The Westworld Pre-Show Ep5 with Hax Dogma and Justin Thomas

[@nydabeats]

I think people are missing the part where the Dolorous clones are copied over other host minds. When the hale Dolorous was saying she could "feel her trying to claw her way out" I don't think she was talking about Hale, thats a misdirect, she was talking about whoever the original host mind was that got copied over. So I think these clone Dolorouses are slowly going to revert back to their former minds or mentally break down.

[@weareorigin]

That was a lifetime of data from the previous mind, that got overwritten by Dolores.

[@pumpuppthevolume]

so basically the show Devs is a prequel to Westworld.... the box is basically Rehoboam :P or the other way around because of the accuracy of the box

[@Perfecc101]

Serac told Charlotte he needs the mind mapping data. He didn’t say I need “the data” so it’s only specifically the mind mapping. And that is to not only predict people, but to control them. Also, I think he wants the information on what they were doing with James Delos. I could imagine Serac wants to merge with Rehoboam.

[@JoniukasVader]

In Deep!

[@MsZeeZed]

To address the “DNA holds memory” comment, I assume Justin is referring to “junk DNA” that is inherited down the millennia, but not expressed. “DNA memory” is one hypothesis for explaining what this is, but in the Westworld mythos “commented-out code” would be a better way of think of this. For example, somewhere in our junk DNA could be an instruction set for gills, which in a changing planetary environment could be of great advantage, however to adopt them you have to sacrifice your lungs, hence its not advantageous to express them right now so we’ll wait for a mutation & extreme environment to express it. “Commenting-out” for those who don’t know is when you want to replace a line of program code with another, but you want to change your mind about that later, you add in the new code lines, but you keep the old program lines in but now headed by inactive characters (such as ## - - ) that basically say “skip this program line”. When you want to reactivate that line all you have to do is delete the “skip” characters. As an alternative hypothesis on junk DNA this fits Delores’ “you have a useless god lobe” analogy better than gene memory. Using this theory we can see how this can account for the base-character code with their free-will commented- out in the human-hosts, like Charlotte, might be fighting their way into the running program.

[@anthonywarren9885]

Dolores isn't a hero. Murder and manipulation isn't a virtue. That's the biggest problem with this season and last season. We sympathize with Dolores's plight but she has gone full blown black hat.

[@weareorigin]

Dolores has lived long enough to see herself become a villain. She didn't end as an innocent chump.

[@chrisg6110]

... who is the hero then?

[@sookiebyun4260]

Chris G It depends who’s side you’re on.

[@anthonywarren9885]

@@chrisg6110 possibly Bernard but he's not doing much of anything other than being an innocent bystander like last season. The writing isn't very good this season.

[@MsZeeZed]

Remember the Blue-tongue analogy from S0204, Farm girl Delores herself, not influenced by Wyatt, believes you have to burn the herd to beat the fly born plague. Btw the humans are the infected flies in that analogy, well at least the rich ones are.

[@jadejohnson7740]

At about 8:47 did he really just say the only unethical thing he's done is murder his daughter? What about what he did to all the hosts?

[@strathyreinn8124]

Surely rehoboam is backed up somewhere or everywhere!

[@tierneyirizarry7438]

Dolores *is* spanish, but it's already plural. Singular is dolor. I think it should be Dolorices. Like matrices or crises.

[@martybuzz49]

Is Delores really Ford?

[@DonaldHeim]

I think you discount the fact that you don't know what she had access to in Arnold / Bernards "house" where she made the new host bodies. What Delos / Park data did she have access to. To that end, Dolores realizes she needs a Japanese person to take over the Yakuza, so she goes to the "templates" in Arnold's House and finds "Sato".

[@rogerroger5171]

I don't believe Maeve is in a simulation, particularly not from Serac. He starts Ep4 believing that Doloris had stolen a number of pearls whom she is controlling. If Serac was operating the sim, how would he later discover that all of the pearls were Doloris?

[@SHARKVADERS]

IDG!!!

[@thelasonj]

Geek, I prefer Multi Do or Multi Doe 🙂

[@tierneyirizarry7438]

Although Fourlores is great too

[@arcanics1971]

Turns out genre is a really rubbish drug.

[@clarec5447]

I think anti hero might be a better description for Delores than protagonist

[@anthonywarren9885]

Im sorry Hax is a dummy. Its clearly stated that Serac built Rehoboam on data from Delos but it was just a small portion. Serac said the picture isn't complete cause he needs of the complete guest data from Delos. These people are so concerned with simulations and mirror worlds that they miss the sinple stuff.

[@rhhfhfsajajaa4294]

Not only from the data from delos, but everything else before privacy laws introduced

[@delosabby4339]

Anthony Warren yes he is and he is also very rude to both the preshow hosts and Aftershow who both happen to be on this stream I just watched him reveal he doesn’t know what a protagonist is . For how pretentious he behaves & how smart he deems himself I can tell u as a former English teacher & current story editor for major publishers it’s not ok for someone to act like they know anything about Storytelling If they can’t grasp the very basics

[@rhhfhfsajajaa4294]

@@delosabby4339 what did he do that was bad? Didn't get that impression myself

[@delosabby4339]

Rhhfhf Sajajaa he doesn’t understand what a protagonist is how can u listen to him speak about story when he thinks a protagonist is the hero it is story craft 101 both the hosts are noticeably disturbed by this but I have reached out to both privately and especially Justin Thomas but he doesn’t seem to want to admit Hax is openly disrespectful to him on his Aftershow. It bothers me to see two creators I enjoy entertaining this fool

[@ChapterFourBand]

Please, Robert, never have Justin on the show again...