The Würzburg Witchcraft Trials (Occult History Explained)

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@Freddyonacid
@Freddyonacid 3 жыл бұрын
Person: *exists* 17th Century: “WITCH!!!”
@juans8356
@juans8356 Жыл бұрын
Here for AC Hexe
@aka99
@aka99 5 ай бұрын
Mephisto
@Sparkflier
@Sparkflier 17 күн бұрын
Gotta brush up before the game fr
@TheHornedKing
@TheHornedKing 3 жыл бұрын
Ok, that part about the children were sickening. Well, the trials as a whole are sickening, but that part in particular was messed up.
@humanity600
@humanity600 3 жыл бұрын
Jeanne D'Arc will forever be remembered...
@iagoofdraiggwyn98
@iagoofdraiggwyn98 3 жыл бұрын
Some of the most heinous acts are inacted in the name of good... but to use God as a justification for such acts... thats the real heresy.
@humanity600
@humanity600 3 жыл бұрын
@@iagoofdraiggwyn98 🤝
@rebeccafionacornel6558
@rebeccafionacornel6558 3 жыл бұрын
@@iagoofdraiggwyn98 agreed......
@rebeccafionacornel6558
@rebeccafionacornel6558 3 жыл бұрын
@The Horned King.... yup....... i agree with you.......but i think that it was a way that some children thought that they could get their parents or other elders into trouble for trying to stop them (a.k.a the kids) from doing what they, the kids, thought was just fun.........and also as children who would really know what these Witch trials would really do and what they even meant.....i mean, i doubt that even the so called pious Christians never knew what really went on during the trials........these so called witches were actually tortured till they confessed to something they really didn't do.......even some of the people who we know were tortured for witchcraft.......i have an extremely curious mind and i had heard of Wicca and i was like "what is wicca?" and i found out that Wicca is actually a religion and has nothing to do with magic or witchcraft......and witchcraft is just a practice not a religion......like Hoodoo and Voodoo......Hoodoo is a religion with it's roots in Africa while Voodoo is a practice.....Voodoo and Witchcraft is normally seen as dealing with the Black Magic, but i can tell you that there are some people even now who call themselves as white witches.......but i guess that in the medieval period, anything that was out of the ordinary was taken as witchcraft.......even the worship of foreign gods could get you a death sentence, just because in those times all kinds of worship to other "gods" when most of the people were pure Christians and believed that Christ was the one "True" god........such acts were deemed as worshiping the devil......try looking into the whole history of religion and you'll see even worse stuff.......because people on one hand would suffer torture for their god, while some people would just do anything, even to say that they were witches just to stop being tortured to death, only ending up getting burnt at the stake....... both are equally terrible......i think that animals are better in this case, they just kill mainly for food but humans will kill for the smallest of reasons........
@grapeshot
@grapeshot 3 жыл бұрын
Seems like a lot of these witch trials were also about settling old scores.
@gloworm6387
@gloworm6387 3 жыл бұрын
Not only that, but land grabs for power. If a man with much property had only daughters, how convenient to confiscate that property.
@goofybutserious4807
@goofybutserious4807 3 жыл бұрын
I bet Elizabeth Bathory didn't kill all of those servants either.
@rebeccafionacornel6558
@rebeccafionacornel6558 3 жыл бұрын
i agree
@GIBunz
@GIBunz 3 жыл бұрын
They got so bad at one point a dog was accused of witchcraft, but then later pardoned... which is why all dogs go to heaven.
@aubreyackermann8432
@aubreyackermann8432 3 жыл бұрын
@@goofybutserious4807 those records they used to accuse her were probably medical records. She was providing medical treatment to her subjects, and medicine was truly brutal back then.
