The Vinland Mystery

[@Argothedragon]

“Far, far to the west, across the sea, there’s a land called Vinland. It has lush green plains and trees bearing countless fruit. It’s warm and fertile. It’s a faraway land without slave traders and without war.”

[@jofer.f8202]

ahh i know these refrence

[@phjsher]

wait im on the first episode, does the guy that proclaims himself as the king of norway conquer vinland?

[@420darthbong]

@@phjsher that show is not historically accurate at all. Harald Fine Hair drove off a lot of Norse families from Denmark and Sweden. The people who left settled in Greenland and Iceland, those are the people who found North America. Harald and his son, Erik Bloodaxe, were concentrated on keeping the Jarls in line and plundering Britannia.

[@okami9634]

@@jofer.f8202 what's the reference?

[@jofer.f8202]

@@okami9634 Vinland Saga

[@hippiedachshunds1632]

The Ingstads were remarkable, brilliant people. I wish I could have spent a day with them.

[@awesomemantm2000]

Wow. One of the great mysteries of humanity was solved by the sagas written so long ago, coupled with a researcher's curiosity

[@DUCKSAREEVILLLLLLLL]

Now they're saying that the wine grapes of Vinland may have been gooseberries. Gooseberry wine is better than nothing. From USA, Cheers to the Ingstads of Norway for setting history straight in 1968. The Ingstads have changed North American history.

[@m____w____6981]

Gooseberries were brought to NFLD by English settlers.

[@rakovsky3901]

This is video is a good piece of history, and the archaeologists here proved conclusively that the Vikings settled at least in Newfoundland. One curious aspect is that these particular archaeologists considered that they were better able to find the site by treating the word Vinland as referring to meadows rather than to grapes/wine, which did not grow at that site. However, pointing to a writing from the same era as the Viking settlement, the Aeon article notes that Adam of Bremen wrote: "In this great ocean, many have found still another island, which is called Vinland, since there grow wild grapes." - Adam of Bremen, Gesta Hammaburgensis ecclesiae pontificum (c1070)" It would be especially helpful if researchers on Vinland listed the directions to VInland in the Sagas and then drew their own fresh charts of the coordinates in the Sagas- Eric the Red's Saga and the Greenlanders' Saga. I tried to do this myself, and will give my two threads in the next Reply.

[@GridironVideos]

I'm currently studying this too! I would love to here what you discovered.

[@DUCKSAREEVILLLLLLLL]

The "wild grapes" could have been gooseberries, Humans could have made wine from gooseberries one thousand years ago.

[@m____w____6981]

​@@DUCKSAREEVILLLLLLLL, Gooseberries brought to this region by English settlers. They are not native to the island.

[@kyarimaresuki]

I wasn't so sure about this when it started but then fascinated--these are the people who found the L'Anse Aux Meadows site! It was neat to hear about it from them and to see footage from their time there.

[@bosse641]

Read Ingstad's books. ...great read. One of my favorite authors.

[@JeronimoAvelarFilho]

Great documentary, the works of this couple of explorers and archaeologists are remarkable !

[@kevwhufc8640]

What an amazing thing to find as an archaeologist , brilliant

[@tteedghihh]

People calling this into question: look at the Maine penny. Why would viking currency be in North America if they never made it there. Then there's the viking settlement discovered. Derp Derp.

[@Eddythebeast666]

I have a 2nd century Roman coin if i lost it & someone else found it it would NOT mean Romans were here.

[@eoinh8425]

@@Eddythebeast666 "I had a norse settlement in my pocket, if i lost it and someone else found it then it didn't mean the norse were there". What about the Norse sagas that match the settlement as well?

[@Eddythebeast666]

@@eoinh8425 Settlements are an entirely different thing from Out-Of-Place Artifacts. I was responding to a post about a single coin & did not question the work of archaeological experts. www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1983/10/10/archeologists-examining-new-evidence-of-a-chinese-columbus/5676f68d-e659-4f72-9ac4-e7474072878a/?noredirect=on&.c887fa0af20f

[@kevwhufc8640]

@@Eddythebeast666 you make a very good point, we had an old lady bring in a box of mixed coins and other artifacts, Mostly Roman, some Saxon and quite a few from the following centuries, medieval, Tudor etc. Because they were things her husband brought home occasionally, and she wasn't interested so didn't have a clue what they were of where he found them ( she brought them to the museum because all she knew was they were old , tests all she could remember him going on about) because she had no log book as to where they were found , they were just a bunch of nice coins , some even worth quite a lot of money, We could name date etc each coin but that's all , Because wd had no find spot we had no important information , where they came from , without knowing that they're meaningless as far as archaeologists are concerned. They need to be found in context , their original places otherwise the information is gone.

