The Visionshaper Rework We Need | Deepwoken

[@acudex]

visionshaper shouldve always been an insanity based oath its literally messing with your opponents sanity not only in the game but even outside never understood why this wasnt a thing when it came out

[@justrigelswag6918]

I feel like it should be a path to vision shaper

[@vqlom]

@@K-ream slide that build

[@sanctumd]

Blindseers literally already sanity and insanity based, you give your sanity away as part of the oath as the reason they're opposites is because blindseer is illuding yourself and visionshaper is illuding other

[@yoshi9012]

i mean it kinda inflicts insanity on the player, it just happens behind the screen

[@ubaidaqeel386]

I mean insanity is now a thing that some builds preform better WITH so it's kind of just whether the person you're fighting takes advantage of insanity or they don't

[@dejawostuff]

This is actually the best idea i've seen for deepwoken, i clicked on this video expecting a guy that's mad because visionshaper is just an oath for mages to be overpowered. But no. These suggestions are perfect as they would fit in for the lore and would actually be way more fun to play around with, the nestmind literally tells you to "ripen" their prey for them. And the insanity part of deepwoken is actually really REALLY undermined like getting insane should actually have a price and not make you shiver every once in a while, with these changes insanity would be important. In conclusion, Great video!

[@realhrenb]

He literally is talking about directly buffing mage builds 😭

[@aerialz7175]

@@realhrenb Just give us attunementless people some tempo 😭

[@MrBugo-jz2zg]

Insanity needs a rework 100% It would make the game so much scarier. Perhaps different variations of sanity could appear. (e.g. NLK would influence you to see fake players) (e.g. Mindbreaker potions would start to spawn fake mobs.) It would all be percentage-based, and certain sources would guarantee specific effects. Idk, I’m probably overcomplicating it. Even so, multiple/varying effects of insanity would be neat. *Off Topic* Once Layer 3, Voidtower, and Conquest drop, I hope there’s more chance of wiping. Right now the perma-wipe system isn’t really an issue.

[@menacingplatypus8547]

They should make more mantra modified by oaths, visionshaper could make so gaze brings in you in illusionary realm for a split second and you just see thousands of mobs attacking you (it deals no damage but makes the stun longer)

[@mathieulazari2074]

shade bringer transforming your sword into an owl arm, allowing a sweep before a tacet like smash.

[@totallylegitenergy2559]

no he means gaze@@K-ream

[@xecron9116]

glare immoblizes your enemy, gaze makes them gain insanity@@K-ream

[@totallylegitenergy2559]

@@K-ream gaze causes the instanisty shiver stun with invisible projectiles but doesn't actually give insanity, while glare does a straight stun, so either way it could work.

[@itsnotsky204]

ALSO! I think Visionshapers should go for insanity based battles, i’m talking like “Lets sink into the depths of insanity, together!” And both players just go insane the more the enemy is slapped by the illusion clone, and the more the user uses their abilities.

[@Azroh]

That’s a great idea

[@jah4708]

So a mangekyo sharingan type of thing

[@ReRoji]

One good example of clones imo was the peroxide illusion shikai, you have a move that forces all of your clones to do the last move you used before that. Or just mirage clones from apex legends. The insanity changes you talked about and the domain expansion seem really cool and i would like to see them in the game. Good video.

[@SkiperGripper]

the disbelief is so real i even had to adress it in my video bro

[@ramengod17]

doesn't disbelief just like shorten clone duration by a couple seconds or something also... wHErE GoDSlaYEr V4??

[@Dire19]

You know, the disbelief part is like that dawnwalker talent, WHY THE FUCK IS A TALENT THAT COUNTERS AN ENTIRE ATTENUEMENT AT THE COST OF NOTHING

[@ι-σ-ζ6λ]

YO THIS IS ACTUALLY SICK

[@ishigami4622]