@kirbymarchbarcena
@kirbymarchbarcena 3 жыл бұрын
The era of witchcraft trials are really bad...but if Twitter and other social medias existed back then could have made it worse
@rebeccafionacornel6558
@rebeccafionacornel6558 3 жыл бұрын
i agree
@user-lr6hw4dq4t
@user-lr6hw4dq4t Жыл бұрын
Basically, humans are same throughout times
@mavrotv3409
@mavrotv3409 Жыл бұрын
yes it is worst now with the social media
@cv507
@cv507 Жыл бұрын
ZtärrchyRpp äint öFäiR€ FööLZ v v
@Jordandeoo
@Jordandeoo 5 ай бұрын
@@mavrotv3409nah in them times it would’ve been way worse
@hannahhybrid8075
@hannahhybrid8075 2 жыл бұрын
Just for the record folks, "intercourse" doesn't always mean of a sexual nature, particularly back then. That part about the children may well have not meant that they'd been accused of sleeping with the devil, they were accused of COMMUNICATING with the devil. That's of course without more information being available on the context, but I thought it might at least help people breathe a little better to know the accusations may not have been of a sexual nature. Though of course, that doesn't mean what happened to them was okay.
@kimm.8800
@kimm.8800 Жыл бұрын
No, not necessarily. Thís was not the Victorian age, this was the 1620s. The children were indeed belived to have had sexual intercourse with the demons, this was not seen as implausable, it was the Devil after all, regardless how implausible it might seem to us with our modern sensibilities. The definition of being a witch was to have sex with the Devil, and these questions were directed against all accused, regardless of age or gender. Children were often believed to have had sex with the devil and his demons; they were asked about this, often did not understand the questions, and sometimes affirmed that they indeed had sex with the demons, without quite understanding what they were saying. The church and religion has always been very occupied with sexual issues. /Historian.
@ella17734
@ella17734 3 жыл бұрын
9:30 "The richest, most attractive and prominent of the clergy have already been executed." That really says almost everything you need to know about what was really motivating the witch trials. Jealously, hate and greed.
@darkxix9098
@darkxix9098 Жыл бұрын
funny how modern witch are seen as ugly,poor,gross,
@joker-hj6mp
@joker-hj6mp 3 ай бұрын
@ella17734 dont practice satanic witchcraft then
@jamesx2464
@jamesx2464 3 жыл бұрын
Love the stories it makes the workday go by real nice. But I would love to see one about Gilgamesh or Nimrod.
@jenferguson5951
@jenferguson5951 3 жыл бұрын
Definitely helping get thru wrk lol
@switchblade625
@switchblade625 3 жыл бұрын
Look up Trey Smith(God In A Nutshell). He has a pretty good explanation of nimrod being enmerkar. And how nimrod is also Osiris, but in ancient Syria he is enmerkar, I think China and India also have their own names for him. Which is interesting research itself, ancient civilizations tell of their deity being killed in a hunting accident by his own kin. And spread along the four corners of the earth. So to me it’s all the same dude. I apologize, I am also fascinated by nimrod
@alostgod6776
@alostgod6776 3 жыл бұрын
Guess your wish cam true
@Element.Nullify
@Element.Nullify Жыл бұрын
Ac hexe has me here lol
@boomboomdoom
@boomboomdoom Жыл бұрын
This was very useful! I've been looking for some rich and well-explained context for one of several witch trials; and managed to find one! Well paced and excellently explained :)
@WuTangClan-og5ml
@WuTangClan-og5ml Жыл бұрын
Now Ubisoft are making an AC game based on this event
@Tkenobi78
@Tkenobi78 Жыл бұрын
Who asked
@WuTangClan-og5ml
@WuTangClan-og5ml Жыл бұрын
@@Tkenobi78 who ?
@Tkenobi78
@Tkenobi78 Жыл бұрын
@@WuTangClan-og5ml asked
@aka99
@aka99 Жыл бұрын
@@WuTangClan-og5ml about witches, possibly witch trials and maybe the wurzburg witch trials but the avareg customer dont know yet as of 2022
@dannyvanhecke
@dannyvanhecke 3 жыл бұрын
And people sometimes say we're living in crazy times.. those people should watch this video.
@reynaldojaen1068
@reynaldojaen1068 3 жыл бұрын
I believe that when people say we are living in crazy times...they mean it in comparison to the amount of educated people there are in regards to population.
@damianmittiga7389
@damianmittiga7389 3 жыл бұрын
Could you also please tell us more about witch trials like: Trier witch trials, Fulda witch trials, pendle witch trials and basque witch trials please.
