The Volume Roundtable feat. Mike Israetel, Layne Norton, Eric Helms & Greg Nuckols

[@ddavidjeremy]

What a great way for Jeff to celebrate his 12th birthday. Happy birthday young man

[@tawfegh4691]

😂

[@DJHEV]

"You might get hurt, but you might get better". Words to live by.

[@ethanhood5304]

Damn Jeff made som serious neck gains👏

[@athleticaesthetixstrengthc2951]

Mike has such a plethora of knowledge to share on training, great podcast!

[@oncecursed1]

Mike is almost always sitting on a couch or lounging and giving the absolute worst camera angle whenever on a podcast, it’s amazing.

[@McMeatBag]

No idea how you got all of these guys together. Great discussion

[@theanabolicitalian2285]

In 2022 it’s crazy to see all these guys in one video, it’s like seeing the lifting United Nations come together.

[@giuliam2531]

Il nick 🤦😂

[@jordanfinn98]

Jeff you look so young 😂😂 glad you're still doing this in 2019, keep up the good work!

[@PicopicoEMD]

You can really see the neck difference.

[@taterthot7112]

2022 here, Jeff you look fetal here, glad you're still doing this!

[@rockengy-912]

*2022 and the beard really suits him

[@catedoge3206]

yuh

[@rockyevans1584]

2024 and Jeff looks fecal here. Respect to nipples

[@whatitdoes]

Crazy how I found these guys individually over time but they all know each other! Also crazy how far they have all come up in their own rights.

[@ssdabel]

Mike Israetel is a legend, Eric Helms is Wisdom.

[@sandeshjadhav8804]

for phone users TIMESTAMPS: 0:00 - Disclaimer/Notices 1:20 - Intro 9:20 - Mike Israetel Opening Statement 16:11 - What does "recoverable" mean? 19:56 - Eric Helms Opening Statement 26:09 - Mike's response to Eric: Does MRV imply a steep drop off in gains after a certain point? 33:38 - Addressing research showing moderate to be better than higher volumes 34:45 - Layne Norton's Opening Statement 45:25 - Is the "volume trap" a concern? Should you jump straight to MRV or build your way up? 54:04 - Greg Nuckols' Opening Statement - VIDEO REQUIRED 1:01:31 - Difference between max recoverable volume (MRV) and max adaptive volume (MAV) 1:07:43 - Should we be more conservative when making practical volume recommendations? And how to tell if you're "recovered"? (Eric) - VIEWER QUESTIONS - 1:10:02 - Is taking shorter rest periods a viable way to pack in more per-session volume? (Layne and Eric) 1:15:28 - Is there a practical way to measure MRV? (Mike) 1:20:32 - Addressing Lyle McDonald's criticisms (Mike and Greg) 1:24:00 - How to track training volume (Greg and Eric) 1:29:48 - How many sets should we do to get close to MRV? (Mike) 1:35:11 - Does MRV differ for different body parts? (Mike and Greg) 1:37:52 - Rest periods and metabolic stress discussion (Eric, Greg and Mike) 1:49:50 - Are some exercises (ex. squats) better than others (ex. leg press)? (Mike and Eric) 1:53:28 - How does being in a caloric deficit change volume requirements? (Eric) 1:56:10 - Conclusion

[@mizakzee]

59:00 Greg Nuckols - "I'm not the most effective communicator" Also Greg Nuckols - summarizes hour long conversation in 1 graph

[@churde]

holy shit...mike israetel is literally a legend

[@alexhughes7085]

aren't they all?...

[@B1bLioPhil3]

No Layne can go fuck himself. Hasn't released good content in YEARS!

[@scruffie777]

+Fitness Enthusiast Jason is that you. lol

[@DrVonHugenstein]

+Jeff Sheppard kek

[@daytonasayswhat9333]

Why literally? Is he in story books?

[@directorgtr]

This is eye opening. Thank you so much Jeff for putting this together. I'm glad I've found this content after only 3 months of training at 32 years old. I'll for sure watch your other roundtables.

