The Wheel Of Time | Egwene Outsmarts Renne (ft. Madeleine Madden) | Cinema Quest

[@jtdeluxe5943]

I love that Egwene stood on business. she said she would kill her and she did.

[@johnlloyddy7016]

Yeah, totally out of character for Egwene. In the books, Renna lived after this incident and later became a fugitive. She was taken as a hostage by Mat along with Tuon when they escaped Ebou Dar to join Valan Luca's Menagerie, that is, until Mat's men killed her with an arrow while she was trying to escape.

[@dyrtybarstud5261]

The books scene and structure of this is far, far more brutal and far more feminine. Egwene leaves her alive knowing that Renne has to live with the fact that she is what she despises most. Sadly, the series loses the distinct femininity of the female leads and the exploration of the power that women can exert in that and any other worlds. One of the great shining lights of WoT is the exploration of how and why both men and women gather and use power and, sadly, this is horribly diluted or destroyed in the series.

[@TheWheelTurns]

@@johnlloyddy7016 out of character for early Egwene. Late-series Egwene was plenty ruthless

[@johnlloyddy7016]

@@TheWheelTurns nah, late book series Egwene was just being Aiel. Not ruthless, just formidable.

[@hera7884]

Egwene made sure to watch her light go out. Good for you Egwene.

[@thearchon5013]

I really loved this scene. Egwene made a promise and she kept it

[@gkk4637]

I think the reason Egwene was able to touch and use the a'dam on Renna was referenced earlier on in the series. Nyneve and Elaine were experimenting with the a'dam with that one channler who was a healer. When Nyneve channeled and focused on the collar, she made a comment that it needed to be healed. So, in essence, Egwnere using the a'dam to collar Renna could not be viewed as an act of violence, but rather an act of healing. She essentially found a loophole because putting a collar on a woman who can channel, though it constitutes enslavement, is technically "healing" them. So even if Egwenes intention was to turn the tables on Renna and then harm her, the initial act of placing it on her could be considered more an act of healing rather than violence. That being sent, I did hope the Egwene would light Renna on fire or something. Sher deserved a much more grisly demise than this.

[@ElliadeOfHomer]

THIS!

[@JM-db8ez]

Ah, petty vengeance, that instant gratification is just so tempting. Dead is dead. Feeling the need to "punish" and torture is weak.

[@seanbraley2772]

It probably has to do with her seeing the collar as a tool rather then a weapon in most myths or stories about weapons enchanted to carry out a perpouse the wording is vary important one of the 13 treasures of the Irish Celtic legends names a loom that makes clothing no weapon can Pierce yet a par of shears were able to in the legion because the wearer and and the user didn’t see them as such

[@migm1520]

​@@JM-db8ezTell that to the producers of the show lol

[@thearchon5013]

Idk, immolation would have been too quick a death in my opinion. At least with this she got to die slow enough for egwene to enjoy it. Egwene got her to the point of desperation where she did the one she would never do under normal circumstances, releasing her from the A'dam, and it didn't matter cause egwene was never gonna let her live. Then she got her to point of begging to be spared only to respond with nothing but a death glare as she slowly strangled the life from her. Then finally she got her to the point of utter despair, the point where she knew that was it, right before she died, the point where she knew she never gonna survive this and possibly began regretting ever meeting egwene. Damn that got a bit dark.😅 Anyway, my point is that Egwene basically condensed the weeks(months?) of torture Renna put her through and dished it out to her in a few short minutes and nothing is better that in my opinion. To watch your oppressor crumble under the very same pain they enjoyed putting you through. Ain't nothing sweeter except letting then live to suffer even more. Her demise was perfect to me and good on Egwene for keeping her promise.

[@j3pelfrey]

The 2 rivers folk could teach stubbornness to stones...

[@muahmer3027]

You mean stonedogs!!

[@TheCorrodedMan]

They learned from them

[@wolwerine0007]

I loved this scene. Even better than Rand ending scene.

[@moorechristopher873]

Right! they should've did more though. Had them really throwing spells and etc at each other

[@Dibxmonkey]

I dont feel like egwene should have been able to touch the collar but I get why they did it for the show. In the book the A'dam was sooo much more intuitive. Not only did Egwene have to choose not to use the pitcher to harm Renna, but she had to convince herself that she would NEVER EVER do it in order to touch the pitcher which took several days. Even though she didnt intend to harm herself, she could not touch a knife that her friend tried to let her hold. Since she saw this as something to *use on Renna* I don't think it should have worked but tv is always different.