@aka99
@aka99 Жыл бұрын
maybe
@mariameere5807
@mariameere5807 3 жыл бұрын
Those men were insane. Thank you for the video.☯️
@rebeccafionacornel6558
@rebeccafionacornel6558 3 жыл бұрын
not only that, i would think that the kids were insane as well......i mean for just the attention given to them in front of a huge crowd, that can make any attention seeking kid (or even a grown up) do things to get someone else into trouble, thus acting on their jealousy on someone else's good fortune......actually most of these witch accusations were either because of disease that hit everyone else far more often than except a few......while some were accused of witchcraft because of their success in life..........
@mariameere5807
@mariameere5807 3 жыл бұрын
@@rebeccafionacornel6558 💜🌟
@-RONNIE
@-RONNIE 3 жыл бұрын
It's interesting 👍🏻 keep up the good work
@marcelbakkes9472
@marcelbakkes9472 Жыл бұрын
Here because of AC Codename Hexe. Anyone else?
@supervanilla101
@supervanilla101 Жыл бұрын
Yep, I think it's kinda sad that most people think it's set in Salem when the codename clearly implied HRE...
@lonleybeer
@lonleybeer Жыл бұрын
Yess
@victorrahman
@victorrahman Жыл бұрын
Yep
@aka99
@aka99 Жыл бұрын
@@supervanilla101 tahts because most american onkly know german history in the time of 194 to 1945.
@Me-qy4bd
@Me-qy4bd Жыл бұрын
I’m also here to find out the setting for ac hex to
@aka99
@aka99 Жыл бұрын
you find out the setting for ax hex already?
@elijahwatson3474
@elijahwatson3474 Жыл бұрын
@@aka99 it’s already leaked, but the pentagram that Hexe logo got have two sentences “We work in the dark to serve the light” in German “Mephisto avenge our family” in a occult language
@aka99
@aka99 Жыл бұрын
@@elijahwatson3474 and this means what?
@tylerfuller-battles7436
@tylerfuller-battles7436 3 жыл бұрын
Thomas decided to leave, he had seen everything and was afraid for his life.
@haylihill7041
@haylihill7041 3 жыл бұрын
Poor girl poor beautiful people. Humans are so close minded and judgey
@declerke
@declerke 3 жыл бұрын
People fear what they don't understand
@bubble6853
@bubble6853 2 жыл бұрын
I think us humans are a disgrace.... 😘
@ecuadorexpat8558
@ecuadorexpat8558 Жыл бұрын
I am from Wuerzburg..Lived right across from the Sanderrasen where innocent people were burnt at the Stake..Absolutely sickening what happened then
@spraffman
@spraffman 3 жыл бұрын
Juliusspital's Domina wine is delicious, though. (Juliusspital is a hospital here in Würzburg founded by and named after Julius Echter von Mespelbrunn, one of the prince-bishops in the video)
@gabriellemobley5825
@gabriellemobley5825 Жыл бұрын
very informative thank you
@mathieuleader8601
@mathieuleader8601 3 жыл бұрын
these trials came about due to long-standing grudges
@FelixstoweFoamForge
@FelixstoweFoamForge 3 жыл бұрын
If this sort of thing doesn't make you feel at least slightly sick, there's something badly wrong with you. Also, nice to see some reference to the fact that in at least some witch-trials, it wasn't just a case of eccentric old women who wee the victims.
@jravage77
@jravage77 3 жыл бұрын
After all these years, people are just as fanatical with irrational witch hunts as they ever were.
@sheriffdraws8789
@sheriffdraws8789 Жыл бұрын
Assassins Creed Hexe 🔥
@aka99
@aka99 Жыл бұрын
witch! you will burn!
@JesseJamesIlarraza91
@JesseJamesIlarraza91 3 жыл бұрын
More, please.
@fleetcenturion
@fleetcenturion 2 жыл бұрын
Speaking of Wurzburg, are you ever going to do anything about Abraham of Worms, and the Sacred Magic of Abramelin, from a couple centuries earlier?
@chrisberatis2612
@chrisberatis2612 3 жыл бұрын
Can you please do a video on Hideie Ukita?
@kimeraclan3135
@kimeraclan3135 3 жыл бұрын
Hearing about witch trials such as these ones makes me understand why so many offers of fiction felt the need to dramatize the victims's suffering and draw the clergy in such a bad light. Berserk's death toll may be embellished beyond believe, bit now it feels understandable.
@humanity600
@humanity600 3 жыл бұрын
Cuz it's the unfortunate facts. They read something but omitted all the sensible parts. This was the result...