[@EdinburghFive]

The archaeology of the site is somewhat suspect as the archaeological reports were either never finished or have been lost. The few records that do exist, I understand, do not provide any data supporting the penny actually being found in situ. All very convenient.

[@carriad11]

There is still so much to find! The sagas hint at several places. Perhaps further south but perhaps not so far at all!

[@danestolthed6383]

The Norse discovered America 500 years before Columbus!

[@CCRoxtar]

Yet the Norse couldn't survive as long in the Americas as Columbus' generation (& subsequent generations) of Europeans.

[@eoinh8425]

@@CCRoxtar Because.... they were 500 years behind in technology? The spanish had the numbers, funding, and tech to succeed, and even then they relied on native allies and disease for much of their succeed.m

[@sharysegift5061]

Very true

[@Cinepobrefilmfestival]

there was no America back then , only shitty weather

[@Matheus-mw4rm]

I cant believe , sumerians , egypt , phoenicians , greek , romans , persian , india empires , chinese dynasties HAVE been to PUSSIE and dont have courage to travel in strait LINE whit big ships Like BIRRENEs Just to PROFF who exist good LANDS Far HERCULES STRAIT , what a Shame for ALL these ancient PUSSY people , Just Brave vikings did this travel far and gain GLORY and eternity in history !

[@shakkattack]

Brilliant ! Amazing tough people ! How long would I last ? , back then ! , days i expect ! , dedicated man and wife team for sure , thankyou sincerely Coll 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🇬🇧

[@davidvignola7060]

Vinland is also known as norumbega by the natives. I myself am mikmaq and we integrated with the templar vikings in 900-1100s. The mikmaq hold some of the most templar bloodlines in the world. As we integrated with them to the extent of being indistinguishable from each other.

[@garychynne1377]

to much is made of the word grape. newfie is covered with wild berries. tons of blue berries as blue as grapes. these north men never saw a grape in there lives. green land was not green and grapes weren't grapes. thank yew gare

[@yveslaflute9228]

You're a clown, the sides of the St-Laurent and Outaouais were only climbing vines. Come over i make you dink the wine.

[@oldmanfromscenetwentyfour8164]

They invaded Europe, they've seen grapes.

[@hagsmunamadurinn]

yeah, but there was a German from Bremen with them that attested that it were grapes that were found akin to the ones he knew of from back home in central Europe.

[@ttaass1976]

Great video! I find the history of viking exploration very interesting.

[@m____w____6981]

Amazing video, such remarkable history. Also so much to learn about climate from these old maps of the coast if Greenland.

[@l.a.mouland1051]

The wild grapes they were talking about were probably blueberries ,Newfoundland is covered in them

[@yveslaflute9228]

And the shores are covered with REAL GRAPES. Consider being a fool?

[@l.a.mouland1051]

@@yveslaflute9228 ever been knocked out for being a rude prick?

[@dibaldgyfm9933]

@L. a. Mouland:: that is also my thought. The biggest mysyery is how they navigated, and Ingstadt's idea is good: they followed coastlines. But the must also have been able to cross from Norway t Iceland Greenland -- also dangerous because of icebergs.

[@Christopherbarett]

Norway is covered with blueberry bushes just like Newfoundland. So it must have been something else

[@whatinwt]

Or they were grapes as they are known to be cultivated in north america

[@weebthatlifts5750]

Wait wait wait isn’t this basically major Vinland saga spoilers

[@weebthatlifts5750]

I’m here to understand the lore of Vinland saga

[@jaapongeveer6203]

Erik Raude named the land he settled Greenland to make it appealing for other settlers. Would it not be logical that the same idea was used to entice others to go to the new discovery by calling it Vinland? Is it not odd that nothing else was discovered further south where most of the coast is settled today? Because LAM was Vinland.

