The VIN Was CUT OFF This Fraudulent 1969 Dodge Coronet R/T At Barrett Jackson Scottsdale 2024!

[@travisbeavers1203]

I hate the fact that barret Jackson and mecum have turned the hobby into a rich man's game... hell used to we'd ride back roads and find old mopars for like 500 to 1500 bucks...those were the days

[@vincentenk4449]

Yup! Despise the Danny Deeppockets of the world with a passion.

[@AlanSanders-ij2pk]

Bought my first car in 1975. It was a 1970 Road Runner 383 automatic. Paid $700.

[@1982MCI]

Those were the days brother and I said the same thing in another video yesterday. If we only knew or had any idea back then what prices would eventually do then we would all be multi, multi millionaires today from stocking up on Hemi chargers , road runners, cudas for $1,500 each or maybe filled the barn with Copo Camaro’s or LS6 Chevelles and the list is long

[@1982MCI]

@@AlanSanders-ij2pkmy brother had a 69 Road Runner he bought for $500 and I had a 74 Road Runner that I got for $1k and had it on layaway at the local used car lot for almost 6 months while I worked and made the money to get it.

[@destroytheilluminati770]

yeah, only i am a pilot and i have a good friend with a pair of good binoculars and would fly around the countryside looking for cars from the air and mark down their locations to go to look at them at a l8r date

[@bobvalentine8927]

Auctions fucked the hobby up

[@youtubecarspottersguide1]

so true and classic car dealers trying to flip cars

[@rxklastz1770]

​@@youtubecarspottersguide1 Yep they are trying to buy up Facebook corvettes c4s, make them look nice and flip them for $20k

[@JerryM-p2v]

yep it has been a haven for people laundering money. That's why the prices are so high.

[@stevedrinkard7297]

I know of cars sitting because the owner seen one " just like it " on Barrett Jackson yet their car is a slant 6 auto Nothing special and they are trying to compare it to a fully restored Hemi car and if they want to sell they expect Hemi concourse money for it Auctions have ruined the car hobby

[@1982MCI]

@@stevedrinkard7297Amen!!

[@beljames1563]

I don't mind a clone or a rebody, just don't lie to me. Shoddy work is another issue that is a form of lie. In this hobby it boils down to thievery. It makes you hope that one day the thief is fooled in the same measure as he dealt his dishonesty.

[@rocketresto]

Totally

[@1982MCI]

Especially today, it’s getting harder and harder to find authentic, real cars and if you do find one, the prices are out of reach for most of us so clones do make a great alternative BUT, I want to just know the truth!!! We deserve to know what the car was born as and let the decision be ours but problem is guys are so full of greed and want to make the extra $25k and they are willing to pull a bunch of chit to make that easy money!

[@JJj-xratedgt]

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[@smaze1782]

Absolutely agree. Clones are great. Just don’t deceive me about it.

[@claycampbell7901]

After being in the Classic Car Hobby for over 40 years, I have two words, Documentation & Due Diligence. Real cars will always sell for real money !

[@maxfastest]

The best thing about never wanting or needing a rare vehicle or highly sought after one,.is I'll never need to worry about the insane prices or the possibility of a fake. I love my plain Jane Mopars plenty , and they are worth a lot to me just the way they are. Those that play the game should also be able to know a fraud .

[@noberet]

More evidence of what happens when you drop pretty stuff into a room full of really rich guys!

[@rocketresto]

It can be entertaining to watch in person. Kind of consider them all to be giant car shows.

[@vincentenk4449]

Add some Takillya! 🤣🤣🤣🤣 That's EXACTLY what happened to '68-'70 Chargers! Add a Daisy Duke poster & memories of raging teenage testosterone & newfound cash & there ya go!

[@BlindBatG34]

Wow, just wow. I wish I had the money to throw away like that. P.S. My '65 Dart has some fantastic factory paint runs. And I love it.

[@chrismc.4437]

And we thank you for sharing!

