The Volkswagon RETURNS! Empire vs Demons of Chaos - Total War Warhammer 3

[@aziouss2863]

Tank running over demons will never get old. Also the fully armed and operational luminak? God i love the Empire. And this Gigachad of a player for picking those units.

[@Weberkooks]

lets face it he brought a steam tank and that takes all of his chad points away. They are just auto win units. Their is no reliable counter to steam tanks. They are good in every single situation and downright busted in most situations.

[@aziouss2863]

@@Weberkooks YES YOU ARE RIGHT BUT IT IS A TANK RUNNING OVER DEMONS! So anything you say my cognitive dissonance will brush away!

[@aziouss2863]

@@Weberkooks YES BUT IT IS A TANK RUNNING OVER DEMONS! ANYTHING YOU SAY WILL BE IGNORED DUE TO MY COGNITIVE DISSONANCE! Jokes aside. I think the unit needs a weakness to compensate for the strengths instead of just a stat nerf. I would add a % more damage taken in the back. Also remove heals from lore of life and add a bound ability for engineers to heal it. That way if you want to keep the OP tanks as they are you need to pay more for an extra unit. Also lore of life healing mechanical units is dumb. If it still outperform then make it cost more or add more damage taken from the back.

[@викторавилов-ь8х]

​@@Weberkooksactually magic and artillery fire can counter them pretty easily. Its just not every faction has a reliable magic and artillery :0

[@caret_shell]

6:19 🤣 I never noticed the warrior priest back there! Like a little kid in the back of a wood-paneled station wagon in 1985 😃

[@MarkD5678]

it might not be a bad idea for Volkmar to take his Divine Power passive, +50% global miscast chance could really punish enemies that like spamming cheap spells

[@spartan662501]

Those fiends were brutal and was chasing the expensive units the entire game

[@TheMaDNiaC]

Come for the Volkmar, stay for the Hysh. I love to see Slaneesh cavalry/chariots or beasts being managed well, since I am bad at micro myself. Fiends particularly look dope too.

[@darthplagueis13]

Gotta respect the hustle, but that army simply didn't have enough of a field presence. Tempelhof Luminark and Volley tank is 4000 points worth of missile chariots that don't do well against high quality melee stuff. I can't help but think that 6-7 Flagellants probably would have done more here, simply because they have good cap weight, don't rout and have decent damage output against unarmoured daemon infantry.

[@sandercohen9712]

You can't bring that many flaggellants, and they are more vulnerable than state troops to blues and pinks. Best to go mass state troops, then rely on things like huntsmen, cavalry, stanks and FCM to dish out the punishment.

[@seppafer]

I would argue that losing the spears on the bloodletters and daemonettes so early is what lead to the overwhelm from the fiends. the origional build looked decent and fun but its potential was squandered when there was such a clear quality gap in the frontline clash. I think holding back a bit more with the spears while the chariots did some damage early would have softened up the clash and left enough strength in the spearmen to hold back the fiends

[@sandercohen9712]

Volkmar competes with a tank commander too much to make him viable. He trades in a lot of combat prowess for those few support abilities and regeneration. I also noticed how little health he has. He really is a relic from WH2 and could do with a buff or two.

[@bigsarge2085]

Another interesting battle report. And your thumbnail's have always been good, but these last few have been exceptional!

[@Anvilarm07]

Another great batrep. Love the post game analysis.

[@Nyoxs]

Really enjoy the theory crafting type videos, would love to see more army build type videos after videos, like an 'after match' analysis.

[@thallusa123]

I wish obliterating the demon lord was enough to win the game. Haha, fiends are so nasty

[@BloodyBobJr]

Volkmar needs some buffs i think, biggest issue is his damage output is Really bad. Having 245 damage is..i think might be lowest damage for a lord in the game now. Should be at least 400, volkmar is effectively useless in any duels or against any monsters. Stat increase wouldn't hurt either, honestly i think volkmar is even worst then Gelt. Every steam tank is about 2-3 times better then Volk

[@Ravengagepvl]

He's a chariot, chariots never have as much weapon damage as regular units.

[@BloodyBobJr]

@@Ravengagepvl and his damage is lower then every other lord using chariots, well actually same as elf wizard and norscan chariot wizard. For a legendary lord it's terrible, why in competitive play I've never once seen volkmar( TWW 2 he was)

[@lutherabel2618]

Agreed. He didn't get enough of a buff to account for the switch from Large to Ultra unit sizes.

[@darthplagueis13]

He's more of a support unit, but yeah. It's also really bloody strange that putting him on his Volkswagen makings his stats so much worse. Like, he gains 15 BvI but loses 25 melee attack and 135 WS. I mean sure, he gets way more armour and health on his ride as well as fear and terror, but it's just weird that it makes him deal less damage.

[@lazywalrusHD]

@@Ravengagepvl 3:05 some SICK chariot damage right there

[@rumham1559]

I need a warhammer 3 stream soon Turin, it's been so long I am starting to tweak

[@adeptusjoker7176]

Dang, ironically, the daemons drove over the empire

[@jordyvandersluijs4484]

exalted deamonettes are so good if they get into melee, especially with the furries buff that is way more realistic now

[@christopherhayes1369]

Do you remember Volk-mare when he's on his horse? So funny

[@Gafropanda]

lol 7:15 wtf damage hahahaha

[@Michael-kb2gk]

Bro this was such a slug fest I forgot it was domination until the end. Gnarly battle for objective 1 the whole time, fun match! Loved the post-battle crafting too. Hail sigmar

[@zsdmrtzmrde]

The lumi had a max range score to settle with that demon. Wonder what got him so excited..?