[@simontenkate9601]

Ja, is logisch, reclame om het aantrekkelijk te maken. In werkelijkheid is IJsland Vuurland (vulkanen, geysers) en Groenland is IJsland (sneeuw en ijs). Een mogelijke verklaring voor Vinland is grazig land, graasland ( voor vee). Vinland in oud zweeds is "betesland". Net als in het fries: beetse. En dat is graasland.

[@rickmiles5622]

the word Vin is a old nordic word for meadow! hence meadow land!

[@jonestrm252]

Yes, but it was not used as a prefix. When referring to a meadow it was always as an ending, as Bjørgvin - present day Bergen. Using Vin as prefix, it clearly refers to the land of wine, not meadows. Now they've found another settlement southwest on New Foundland. With several settlements on the North American east coast, it is less likely that Ingstad found Leifsbuene. I bet it was further south, probably Boston, Massachusetts

[@yveslaflute9228]

Vin is vines with grapes, the shores were covered with them, I made wine too, come drink some.

[@hagsmunamadurinn]

Vin - perhaps tangentially/marginally at best if you strech it but from the context of the historical text they were not talking about medows but grapes and Vín as in Whine - the drink made of out of grapes.

[@samuelmaffioli1833]

I'd more readily believe it to be located in Nova Scotia or New Brunswick before leaping to Massachusetts; wild grapes grow in Nova Scotia and New Brunswick as well as butternuts, which were found littered at the site of L'Anse aux Meadows while not being native to Newfoundland. So in conclusion the Norse undoubtedly probably did go south, but Massachusetts? Maybe. Never underestimate the Vikings. @@jonestrm252

[@simontenkate9601]

@rick miles. You are right. In older swedish vinland = " betesland" (as also in frisian), which literally means grazing land.

[@donaldmichaellumsden2714]

Lief Ericson was in South western Nova Scotia , that is proven to be true , if he sailed to Boston from there he might have found grapes , grapes are grown in Nova Scotia also , but I dont believe they are native to the region .We have a thriveing wine inddusty in Nova Sotia . So it IS warm enough to grow grapes there . There is an ocean current that travels fron Cape Beton Nova Scotia all the way to Boston , it is believed that Lief Ericson followed this current . Nova Scotia may have been the legendary Vinland .

[@EdinburghFive]

Since when was "Lief Ericson was in South western Nova Scotia , that is proven to be true"?

[@EdinburghFive]

"There is an ocean current that travels fron Cape Beton Nova Scotia all the way to Boston " was not the case. The current (Gulf Stream ) runs north, northeast.

[@donaldmichaellumsden2714]

@@EdinburghFive Ever hear of the Runic stone ? Probably not, but I assure you it exsists . I have seen the insription with my own eyes, please do not talk about things you know nothing about , You are embaressing yourself ( ln public) ! This is NOT a wind current , it is an ocean current . About 20 yr ago some Norwigen people travelled this current in a long boat to see if it were true . IT IS

[@EdinburghFive]

Hey@@donaldmichaellumsden2714 - You need to go back and read what I wrote. I didn't say Ericson did not make it to Nova Scotia , I suggested it has not been proven that he or any other Norse made it here. I am familiar with what you call "the Runic stone". You should be more specific as there are a number of runic stones. More specifically you mean the Yarmouth Runic Stone. The stone's inscription has never been proven to be Norse. There have been a number of other hairbrained ideas as to its origins. These random, so called artifacts, that have been found in various places in North America, are all fraught with problems of authenticity.

[@donaldmichaellumsden2714]

@@EdinburghFive You embaressed yourself and now you try to cover it up . Just STOP

[@TheHigherCraft]

Hi would it be possible for me to have permission to sample some of Dr. Ingstads dialogue in this video for my bands new music release? Thanks I await to hear a reply.

[@TheHigherCraft]

@NuttyBuddy I respectfully got permission from the family. Many thanks.

[@garyclothier9914]

VINE LAND NFLD, Newfoundland has the most Vine grown edible berries anywhere in North America

[@AndrewC.McPherson-xf5zw]

I love Canada and the NFB.