[@bradschroeder809]

5 or 6 years ago there was a 70 hemi cuda at a Mecum auction that had the VIN tag and fender tag removed and was being sold on a bill of sale. Story I heard going around then was it had been sold and proven fake, so Mecum bought it back, removed the fake tags and resold it on a bill of sale. In 2011 I saw a nice V code 71 Superbee sell at Mecum Chicago, and immediately afterwards it got discussed on Moparts, and a guy who ran a Superbee registery posted a picture of a VIN tag for that car he had in his archives that had that had a N instead of V on the tag. The car had been bought at the auction by a guy who was a partner in a classic car dealership in NC who had a dubious reputation, to flip, and he supposedly contacted everyone talking about the car on Moparts boasting of suing anyone who ever said anything bad about any car he was selling and saying “he never lost”. The online conversations on that car ended then. Pretty scary all the fraud I hear about, not sure if it’s possible to be 100% safe buying a vintage car now?

[@rocketresto]

Do your homework and if you can’t hire somebody like Me or Dave who you can trust.

[@blackcatpgh13]

Find one that hasn't been on the road since the 70s and was in dry storage. Be prepared to replace everything mechanically. That's where I am. I'd never buy these pieced together bondo wagons that they roll through auctions for investors to drive up prices and were NEVER part of car culture. Screw those people. Another hobby ruined by @ssholes.

[@ScottDLR]

The vin can be wrong too. As a kid in the early 70's, my folks bought a very low mileage 1969 Dart that showed it had a V8 in the vin. Trouble was, it had the original Slant 6. It would cost them an additional $3 for tabs! I wonder if you or Jamie have ever seen something like that?

[@michaelroberts6450]

if you know what it is and you're okay with it bid on it . care less about spoiler accuracy and side marker lights and screws. Glad it was found out before it went across the block. Drive it and enjoy it. It will never be worth what an legitimate authentic car is but it can bring happiness regardless . People who win at auctions do because no one else thinks it's worth is what they do. And if attempted Fraud is committed prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law. The car can still be enjoyed but absolutely needs a safety inspection done because of it's circumstances . Interesting story and educational video good stuff.

[@mattwhaley9917]

Dave has his own channel called MMC Detroit with lots of info on body numbers and dip lines. Dave's books, especially the field guides are great teaching tools for the beginner, novice, and expert Mopar enthusiasts.

[@rocketresto]

Yes he has excellent books that we use here at Rocket on a daily basis. His channel is great too, on our regular rotation of channels we watch.

[@moparmat_1933]

​@rocketresto whst is your regular rotation of channels that we can watch to better inform ourselves? Thanks.

[@tonyb3864]

Always buyer beware. I had a 69 coronet 440 that was a Super Bee clone. I sold it as a clone and the vin represented that and I got 28K for it 4 years ago and it wasnt as nice as the R/T you showed at Barrett. I really think the price wasnt too out of line for a really nice clone. Prices are jacked man. It's crazy.

[@ericfaley9019]

I have copy of a TSB/sales update of Chrysler corp introducing 2 new colors for 1970. FM3 Panther Pink/Mulan Rouge. FJ6 Sassy Grass Green/Green Go. The paperwork is dated January 28th stating that these 2 new colors would be available early February. I have this paperwork as I have a 70 Plymouth Road Runner in FJ6 Sassy Grass Green. My car was built July 1970.

[@scottpetersen8386]

Why can't they leave the vin,pull from auction, and hope he sells it as a clone

[@hickeyskustomresto]

I'd almost prefer the clone as long as advertised as such, makes a great driver.

[@louislepage5111]

I've heard that Galen Govier can be difficult to work with . Nice to hear that someone new has taken over .😊

[@rocketresto]

I’ve known Galen a very long time, he is a very nice guy, but he could just never get his back end caught up with what he promised.

[@louislepage5111]

@@rocketresto ok makes sense

[@bartschwartz9233]

He surrports himself on running the numbers- lotta 500 model turned into R/T clone cars. More out there now than when new

[@mattskustomkreations]

Any collector hobby benefits from competition when it comes to subject matter experts. It’s never good when only one guy holds all the keys.

