The Warriors Draft history is not what you think

[@AthleticAlchemy]

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[@vivic8868]

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[@QGuides]

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[@atticus._]

sometimes I question why I, not a warriors fan watch your highly specific warriors dives and honestly it’s all in your delivery and the way you get across information, great stuff man

[@andersonnz6213]

This was a DOPE video 😎 more like this please Alchemy.

[@AthleticAlchemy]

This was a patron video I decided to share on KZbin

[@chewpaeng12]

I feel so old. This was just like yesterday NBA news

[@AthleticAlchemy]

right

[@unbiasOrbit]

Love these type of contents, really enjoy learning abt a team's history!

[@l.r9655]

Everytime i see Gary St Jean on the Warriors TV show I just want to break my 90" Samsung hanging on my wall!

[@AthleticAlchemy]

😂

[@l.r9655]

Why the Warriors even let Gary St Jean into the parking lot is a mystery to me. And why the Warriors hire Dunleavy Jr is another one..... Dunleavy was a bust and so was Gary St Jean. They both need to be banned completely away from the team

[@dhizzle]

Great video! I don't think Larry Riley gets enough credit for being responsible behind the Steph and Klay draft picks (although I don't think he's with GSW anymore). Who would've thought these two snipers, along with Dray in the 2nd rd, would be the ones to shift the entire trajectory of the organization

[@jessepeng1317]

Your last sentence was incorrect, they shifted the entire trajectory of basketball as a sport

[@dhizzle]

@@jessepeng1317 I'd give more credit to Steph as a individual who really changed how the game is played. You can say playing with Steph and Kerr's offense really unlocked the full potential of Klay and Draymond.

[@jamespurcell4642]

I believe JK and Moody will become better than Wagner and Murphy. It's situational trey and Wagner were on lottery teams. Given the opportunity I am certain you will be saying warriors missed. So it's too early

[@CarlosAnthonyDeLeon]

I agree on JK over Wagner, but Trey Murphy is good good

[@iamtheonlywilly]

Kerr gotta play them first. 🤦🏽‍♂️

[@AthleticAlchemy]

They got a chance, I agree JK got a better one than Mood over Murph but its still relatively early

[@tommyharper126]

@@AthleticAlchemyYou don’t take a guy like Wagner over Kuminga. That would’ve got someone fired

[@kvnsotto]

Unc Alc, I’ve been subd for a while and been considering joining your patreon for a minute. This video made me do it.

[@AthleticAlchemy]

🙏🏽 welcome

[@dertyherryfilms6385]

I feel old watching this...lol, I remember all these picks. I've always wondered why Adonal Foyle was never used during the we believe playoff, when in the end the jazz were a bigger team that playoff series.

[@keliimoeanu]

@AthleticAlchemy making a follow up in 5 years, "And in 2023, the Warriors drafted Brandin Podziemski at 19, yet another guard. He could shoot in college, but his shot didn't translate to the NBA. The Dubs passed on best player available Cam Whitmore, who went 20th to the Rockets and went on to be an All Star." Seriously though - I'm rooting for Podz to make it - and I worry about drafting for fit rather than best player available!

[@TheeRobertPhoenix]

I used to work out at the same gym as Adonai. He was a really nice guy. I'm 6'3 and he might have been 6'6 + at best. Just like Dray is closer to 6'3/6'4 than 6'6. Height is almost always inflated by at least 3 inches. They missed out on Brunson in the Evans draft. They also could have had Mitchell Robinson instead of Evans. New Orleans knew the Dubs really wanted Smiley and they drafted him just ahead of the Warriors then flipped picks, got cash and another pick so they could get Kirk's "Jokic." Well they don't have any picks in the next draft as of now so at least they can't blow it next year.

[@AthleticAlchemy]

crazy Adonal could guard the bigs of that era who were much bigger than they are now...

[@ben10in]

not even a warriors fan but the content so good i can't miss a video

[@forestvvv]

great video!! imo also one of the biggest factors at hand was their inability to develop players for years... but for 5-6 seasons it was the exact opposite under mark Jackson & ultimately until Steve Nash left to become head coach in bk

[@exa4973]

Its the thing no one dares speeking about; Kerr cant/wont develop young players. If he's giving an option to play a decending old f*ck of an ascending young player and they are at the same point, Kerr will play the old f*ck. Poole got to develop bc Kerr had no choice. Thats also how Looney got playing time and McCaw.