I play visionshaper royally and there are some points i would like to make in this video The insanity mechanic for the clones are a great feature to add, especially if the clones do insanity on hit, the clones having a low amount of hp do sound like a bad idea as that will just make them a lightning clone or a bandit from erisia and if they do a mantra that has a long windup or startup it'll be even worst, maybe if you hover over your clone and press your mantra they can therefore do the mantra and then it'll be put on CD, having low hp will make them a breeze especially heavy builds who do a lot of damage and hyperarmor through the clones Clones should last longer based on the targets overall insanity as to oppose blindseer builds who counter visionshaper and use heretics sutra, it'll be a pseudo rivalry The insanity rework is an interesting concept but it cannot apply that well to visionshaper, or in fights in general as in ganks you usually die or get to run away before you even reach half of your blood bar down I like the illusionary realm, and i would enjoy if you weren't put inside it and if you grabbed an enemy they are brought into the HIVEMIND and it tries to go through their sanity based on their insanity meter, then spawning a mob depending on that amount of insanity (sharko being easiest, electro squibbo being highest, can be corrupted) If clones constantly occupied you there should be a downside to that, i.e when you spawn them your ether is slowly and constantly drained (visionshaper moves are way too low in ether cost, and this'll prevent constantly mantra spamming as they will run out of ether eventually)

[@nemuiexe]

they need to turn deep sanity into rogue lineage sanity

[@DustarMendez]

Bro did the biggest spit of deepwoken I've ever seen. Completely agree with everything he suggested, only exception being the mirage from the deep rework: imo it should also make all your visionshaper-related abilities stronger/last longer the more insane the enemy is (on top of being able to see how insane they are with that eye indicator). Only being able to see your enemy's insanity isn't useful at all by itself (ik about the head popping he said at the end). This change would also make blindseers /high willpower buiilds still somewhat counter visionshaper while still removing disbelief. Your mantras would still be normal strength against sane opponents, but this will make it harder to use the stronger versions on willpower users, thus making disbelief's effect kind of a passive inherently of high willpower.

[@ostenta6378]

amazing suggestions bro, i really hope a dev or agamatsu watches this

[@Overlordgaming1208]

Dude these suggestions are actually rlly good. They should totally do this. I also love the idea of the oath making you more insane, and also adding more usefulness to that as well. I would love makign players trip out.

[@Bizbert1]

we should have a sort of path system for oaths sort of in a sense you can still have the original oath if you want, or go for the 2 or 1 extra path they may have e.g Visionshaper path 1 = Illusions and tricks Visionshaper path 2 = disguising and mimicry (this will tie in to the whole idea that owls are not how we see them) This can also be tied in with Arcwarder having like certain marks (mk's) sort of like iron man and can maybe switch up the suits and passives

[@brandonlee3924]

u might be onto something

[@ponkothedestroyerofworlds6226]

another cool visionshaper path could be using illusion attacks. For example, you could use a move, and the next mantra you cast would spawn a clone on you that uses that mantra, and you would go invisible for a bit, and if they hit the clone, the clone explodes. also, maybe you could have 2 moves that both shoot the same projectile, but one of them does damage, and one of them does not, but the one that does no damage can still do damage if you block/parry/ dodge it. so your enemy wont know what to do when they see the projectile coming.

[@infinitetaquito4484]

Let him cook

[@Bizbert1]

@@ponkothedestroyerofworlds6226yeah fr the ideas are endless

[@gabetmf]

when the freshy has the always corrupt depth trial modifier

[@than4792]

Amazing suggestions, I agree with everything in this video

[@vanissqh]

BRO THE INTRO!!!!!!!! WILD🔥

[@FoundJidoki]

NAHHH THE START GOES FIRE

[@mythical217]

building off the clone mimicking your movements and tricking your opponent, there should be a way to swap places with your clone to even more confuse them

[@braedenmu5380]

Genuinely the best rework of any oath. The head popping at the end of DE was the cherry on top

[@SBBDARKRACER]

2:39 the reason why is because its a requirement for blindseer which is the opposite of visonshaper

[@brbfrvr]

imagine tier 4 sanity when you just fall in f*!king coma from PTSD and etc, or enrage in berserk(you still can parry,hear,m1 but screen just turns blank black and there just a voidsea background sound, so game just decide which direction or to who you will run no matter who is it ally or enemy)

[@ThatGuy-c5g]

I was not prepared for the "AAA-" and then his head explodes. Anyway, good video, it's cool.