[@rocketresto]

Agree with that@@mattskustomkreations

[@jackpalczynski7884]

You really have to consider that at BJ auctions, cars very often sell for over the value. $45k really isn't bad at all. It's a clean late 60's Mopar "kit car". A nice driver, I bet. What can you get for $45k these days? A Camry? Now, I'd want to see under the car. If the pans and rockers and all are done well, it's worth that kind of money. Nothing sells for $20k these days. For $20k, you'd get that Mopar all rusty needing a complete interior and engine rebuild.

[@Roosters_Restos]

We have had talks about galen and his crap. Dave is the only respected guy in the field as far as i know. If you build a tribute or clone make it known dont try to sell it as original. As for mecum they got in hot water last year over a car that pulled 200k that was fake.

[@rocketresto]

Yep yep yep

[@MrTonyPiscatelle]

I wouldn't want to buy a fake car but WHO has the authority to remove a vin tag off someone's car? I would think that's going a little bit to far. Just kick the car to the side and call the seller and tell him/her to come and get it. I'd be mad as hell if some body did anything to one of my cars no matter the reason.

[@rocketresto]

The police have the authority.

[@JimSampson-y6v]

VIN REMOVED ! 2 holes in dash where they removed it.... who in their right mind would even touch it ?

[@jimkueneman5489]

We found at least 3 cars with no VIN tags (including this one) there. They all had state assigned VINs. There was a Barracuda as well. I can't remember what the other one was. We thought the same thing at first but had a hard time believing that the state could assign a VIN that fast though :^)

[@alanm2842]

that vin was not cut off. it was removed in a skillful manor.

[@rocketresto]

Yes sir

[@JimSampson-y6v]

Wasn't really any 'skill" involved !

[@SuperBoss351]

​@@rocketrestomecum has every make specialist there with sec of state police checking EVERY car.. that kawasaki you were talking about has original vin on stalk,, the bike was powdercoated and they made him sand it off, he painted it with rattle can thats why they only saw last 2 numbers, that video was overreaction and they should of done their due dillagence..I collect EVERY make, have 400 plus cars, started in late 70s, I know numbers but to all do your homework. They did not just cut it out at bjj. It was done correct. They ran vin and it was not stolen. All the big auction houses pay a ton to have cars verified to their best. Buyers are responsible at end of the day.. good channel but do your homework before commenting. Thx dan

[@rocketresto]

@@SuperBoss351 appreciate the comment but they absolutely did cut the VIN off at BJ. I talked to the BJ Mopar expert and the police cut the VIN off that car at the auction. It was on bring a trailer last year with the VIN.

[@SuperBoss351]

@@rocketresto i saw it on bring a trailer, and I saw what happened to it there. You don't just cut a vin off and stamp a new one in minutes, they need to run car and check it before doing it. I know of an orig paint low mile hemi that sold for giant cash a while ago, guy sat on car for years, had collected on ins and found same color hemi and year and bought that whole car and swapped vins and hidden ones, did it right, but at end of the day it was stolen. The specialist gave it his stamp of approval and was none the wiser. So pointing out one car when you have no ideas the games being played there is scary. Including fake bidding, buying cars back and paying fees to not get hosed on no reserve, and even the owners buying using shills. Its like any business. Make money. At the end of the day no matter how small or big checkbook is, do your homework. You being a Mopar guy should know all numbers like I do you'll see interesting things going on. Most guys selling have no clue what their cars are. Look at cobras, I saw Bill Goldberg pay 400k for a kit car that was crap because he could buy it than a real continue car brought 225k after and a real one did 875k so its ego, wanting a certain car ,ect. Goldberg is smarter of the hobby now but hes bought bogus cars and found out hard way to be careful. Cheers..