[@cernstormrunner7263]

did Egwene take her out in the book?

[@Dibxmonkey]

@@cernstormrunner7263 Spoilers So in the book Egwene is rescued by her friends who remove the collar (there is no possible way for her to escape herself) and when they are found by Renna about to escape, they put it on her. After a little revenge pain from Egwene, they leave Renna there to be discovered and found in shame. Turns out Renna and the other captured Suldam are released instead of made to be damane, as they dont want the secret to be out. Later in the books Renna is shot in the back with an arrow and I believe falls into a river or something.

[@The_Memorial]

Egwene did not use the collar as a weapon. The T Adam does not hurt women who it is put on. Only they can inflict pain on themselves when they attack their soul Dal

[@ainako1010]

I get this was the finale so scene time is limited, but this was enough revenge for the torture Egwene endured. Renne died too easily.

[@EndzeitMensch]

At least they let her have that revenge. In the books, Renne got away with her life.

[@wolwerine0007]

Agree.

[@moorechristopher873]

Exactly. I wanted more build up and more learning in powers for Egwene

[@AchemireChanneMartial]

yeah too easily

[@mauriciobenitez5424]

i enjoyed so much this scene 🙂

[@lsp0sis]

Me too 😍

[@peterotieno6611]

Thankful series was held back. Beings in this galaxy (timeline) aren't ready to know more about other's in time. His peace be-in us always. Enam🙏🏽

[@ainako1010]

I watch this clip everytime it pops up in my recommendations. It's the classic anime moment "MASAKA" aka "impossible or that can't be".

[@LordMaskin]

It should be impossible, Egwene should not have been able to use or do anything that harm or lead to the harm of her Sul'dam. This is just more rule breaking to show that Egwene the Mary Sue is the most powerful character in the world.

[@ainako1010]

@@LordMaskin I can somewhat agree with that. I've seen others defend this scene and be, "well, Egwene wasn't thinking to harm her Sul'dam in the moment just trap her". Again, somewhat weak/somewhat fair reasoning but to satisfy the audience there should've an additional scene where Egwene found out to suspend the effects of the collar for 5 seconds (or enough time to get this moment). Let's say if she's already in pain the collar will take that as her Sul'dam punishing her. So, if Egwene stab herself the same moment putting the collar on Renne. Just an idea that I came up with on the fly. Obviously, it was for the TV moment and "don't think too hard on this" haha.

[@yuut01234]

It's "masaka"... Please say it right 😂

[@ainako1010]

@@yuut01234 you right. Typo. Edited.

[@smtiellgopher]

So earlier, Egwene couldnt even touch a pitcher of water because she may use it as a weapon. Now, with her collar still on, she can put the collar on Renne, knowing full well she's going to use it as a weapon? And somehow she doesn't get hurt when trying to channel the power to hang Renne, knowing that she's using the one power to hurt her sul'dam? Make it make sense...

[@1BadPrix]

It was poor writing because she shouldn't have been able to use it.

[@leoguerra2502]

That’s exactly what I thought. Maybe they could have done something like hers breaks off, because of her sheer will?

[@1BadPrix]

@@leoguerra2502 that would have been better and more plausible

[@TheFlyingFoxDen]

honestly, I felt the same way, but then I remembered what was said earlier, that the adam was a magical artifact that wants to be complete by being with a woman who can channel. Maybe that magical pull overrules the rule of not harming your suldam. Plus it is not a weapon, and Egwane could not have been 100% certain it would harm her suldam.

[@WardNightstone]

because she wasn't thinkign of usign it as a weapon she was thinking "collar this SulDamne before me some the collar allowed it

[@TheAVM2011]

Yes, this hurts but you put her through hell so this pain is nothing. Egwene, is unbreakable.

[@nautosual]

Xelia's performance as Renna is outstanding, truly. Renna deserved a redemption arc. We could've had it all.

[@Shinzon23]

She's a piece of s*** in the books as well even after Falme. The writers, correctly, realized having her die would be a incredibly cathartic moment, and I agree, as their entire way of life is fked and needs to be burnt to the ground

[@simplymia3153]

Lol absolutely not. Good riddance to Renna.