[@CorbinAdamsLE]

This was a creative video, given the fact there’s really no content to talk about. What do you think of folks tthe warriors had in the facility the past couple weeks?

[@AthleticAlchemy]

Ill speak on it here soon

[@CorbinAdamsLE]

@@AthleticAlchemy dope.

[@johnny7808]

Another way to measure draft history is to ask who are the only two teams since the merger to draft 3 guys and get 4 rings from them. Dubs and Spurs are it. Moody is on track to be Looney part 2. Smart and humble keeps coming to work doing whatever he can to add value, eventually becomes a key piece of a champion.

[@AthleticAlchemy]

I get your point. But too simple for me

[@johnny7808]

@@AthleticAlchemy No doubt. Just wanted to give the team some love

[@Isaac-r2m]

That is a good argument. Like if you're a scientist: would you rather solve problems we already understand or have 1 game changing equation like e=mc2? But that is also a rare thing to achieve

[@mndflctzn]

Dumb take. You don't draft Curry you get zero rings. Dubs already had a point guard. Doesn't matter. Draft talent not position.

[@l.r9655]

Don't forget we traded Penny Hardaway for 1yr of C-Webb 😢😢😢😢

[@AthleticAlchemy]

Who would you have taken long term if they would have stayed? I Know Penny's peak was better but...

[@robinweber9640]

@@AthleticAlchemy Webber was the big hit we'd been waiting for. So many swings and misses on Big Men and we had our guy. Never should have traded him no matter what drama there was. Tom Gugliotta was not the guy

[@l.r9655]

​@@AthleticAlchemy I'll take Penny over Webber can't really go wrong with either one.but Unfortunately only our Warriors could mess that up🥵🥵🥵🥵

[@YersiniaPestisNPO]

The warriors falling in love with eloquent big men wearing nice suites

[@amitaimariouriarte8297]

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[@AthleticAlchemy]

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[@voltage1106]

Nice job. Astute noting Dub's "misses" when "drafting for need." It's safe to say they just haven't had front office people who were good at evaluating talent. To this day. But you have to wonder what the roster would've looked like over the years (or even now) if they'd just drafted the "best player available," and instead traded for "need."

[@510MyTube]

seeing podz looking avg in the summer league has me worried. he was so passive in scoring and his def was sus. having cam whitmore ball out too has me already second guessing dunleavy intution in drafting.

[@manuelr1079]

I love the final best player available that’s the best option for me cause U can get more from then (trade)even though u stash on that position

[@l.r9655]

This video hurts so bad😪😪😪😪

[@kerwinjohnson1349]

Excellent summary.

[@javierlandaverde4108]

Wished Warriors would have handled Smiley better. Saw him at Santa Cruz. Flashed shooting, handles, passing, offensive rebounding a good touches around the basket. Given the few opportunities and minutes. He impressed a couple times for the team.

[@Cikun9999]

Uncle alchemy we must have some of the worst draft history

[@robinweber9640]

No way we were OK with the Dunleavy pick. We took him over Shane Battier, the National Player of the Year that also played for Duke. Battier didn't became a superstar but he was an outstanding defensive player and not a bust like Dunleavy. History repeated when he we took Jacob Evans over the National Player of the Year, Jalen Brunson in 2018. I called both those with ease

[@Chris_Swish_OtM]

Then they need to start signing some veteran bigs in free agency who are more finished products

[@MyMiniMovieMagic]

Tracy McGrandy sounds like they bake a mean chocolate chip cookie!

[@genethicc]

i love u uncle alc

[@enzocree515]

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[@AthleticAlchemy]

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[@Hensley_Jb]

Damn unc it’s been a minute

[@AthleticAlchemy]

what up

[@BuddhaGBahia]

I'd forgotten that we didn't draft Erick Dampier

[@WeMoomingNow]

Both JK and Mood were best “player available” picks, I think they are gonna be good

[@jordybeans2392]

Great video yo!!!

[@soleil3gs]

What an incredible video 🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@JOEMCKINLEY3]

9 seconds in, you brought back my teenage pain

[@blangtonclickdark]

Not to mention the swap of Robert Parish and the pick that became Kevin McHale for Joe Barry Carroll. This is what started the agonizing multi-decade sucking, with the brief exceptions of Run TMC and We Believe.