[@ClangOfTheHammer]

Tom, My A4/M6S A12 that I’m the 3rd owner, having owned since 04/87, was involved in a wreck 11/71, wrecked on the right front. The 2nd owner purchased the car in 01/72 and repaired the damage on the right corner. In repairing it he replaced the core support top bar and right side core support panel. Now of course its’ body number there doesn’t match. Trunk one does. Original fender tag. I pulled the broadcast sheet out of the back seat back. Galen Govier decode done it 87. Darrin Stanke and I went over date codes on various components in 2019. Original owner still alive. Ex-wife of 2nd owner still alive. That being said what would Wise do with the core support number missing? No, I’m not looking to sell anyway but curious if my children would run it through someplace like BJ what would happen with Dave Wise “expertise”

[@rocketresto]

That is an excellent question, I will ask Dave and get back to you.

[@mattsams9325]

It would be a cold day in hell before I would let them remove the VIN on a car

[@rocketresto]

Don't disagree but if the state police is sitting there what are you going to do?@@mattsams9325

[@rocketresto]

@@chriscraft4236 they absolutely do have the authority and the state police are the ones who cut the VIN off this car.

[@rocketresto]

After posting the video I talked to Dave Wise about it and he said the VIN was cut off by the police while he was watching.@@chriscraft4236

[@pcbullets8726]

Great info in this video. You have to wonder how much of this has happened over the years. Unfortunately, there are dishonest people who take advantage of someone that wants a classic car like this and know that the buyer will only see the R/T badges. It's good to see there are auction places at least making an attempt to do the right thing, most people just don't know what to look for.

[@rocketresto]

Happens way too much.

[@carebear2272]

Just find a base model and then you don’t have to worry about it, same look, do what you want with it. My friend who runs a resto shop goes to this auction every year and say he finds cars that are suspect. Maybe making but he has a nose for fresh paint and condo smell. He had a customer buy a Camaro RS/SS convertible that was legit from Barrett Jackson, and looked so shiny and new. He inspected it at the shop and found it was done horribly wrong with poor patch panels, body filler over rust and had to redo almost every body panel on the car including trunk and floor boards. He said these auctions make it very difficult for you or anybody to truly inspect theses cars and he said to just steer clear of these auctions unless you looking for a high dollar car from a reputable collection.

[@carebear2272]

Bad spelling and grammar apologies he has a nose for fresh paint and body filller condo I mean lol

[@antoninoorfano8187]

I asked a seller who was 2000miles away for a photo of the ID plate,the seller said piss off basically. If i am going to pay big money, i should be able to get the ID plate photo .

[@kardeef33317]

Bought a 69 torino with factory disc brake,302 in 87 for 200.00 . One of the best cars I ever owned. Can't believe what they go for now though.

[@larryroberts4984]

I went to barrett Jackson in Scottsdale 2013 and was amused at what most of the cars were. They had some that were real deal but for most part clones of all kinds.

[@linkedup7346]

reply to beljames, yes Baret and Mecum have become a rich man's game. The hobby of cars is diminishing...

[@chrismc.4437]

One glaring detail i notice right off the bat is the generic R/T stripe. The font is clearly incorrect.

[@rocketresto]

Whole car is that way.

[@chrismc.4437]

Hard to believe it went unnoticed.

[@richardrice8076]

Looking at the 3 tail light back I believe this car started out as a Coronet 500.

[@chrismc.4437]

​@@richardrice8076 That's one aspect that's actually correct for a 69 R/T

[@moparsa2b]

If body numbers don’t match, the police can search the numbers and tell what the body is. Just because the title didn’t match doesn’t mean the car is not an RT. Look up the real VIN and sell it as the factory did. if its a RT clone thats ok as long as the buyer knows that.

[@user-gl9iz1bp1r]

Live in Sun City, AZ. Had to get a State provided VIN for my golf cart (they are legal in Sun City). The AZ DOT personnel were great to work with. But buyer beware - don't mess with AZ.

[@488ci]

If that car had been totally rebuilt with all new metal and little body filler, then it might not that bad of a deal if you're going to dive it around.