[@Shinzon23]

Absolutely not; she is an absolute scumbag in the books, it doesn't improve after she escapes falme

[@nicolas.p1750]

I knew something was up when i saw this person in the Fallout serie

[@Sarnarath]

Who?

[@stanleyaltidor3452]

She turned the tables on her what a badass

[@GeloMeme]

Would've been better if after Egwene was released, she made Renna channel and burned her by using so much of the one power.

[@moorechristopher873]

oh that would've been sickening! I like

[@indigophoenix27]

An Aes Sedai cannot lie.

[@simamnkelemagaba7832]

Lovely scene it was

[@wilsonlwtan3975]

One of the coolest scenes

[@sophiejleigh]

“The a’dam only works on women who can channel.” “I know.” I’m glad the a’dam understands cinematic timing, because it waited until this exchange was done before actually working.

[@moorechristopher873]

It was crazy though that the things couldn't be removed unless they died. Like damn "made for a woman" is what they said. Wild. However, I really did want more build up before all of this and wanted Egwene to really learn some power spells and etc.

[@alrapi62]

AMEI ESTA CENA. MUITO ESPERADA.

[@Thestaalos]

Anything seen as a weapon cannot be used by the damane... Oh wait, there is one exception : when the showrunners have no clue what to do to wrap up their story. Egwene should never have been able to collar the girl as she was clearly seeing this as a weapon to use...

[@matthewhelland9258]

She wasn't bashing Renna over the head with the collar, was she? The a'dam only keeps you from physically injuring your sul'dam, not putting a collar around their neck.

[@Thestaalos]

@@matthewhelland9258 somehow a vase is considered a weapon and the collar that enslave someone is not seen as a threat 🙃 Maybe next we can argue egwene used the collar on her in the midst of battle, after getting almost killed by Renne for disobeying her orders because she thought it would make her pretty?

[@matthewhelland9258]

@@Thestaalos What part of "physical harm" is so hard to understand? The collar's only a tool, programmed to stop violence. Putting a collar on Renna did nothing to hurt her in and of itself.

[@Fragindragon]

The collar isn’t a weapon though. The person is the weapon

[@blackforge1374]

You’re so mad 😂 the show does everything about this series better. If you want a one-to-one translation, you should probably get into theatre instead of film 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@sophiejleigh]

so Renne couldn’t hurt Egwene when she was wearing a collar, but Egwene could hurt Renne whilst wearing a collar. Got it 👍

[@trenzy11]

I'm sorry did u even watch the show??

[@Uouttooo]

Those objects are dangerous to them. Why would they just let them lie on the ground for anyone to pick them up?

[@Shinzon23]

It was from one of the other pairs that got vaporized earlier

[@YelloLibra83]

So satisfying to watch

[@Scott-qp6fs]

Emotionally very satisfying, but makes no logical sense. You can make whatever excuses you want about the collar 'not being a weapon' or putting it on a woman who can channel is 'healing' it, but that's just copium. She very clearly intended it to harm Renna, and even if you can jump through the mental hoops to justify that part, she used it to choke Renna out, which was absolutely intended to harm her. Renna couldn't punch her, but she can choke her to death? Obvious plot hole.

[@sophiejleigh]

so at the beginning, Renne didn’t notice Egwene wearing a gold bracelet?

[@tejaswini9368]

people who r fighting abt how egwene was able to weild the collar even tho it was a weapon well she dint nesseserily touch it , she just used one power to put it on renna so its possible

[@3ANW888]

More please.. More🤩

[@kmallory100]

All of this is so much better in the books!!!

[@gp2917]

I gave up on this series after season 1. Might have to check it out again. Looks like they did Falme well

[@TheCasimir94]

I get that this a bit of a plot hole but god damn i was cheering for her to die 😅

[@osamaobama879]

Can't find Wheel of Time here....