[@manuelr1079]

Whilmore why don’t take a chance on me 😂😂😂

[@214silk2]

The we believe team is the reason I’m a Warriors fan The year J Rich did the dunk contest Seeing Shaun Livingston overcome that Afro and horrendous injury. Monte Ellis small era (hate he didn’t wanna play with Steph) Watching Curry at Davidson Man good times 😊

[@jeronshepherd]

I said it then and ima say it now, we should have drafted lamelo

[@milushardwick2404]

They wouldn't have won the 2022 Finals with Lamelo

[@jeronshepherd]

@@milushardwick2404 how when wiseman didn't even play. Melo would have contributed

[@milushardwick2404]

@@jeronshepherd think about the guards who did contribute who would he have replaced? Or who would you have liked him to play over in 2022?

[@TheeRobertPhoenix]

I agree. He was the BPA. The whole potential side drama of Lavarr and Dray would have been worth it.

[@toysandcollectibles74-10]

Only one explanation for the success “Jerry West”

[@waikit828]

I was still very frustrated about swapping Vince Carter with Jamison 😑

[@AthleticAlchemy]

it was tough and I loved Twan for what he was

[@Lancet711]

I remember when we drafted Victor Alexander and Chris Gatling. I knew we would never start these guys even though the fans wanted a big center. I liked Biedrins but man, he was a worse FT shooter than Shaq. The Richmond trade was Webber’s fault. That one will always haunt me. They broke up TMC.

[@diablejambe3460]

Def havent had a great draft history lol. But at the same time, had things been better in the past, we most likely wouldnt have had the current big three and all the success with them. Yeah u never know and perhaps we couldve had similar success in the past but these things rarely happen. So the fact we have had this group of players for the last decade plus is still sth that makes me happy. Sidenote, ill admit im not a lifelong dubs fan so i didnt really go through the bad years. Not from the states so usually just supported certain players or teams i liked, but never like i was a real fan of a team. Fell in love with steph in 2011-2012 and started to fall in love with the team as a whole. Told myself before the dubs became great that this was my team from here on out. I know this wont last for much longer but its been a great ride and yeah, ill be with the dubs whether they r good or bad.

[@GBnHawaii]

Too soon... still painful. Do whatever you can to bring back Jerry West.

[@milushardwick2404]

It's funny because Dell played with Vince in Toronto

[@HillProductions2]

It was hard to relive those bad draft years. However, four titles later, it’s all good, thanks to “Basketball Jesus.” 😂

[@jourdanzero9312]

U forgot podziemsky

[@markchan2512]

What’s true is Warriors dont have any luck drafting a big. Foyle, Joe Smith, Fuller, who else.. Someone: WISEMAN!

[@exa4973]

Moody and JK are hits if they get a role and minutes. Remenber KD saying management and coaching made his dust up with Draymond weird by not talking about is? The same way nobody is talking about the coaching staff messing up Moody and JK. You cant explain Moody riding the bench all season long but getting play off minutes and playing well. If you couldnt get him to play like that during the season thats on coaching, not the player. Same for JK. He played well in absence of Wiggens but then you bench him? For both dudes its: give them minutes, play to their strengths. Kerr is a good coach but he's not a Popovich. When Aldridge wasnt working out Pop talked to him and changed the way he used him and played to his strenghts. Next thing you know LA thrived. When Danny Green messed up Pop cursed his ass out BUT put him back in because you learn by playing, not by sitting on the bench (we would all be all stars if watching was all it took). Let's be real. there is a difference in the way Mike Brown coached Keegan Murray up, and the dubs staff coached the young guys down.

[@peterkuchenbrod5696]

Drafting for need almost always a regrettable decision. You'd think that teams would have learned from Portland and Sam Bowie.

[@qb335]

Is Lester Quinones Jordan Poole 2.0? Because Lester is nice🔥💯

[@alitoroganan2442]

Jp is quicker tho

[@johnny7808]

have not noticed lester taking ill advised 30 footers

[@somone1437]

@@johnny7808and lester doesn't always turn over the ball in crucial moment

[@alitoroganan2442]

@@somone1437 what crucial moment? He hasn't played on that moment yet😅

[@l.r9655]

Todd Freakin Fuller!!!!😪😪😪😪

[@mndflctzn]

Never ever draft for position. That's plain ignorant. Anyone on the YMCA floor knows you pick the best player..