[@autonomous_collective]

Its worth 45k. Put the correct vin on it and call it a RestoMod.

[@rocketresto]

Couldn’t disagree more. Car is tainted now and it shouldn’t get coronet RT money.

[@moparsa2b]

its worth what someone will pay for it. Not sure why you say its only worth 15 or 20k? It cost the same amount to restore a clone that it would a real RT. Are you saying you will restore a non RT for half price, I think not.

[@rocketresto]

@@moparsa2bit’s worth what a base coronet 440 would be worth and that isn’t near what that car sold for. Also you say it’s worth what the market says - well that was not a fair market. Guarantee the winning bidder didn’t know about he vin issue or they wouldn’t have bid that.

[@moparsa2b]

@@rocketresto if Barrett cut the Vin # off and sold it as an RT knowing it was not then they are at fault. Very poor judgement….

[@richardrice8076]

It's not a resto mod it's a ( poorly executed) clone.

[@jeremydiamond8824]

Love the vlog and the informative info you give us thank you soo much! Was wondering did you have Mike Volts as a partner in the past and have you heard from him ? I live in Vegas and I knew he has or at least had a fiancé ( can’tremember her name?)living in Tacoma Washington there close to ya .

[@rocketresto]

Yes used to be business partners with Mike but I bought him out years ago and am sole owner of Rocket Restorations now.

[@rustyrodknocker]

There is no reason to cut off the vin. It goes with the car. If someone dummys one up like an R/T it is still the same car its just a clone. Big deal. If the vinyl does not match the rest of the body numbers that's a different deal.

[@Trex1268]

If this car was advertised as a tribute, would they have cut the vin off?

[@rocketresto]

That is a great question. Believe the answer is yes. I’ll ask Dave Wise about it.

[@harryjohnson8605]

Where do Mark Worman fit in. He has a extensive knowledge of mopars

[@jordanburns5807]

The bonded title is has no devalue of the car if anything it should help the next buyer it shows car is transferrable. If this car sold at mecum had the old vin and the new buyer gets inspected and fails how would that go over. Good job Barrett making it right. Mecum is shady

[@billyeichler176]

Keep doing the auction info it's great

[@glengarbera7367]

Man I didn't know that numbers matching was such a big deal.

[@jclements65]

Your knowledge is incredible. Great video, I just subscribed

[@rocketresto]

Thanks for watching!

[@DieselSgrass]

That Coronet has been sold like 5 times in 9 years. Money hasnt moved much on it. The bring a trailer fender tag was black too. So that is interesting to me too. If someone stole the vin tag in window, would thay constitute it getting a new state assigned number?

[@rocketresto]

Saw the tag was black in the bat auction, they just have repainted it.

[@RayEC70]

I would love to see a video on secret VIN tag locations. I wish I still had the fender tag for my car but it was lost many years ago.

[@rocketresto]

We will probably do one soon. 68 and 69 are very different.

[@moparsa2b]

there are no secret VIN tags, in later years some body panels were stamped in key locations with partial vin numbers and the vin was added to tge fender tags.

[@chrismc.4437]

Upper cowl, trunk lip , rad support

[@RayEC70]

Feel free to use my car since it is original and a 68 if you wish in a video

[@rocketresto]

1969 and up Mopars have the last 8 of the VIN stamped in two places on the car@@moparsa2b

[@garymckee8857]

69 R/T was a beautiful designed vehicle.

[@destroytheilluminati770]

A family friend bought a chevelle a couple years ago From Mecum, once he got it home and put it on a lift, he found out it wasn't a rust free straight car like they claimed, lots of shitty patch jobs and even spray foam in a couple areas, 60,000 bucks down the tubes, maybe worth 20,000 at most

[@rocketresto]

Hear a lot of stories like this.

