I hate how they gave mid or underpowered defenders a 1.5, which made them be picked way more, then nerfed other parts of their kit, and then removed the 1.5 without giving them a buff. Like Alibi, for example.
@Entitusschule2 ай бұрын
At least Alibi has a pretty strong mainweapon and her ability isn't that great of course, but sometimes it comes in clutch.
@eclipticpeak84522 ай бұрын
@Entitusschule idk. I used to be able to control it. Now it feels like Miras gun, except it's weaker than trying to punch someone in a nightmare.
@majin883522 күн бұрын
Absolutely. No recompensation for their workarounds. Alibi, Thorn, etc. were all robbed of their utility kits, and solely for pick rate reasons. Ubi sold us lol
@Lxkeyyyyyy20 күн бұрын
@@eclipticpeak8452 miras gun has like no recoil and even on goyo there isnt that much
@eclipticpeak845220 күн бұрын
@Lxkeyyyyyy I missspoke. It feels like miras gun with way more recoil and way less damage.
@mohammadjavadshabani62562 ай бұрын
I think giving her the kali and clash secondary smg instead of the one she already has would be a great start.
@lemur21512 ай бұрын
Or just the acog
@mohammadjavadshabani62562 ай бұрын
@@lemur2151 no please no.
@BMP2 ай бұрын
Thats actually a good idea, would make her shotgun more viable
@mohammadjavadshabani62562 ай бұрын
@@BMP exactly what I had in mind
@coleanderson80352 ай бұрын
@@BMP No shotgun is really viable anymore due to the laser sight rework
@Redmont_2 ай бұрын
whats up with siege youtubers using fake characters on their thumbnails like its not that hard to put the fricking character you want to talk about
@harry_r62 ай бұрын
Nah you see, that would lose him the views from all those who clicked on this video just because they were curious who he was talking about
@Redmont_2 ай бұрын
@@harry_r6 thats called clickbait
@harry_r62 ай бұрын
@@Redmont_ yeah, and there's nothing wrong with this level of clickbait. My boy here gotta get the views somehow
@Redmont_2 ай бұрын
@@harry_r6 48.8k aint enough for someone?????? Disappointing if you clickbait with that number of subs
@Belac022 ай бұрын
It would ruin the point of the video if he just put Thorn on the thumbnail... he'd get no views.
@Sovreign0712 ай бұрын
IMO, the Trajectory Pre-Vis is a buff to Thorn as well. Or at least an anti-nerf. Because her Razorblooms spin when thrown, it was tricky to get them into tighter spaces, or accidentaly hit map geometry you weren't aiming for. While I agree her gadget needs a buff (either shorter trigger delay, or shorter wind-up time), I have LOTS of fun playing her. Now that razorwire damages Attackers, they'll usually take the time to melee it, assuming they don't have a gadget for that. Set up a Razorbloom in a blindspot, and even if you don't kill, or even injure them, you and your team will know roughly where they are! It's a deadly little Proximity Sensor. She also pairs GREAT with other trap ops, like Kapkan or Lesion. Set up a Razorbloom outside a trapped door, and most Attackers might panic and rush in before clearing the Kapkan traps, and boom! Or a lesion mine can slow them down just enough to not escape the radius! Weak? Sure! Weakest? Maybe. Useless? Not by a mile!
@allancoelho69052 ай бұрын
Combo thorn with lesion on cqb maps like coastline or outback and the attackers, most likely won't make it out of the breach, too much map control and information Also, her gadget is the only weak part in her kit, the rest is pretty strong actually
@YT_DIVINE12 ай бұрын
You ain’t
@kakugowaii58542 ай бұрын
Melusi and Frost are Thorn's best friends, I always place down my Razorblooms by them if they're on the board
@ciarajones49702 ай бұрын
Thorn is slept on, if you know how to place her traps properly and use her secondary gadgets to utilize her razor blooms then its easy to get a few kills with just a gadget alone. you don't just throw her gadget in random spots. utilize the ceiling and the shield and wire to slow down attackers, utilize her gadget on the stairs. She gets hate over a skill issue.