[@benjaminnygrenlohndorf976]

Mike is a fkn beast when he talks, everything he says is on point

[@100marcoch]

Eric´s way to analyze the research and it´s practical implications is just insane!!

[@SteversIO]

I don't know why more people haven't watched this. This is bodybuilding gold.

[@MarioTomicOfficial]

Thanks for the value guys, this was amazing! Was about to go to sleep then I saw it, 2 hours later time to set a new alarm lol

[@vardaspavarde8480]

Haha same for me

[@phillipaden3617]

instablaster.

[@nogheadz4987]

I'm genuinely disappointed that none of the comments talk about how mike gets up for the express reason of showing off his (actual) guns @ 3:20. Ya'll must be sleepin'

[@benjaminlopezisgreat]

I stopped watching because of this. And disliked it because of this.

[@TooDaft]

@@benjaminlopezisgreat you shouldn't discredit the whole video because of 2 seconds and 1 person. Grow up

[@Seda1979]

@@TooDaft Agree. He threw the baby out with the bathwater. His loss. Obviously not enough testosterone in his veins to stomach this video. LMFAO

[@roblincoln10]

Fucking love Mike

[@ColocasiaCorm]

I got really scared. He's huge, strong, has guns, and knows jiu-jitsu. Why does he have to be so dangerous???

[@raduantoniu]

Awesome video Jeff! I learned a lot from this.

[@patrickbaumgartner1785]

i knew i would find u here haha!

[@RichLunaMusic]

@@patrickbaumgartner1785 really needs etporrt

[@AL3XGZa]

This video is fucking incredible. Every lifter should watch this

[@eukleidesk6759]

I’m glad that I finally found the time to watch this. Thanks for a great discussion.

[@somethowawayhandle]

5 years later this is amazing

[@andrewt248]

In late 2019-Jeff's neck is so skinny!

[@jawz0121]

In 2019 it's a 3 yr old video

[@macsmitty1171]

@@jawz0121 that’s what he said 🤡

[@gankdalfthedank9855]

Just now seeing this vid, amazing what neck size does visually for the impression of overall size!

[@yupengjin8642]

@@jawz0121 滑的一年入的光线经过的

[@Reppintimefitness]

🤣

[@Rave.-]

Jesus, how have I not seen this particular podcast yet? So much knowledge on one panel.

[@joshuawhinery208]

I started watching Jeff's videos much more recently, and Wow has his neck training really made a huge difference!

[@kyrasaturn]

He looks so much younger and smaller with this hair and neck size lmaooo

[@FHxSemper]

"You'd have to squat your fucking legs off" - Mike Israetel 2016 lolol

[@MrDraxz]

Would love to see an update to this roundtable be sweet to see what science has made views differ.

[@gpaula2232]

I really enjoyed this, can't believe how fast these two hours went by. These guys are awesome!

[@craigowen1798]

Been waiting for this since you first announced you were doing it, Jeff. Thank you for rounding this crew up, sir. A lot of knowledge in one video.

[@hilljj4]

This was seriously fantastic - long, but fantastic! Great to see these guys all have a professional discussion over this... except the very very end =) that cracked me up, I was belly laughing. Learned a TON, Jeff - great stuff, thank you for setting this up!

[@louisg5207]

Hot damn, good grouping of smart muscle heads in one video. Thanks!

[@alexhughes7085]

IKR

[@turnippatrol4607]

In regards to Mike's comparison of a barbell bench press to a nautilus chest press machine, the key difference between the two will be the effective resistance curve. Many machines utilize oblong pulleys systems which produce a non-linear resistance curve and emphasize peak contractions, which produce a lot less muscle stress & overall disruption. This is because less of the exercise's stress is occurring when the muscle is at more moderate lengths and can contract harder, recruit more fibers, etc.

[@ehud88]

One dude wears a captain america shirt, the other dude really LOOKS LIKE captain america

[@LaurentMy]

I found your channel out few days ago and my only regret is that I didn't find it before ! Thanks for this podcast Jeff !