[@roberthirshfield3571]

More then likely that car will go over seas

[@jumpinjojo]

*Than

[@Bradydog-in7ut]

Tom; When you speak of “body numbers” are you speaking of numbers that may be stamped on the inside of the fenders or rear quarters? What if the quarters and fenders were swapped out because of rust/body damage? Does this mean the car is no longer what the vin states? Are their numbers stamped in areas that are more likely to stay the years like frame rails ect… Very interesting topic!

[@rocketresto]

Cars have many different spots for body numbers, in the case of this car it was on the core support and the trunk rail. If they have been altered yes it is a problem unless you have a lot of documentation to back up why they are changed. Those numbers need to be saved if for example you are doing quarter panels.

[@vernonslone8627]

If the title and VIN matched why would they remove the VIN tag even if the dash had been replaced I would want to see the title that this car has...

[@rocketresto]

Because the body numbers didn’t match, somebody swapped the VIN onto this chassis which is illegal.

[@toddbell3419]

This story seems about as solid as a 79 dodge Aspen stored behind a barn in northern Wisconsin. The vin and color are as common knowledge to identify as looking to see if it has a windshield and tires and you were the only one to catch it!!! I don't think I have ever met anyone (car people) that would even care about the vin tag or the title for that matter. $40k sounds like you slept on one hell of a deal and really sawed logs considering it comes with a BILL OF SALE!!!

[@Bradydog-in7ut]

I find this topic very interesting! Say the Vin tag plates/ proteco-playes under the engine match but 25% of the car has been replaced with repro parts….Is this really the same car as on the tag? Chrysler didn’t make it with knock-off Chinese parts….50% replaced? Where does the line lie? To be a real Dodge Coronet R/T shouldn’t it have to retain its parts as built?What does the Vin/ protecto plates matter if the engine and body are mostly repo parts??

[@rocketresto]

Don’t think it’s a certain percentage, to me the car needs to have its original vin tag and all the body numbers intact. To save these cars you sometimes have to replace a lot of metal and that’s ok. What’s not ok is just moving the VIN to a clean car and calling it good.

[@Bradydog-in7ut]

Thx Tom!

[@davidbisnette7673]

Interesting video, thanks for the info

[@joemazzola7387]

How would they cut the dashboard vin tag out ? It looks like the windshield has to be removed first and I think that's on purpose

[@rocketresto]

You can still see the one vin rivet under the dash. They can get a cutter in there even with the windshield in.

[@BeatersRus]

part of the problem is the people in the hobby itself,the big money guys, who will buy a 318 charger and have charger r/t tags swapped on and then sell the car as original. im a member of a mopar forum where years ago it would have been a Bad thing to do swaps. you would have gotten the convo shut right down. now,the same people who run and mod that site,will Promote vin swapping, because it " saved the original car " is their excuse. the real reason is because a 69 r/t charger is worth a helluva lot more than a 318 charger. they dont Care about defrauding others,its all about the money. ps,i still have Vin pics of a 318 charger ON the car itself and of the New vin tags that Converted it to a 70 440 six pack car. where do you think that is now ??

[@kevinhuber8723]

The "hobby" has gotten completely off the rails. From my memory, there were only 5 Moulon Rouge AAR Cuda's made total. It was an extremely low number. Galen? Dude is more fun than an all night dentist.

[@79tazman]

That car is a great parts car you can get lot's of value out of that car by parting it out

[@JamesWilson-bw5uq]

A clone is fine but don't bullshit people. A well built clone will bring good money.

[@tomd7861]

Lol that rear stripe

[@uo2230]

A vid of secret VINs would be great.

[@rocketresto]

Will do one soon. Want to cover several cars because it does change.

[@NewhouseofSpeed]

Do you think the fender tag was a fake as well?

[@rocketresto]

It looks real to me but with all the numbers issues I doubt it came from the factory on that body.

[@NewhouseofSpeed]

Gotcha. I enjoy your videos keep ‘em coming.

[@notintohandles]

Add up the total value of the parts that could be sold. I bet it's close to the sale price.

[@kenjohnson3641]

Cool info

[@TheSampson7777]

R/t Font on the bumblebee stripe is not correct either multiple red flags nice job!