[@plethora21]

Placing a higher value on fit + floor actually makes sense in the Warriors' current context. The Warriors can't afford to keep everyone, so you get the best value if you draft a guy that can contribute for a few years before you have to decide who leaves to make the salary work. The issue with Wiseman is that he was neither BPA, best fit, nor game ready. Dude was not suited for the role the Warriors wanted from him and this was obvious before the draft. If you are taking a flier on tools and this guy needs to reinvent their game to fit your team, they are not worth the #2 pick. This role could have been filled by the TPMLE too, so why the hell did they even spend a #2 pick to overpay for a worse performing guy than someone they could have gotten in FA. They even had Chriss on the team, who was already good enough as a 3rd string center (shame that injuries derailed his career, but that is hindsight). Fans like to complain about the Warriors lacking size, but often times, size (at the 5) comes at a cost. IMO, the value of size isn't in the playoffs. It's in the regular season where it can lessen the wear and tear on Dray and Looney. This was my opinion in 2020 and it hasn't changed. The team's championship in 2022 validates it.

[@RV1AND]

It wasn't about his role for the Warriors, or fit. It was a pure upside play. At the time the dynasty looked like it could be over, with KD gone, Klay having missed a year with a torn ACL, and the worst record in the league. The front office knew they were going to be good enough to prevent another top 3 pick, but good enough to compete for a title? That was a total unknown. They figured it was their one chance to get a top talent with maximum upside even if the floor was low and the fit wasn't ideal. I'm sure they hoped he would have the length/athleticism to contribute to at least a Javale McGee level in the near-term, but that pick was really about the long-term. It was a home run swing that whiffed embarrassingly (I do think there's plenty of room for criticism of that strategy though, to me they didn't need to take a home run swing at that time).

[@AthleticAlchemy]

No I Agree, once KD arrived the traditional philosophy couldn't be followed

[@plethora21]

@@RV1ANDWiseman has slow feet and is averse to physical contact. Those are both horrible traits for a big man to have and those traits were apparent before he was drafted. At the time, I felt that LaMelo had higher upside, was a better fit, and was safer. And I wasn't a LaMelo stan either. I did not feel great about the idea of drafting LaMelo, but I sure as hell preferred him over Wiseman.

[@RV1AND]

@@plethora21 I mean yeah he sucks, we know all this now. I don't know jack about prospect evaluation though, I just read what other people are saying. He was mocked as a top 3 pick constantly at the time. It was a big risk, but not a reach.

[@alitoroganan2442]

Man y'all drafted the rock and how he ended up in sac???

[@AthleticAlchemy]

I know I know ... I could have went back even further into the mistakes but I wanted to speak from having real context and remembering it

[@Godspeed253]

Dope vid🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@drzooz]

Add JB Carrol to the big man list, bad luck there.

[@MaximumEfficiency]

Todd Fuller FTW!

[@l.r9655]

Vinsanity traded for Antawn Jamison!!😢😢😢

[@nailzconnely1490]

they never drafted good if they had a higher pick they probably pass on curry

[@mndflctzn]

Wiseman was a massive miss

[@SSSMOR.]

U forgot about chris porter in 2000 and vonteego Cummings in 1999 that's two more busts and there not big men lol

[@rdumontdebeque]

I forgot about those guys. Does Porter count as multiple busts?

[@SSSMOR.]

@@rdumontdebeque no he doesn't I just thought it was funny he skipped 99 and 00 drafts

[@MrOuest]

Because Dubs didn't actually improve their roster in the off-season, I would expect equal to or worse than last season's results for this season. The anti-hype is real and I couldn't care less about the upcoming season.

[@iamtheonlywilly]

I don’t what the strategy is by waiting until everyone they coulda traded for is gone. I have no high expectations unfortunately. I am a pessimist

[@AthleticAlchemy]

Im hyped for the season, I think we are going to be a lot better

[@l.r9655]

​@@AthleticAlchemycp3 is trade bait for a big🙏

[@flawlessmsc]

Warriors have been drafting absolute trash for last couples of years