[@JusArcadian]

Visionshaper Path 2: instead of focusing on clones you train your mind into tricking other causing them insanity Domain Expansion: Idle Effigy of Yun'Shul

[@ap19krahs78]

i feel like all of your opinions are top on, but i think that the more insane you get your opponent increases the scaling for your oath mantras, like let’s say the eye is 3/4 full, the clones should actually be doing dmg, and they somewhat last longer, which would undoubtedly give more visionshaper players a less ‘runny’ play style and now it would be more aggressive.

[@unpersoned1342]

your suggestion for the insanity thing where you cant tell people apart would be so cool

[@killcam9793]

if this happened heretic sutra would get fucked and depths gankers would be stronger

[@FlybirdAlex]

the most perfect idea i have seen in a lifetime truly a masterpiece (archmage totally gonna add this)

[@mcnoobdestroyer]

This is hella underrated they need to implement your ideas cause they're genuinely good and balanced

[@John-cr2gv]

pretty fun and unique keep up the work

[@pearbirbwithslippers6918]

Clones should switch places and make it use multiplying spark for half damage but more clones (its rng either you get tped to your clone or not)

[@rendora4188]

We should be able to change what are realm looks like by adding certain modifiers just like how you can with disguise

[@CurvedBladeofTheWinds]

spark variations for illusionary realm that change the realm would be fire

[@jordon-raestewart2189]

i like this version of visionshaper but you didnt mention any possible downsides to balance it out like for example when exiting the domain the user will get a debuff randomly chosen from 1. being stunned/ragdolled for a while 2. the users head also popping 3. putting all mantras on cd for a long while.

[@jordon-raestewart2189]

but even tho vision shaper realm needs to be changed it would be nice for other oaths to get some form of domains as well Silent heart: removes the all mantras and removes all forms of ether for the opponent (they can also make it that when an opponent uses an move the dmg of the move is returned to them). Silent heart domain downsides: 1.Remove all forms of elemental resistance after the domain for a certain period.2.lose the ability to use the silent heart moves for a while.3.stunned for a while Blindseer:causes sanity to instantly be gained back for the user and allys and cause opponents to rapidly lose sanity These are just some domains im kinda lazy to make more ideas so yeah Feel free to comment what you think could be different or what the other oaths could be like

[@zayzay9059]

Its HIM OH NO😂 ❤ subbed

[@Vinyknobs]

im kinda new to deepwoken and havent used or really seen a visionshaper but seeing the video of you playing it it seems like a really cool concept with a mid execution, i think everything you said about visionshaper and insanity should be changed and added.

[@Y_Cr3470r]

Yummy

[@erase6138]

I really like this EXCEPT the clone part I like just straight up jumping 2v1 with my clone instead of controlling two different things at once

[@lux2caligo]

this mf really pulled out divine general Yun' Shul 😭🙏

[@BoyoBasado]

10/10 suggestion especially about insanity devs hear this man out

[@khum6059]

yeah you forgot the fact that visionshaper clones block which is like 2 posture bars which is like basically torture for guns and daggers

[@lolfoxmaster4870]

The idea is shit but that beggining is fire.

[@DanielRodriguez-so5vv]

The insanity reworks sounds pretty fun ngl.

[@korb9664]

One thing about tier 3 insanity, instead of your idea, I believe it would be sick if you would start hallucinating. You would see shadows running around and sometimes get attacked by them, resulting in you taking fake damage. The current system honestly doesn't make much sense from a gameplay perspective, and is just annoying to the player.

[@water6647]

To give people a chance to get out of illusionary realm/domain expansion it should create a bubble first, to give people a chance to get out of it. Also potentially a clash if two people decide to use it at the same time like anime I don't have any idea what the minigame would be but I hope it would be different from the normal wasd minigames.