@beasty8ths2 ай бұрын
literally you can save them and throw on a monty covering diffuser you can use barb wire and a teammates melusi to get kills with her gadget ppl just want it to be easy and overpowered
@goldenblyat46812 ай бұрын
3:55, low picked operator? She’s doing better than a considerable amount of them, she is statistically balanced. I get that her gadget is meh but in a frag heavy meta her gun is great even with a lack of acog
@Amifai2 ай бұрын
As a thorn main who kept maining her since solar raid because of the nice uzk gun was , I was happy that she got a 1.5 but then it sadly got removed, her gun is still very strong and hard hitting imo still and her ability can be used with any slow down operators/ barbed wires
@ciarajones49702 ай бұрын
thorn is underrated. I use her gadget with a shield. her gadget are best used on stairs and the ceiling.
@Niko-kw7rg2 ай бұрын
The only time I saw people fighting for her was in the y9s1 test server where she had an acog
@BMP2 ай бұрын
Yeah if she got Acog people would pick her all the time, and for the wrong reasons
@Niko-kw7rg2 ай бұрын
@@BMP real
@kubaniezyje2252 ай бұрын
This is not the weakest defender to EVER touch this game, its the weakest defender currently touching this game. The video should be called the defender that got managed worst by ubisoft; there literally is a section about how her popularity exploded and she was picked extremely often
2 ай бұрын
you have something missing. they gave 1.5 to the thorn because a new thorn elite was coming. After the elite reliase they removed it. so it was a scam. This is a big thing that you didnt mention in the video.
@jannikhansen10172 ай бұрын
Hey, Beast. Your videos are great, and one topic has interested me for a long time. Maybe its worth to make a video about it. I would love to see a video about " the evolution of cheaters". Or something like that.
@BMP2 ай бұрын
Yeah that is a video on my idea list right now. I plan on releasing sometime next week if I have time 🤞
@mtabikh482 ай бұрын
Bruh i was expecting Tatchanka to be on here 😭
@jaychip23672 ай бұрын
I thought this as well 😭😭
@memegod67502 ай бұрын
He's not as bad as people say he is. His gadget is a bit weak, and does need a buff, but that DP-27 is an absolute monster. An automatic DMR, with very little recoil, high destruction, and a 70 round magazine. People will say it has a low fire rate, because Siege players are used to guns that empty their entire magazine in 0.5 seconds.
@kenzieret2 ай бұрын
his lmg alone makes him decent pretty much guaranteed 2 shot to the body hes busted rn
@user-ju1pp2he4k2 ай бұрын
@@memegod6750and Kapkans gun with a acog
@iamyourhusband17572 ай бұрын
His LMG is extremely good, can hold a long prefire with it too and snap to another target instead of letting go of the trigger.
@aqibfreed4672Ай бұрын
Just give her a machine pistol and 5-6 razor blooms. If the gadget is so weak that its useless, its undeniable having more of them would atleast help her control an area of the map better.
@The_voices_are_getting_louder_2 ай бұрын
Thorn, nokk and thunderbird are pretty trash now, as usual ubi doesnt know balancing and they were nerfed into the ground at somepoint
@Goodly_on_YT2 ай бұрын
imo thunderbird is 10x more useless then thorn, since rook does her job but at the start of the round, and her c4 being gone just sealed the deal
@FreQ_97Ай бұрын
Good buff for her would be to make gadget bulletproof when IT is in activation mode and its about to explode. Something like IT is with Flores drones
@RbNChubbz2 ай бұрын
I think giving her 5 gadgets would help her a lot. Makes it so you have good sound queues at least. You’d also cover more ground like Kapkan. Or make it more like kapcan where it automatically goes off if you’re in the radius and reduce dmg taken to like 75-50 depending on how close
@gabrielbarcelos60892 ай бұрын
its really easy to buff her, give her 6 of her gadget, reduce the timer to explode it by 75% but it deals way less damage, since it will became almost instant, make it deal 30 damage or so (independent of the distance). She will be like kapkan, but a bit less OP. Here's why, ever since its triggered by distance, you HAVE to trigger one first before the other one, so one razor will always destroy another one, so you will need to spread them in the bomb site and use it to gather more intel and hurt the attackers.