[@kennethworde862]

explain the runes in MN and other places in America, just move down the ST Lawrence, they were traders, Ivory copper furs fish and such

[@perfectprefect15]

Srsly I've seen the runes at heavener Oklahoma and they've been dated

[@EdinburghFive]

Yes, but they could acquire all the furs, ivory, etc., they wanted on the northern coast, not thousands of miles inland. They were traders, not fools.

[@Scullex]

This is really interesting. Kinda stinks that the natives and the Vikings couldn't come to an understanding, but per usual, cultural religious and ritual differences breed extreme distrust

[@Pokefan3332]

Was it not more that the Vikings pulled out from what they called Vinland?

[@samuelmaffioli1833]

The Vikings withdrew from Vinland mostly due to the decline of their Greenland colonies, which were abandoned following the Little Ice Age of the 1300s, which decimated crops and made for an even more treacherous Atlantic Ocean. This, coupled with the decline of the walrus ivory economy in the 1400s forced the Norse to retreat from Vinland to Greenland, and from Greenland to Iceland. @@Pokefan3332

[@domshelley9520]

I declare White bay Newfoundland in particular Sop's Arm... Vinland. Grapes and all. Check it out.

[@crhettbuttler1]

Does anyone know what happened to the Norsement settlement here then? I did a quick search but nothing much comes up

[@joshuameadus7861]

It just wasn't worth the trouble. The fishing grounds where being used by the local Beothuck tribes, and the nordlings didn't have enough warrior's to succesfully fight them for the land, so they left.

[@EdinburghFive]

Its also a very long way from Greenland and Iceland. It nearly as far from the Greenland Norse settlements to L'anse aux Meadows, as its from Iceland to the Greenland settlements.

[@asura9683]

who is here because of vinland saga anime

[@niceaudiokevin3921]

*Me, lol*

[@nekogentia]

story of thorfinn

[@czeonussamer8716]

Me HAHAHA

[@uploadingavideoofliamsface988]

Nah I'm here because of assassin's creed Valhalla

[@Alarix246]

But... they surely must have known that there is another land next to Greenland by measuring the tide! The high tide next to an ocean is much higher than the high tide on the shore which is two days trip across the sea. Or not?

[@immortalharvester5848]

There is an anime about it

[@symuelleleonessavagecomedy1812]

Vinland Saga

[@tedsmith6137]

Like most of these discoveries, it somewhat overlooks the point that North America wasn't lost at all, the native Americans who had been there for 15,000+ years knew all about it.

[@samuelmaffioli1833]

Exactly; the Norse were quite simply the first Europeans to discover North America.

[@AndrewC.McPherson-xf5zw]

Used to borrow 16 mm film from St John's Library and watch on projector. Better in winter you could open window. Got hot.

[@Mr.56Goldtop]

And 34 years later, we still don't know where the place of the wild grapes is.

[@magnusorn7313]

vin means meadow

[@yveslaflute9228]

I know I made 3 barrels of wine with them. Gee.

[@allendiscaya1970]

Vinland saga brought me here

[@dorianphilotheates3769]

22:22 - Ha! I ‘piggy-back’ the experts that come to my archaeological site in exactly the same way. 🙂

[@gatheringleaves]

Why does watching this remind me of Bjork and Sigur Ros

[@TheEddymonster13]

Infinite Sky Iceland?. Iceland reminds me Björk all the time.

[@miaz7426]

I am learning this

[@supernautacus]

the Island of Martha's Vineyard...is Vinland.

[@riggs20]

The Vikings were brutal. The Inuits must have been incredible warriors to have kicked them out!

[@IslenoGutierrez]

The Norsemen were outnumbered. That’s why they left.

[@clintonmiller1698]

Inuit warrior? Now that is funny. Lmao.

[@Scullex]

@@clintonmiller1698 I mean, this is a year old but any person could fight with a warrior spirit, its laughable that you'd see these words as laughable

[@noi9982]

The vikings actually won all their battles with the natives, sometimes it just turned out pyrrhic and therefore they deemed the colonization of Vinland to be not worth it. Although I’m certain they could have done it if they were ambitious enough and knew what the future payoff was.