[@dnola6887]

Another example of Rafe Jenkins' fanfiction messing up a masterpiece. This doesn't happen in the books. At all. In the books, EVERYTHING is perfectly set up. Nynaeve and Elayne capture a sul'dam, Sera, and collar her, despite Min saying it doesn't work. Nynaeve discovers it does work. The original plan was for Nynaeve to put the collar on Elayne, get the info they need from Sera about the interior of the house where Egwene is held. Nynaeve changes this upon realizing what the 'a'dam does, and what a filthy thing it is. Change of plans: Sera is now the damane, Nynaeve dresses up as a sul'dam, no stupid tattoos in the book, and while Rand is clashing with Turak, they go to rescue Egwene, who has figured out what is happening with the sul'dam and damane. Egwene's explanation makes FAR more sense than the drivel Jenkins wrote: Damane are the girls who are naturally gifted, like Nynaeve, Egwene and Elayne. Sul'dam are the girls who can be taught to channel. At this point, Renna, yes, in the books it is spelled R-e-n-n-a, ending in an "a", waltzes in, Egwene snaps the a'dam on Renna, and tortures her with it, finally relenting at the urging of the others and her own disgust. They leave Sera and Renna bound to the a'dam, and the kettle of fish that this will cause, and then depart, with Sera and Renna still having future roles and parts to play. Jenkins' unnecessary changes to the novels have all been unqualified disasters, creating chain reaction disasters. The scene as portrayed here makes ZERO sense, and ZERO logic, even in the rules Jenkins sets for his verision. This is just sad what is being done to such a great work.

[@abcdefbcdefg8352]

yup, i now remember why i quit watching as soon as i saw avienda. shes supposed to be a dessert beauty, but they cant bring themselves to cast attractive actors or risk the social backlash for reinforcing traditional beauty standards.

[@timma0066]

I agree, chain reaction disasters are coming... #FireRafe

[@jahiadurrek]

@@abcdefbcdefg8352 Reinforcing traditional beauty standards? So what, you're expecting to see blonde hair, blue eyes and pale skin in characters from the Aiel Wastes, a region that's essentially a desert? If anything, you're far wrong on the fact that the actors are unattractive because Ayoola Smart is one of the most beautiful women in the cast besides Nynaeve's actress and the fact that they kept her natural features for the character makes a lot of sense given that they are likely adaptations to the climate of the region that she comes from. Why don't you just say you're a racist and keep it moving?

[@jeremydening2536]

The people of the Aiel waste are supposed to be very tall, and have red hair, just like Rand. While in our world it would make more sense for Aviendha to look like her actress, in the WOT, the world was broken, and no people were in the regions their ancestors adapted to. The world map given by Jordan bears little resemblance to our own. The actress is certainly not ugly, but she certainly is miscast based on the very involved world-building given in the book.

[@robertmiles1888]

@@jeremydening2536 "The people of the Aiel waste are supposed to be very tall, and have red hair, just like Rand. " Some, not all. Done.

[@AmedeoPanviniRosatiHeusch]

made more sense in the book where it's I think Nyanaeve who puts the Adam on her

[@emmanueldominguez3311]

It is egwen who did it, i just read that part

[@roniedulman5277]

Who's here waiting for season3

[@victorrondon9747]

Renna only give training to Egwene to be able to kill her.

[@harryiculus]

how was Egwene able to touch the collar? She thought of it as a weapon, no?

[@waynehector361]

It stops you from causing physical harm,placing the necklace did not hurt her

[@baneblackguard584]

it's not a weapon, it's seen as a tool to save those that otherwise would have to be destroyed. By Egwene it would simply be seen as tool, since she isn't attacking her with it she's just putting it on her, like pouring a cup of water.

[@riripari2042]

That's how you see the collar. As an outright weapon, but technically that not what it is. It's a collar used to restrain certain people and prevent them from physically hurting their master. Technically not a weapon outright. Like handcuffs. Simply handcuffing someone doesn't hurt them. It just restrains them.

[@The_Memorial]

No.

[@eyhtwozed2606]

@@baneblackguard584how is she not ‘attacking’ her when Egwene lift her up and choke her to death? Wouldnt Egwene be receiving self infliction too?

[@mattturner5750]

Egwene will be the Dragon Reborn in this show. There's no other way

[@Jarvisamoleçameupinto401]

Wtf

[@mattturner5750]

@@Jarvisamoleçameupinto401 just wait and see

[@Jarvisamoleçameupinto401]

​@@mattturner5750In a way they will have to follow the original story, it will probably be the Amyrlin Throne

[@Jarvisamoleçameupinto401]

​@@mattturner5750Rand is the protagonist who is underutilized in the series, which dictates how powerful he is, to highlight other characters.