[@rocketresto]

Plenty to pick apart on this one.

[@ldnwholesale8552]

Again,, most of these 'restored' cars even if 100% original will often not have correct screws, paintouts & etc. In this case they are 55 years old. Been modded, thrashed and abused and also ofcourse suffered accident damage and average repairs [done under insurance] In some cases 'reshelled as the original was rusted out or suffered accident damage. Legal? No but a reason

[@joshuajesch7154]

Is it possible to find out then if it is hot/stolen?

[@rocketresto]

I find local law enforcement and have them run the vin if I think it’s fishy.

[@thomasdeangelo1655]

Rich people's problems.

[@capricetony]

Folks have to do their own diligence also, plenty of people with more money than common sense. Everything is sold one day, buy it once buy it right.

[@markg7030]

It should be illegal to sell any car anywhere without a VIN tag no excusses like" VIN is in transit".

[@kanasf3916]

So how does it gets registered in the state?

[@rocketresto]

It is still a legally registered car in the state of Arizona, just has an “assigned” vin now on the door jamb that does not match the vin that was on the car.

[@steves9905]

so AZ State Police has jurisdiction over cars titled in another state? They can immediately assign an AZ VIN to a car that was shipped in to the auction? The BAT auction shows Nebraska plates. Very interesting topic.

[@steves9905]

also its surprising that the car went over the block with the AZ VIN and someone STILL paid that kind of money

[@rocketresto]

They have jurisdiction when it is in Arizona. Doesn’t matter what state that it came out of they have jurisdiction over a car that is in the state of Arizona being sold by a dealer (in this case Barrett Jackson). I’m not a lawyer but I believe since Barrett is the dealer and they have the title in their possession then yes they can do this.

[@rocketresto]

In the past they have pulled cars like this, in this case the owner probably gave it to go ahead. Worked out for the seller, not so much for the buyer.

[@moparsa2b]

depends on the state. I bought a car off of ebay was a fake rebody. Ebay could care less and the state of Virginia said they wouldn’t touch it since it came from NY….

[@moparsa2b]

@@rocketresto Barrett Jaskson is not a dealer, they are an Auction company. They sell the car for the owner and get paid for the service. They don’t buy your car then hope to sell it at a profit…

[@MrTommyboy68]

I think it would be a BAD IDEA for you to do a video showing the "hidden vin's". This would just be another way for the scammers to rip off unsuspecting rube.

[@rocketresto]

A lot of people feel the way you do. I tend to side with the more knowledge is power side of things. If this all stays secret then you have to rely on experts who may or not be totally honest with you. To me the more people who know about this kind of thing the better. The scammers will always be able to do that and I don’t think me posting a video about it is going to move the needle much.

[@jumpinjojo]

So the buyer spent $45k on a clone. Not a big deal, as long as he’s aware of it. I would drive a 69 Satellite dressed up as a Road Runner. To each his own.

[@davidzdziarek-zl8cu]

Seeing all of this, I'll stick to my Matchbox and Hot Wheels muscle and classic cars.

[@Grandadsjunk]

Replica cars are ok as long as marketing states it here you find Replica falcon gt ho but it's usually mentioned so buyers know what they are getting rather than trying to sell as genuine

[@rocketresto]

Every replica becomes real over time.

[@klapaucius77]

Why doesn't Barrett tell people the vin issue when they bring the car across the stage? Or do they and I missed that part?

[@rocketresto]

They do but use code words to make it not sound like that. They said the car has a “bonded” title going over but people didn’t know what that meant.

[@jimkueneman5489]

A VIN issue is not what that means necessarily.. Bonded in Az means the state has no documentation for the true owner of the car. You have to buy insurance and get a bonded title in that case. This is strictly to cover the states butt if the real owner steps up after they give another person documentation (title) as the owner. After 3 years the title will drop back to a normal title and it is no longer bonded. This is common for those of us dragging abandon cars out of the desert to restore.@@rocketresto

[@GailUrge-vq6qn]

Yep, Barrett Jackson can not only sell a.nice car but can also verify it's a fake. Let the buyer and seller beware.