[@samuelmaffioli1833]

They most especially left Vinland following the decline of their Greenland colonies, mostly due to the Black Plague, the Little Ice Age of the 1300s, and the fall of the walrus ivory market in the 1400s.@@noi9982

[@runicbladek5541]

No spoiler tag?

[@TheGoldenEmperor]

Anyone here from Vinland Saga?

[@nickrich56]

Some say the Romans did the same type of voyages a thousand years earlier, but no baths or villas found yet !

[@AndrewTheMandrew531]

nickrich56 because the theory is bullshit

[@clintonmiller1698]

No one should be surprised IF the Romans or even the Greeks and Ancient Egyptians voyaged to America. Hell, the Celts could have made the crossing. The real question is why it took so damn long. Afterall, the Americas stretch from pole to pole. You can't miss them. Just sail west. Lmao.

[@eoinh8425]

@@clintonmiller1698 "Just sail west towards a continent you didnt know existed, which would take months at sea". The shallow draft ships that the Romans used, hell even the celts were unlikely to make the trip, not to mention their sub par navigation skills.

[@CHURRNOBYL]

well I'm a vinlander instead of a newfie great

[@yveslaflute9228]

The vines dont grow inland, only on the shores.

[@leewellman3369]

Why would they follow the coast of Labrador the cross the straight to Newfoundland and not continue into Quebec lower north shore

[@EdinburghFive]

Explorers explore. As you sail down the Labrador coast and enter the Strait of Belle Isle, Newfoundland is visible on the port side. Also researchers believe the Norse did explore the Gulf of St Lawrence.

[@AndrewC.McPherson-xf5zw]

I love Nfld. Lucky to grow up there. Made me a man for sure. Knowledge plus respect. No racism but some Catholic/ Protestant bullshit. No public schools. WHO DO YA LOVE?

[@AndrewC.McPherson-xf5zw]

I had to defend myself on a few occasions as a 12 yr old unaware that going to a Catholic School could be trouble.. I went to public schools in Canada.wae no prob there. I had to grow up fast and I was w small guy until 18. Forced to be mean. Unreal.

[@AndrewC.McPherson-xf5zw]

NFB is a cherished history of Canada.

[@AndrewC.McPherson-xf5zw]

❤

[@AndrewC.McPherson-xf5zw]

I love Nfld. From the mountains in the western Highlands, through massive woodlands in Central and the history of the Avalon. French St. Pierre as well.

[@빙고100]

Something to consider: why is it that America was "discovered" but England was not? They were both encroached in same fashion...arrived uninvited, that is.

[@MrThyten]

hold up this isnt the anime

[@corporalclegg9640]

Vinland more than likely was any where between Maine and Massachusetts

[@gatheringleaves]

What evidence do you have to back up that absurd claim?

[@eoinh8425]

It was in Canada? They moved beyond Greenland and hit land.

[@yveslaflute9228]

Vinland was where the vines grew, shores of St=Laurent and attributes. Come over I make you drink wive from the shores of the Outaouais.

[@ddr1071]

Does anyone watch vikings?this couple's surname is ingstad and so is lagertha's when she first comes to ragnar's village.she poses as a "earl ingstad"???

[@crhettbuttler1]

Yes omg, I was thinking where did I hear this!

[@robulusx2]

I thought Martha's Vineyard was Vinland.

[@quirkyfrapple2321]

My family DNA results are more than half Scandinavian out from England and Ireland we have Native American in there also. I have many matches in Iceland, Norway and Sweden. It really makes me wonder if I can do DNA tribal match for Native Americans to see if it is for this region they are discussing.

[@alexeyborisov7269]

Виндланд и стория викингов 👍🇷🇺

[@swampfizz]

north America was already discovered. peoples were here...sorry

[@Carti__Philippines]

Me searching for vinland saga hehe

[@dorisleyba5916]

Pre-Dorset and Saqqaq cultures

[@sam2725]

Thorfinn will solve the mystery!

[@osilva4911]

@Daddy Feli don't worry he grows up and becomes a pacifist

[@pureprairie6581]

Vinland of west is MINNESOTA. New discovery..

[@SomeonesBestFriend11_SBF]

H E T A L I A Canada is Vinland

[@tedtimmis8135]

One has to consider the circumstances on which this site was allegedly discovered. Remember Piltdown man? Remember the Kensington Rune Stone? I should add that nails and pins cannot be radio carbon dated.