[@mattturner5750]

@@Jarvisamoleçameupinto401 have you watched the show?

[@shyd00d]

Shame this *never* happens in the books, and Renne isn't dead...

[@petert3355]

Renne was collared in the books, but it was after Egwene was freed in the kennel by Nayeve and Elane.

[@redlily7115]

She's actually dead in the books too. She was killed by a crossbow bolt shot by Gorderan and an arrow from a double curve horsebow shot by Harnan. This happened in Crossroads of Twilight.

[@wolwerine0007]

Then Its a Good Thing I have not read the Books.😉

[@redlily7115]

@@wolwerine0007 well anyone who hasn't read the books is missing out 😉

[@redlily7115]

Ahahahahaha jokes aside, the books really are great. I recommend them if you have the time

[@SecretMcSpectre21]

So, if they're both each other's slaves, will they feel the same pain or will it double?

[@GaryKrall-i1x]

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[@maheshudayanga728]

I think ishameal was right. Not like the other characters egwene is truely turned to the dark.

[@bluelight17]

I thought they had done Egwene's plot really well until this moment. They didn't even follow the show adam lore, there is no way Egwene wasn't thinking of hurting Renna in this scene and that she could kill her like that with pretty much no physical consequences. It also make it look like the other channelers simply didn't try hard enough to get out of it😕 the terrifying point of the adam is that it doesn't matter how strong of a channeler you are or how strong your will is, you just can't get out of it by yourself. This is going to hurt a future important plot point. Also it pretty much made all of the Elayne and Nynaeve scenes of studying the adam and capturing a suldam completely pointless.

[@winnoweriv2650]

Episode 8 of season 2 is pretty good if you know nothing of the book series. If that is the case, enjoy it. If you DO enjoy this; you really should read the book because its like 3 or 4 times as good as this. For one thing, everybody is there for a reason and contributes. They don't fumble helplessly with an arrow wound while Egwene solo's everything. Why are Nyneave and Elayne even in this scene? They are there to free Egwene. Also, Rand is the ONLY one who can stand a chance against Ishameal. Fact. Egwene cannot " hold him off " for 4 minutes just cuz she is mad!!!! OMG I AM MAD so facts don't work on me! Nyneave, one of the best (if not the) healers in the entire world, cannot heal an arrow wound.......... but Elayne (known for only being able to heal a bruised cheek) heals Rand's wound........... Rand's wound that he DID NOT GET FROM MAT. Also, Mat does not make his spear from tying a dagger to a stick. ffs............. Enjoyed Lan and Moiraine's beach scene but it did not happen. They were not even there. Hopper did not die here either. Also, the Horn scene is one of the top 10 in the entire series. It is simply amazing. The end of book 2 is epic. The show's was OK; but not a patch on the book. As I said. I enjoyed this sequence, it is entertaining. It's so far from accurate tho, its too bad. Book is SO MUCH BETTER.

[@HeyNow860]

This show does not do the books any justice.

[@Gunleaver]

Outsmarts is a really weird way to describe the worldbuilding and magic rules just turning off to hand her a win.

[@Wedge-Antilles]

This is where learn Egwene has great evil in her. Honourable people keep their word.

[@harrymartin1]

I sort of get where your coming from, but nah. You seek to control people on that level then you reap what you sow. Egwene be forgiving, but not imma make you my mana bitch for life forgiving. Few of us are, or should be.

[@timma0066]

She kept her word, she told Rena she would kill her... and she did, that's honorable!

[@thomaswakefield6889]

so I'm guessing by the way season 2 ended that there will be a season 3

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[@zyciezazycietranslatelifef569]

Egwene make no sense in the movie , just there to be torture

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Что это за фильм?

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сериал колесо времени

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[@leeoulic1887]

woah what did i just watch

[@nattphilia]

This scene is antithetical to everything the books and even the show said about the a’dam. Such a stupid scene

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[@vilvethope]

Rinna*

[@preciousmtombeni4273]

Renne did worst things to her in the books...😳

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#thisisnotEgwene

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[@anthonywingkinslater3979]

Y change what's in the book. So much better in the book. And

[@wilsonlwtan3975]

Congratulations for reading the book but let us enjoy the show shall we?

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A cena mais aguardada da temporada.

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[@heavygass979]

worst book adaptation ever!!!