[@MrReo998]

the clash could measure the willpower of each player and the player with the most willpower overpowers the other persons domain

[@skyleegammingtsnightmare-r6158]

You can escape, not many people knows but you can run to the edge and jump into the void to escape, especially if you got a trackstar build

[@water6647]

@@skyleegammingtsnightmare-r6158 I just think it’ll be cooler if when the barrier start forming you can’t escape and you are forced to only escape during the bubble

[@SaDWolfik]

imagine if all this gonna be added, visionshaper oath pov: im solo verse

[@littlehamham3281]

this is in all honesty the best rework vid i've ever seen it does comes from a bias perspective but in reality i believe we just need an oath rework jetstriker, visionshaper, starkindred etc desperately need a rework (starkindred shouldnt be buffed btw.)

[@mivkun]

This is actually really good

[@EvanTheEX]

this is fire, sanity rework would be nice, visionshaper def needs a rework

[@pressf42069]

Maybe because you're associated with owls your body would kinda change depending on how insane the person is

[@splakbor]

real eyes realize real lies is such a cold name

[@flamesake1668]

I agree that disbelief hast to me removed or made into a 100Wp talent since it fs up not only the oath but also the entire build

[@evereq8970]

Maybe they can Just make it a starting talent for blindseer

[@Vinyknobs]

yeah if disbelief was for blindseer only id actually really like that

[@DanielRodriguez-so5vv]

​​@@Vinyknobsye this is a cool idea.

[@grimmis9642]

intro was cool and domain expansion needs rework but i dont like all of your other ideas well made video though

[@aytver4150]

One of the best rework videos out there

[@tonysengchanthong2118]

Anyone remember the stick monsters from rogue at insanity 5? Make that mirage of the deep, totally fuck up a persons health bar and CD's where they can't see em

[@ItsStqr]

This was amazing! Did you make the first scene in Studio? Also, please drop the build 😭

[@tomato8593]

Bro please keep making vids like this I want arch mage to put you on his rework staff cause this incredible also im going visionshaper for my next pvp build wish me luck

[@jeffitw1037]

great video

[@perhaps.........4108]

This is a sick idea and I hope this gets the attention of devs

[@duckkun2609]

completly agree

[@8BitPyro]

I really like the concepts you put out here, I hope at least some of these are added, or Visionshaper is changed to deal with sanity in some other form.

[@MrReo998]

i think making it so the illusions you make become more real as the enemies sanity drops. so for example if they are 50% of their max insanity the clones will do 50% real damage/50% fake damage and take more hits before disappearing, but if they are 0% insanity the clones die in one hit and do only fake damage. and possibly make the illusory realm make all of your clones 100% real so they dont disappear when hit they do 100% real damage and then mix all of this with replacing mirage of the deep with a toggle on x that makes all the clones copy you exactly. i think that would make Vision shaper alot more interactive and alot better overall

[@MrReo998]

I also think an ability that would temporarily remove one enemy player from combat whether by actually physically removing them or by making them hallucinate or make them invisible to you and you invisible to them would be cool since the oath mentions not having to see anything you dont want to. I think it would be fitting to have an option that lets you not have to fight people you dont want to for a moment

[@MrReo998]

another potential ability that would be cool for the domain is to be able to switch places with any clone inside the domain, making it harder for the enemy to tell which they need to hit

[@littlehamham3281]

so close to cooking but you shouldnt be anywhere near a kitchen

[@skippy4905]

idk about the whole not fighting people thing but i do think the insanity-making-clones-more-real thing is really really cool, lose the real damage stuff from the idea and just increase the amount of fake damage and this is a good addition to the visionshaper rework ideas

[@electronthecoolest48]

this rework would be cool asf... but how would the visionshaper realm damage work?? I feel like it could be minimal damage and a debuff, like lowered swing speed, lowered ether regen, or blindness or something along with the damage so its not just gonna deal 20% true damage because you got hit with a domain expansion.. The damage should be minimal but not unnoticeable because theres no way to react to the animation of illusory realm. Like with the sanity tiers, i feel like tier 1 insanity you lose 4% on exit, tier 2 is 8, tier 3 is 10-12% and along with the debuffs it would probably be alot stronger than how it is rn.