@Mr.TerrormanHrr22 күн бұрын
Please don't cook again
@Wikkid1242 ай бұрын
"Salis" Bro theres a O in there 😂
@VexuKoji2 ай бұрын
I feel like the nerf hit Solis harder than fenrir
@FuckSum92 ай бұрын
Fenrir imo got almost better yet fair
@FreQ_97Ай бұрын
Thorn's gadgets works only with other OPs. For example Frost and Thorn, Melusi and Thorn, Clash and Thorn but my favorite is Thorn and Goyo Duo. U are placing Ur mines directly on goyo's gadgets and now IT triggers Goyo tanks when attacker is in range and its hard to stop it. If u want to shoot down Thorn's mine most likely u will trigger Goyo. In right placent even when attackers just sprints nearby that trap combo he cant go back because of goyo explosion so many times attacker is forced to being in danger zone with no way out
@goga.games182 ай бұрын
Idk I'll do so good with thor mainly because of her smg still great without 1.5x (use extended since it has no recoil) and combining her grenade with razor wire works surprisingly often you just need to hide her grenade well and put it in good spots.
@yoStricken2 ай бұрын
these videos aren’t the quality of daily uploaded videos. this feels like the quality of a once a week video. idk how you create such great quality videos in such short amount of time but kudos to you fr. great videos recently brother!
@BMP2 ай бұрын
I appreciate that mate! Trust me it's been a grind. But being off of college on summer break helps lol
@ChronoTheRobo2 ай бұрын
I think they should remove long barrel on Thorn's gun and give it back the damage it used to have, they can keep the gun as 1x sights only. I think they should also either slightly reduce the detonation timer of the Razorblooms and keep them the same damage or significantly reduce it but also lower the damage, similar to how they worked in the most recent doctors curse and also how Kapkan's traps went from visible laser 1 shot to invisible laser 2 shot. Potentially if they wanted to put in the effort for a full on rework have them be the only 2 mode defender trap in the game where one mode is the slow timer, full radius, full damage explosion and the other is the faster timer, smaller radius and lower damage mode possibly indicated by a different sound playing when triggered.
@KourGD2 ай бұрын
Her ability is pretty good if used well or paired with other operators, say you could make a hole in the floor where defualt plant is and place your razerbloom there to deny default. Shes aslo realy good paired with other operaters like melusi or any op with barb wire. Also now you can self rez in frist mats so placing a razerbloom next to a mat is a good strat.
@canimanamino24332 ай бұрын
New comers opinion, so you know, take with a grain of salt. I feel like thorn is in a similar position as Tachanka. Both are considered bad operators, but have some very strong potential. However, that potential is hard capped. Tachanka is so much better than smoke or goyo at making a permenent barrier, or multiple barriers that can last a solid minute straight. However, his lower damage, long reload, and low aoe, he is best in very specific contexts. When an attacker can only go one or two ways, effectively. Thorn is like that in the sense that shes being played wrong. She isnt kapkan, shes thorn. Her gadget isn’t meant to kill people, just like a grenade in modern siege isnt meant to kill. They can, and you want them to, but if you expect them to, theyll fall short. Thorn forces you to move. That angle? Not for you anymore. A thorn trap forces attackers to pull back, or ideally, push forwards. The problem is, there are pretty niche circomstances where that is aplicable, and when it is, it takes game knowledge to utilize. Which means you need to play thorn before youve optimized using her. Great potential, but only for those willing to bite the bullet and sit through grinding skill on her.
@ImKa1eb2 ай бұрын
I feel with Thorn you could either buff her gadget via increase speed, and make her damage less like they did with Kapkan, or go another route and give her an acog which I think would increase her pick without it going overboard.
@wenomechainsama29622 ай бұрын
How I would buff Thorn: Added: Magnification Sights on Uzi Razor Bloom: Detonation increased by 1.5x This might be overpowered but at least she would be chosen.
@nikoschaitas137825 күн бұрын
She had to lose the ACOG. She was insanely annoying in fights that she shouldn't be able to handle with a SMG just because she had the 1.5. Her gadget could definitely use a buff but I think there are worse operators than her.
@Raffferr2 ай бұрын
The op on the thumbnail is so fire I pressed the video. Checked comments and pressed off. Now im just gonna go to sleep angry.