[@profpwn9446]

We need the return of the dreaded land ship

[@Drachenfurie]

Empire Player wasted several nets on Fiends without even shooting at them. You gotta micro in this game. Meanwhile the steam tank requires no skill. Its just way too strong in the hands of anyone.

[@lovelybitofsquirrel8272]

I've noticed in most slaanesh replays that the fiends are the hard carry, I wonder if maybe outriders would be a good pick for an empire player against slaanesh

[@50043211]

Its nick is Tyroil Smochie Wallace and I would have found it funnier if you went with Smochie instead of Wallace! 😆

[@paulroyal2177]

I enjoy Turin's "after-match" theory-crafting. But this time he didn't say "what's the best Empire build against Demons of Chaos?" but instead, "how do we make a better Volkmar roster against Demons of Chaos?" ... In this game (spoiler) Volkmar ran out and the Empire got two objectives. Then the demons summoned (MVP) Fiends of Slaanesh and got a triple-cap by 6 minutes. Game over. I don't see Turin's after-match solution (spears with cavalry reinforcement, but no magic damage except from one Hero) being good against the Fiends or the Demonettes. Sorry. ... The Empire's MVP was the amazing Steam Tank (which is better than Burning Heads, as the Empire lost their tank-y units too early to get the enemy to bog-down in place for area-of-effect spells). I think the Empire's build was "Net and ranged attacks", and that would have been great against so many armies with giant bosses and flyers. Maybe fpod expected the enemy to use a different build? At the end of the game, fpod had a "death-ball" that could have cleared the map, but it was too late.

[@oscarshepherd6098]

Love you turin

[@majormoolah5056]

Turin reaching out to touch Volkmar: kzbin.info/www/bejne/q2Lbo4GXibRkmKs

[@bacnguyen9304]

volkmar, warrior priest and the empire captain are not a viable choice or even use in game 3 because they are front line support characters and Empire infantry can't compete with other faction anymore even with buffs from these characters, which are ok at best or many are just piss poor ( looking at you " hold the line"), and they can only buffs 1 unit at a times because their radius are so small and compare to other factions army wide abilities it's not even a contest. The Empire playstyle right now is just skaven but good (poor skaven ), hordes of cannon fodder and road blocks for war machine and weapons team to do all the work , there are no place for frontline support characters with this winning condition. I love how both CA and GW both look at state troops in 8th edition and said yeah we turn them into clanrats at the same time, when wh3 was released Empire infantry was in a sad state but instead of making them better they just make them cheaper which now it's even harder to buffs such a wide army but at least they are still good as cannon fodder unlike in The Old World where GW make them cost the same as Gor herds but worse than Bretonnian men at arms. Nerfs steam tanks , landship , wagons all you want but at least make state troops, flagelants, greatsword, Demigryphs what they are meant to be , rework the Captain like in the campaign where he can have either infantry or cavalry map wide buffs or make all of the support buffs army wide like waaagh of greenskin.

[@markwilliamdiano5018]

Fiends were too oppressive. There was no way to stop them. So fast, so tanky, so much mass and the pack a punch.

[@makodium7003]

Fiends are the OP unit that need the nerf tbh, double value. Steam tank barely made it back

[@lolsovs]

So steam tanks are borderline OP, how are fiends not the same?

[@ThereCanOnlyBe1Wil]

Fiends are very squishy so they can be dealt with with a little dedication whereas th tank is almost unkillable if it isn't blundered

[@CornRecords972]

I think they have something like 20 armor? These fiends weren't being ran into spears or gunfire that's why they performed so well. Nothing is scarier than slaanesh units if they aren't focused by their counters. That being reduced mobility and concentrated fire. If he had some units ready each time those Fiends got netted they should have instantly died. I counted 3 or 4 nets with absolutely no prepared follow up.

[@rmsidkrrtod]

Well fiends are basically anti large glass cannons which means you can deal with them in the late game even if your units with mass have been destroyed. However when you don't have something with high mass and speed remaining to deal with the steam tank in the late game(which is quite frequent when you are against the empire) the steam tank will just plow through infinite amounts of infatry and you just lose the game

[@Weberkooks]

This is just a really inane comment. A unit being good doesn't make it OP? They aren't OP cuz they can be killed easilly and have plenty of counters. the steam tank is extremelly hard to kill does ridiculous damage to any target that isn't a flyer. I don't even see you making a point here. You just say "If one unit is overpowered why is this other unit not overpowered." How is that even a statement?

[@fiveforbiting]

See above comments. Also, Slannesh doesn't have many great tools. Empire does.

[@Timo-tm6rj]

if the demon player literally only had feinds he would have still won. they seemed super op

[@totoyuki1]

the empire had really poor answers against them. Not enough screening infantry and no huntsman or long rifles at all is a choice for sure. 2 huntsmen and a single target net is enough to completely wipe out a fiend. Slaanesh units make their bread on being allowed to rampage so uncontested.

[@4FUN0011]

Damn, I saw this build and thought that the Empire is such a gigachad player and then it got rolled for trying to have fun and be unique by 5 OP fiends. Literally couldnt do anything even if he was the best micro player.

[@fidelcashflow4940]

It's a little annoying when people see a unit and go "omg OP" when the empire players build was really skewed and didn't respect the fiend play and had no counters so of course they're going to look powerful

[@_Chazzy_]

First? I love you Turin

[@dagroth123]

"how would i of fixed this build": removes everything interesting, including the tank!

[@13g0man]

The tank and Luminark were both expensive vulnerable pieces that get countered by the same unit. Which is exactly what the Daemons did, they used fiends to counter both pieces and also the Volkswagon while the Empire didn't have anything effective to counter the fiends.