[@noncompliant1877]

Two things: 1. Kensington rune stone was never actually debunked, and more importantly 2. Steel nails and pins CAN be carbon dated to within a few decades.

[@tedtimmis8135]

Non Compliant Laughable response. You obviously don't understand carbon dating as it only is used for organic carbon based objects. Secondly, the Kensington Rune Stone has been studied and is universally regarded by the academic community as a fraud. A simple Google search will show this.

[@forestdenizen6497]

@@tedtimmis8135 hahaha, kind of late but you have just enough knowledge to be dangerous. Steel and iron products contain carbon... The Smith adds it using charcoal. Charcoal is made from wood. Wood is "organic." This means that old iron and steel artefacts absolutely can be carbon dated, but the process to extract the carbon destroys the object. A quick Google search returns scientific papers describing the process. Vikings went there, get over it.

[@tedtimmis8135]

Forest Denizen Again, a laughable response. Underlying scientific method is skepticism. Where there is no skepticism, there is no science. It is very possible that the Vikings came to America but you don’t know that; nor do I. All we have seen thus far is a lot of wishful thinking, a lot of fraudulent claims, a lot of girlish emotion and very, very little real evidence. My comments have elicited a great deal of emotion but no facts and no reference to rigorous, peer reviewed scientific studies. You guys are like Democrats here in the US. You are willing to believe anything that fits your narrative. Sadly, archaeology has far to many charlatans seeking evidence to fit their world view. Ladies, that’s not how science works. Regarding carbon dating of iron, I commend you for bringing something new to the conversation. After looking into this, I found a paper published in 2003 which showed this technique to be relatively uncommon. www.tms.org/pubs/journals/JOM/0305/Cook-0305.html The paper listed all of the known investigations which used carbon dating of iron. Sorry to say this but L’Anse Aux Meadows was not listed. Show me facts, show me some evidence or at least show me some skepticism but please, spare me your emotions.

[@effingsix3825]

The Norse were likely settled anywhere anywhere they had access to glacial run-off, where they originated. I would argue that ‘Vine’ means stream, or sweet water. Water with zero dissolved solids and no bacterial growth is a great contributor to health. It was also part of Norse religion to drink only sweet water, glacial run-off and to establish their communities around this resource. ‘Vinland’ was a land of fresh water streams, as is apparent from the locales chosen by Viking explorers, immediately south of Greenland. The whole thing about grapes is Americo-centric nonsense applied to myth. They were looking for glacial run-off to establish their colonies, failing that, would gladly seek out fast running fresh water, such as you would find in L’Anse-Aux-Meadows.

[@yveslaflute9228]

Another fool who needs to visit me and drink wine from the grapes growing along the river.

[@anneangstadt1882]

This is possible, but the interpretation of "vin" as grapes was made during the oral history of the sagas, nothing to do with present day. As others have noted, "vin" or similar words could have various meanings in Norse, which like most words, also can change meaning over centuries.

[@effingsix3825]

Myths will always neglect to tell you the story, because the banality of the real can easily be brushed aside. I could surmise that the Norse who landed in North America and established a colony further south from Northern Latitudes probably had rejected their past and ventured on, eventually succumbing to pandemics of flu or bacteria with which they had little immunity, being separated from their ‘vin’ or glacial run-off. Which is probably why they always seemed to retreat north of the Arctic circle. There was a Viking or Norse burial site excavated on the banks of the Columbia River in Oregon. They would have ranged very far and wide, therefore but didn’t establish a lasting community. But there are very few ppl who would accept these prognostications.

[@sayyadina8966]

I met Eric the Red...

[@BreakingHit]

E=MC²

[@rafaelkovalski.7210]

Alguém é Brasileiro

[@cweefy]

plant some trees !

[@weebthatlifts5750]

YOOOO LEIF IS REAL

[@lucaseldridge4997]

So is Thorfinn, his name was Thorfinn Karselfini and there's actually a statue of him... It's really interesting

[@oldmanfromscenetwentyfour8164]

They could have used actual Norse Music with the soundtrack.

[@ДоспехиБога-ч3т]

Land of Japheth.