@hanzohattori7372
@hanzohattori7372 3 жыл бұрын
Interesting story
@crimesagainsthumanity2059
@crimesagainsthumanity2059 3 жыл бұрын
Do videos on the Lovecraftian Mythos.
@MrJoker3005
@MrJoker3005 3 жыл бұрын
Video on santa muerte, hoodoo, and haitian vodou?!
@eastbow6053
@eastbow6053 Жыл бұрын
I Still cant believe that people didnt gather up together to protect themselves against the fanatics especially the rich nobles
@NN-mr5lw
@NN-mr5lw 3 жыл бұрын
If we were to take the heat out of the debate, these trials as almost every massif acte of violence could be seen as some sort of catharsis in the sense of J.P. Leyens and therefore act as a regulator for social dynamics in trouble times. Unfortunately, humans as a group could be quite primitive when impulses and passions take over
@brambourbon6786
@brambourbon6786 7 ай бұрын
Does anyone know where to find Ehrenberg's Chancellor's letter in its original German?
@hughcaires7434
@hughcaires7434 3 жыл бұрын
This is a great example to show the end result of fanaticism.
@ronaldwilliams5189
@ronaldwilliams5189 3 жыл бұрын
It insane what mob mentality can do to an group of people.
@bluefox-pb3ut
@bluefox-pb3ut 3 жыл бұрын
The Italian witch trials consisted of the val camonica witch trials and the triora witch trials
@kimm.8800
@kimm.8800 Жыл бұрын
No, but they are the only ones described in wikipedia. There were others.
@Freshnewz10
@Freshnewz10 3 жыл бұрын
How bout the myth of Nimrod and Seminaris
@dustinrichards7739
@dustinrichards7739 3 жыл бұрын
Man 2020 ain’t so bad
@tyquanfleming8554
@tyquanfleming8554 3 жыл бұрын
In 30 years none of that will matter
@pedrocastillo93
@pedrocastillo93 4 ай бұрын
Assassin's Creed codename hexe I can't wait to play this timeline
@marvindavis4580
@marvindavis4580 3 жыл бұрын
It was so easy to get someone killed back then... All you had to do was call them a witch lol that's what was so messed up about it people would accuse out of spite and there was little to no evidence needed to back the accusation thus leading whoever simply pissed someone off, to lose their life.
@J.F.331
@J.F.331 Жыл бұрын
It makes me glad for our justice system, imperfect as it is, at least actual evidence is presented to the jury.
@seriousblakk
@seriousblakk 3 жыл бұрын
Bet .needed something spooky
@amybrown1161
@amybrown1161 3 жыл бұрын
Disgusting these poor humans
@Sonofgod384
@Sonofgod384 Жыл бұрын
My ancestors did but that’s not me
@yungant33
@yungant33 Жыл бұрын
Battle of Spirituality against Religion.
@justindabbs4429
@justindabbs4429 2 жыл бұрын
Paradise Lost, Pilgrims Progress
@cassandra2249
@cassandra2249 2 жыл бұрын
It's a miracle any one stayed alive. The population of Europe must have plummeted at this time.
@aka99
@aka99 Жыл бұрын
yes. in some extent, but mostly in germany back then and even in germany it differed from region to region.
@haylihill7041
@haylihill7041 3 жыл бұрын
Child abuse
@merlinwizard1000
@merlinwizard1000 3 жыл бұрын
75th
@humanity600
@humanity600 3 жыл бұрын
Just a kind reminder that IN NO WAY DID ORIGINAL BIBLICAL TEXT JUSTIFY THIS. :) Have a great day everyone.
@christinehope6317
@christinehope6317 3 жыл бұрын
Agreed 💯
@humanity600
@humanity600 3 жыл бұрын
@@christinehope6317 😁🤝
@whinda4702
@whinda4702 3 жыл бұрын
I’m an atheist but have always liked the supernatural, I wish it was real, it would be amazing
@tierraokonkwo6671
@tierraokonkwo6671 20 күн бұрын
Hehehe, it is real😂
@jdlambo6926
@jdlambo6926 2 жыл бұрын
One guys name had to be Adolf
@rivumrejex2864
@rivumrejex2864 3 жыл бұрын
Did they ever kill anyone that was really a witch??...