@darkcabinproductions45752 ай бұрын
Thorn is amazing bro she gives great intel of nothing else and if you put a good trap you can force somebody into a room or kill someone. And her gun is great
@tribalknives24 күн бұрын
Funny part is that thorn can get kills if the enemies aren't that bright... I would know because my friend gets atleast 2 a round
@Rorywizz2 ай бұрын
I like using thorn shotgun and C-75 to make her a useful anti-shield operator. I really think she should have four or even five Razorblooms or increase their damage radius by a lot. Her primary smg could also do with a slight buff but otherwise her loadout is fine.
@Shoot_to_chill2 ай бұрын
This may be too much of a a buff but if they were to make the gadget over powered but making it act like a c4 that can be pre placed and makes no sound and you activate it by interacting with it like Fenrir but to keep it balanced maybe make the falloff range lower so it wouldn’t be a 1 shot all the time but it would do significantly more damage than an individual Kapkan trap but it would take info or clever timing to work well
@KnuxSD2 ай бұрын
her gadget is only really bad if you have a small brain
@tyleryt29572 ай бұрын
I think they should lower the detonation time on the razorblom but also nerf the damage to balance it out
@jamestang31232 ай бұрын
Make thorn traps bulletproof but extend the time of the trap activating, that way it acts similar to that of a melusi trap with a secondary purpose as a proxy barrier like smoke making it another "if you're dumb enough to stay you die" gadget. This can act as a proxy/intel trap if placed in rooms attackers use to take site, but its primary use would be for trap intel kind of like ela since the common sense braindead solution to a thorn trap is to un-ads, and run before your team blockades into a copper stack moshpit at the nearest exit. This will give thorn a great unique playstyle as an aggressive roamer that can force attackers out of rooms where she can either surprise flank, or force attackers to rush site. However, the most flawed thing about this change is simply logic because all traps can be shot and most traps dont have a protective layer like melusi. Although gameplaywise it is the best solution, if we're going for maintaining some logic then js make the traps invis like og lesion. I think being bulletproof is a better characteristic for trap gadgets than being slightly visible, so to compensate for that activation time should be faster. Sadly, I don't think ubi can make the actual ideal balance change which is to change the color of her hair and give her a soul, because some things in life are truly too good to be true
@Iglerich3 күн бұрын
I play Thorn a LOT! And in my opinion she is one of the best defenders out there.
@griff124019 күн бұрын
0:48 blame Evan Braddock for this one 😔
@WolfBotTaillour2 ай бұрын
Nerf nerf nerf, fucking hell do ubisoft ever buff anything
@Eddy-vt7dr2 ай бұрын
Did the 1.5x on MPX make people forget how shit Warden actually is?
@Mr.TerrormanHrr22 күн бұрын
It's not like people who only use the 1.5× use their abilities anyways
@WillythewormАй бұрын
Give thorns razor bloom a 20% faster activation speed and see how it turns out and make it faster or slower depending
@brysonblasingame45792 ай бұрын
I think thorn would be better if the gadget was like a Semtex gernade. You pull it out then it turns red and the timer starts then you throw it like a gernade but on defense
@jacksonjabba2 ай бұрын
Sorry I like wasn’t actively playing siege for a while, but why the fuck would they have nerfed nokk and thunderbird, 2 of the worst operators in the game. Like I can never a remember a time either of them were good
@BMP2 ай бұрын
Thunderbird had a STUPID high pick rate on console from what ik, and nokk was one of the strongest attackers in the game before grenade cooking was removed.
@YT_DIVINE12 ай бұрын
If you use melusi and thorns barbed wire you can get a guaranteed kill
@kopekartsandmusic952 ай бұрын
Here’e how I see it: Thorn sucks because her gun does less damage and has a low magazine capacity. On top of that, it is easy to dodge her razor bloom due to it’s 2.5 second detonation time. So, why doesn’t UBI make the razorbloom’s detonation time 1-1.5 seconds, and give her gun more damage (or expand the volume of her magazine). What I’m thinking for the heavier details: increase the mag capacity to 26+1 or increase the damage by 6-8 hp. Thoughts? I wish to see some critical commentary
@benhall37152 ай бұрын
yeah making the razor bloom any shorter than 2 seconds will become far to difficult to get out on time, likely impossible if combined with melusi or a barb wire, ioncreasing the damage will help yet maybe instead of that as increasing it will only be good for atleast 1 damage so that she can 3 bullet kill a 2 speed, instead to really bring her into the meta i think increasing the fire rate from 700 to maybe 740-60 will make the gun alot more powerful.