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[@abgh7853]

Have I heard her in ac black flag?

[@TastyGamingQc]

Did I miss something ? I get that this was slavery but I feel sorta bad bc I don’t think the tattooed girl even understood that. She seemingly was raised to believe this was the way the world would be saved. Like similar to religious indoctrination. So I feel a bit bad.

[@isisjoelyndejesus4269]

That doesn’t give them the free pass for their consequences….. they did the deed, they still tortured their damane.

[@JDthesubscriber]

that’s probably how all the evil in real world worked as well, slavery, nazism, all of them

[@BriarMaeriSibyle]

she absolutely understood what she was doing to egwene when she was savagely beating her and torturing her psychologically.

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[@julianpang9999]

strange

[@naruto73syfy]

Still a good scene, even though from what I’ve read in the comments isn’t what really happens in the book.

[@baneblackguard584]

what little i've seen of the show (mostly first few episodes and then clips of later parts here on youtube) it doesn't look bad, but as usual the books are way better. there's only so much you can do with limited screen time, cuts have to be made and then changes to make the cuts work. It's nice they finally made a show after all these years, but yeah... read the books.

[@BlueCyann]

It's similar thematically, but Renna lives and is kept leashed at least for a while. I don't remember what ultimately happens to her. She and another one or two captured sul'dams who are aware that they are channellers are around in the story for a while. Egwene does free herself and collar Renna, IIRC through some kind of mental trick to be able to access her own a'dam. But you can't convey that kind of thing on screen, at least not without inventing some kind of annoying expository device to show how she reasons it out. Not so much a matter of time constraints as of format constraints. The issue as a whole is (probably) not going away. The Seanchan themselves are most definitely not done, and a particular "sul'dam" is going to play a huge role starting probably 2-3 seasons down the line, unless they decide for some unfathomable reason to change the character drastically. She's one of my favorite characters despite being objectively awful, and it's going to be interesting to see how people react to her.

[@LuminousArc92]

@@BlueCyann no that's not how it goes. Nynaeve and Elayne captured a sul'dam and forced her into a collar so they could sneak to where Egwene was and free her. Renna then shows up and Egwene forces the collar on her and inflicts pain on her. Nynaeve ultimately decides on justice, of leaving the two sul'dam collared in the room to meet their fate when it's revealed sul'dam are women who can learn to channel while demane are the women born with the spark to channel Egwene doesn't free herself, she literally can't, that's why Nynaeve and Elayne are there, to save her but the show took away their purpose to break their established rules to give Egwene a girlboss moment that makes no sense

[@matthewhelland9258]

@@BlueCyann Renna eventually tries to betray Mat to the Seanchan and gets shot in the back.

[@KimBushong]

I loved the Books, watched 15 minutes of episode 1 and said NOPE. Im completely lost in this scene until I remember they said F the books. Audio books are just as Good. Im still stunned jeff bezos ruined my favorite book series.

[@rafamorales5026]

And yet you come here to complain like a baby which make you an idiot Why to waste to many energy to hate something instead of keep going with the things you like?

[@WoolleyHoney-o3v]

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[@stonehenges5722]

She should have forgiven Renne.

[@BriarMaeriSibyle]

.... why should she have forgiven a slaver who physically and emotionally abused and tortured her over the course of three months???

[@krqstair]

thats like saying the slaves should have forgiven the masters...

[@daidavies6210]

What a load of rubbish

[@sirjohnbrian]

After the abomination that was the first season, I knew I wasn't going to watch anything more of this show. I am glad that this clip confirms I'm not missing anything.

[@wolwerine0007]

You are So Wrong. For a person who has not been corrupted by the the original book storyline. Cause I don't read Books ever. This scene is the best. I never liked Rand, I always felt Nynaeve was the True Dragon cause her powers shine like the RADIANT SUN. I loved this sense too.

[@kieltimmons6699]

Then be elsewhere.

[@matthewhelland9258]

Bye Felicia.

[@Jarvisamoleçameupinto401]

​@@wolwerine0007Corrupted? Serious?

[@penegakkeadilanpembasmikej5022]

After watching this clip I definitely gonna watch this show

[@cestmoi7368]

It’s sad what they did to a wonderful series of novels…. Woke destroys everything.

[@rafamorales5026]

gonna cry?