[@cydzik86]

Mike still has some hair left and Jeff look so young 🤣🤣 Anyone in 2022?

[@incogyt]

Also mike seems less polished 😂

[@darrellrayford3817]

2023

[@peterarchimandritis4948]

All star guest lineup!

[@patrickpence8436]

Please more stuff like this. This was by far the best video you put out great content very informative!

[@danielbilinovich2474]

This is legit. Nicely done. Quickly becoming one of my favorite KZbinr.

[@bay2michael]

Holy SHIT Jeff, the gains you have made since this video was published!

[@AdamMc192]

Great video Jeff. 3dmj fam!

[@justinjnoble]

This was amazing. Thanks a lot for arranging this, mate!

[@EmileJarreau]

You guys are awesome. The discussion is always fantastic. The research will catch up to whats happening in the world as new studies show the outliers that exist. ALL day long at the Olympic games we see this. In bodybuilding we see this. Every decade of training shows new adaptations personally and after 4 decades...volume, intensity, duration and the psychology of the trainee all produce different results at different seasons in life. Keep striving fellas...all of you are solid resources. Jeff nice work moderating and your layout of the discussions.

[@Jofishgolf]

great video.. dr mike takes everyone to school. smartest guy in the fitness/sports industry..

[@boxerfencer]

Thanks for bringing this to us Jeff!

[@1sihingable]

I'm a new follower. Really enjoyed this. Thank you!

[@Latissimus65]

Damn, what a combo. Thanks for these type of videos Jeff.

[@danielrochon2651]

Only about 30mins in and loving the content! Awesome stuff as usual from Jeff's channel

[@PROBOXTECH]

Jeff's transformation really motivates me to keep going.

[@TheBodice]

I'm curious how Martin Berkhan and Andy Morgan would weigh in on this. They're both advocates of lower volume (minimalist) exercise - Martin more aggressively so. My assumption is they would agree with this, but advocate lower volume for adherence by normal, non-competitive clients. I think it may also depend on HOW much better higher volume is. Are we talking 25 - 50%? Can one get 90% of optimal gains on a minimalist training cycle? And, if you aren't competitive, isn't that a better quality of life? That's something that I don't know is touched on enough - sure 4, 5, 6 days of workouts can be more effective, but for the non-competitive working man/woman with a family it may lead to diminished adherence. Apologies if any of this is covered. I'm listening to the whole thing now, so this may be premature...

[@YTho-ev1ej]

Thanks jeff for showing me these guys. They are very knowledgeable and I a can't wait to look them up and learn from them.

[@g5888anthony]

JEFF YOU NEED ALL YOUR NEW SUBSCRIBERS TO SEE THIS

[@joesaurer1]

Thank you all. Great Video!

[@BretWickstrom]

Despite playing college football, having a B.S. in sports science, a B.S. in Wellness and a Doctorate in Chiropractic this discussion finally shed some light on this how to train with proper volume.

[@bizbite2]

Jeff, before the neck training! 😱😱😱

[@Yupppi]

Greg's graphs look like shear stress graph and force. It's nice to see how all of them have improved their phrasing for their ideas. Also interesting to see the "origins" time of the concepts.

[@Razephon]

Great stuff as always Jeff! Look forward to more content like this in the future!

[@colaturkalures]

Where's our boy Hemmingway?

[@ev1bl]

Dont know, havent seen that guy in 16 years

[@DragonballG.]

Hate to be the one to tell you this, but he died in 1962

[@GarrettDaum]

Hhaha this one was definitely my favorite by far! Way to go Jeff getting all these ppl on board definitely enjoyed it!

[@str8strength134]

I follow all of Eric's beliefs/concepts on proper training nutrition for fat loss/muscle gain etc... Now I'm investing in Mike's beliefs/concepts on training volume, as physique enhancement is my number 1 goal. These 2 are the best in the game in my opinion.

[@bluekornchips]

Incredibly informative video! It was awesome to listen to a group of incredibly well-informed athletes share their knowledge.