@kimm.8800
@kimm.8800 3 жыл бұрын
Of course not? Witches were defined as people who had made a pact with Satan and Satan does not excist, so it was not possible for witches to excist. People are confused by the word "witch" because nowadays its just about Wicca-people wich is completely different.
@Kurikost_
@Kurikost_ 2 жыл бұрын
did you ever saw a witch? NO? Thats why, they were all killed.............................:)
@nicolesmith5240
@nicolesmith5240 2 жыл бұрын
Most likely not. Most of these people killed was due to jealously, hate, greed, and a mob type of mentality. I think barely anyone who actuality practiced witchcraft was killed. It’s sick how easy it was to take someone’s life or ruin someone’s reputation over a lie.
@aka99
@aka99 Жыл бұрын
@@nicolesmith5240 witch! i saw you with the devil! you worshipped him! found yourself guilty, you spare yourself the horribel pains of torture.
@blazzinga595
@blazzinga595 Жыл бұрын
Most likely yes. As the hunt was as dedicated as it was gruesome. it wasn't all just randomness and mob mentality like the morons told you. Witches did exist. Albeit mentality insane or purely heretical practices that didn't require the ACTUAL existence of satan or evil forces but simply a deity to worship and make offering to.
@nenitaschmidt7197
@nenitaschmidt7197 10 ай бұрын
Germany have the biggest red light mile in the world and the prince owns such establishment.
@EmmaJo-e
@EmmaJo-e Жыл бұрын
Witchcraft trials/executions,madness/insanity,did nobody in those days have any common sense? I know it was a different era, history always has a dark side 📖
@durwinpocha2488
@durwinpocha2488 3 жыл бұрын
The victims of superstition, tormented my heart. So I threw the superstition in the trash and let the people go free. God, then I seen the truth.
@williambehan80
@williambehan80 2 жыл бұрын
Today’s plague is the politician .
@Sharkstankuu
@Sharkstankuu Жыл бұрын
Europe ☕
@iagoofdraiggwyn98
@iagoofdraiggwyn98 3 жыл бұрын
This is hard to watch... not because if the quality, but rather the subject material... innocent blood spilt is unforgivable, much lest forgivable then that of a child.
@papaspride101
@papaspride101 3 жыл бұрын
in all i understand is ;by declaring alfa and omega ,as an antity is wrong ,for a father must understand the son and not deni him of reason ,then and only then is knowledge delt with in a reasonable way ,..if not a son once ,never a father ,just a power gobling ignorante ,and slaying on the follower ,if not agreeing to this is evelish ,adam made no mistake,just ,for if he was to know wright from wrong ,he had to be tought ,not jeluously slayed because of fear that inabites the one who hides ,to proclaim all mighty .i beleive in GOD,so i told him off as a wounded child ,AT HIS IMAGE ,AND DEFEND THE DEVIL ,THEN COMMES ,,,,,,US.
@IceSoLyrical
@IceSoLyrical 4 ай бұрын
This is awful... The kind of stuff do out of fear and kill other people do not know God... They are hypocritical liars.
@cassandra2249
@cassandra2249 2 жыл бұрын
But lets be frank, it's misogyny pure and simple and desperately cruel. It's one of the many episodes of human history that leads me to feel there's little hope for our species.
@morgannyan2738
@morgannyan2738 Жыл бұрын
i guess the male witches were also misogony?
@cassandra2249
@cassandra2249 Жыл бұрын
@@morgannyan2738 What are you on about? hardly any men were convicted of witch craft in this time. All of the witchfinders were men of course. This is not to say that all men were on one side and all women on the other, but it is to say that a certain paradigm played out.
@godrulesme8619
@godrulesme8619 3 жыл бұрын
*Great video and we're probably headed back to the same evil coming soon* .. And we deserve it since we cursed ourselves in this world by allowing abortions and same-sex marriage and so on
@timothysmith4260
@timothysmith4260 3 жыл бұрын
Child sacrifices and Satanic rituals are happening now. This is their time...for now.