[@Ullbritt]

me 2 :(

[@tomscribner5261]

They explored and discovered North America first, get over it

[@yveslaflute9228]

OOOps there was millions of people already, 100s of nations.

[@tedtimmis8135]

Hi Helen, There was allegedly a Norse settlement found L'Anse Aux Meadows in Labrador on the East Coast of Canada. This was the only site which which may have some archaeological evidence. This was, as I recall, based on some square nails found at a dig site on the coast. While the site's location on the coast is possible, I believe it remains highly suspect. First, discoverers of the site were two Norwegian archaeologist/treasure hunters. Secondly, they were searching for proof of Norse settlements. Thirdly, the area for their treasure hunt consisted of three thousand miles of coast line just on the East coast of North America. Fourthly, the Viking sagas which describe the trip to Vinland occurred roughly a thousand years ago, it was a tiny encampment, and only lasted for a season or two. Thus, imagine the impossibly good luck of looking for a thousand year old needle in a three thousand mile haystack. On top of this, one must add to that all of the other provably fraudulent evidence such as the Kensington Rune stone which always seems to be found be Norwegians. What do I think? I think it's all made-up Norwegian bullshit. Don't get me wrong; I love Norwegians. They are beautiful people. However, when it comes to Pre-Columbian American history, many, many Norwegians seem to have a quirky, pathologic need to re-write history....Just my opinion.

[@danradu9659]

Made up Norwegian bullshit?? This isn't the Kennedy assassination, it's an archeological (and globally accepted) world heritage site. An entire farm which was unearthed in the 60's which many of us Canadian kids visit as you would Montezuma's Castle or Plymouth Rock in the States. Additionally, these aren't treasure hunters. Artifacts (including the pin and nail) have been carbon dated and reside in the Royal Ontario Museum - which likely has academics who wouldn't fall for hoaxes.

[@tedtimmis8135]

+Th. Noatak L'Anse Meadows is a sacred cow for Scandinavians and Canadians alike. Although the dubious circumstances surrounding the discovery scream for a re-examination, any challenge to this is downright heresy. Just imagine the disappointment of all those poor school kids who visited the site, all those park rangers who worked so hard to build a visitors center and to "recreate" the little stone huts, and all the tour bus drivers, the textbook writers, the school teachers....oh, the horror! the horror!

[@tedtimmis8135]

+Th. Noatak You are correct. Authenticating the site requires independent evidence or corroborating sources other than the treasure hunter and his charming wife. The sagas, incredibly interesting though they are, do not prove anything regarding the site. I could be wrong but my gut feeling is that you had a bunch of mid-level morons who got caught up in the romance of a good story. The proponents seemed likeable and credible and before long the story acquired critical mass. For their part, professional scholars and academics acted like sheep and failed to critically examine the evidence. As for me, I don't care about stupid comments from the mass of mediocrity. Just consider this: first we have multiple instances in North America where people of Scandinavian decent made great Viking discoveries which later proved fraudulent. Secondly, we have a treasure hunter and his young wife cross the ocean in search of the actual site of Vinland which according to the Sagas was (continued)

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+Ted Timmis (continued) the site would have been barely more than a campsite. The site, if in fact it existed, would then have been buried under the accretions of a thousand years of sand and sediment and it would lay hidden among thousands miles of coastline. Finding this site, as described, would be like going to Florida to look for your car keys that you lost on a beach 30 years ago and then finding them. Possible yes, but highly unlikely.

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+Th. Noatak Your English is pretty good and certainly better than my Icelandic so I will be gentle. My reference to "romance" was not literal but referred to the Norwegian couple's fantastical story of coming to America and finding the "holy grail" of American archaeology (again, I'm being expressive, not literal) despite impossible odds. Now, you say I haven't done my research but in fact, this is like the pot calling the kettle black (an American expression). Your position is on its face flawed as you keep referring to Vinland as if it is a real place which can be found on the map. At best, Vinland was a place where a handful Nordic travelers camped for a couple of seasons. But we don't know if Vinland is real, and we don't even have a clue where it might have been. Maybe it was somewhere in Greenland, maybe Iceland, maybe North America, or perhaps in Atlantis or Xanadu. No one knows. Thus, your use of the "Vinland" story as evidence for L'Anse Meadows is also fatally flawed.