[@thomascampidell]

Thank you all so much!!!

[@nishantthakur4134]

Mike is the coolest.

[@Nickkibs]

I salute you all,appreciate the good info,good job people. God bless

[@B1bLioPhil3]

Layne Norton being on here was a complete waste. Should have got Menno Henselmens , Dr. Mike Zourdos, Ben Esgro or Mike Tuchscherer. He literally just talks about himself the whole time...

[@TVRevit]

Perfect podcast ! Very good pointers for advanced lifters. I have already played this one 3x. Greatings from Slovakia. PS: Mike is hilarious :D

[@comalausa]

HOLY SHT i never realized lil jeffy went THREE DECADES OF PUBERTY during his time on YT

[@rileygallivan24]

Can’t believe I listened to it all, but glad I did. Have some thinking to do about my training split

[@TheFitnessHipster]

incredibly impressed by this setup by the way...

[@crimsonbehelit99]

This crew was pure gold back then😅

[@rugbyelite1361]

Holy shit. It's 2021 now. Jeff nippard is no longer a little kid. Mike Isratel no longer has hair, and Mario Tomic actually has a channel now lol

[@HassanAbdullh]

Thank you all day!

[@TeamHuanimal]

at 28 minutes I thought I was at some techno club. great video, Jeff!

[@amyrosato3198]

Layne booted me out of his facebook group over a joke. Bummer.

[@dreamtforlightyearss]

Wow Mike's voice was so different back then

[@nikitaw1982]

this was great. i liked u had time stamps. be great if somehow could add a glossary of used terms. that would be way too much time for a vlog.

[@herahad99]

I fucking loved Mike Israetel in this podcast

[@TheUltraGamer98]

God you neck training really made a difference!

[@shinrionah5698]

I’m a simple man: I read Mike Israetel in the title and I give my like bruh :vvv

[@crusigala]

You should have Jason Fung and Layne Norton on another podcast in the future

[@Olapreb]

Australianstrengthcoach sent me here!

[@TheCallmom]

Brain going to explode trying to understand mikes thinking and all this meso cycle, accumulation and all it combined to make the program I wanna folloe.

[@Seda1979]

LIKED THIS VID: I follow all these men except for Greg concerning all things physical training and nutrition. These are absolutely the wise guys when it comes to all things concerning physical training and recovery. The only guy missing is Dr. Schoenfeld. NO DOUBT!

[@TypowyFitnesiak]

Thanks for this!

[@Hyperfluxe]

The only person missing in this discussion is Mike T! He has a ton of recent videos on training throughout, which is essentially maximum adaptive volume. He also programs high stress weeks (above MAV) for work capacity. Also, his project momentum data concludes pretty well that lifters who feel good do better, although those who feel beat up still make progress, it's just not as good. For an athlete who may or may not go to IPF worlds some day, I'd say the sweet spot is point 3-4 on Greg's graph, edging closer to point 3 of course.

[@lloydy3250]

Well hosted, Jeff!

[@samrathbone753]

This was awesome! Very interesting. Great info

[@god6815]

God damn. He wasn’t lying about neck training

[@hamooon]

man you dont hav a llot of subs yet, but looking from the comments they are some quality intelligent peeps, Jeff.

[@strongish9657]

Thank you for this video. Fantastic content.

[@MikeL-42033]

Shows Jeff has been training his neck lol

[@HJAnglez]

These round tables Are the best

[@thomasbotica883]

This is so good man!!

[@alexwise41]

Thanks Jeff, this video is very informative.

[@BohnDe95]

they all look so pissed in the intro hahaha

[@kareemwaseem-6030]

finally, thanks alot jiff

[@bradleygregg3685]

Just now getting around to watching this. Greg's curve at about 55 min is everything. And we need to get a study that starts putting some data points on that curve to prove it. Very good example, though.

[@colabtv]

Yeah he has transformed in 2022.

[@kevinschmidtpowerlifting]

Awesome ! thanks guys !

[@micha3539]

Love this great learning tool