[@James-r8y4o]

That just means it was stolen along time ago,, probably when it was a couple years old,, can't remember but only certain states put it back on the door frame ,,for that reason

[@rocketresto]

Very possible.

[@JALPontiact44]

I was at BJ, noticed a new term to me. SPECON? what is that??

[@michaeladamo6279]

How about the auction fees associated with the sale I think it’s like 10% not positive about that

[@MegaTroyhamilton]

If you make a clone be honest about it. I had a satellite that everyone thought it was a road runner. I told them and told them.

[@JamesWilson-bw5uq]

Yes beacon has destroyed old muscle carinttegrity. Never again can you find an old muscle car in the wood or in an old barn Marcum has shit all over the muscle car hobby.

[@garymckee63]

The spoiler is hideous and look at the rust around the inside of the windshield.

[@THROTTLEPOWER]

👍👍

[@Mash333]

The motorcycle was a fake car. Ok.

[@kidnplaye4630]

I owned over 400 cars I have never or will never buy a car at auction its a joke

[@johndillinger8482]

its all about money launderring. quality or authenticity of car is meaningless at these auctions.

[@brly9243]

Get Mark Worman if you want to know...

[@mikedaugharty5544]

Well thank you for the great information there Tom that was nice to understand what really goes on with big money the deceit will go on and they will get caught at it eventually although so sad for the person that gets beat up on the other end from what I have been told that that Barrett Jackson is basically a alcohol drug auction probably a whole slew of hookers too I am not of that breed but I am a gearhead at the basics of me.. Love the old muscle cars mopars preferably but all are very nice love the nostalgia grew up in the 60s and 70s seeing these running around you could tell this engine by the noise it made those were the days I'm glad I got what I got looking at all the stuff that gets sold to restore years back wouldn't even touched it nowadays they spend millions on them

[@donniewhite4892]

It's nothing but a money game

[@carebear2272]

Doesn’t make sense, a stolen clone? The only reason I can see is a stolen car or it had a different dash frame put in it from a different B body car other then a coronet? Seems it would be worth more even as a clown car with the vin# left in it.

[@rolandgard6984]

Wasted a lot of good parts to make a clone. Buyer still paid more than what it was worth.

[@rocketresto]

Even if it didn’t have the vin issues that was a lot for it.

[@chuckeecheese162]

I don’t know how you could buy a vehicle from any of them without being in person. When I look at a car I get a feel for it. That’s worth something. Photos or a proxy perspective won’t add that value for me.

[@rocketresto]

Absolutely.

[@TOWNCARBUBBA87]

Mopar Performance 👍

[@maxsav007]

Your telling me you could build that car for 15 grand Also, as usual, UT way over reacted, didnt wait for facts, that bike at Mecum ended up being real. And he never followed up on it.

[@markjohnson1279]

i have a 1973 Dodge Dart Swinger 2 dr 340 not stock i live in Hagerstown md and i asking $20,000 or best offer

[@YernBelfus400]

"Rebody" is just a cutesy way of saying "cloned", and cloning a car is a felony.

[@MarvinHartmann452]

Well, these cars are bought by people who know nothing about them, rich kids and investors, so it's normal that you will find a fake one from time to time. Working class people were pushed out of the hobby years ago. So I won't cry because some rich kid got screwed buying a fake. But I might point and laugh, though.

[@joelafives]

Barrett is always too high

[@davidronan1677]

It should've sold for less than half of that fools and there money

[@jumpinjojo]

*Their

[@moochythecat3435]

Most restored cars are as phony as Bitcoin, Sasquatch, the Tooth Fairy, and Santa Clause...

[@youtubecarspottersguide1]

vin codes ,fender tags ,broadcast sheet, window stickers , know the numbers , gm cars are hard to document , ford door tags are easer ,as how can the police do anything without warrants 4th amendment violation