[@zordithxdw]

but it's a 2 minute cooldown move that also never lands

[@doceplexultra591]

In all honesty I love everything about your rework but I think the sanity changes are somewhat too broken because as easy as it sounds hearing stuff that isn’t there, should make some way to tell them apart. Not some really distinct way but maybe a little sound like the “pew” sound vision clones make yk? I think we should be able to tell players apart in t3 insanity but I think that’s where that distinct sound goes and you begin to see things yk? Maybe you’re blinded somewhat like shadow does to you bc of all the blood from scratching your eyes or the soreness etc

[@campbat5712]

One more thing, MAKE IT SO IT'S POSSIBLE TO LAND REALM. like bro like you said even after a blockbreak people can just hold block and walk backwards. Before the realm rework it people went into realm on their own free will cause if they didn't you could heal but now people have 0 reason to go in realm

[@daise1300]

You actually cooked, I hope they add this

[@MrFrosteezz]

Bro is COOKING🔥🔥🔥

[@smh3789]

if this happens I’ll have to remake my sukuna build but HONESTLY I WOULD NOT MIND

[@niro-007]

Should have added to make the Realm easier to land because right now it's hella jank and essentially impossible to land it's why nobody uses it

[@mustaqahmed6294]

A shrine domain expansion would be sick ngl

[@SpacatoTT]

Fun fact: If its your first time killing an owl, mirage of the deep gives you knowledge

[@EternalTX]

Out of everything that needs a rework corrupted resurrection needs one it doesn’t do anything

[@govnolep]

Clone rework: they completely mimic what the player does, but they don't do any damage and you have to guess which one is real

[@gurkensaft5766]

Nobodys gonna use that shi

[@Ramosious]

ur the best deeptuber

[@syedakbari5673]

this would be perfect

[@Nmignzdzso1]

W vid dang it

[@folfy5697]

Nice ideas!

[@cybrr_]

love this rework cuz i just made a lose your mind visionshaper build

[@boozados]

I disagree with being able to see people’s sanity but I agree with everything else for the most part. Especially the imaginary damage thing

[@thatguywhosbored9820]

vision should have always been a sanity breaking oath consdring you play with peoples minds and drive them insane

[@weatherr3011]

blind seer should also be able to see insanity

[@iplaygames420]

freshie gon say "Domain Expansion: Synapse Bypass"

[@cyrill300mod8]

Very good idea but add tier 4 insanity makes you unable to see every bar of your stats I mean health, armor, ether, blood, hunger, water and tempo. And buff harrowing enchant making your enemies unable to see every bar stat. Oh also make that if you get auto gripped by insanity your head should pop.

[@BigFellaDj]

meanwhile dawnwalker with its singular viable move

[@AsianXDDD]

🔥

[@Xode_25]

Mmmm I love spawning in lower erisia npcs every 5 seconds we are truely at the peak of deepwoken pvp

[@LC4Y]

bro might be onto something

[@doofusb8]

I really like all of this and think they should definitely use this video. To add to this: Increase Lose Your Mind stat req Lower the counters windup Make the clones HP half of ur current HP

[@gamejack3357]

Not half hp of current hp i dont wanna kill a 25% hp clone for nothing

[@littlehamham3281]

imagine someone uses clones and it has 250 hp you are actually bugging

[@ananasik3082]

While the entire rework is awesome, Ido NOT think devs will be creative or even interested enough to add any of this

[@Diego_Snekk]

do not let this man cook.

[@DanielRodriguez-so5vv]

Visionshaper is fineee.

[@superducacht4761]

As a visionshaper main I must say, my mans did NOT cook with this one

[@NellVexin]

Maddening shrine is wild 🤣🤣

[@rene96321]

disbelief should just be a blindseer talent

[@celanvaril6200]

peak intro

[@ananasik3082]

The rework that we won't get

[@scoople]

Lowkey bruh I don’t care about any of this I just want visionshaper to get a better domain expansion

[@killcam9793]

bro said maddaning shrine 💀

[@gidromephilomostofilophes6383]

bro just made the scariest oath against depths players

[@AshAethuda]

dont remove disbelief, i HATE visionshapers

[@AJfr.]

Deepwoken devs are so bad at making illusion based things actually about illusions it was the same thing with illusionist in rogue as with visionshaper neither of them do anything with illusions and messing with your mind and yet are portrayed as illusionary abilities