@steeveedragoon19 күн бұрын
We've been stuck with the bad ADS speed for 3 years now!? Why does anyone play this game?
@LongFry2 ай бұрын
Consider this edging streak… Busted! 😂
@JEDLA7772 ай бұрын
Watched this video while playing a ranked and decided to play throns and we won 😅
@cheesywaffle676125 күн бұрын
They should make it so you can cook the grenade
@supernatural.unicornАй бұрын
thunderbird is bad literally the worst character nobody picks or bans them so they nerf her??? 💀 ubisoft
@boryslavw25042 ай бұрын
Before I click on the video I'm gonna guess it's thunderbird
@kanwalshafique14362 ай бұрын
I prefer kapkan more than thorn even tho thorns ability can one shot and kapkans cant atleast kapkans explode on instant
@primedirective243 ай бұрын
if you say so
@your_gatsu2 ай бұрын
her gadget is literally a frag grenade that warns you + is shootable and destroyable, ALSO heavily countered by brava. Frost is a much better version of her i believe
@your_gatsu2 ай бұрын
alone, the fact that she got only high picks because she had a acog added to her gun should tell you enough about her
@primedirective242 ай бұрын
@@your_gatsu I didn’t watch the video, i just commented cus i was super early.
@BMP2 ай бұрын
You could argue thunderbird is worse, but thorn is genuinely awful
@supernatural.unicornАй бұрын
thorn had a acog…. ubisoft
@gragglemound2 ай бұрын
So we gonna ignore how jager got fucking killed then replaced by wamai
@isune73542 ай бұрын
THORN IS ALMOST 3 YEARS OLD WTF NOOO SHES NEW OPERATOR
@emmanuelpharr93772 ай бұрын
You should give reason on why she was not a good operator
@yotedelote2 ай бұрын
I don’t think I’ve ever gotten or seen somone get killed by a thorn gadget lmao
@BMP2 ай бұрын
Exactly she is not great to say the least
@theomcclain84982 ай бұрын
Soo she's only weak to you because of the sight gone. So you don't play her how she should be. I pick her for her gadget and get plenty of kills or plenty of help warning from a push or making them retreat plenty of times. You don't pick her for sights man.
@not_SharkyKid2 ай бұрын
I use Thorn for audio queues or with frost
@th4h32 ай бұрын
Thorn is fine, she is ok with her guns and mini smg
@EliasCarpenter-r8n2 ай бұрын
I use thorn all the time, I get the most ridiculous kills. And I play with many others who choose thorn as well, is it because of the new meta?
@Wiffle9902 ай бұрын
Hey Ubi, buff the gadget, not the gun!!! Its not doing anything bc they're just gonna take it away!!
@walter74542 ай бұрын
8:40 sir?
@Sakawopzu2 ай бұрын
i really wish this guy could immediately say which operator he's talking about, i'm not sure why but i just don't like when videos do this kind of thing, maybe it's just my short attention span
@RattlebonesTheThird2 ай бұрын
Nah it's 100% ur attention span. This is a long form video, not a short
@Sakawopzu2 ай бұрын
@@RattlebonesTheThird I just really dislike when they don't at least immediately say what they're talking about, to know if it's worth watching or not
@epicfortnitekid85362 ай бұрын
Yeah his attention span probably sucks but that doesnt stop the video from needlessly rambling up until he gets to the point. He could have condensed that intro to a brief statement and still started from the same place
@Akoththejudge2 ай бұрын
3:07 tacticool roll
@Ermwhattheflip12 ай бұрын
that was actually fucking awesome
@Subman2352 ай бұрын
Bro its thender brid
@STRAIGHFACE2 ай бұрын
She not the weakest tachanka or alibi are more useless in my eyes
@paprikagames2 ай бұрын
Wtf nah thorn is strong people just dont know how to play her
@LiamVickerss19 күн бұрын
For me Thorn was never good never used never seen by me
@randomguy510902 ай бұрын
See I love thorn
@lionz5392 ай бұрын
holy shit stop yapping get to the story
@ghostkillerjeslavni3 ай бұрын
2 likes in a minute? you fell off
@BMP2 ай бұрын
For real, the fall off of Beastmodplayer needs to be studied