@godrulesme8619
@godrulesme8619 3 жыл бұрын
@@timothysmith4260 I wouldn't doubt it and I grew up Catholic so kids were molested in my Catholic High School and kids blessed at all the churches here in Hays Kansas area.. And blessed all around the country so that is a form of satanic sacrifice. The crazy Bible alone says.. Eat My flesh and drink my blood for eternal life and my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink and anybody who feeds upon me will have eternal life. And in our Catholic churches and Christianity they do this on an altar which is sick and satanic. The Bible promotes slavery alone all over the place
@timothysmith4260
@timothysmith4260 3 жыл бұрын
@@godrulesme8619 absolutely my friend, but don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. That Bible is LIFE. That's why the Catholic church didn't want the little man to read it. Catholicism is a gateway drug to the occult or atheism. May Yah keep our doctrines sound
@godrulesme8619
@godrulesme8619 3 жыл бұрын
@@timothysmith4260 ??? So a book that says you can own slaves is life??? if you're the one who's a slave that's not life that's torture and slavery. Wake up.. Christianity is a satanic cult. The New testament even says.. Slaves obey your earthly masters with fear and trembling just as you would your lord Jesus Christ. the New testament even says You must eat flesh and drink blood for your eternal life and the flesh is real food and the blood is real drink... Come on...this is satanic and it even says the flesh is real food and the blood is real drink. no true God would want his son telling others to eat his flesh and drink his blood and even clarify that the flesh is real food and the blood is real drink. the entire Bible is sick for slavery alone and it's crazy you all have brainwashed to support it
@andersa222
@andersa222 2 жыл бұрын
See this is why I’m an atheist yall Christian’s love those type of shits didn’t y’all bibles says no killing and respect people no matter what and always forgive them
@1jotun136
@1jotun136 3 жыл бұрын
This is why it's not enough to be an atheist, you have to be anti-theist.
@joshuawaring4180
@joshuawaring4180 3 жыл бұрын
That sounds so ridiculous. As if nothing cruel was done in the name of science or reason. Should we be anti-science because of the torturous experiments done on animals, in the name of ‘advance’? Or on the victims of MK-Ultra or Hiroshima?
@1jotun136
@1jotun136 3 жыл бұрын
@@joshuawaring4180 I said nothing about science, but since you have.. Science isn't the problem, ethics are. Sure, terrible things have been done using science as a cover, but the method is self correcting. Phrenology was considered a science in the nineteenth century and was used to discriminate against people with less than ideal cranial semetry, but it's long been debunked because real scientists tore it to shreds. Eugenics was considered a science, but it too was rejected by true evolutionary scientists. Is it perfect, no, but it is self correcting. Now for religion. All three of the Abrahamic religions have violence written into their liturgies and many leaders in those religions still justify contemporary violence because of it. I could go on forever, but I assure you, the terror and oppression of religion has done far more damage for far longer than anything done in the name of science.
@Erin-Thor
@Erin-Thor 3 жыл бұрын
So... Witch hunters were basically Republican Trumpets way ahead of their time, destroying people for their idolatry.
@christinehope6317
@christinehope6317 3 жыл бұрын
As a Republican in the Trump supporter I'm just going to say absolutely not bless you but you missed it that time buddy
@Erin-Thor
@Erin-Thor 3 жыл бұрын
@@christinehope6317 - I’m thinking that you meant “as a Trump supporter,” LOL! And please how do you not see the comparison of Trump filing over a hundred lawsuits asserting voter fraud and none being true, riling up his entire support base (you) to believe that Democrats fraudulently stole the election, some ready to “exercise their 2nd amendment rights to defend democracy,” by violently overturning an election result. You have to laugh at the notion of defending democracy by ending it! That is comedy gold! Edit. And “Bless you?” Seriously? You can’t still be pretending to be Christians after supporting the closest thing to the Antichrist we have ever seen! In four years Trump has transformed the Christian Party into the party of lies, prostitution, corruption, and abandoned every principal it once purported to hold. We’re Republicans so let’s hire a life long Democrat to lead us. We are anti+abortion Christians, so let’s elect a president who is not a Christian, parties with Epstein, uses prostitutes, in an open marriage with a former model-escort, has paid for 5 abortions, and there’s a long, long list more.
@justiceadams6623
@justiceadams6623 3 жыл бұрын
@@Erin-Thor damn
@humanity600
@humanity600 3 жыл бұрын
@@Erin-Thor I saw Epstein and instantly was on your side mate. Also...5 abortions? Wtf???
@dzonnyblue3065
@dzonnyblue3065 3 жыл бұрын
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