The Wheel Of Time | "I Won't Live In Your Cage" (ft.Josha Stradowski) | Cinema Quest

Rand (Josha Stradowski) speaks with Siuan (Sophie Okonedo) about what will become of him.
From Season 2 Episode 7 'Daes Dae'Mar' - A familiar face foils Moiraine and Rand's plans.
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About The Wheel Of Time -- The Wheel of Time is one of the most popular and enduring fantasy series of all-time, with over 90 million books sold. Set in a sprawling, epic world where magic exists and only certain women are allowed to access it, the story follows Moiraine (Rosamund Pike), a member of the incredibly powerful all-female organization called the Aes Sedai, as she arrives in the small town of Two Rivers. There, she embarks on a dangerous, world-spanning journey with five young men and women, one of whom is prophesied to be the Dragon Reborn, who will either save or destroy humanity.
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The Wheel Of Time | "I Won't Live In Your Cage" (ft.Josha Stradowski) | Cinema Quest
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[@1971kayac]

In the books Siuan spent her entire life and sacrificed everything she had to allow Rand to learn to channel and fully become the Dragon Reborn, and here in just one scene, everything is turned upside down, to say I'm perplexed is an understatement.

[@crunchyoats1862]

she doesn't think he's ready but the last battle is coming, so she's doing the best with the hand she's been dealt

[@LucashhLima]

Watch the scene again, she is refering to what the tower wants (and Elaida...), not what she intends to do.

[@jumpingturtle8830]

@@LucashhLima I like that. New theory: she knows the Tower's plan is insane, so she acts threatening in his general direction and makes a show of keeping him contained. She's not involved in an attempt to free him. She can defend all of this to the Sitters. Meanwhile it was a good bet he'd be freed within a day, and now he'll avoid the Tower.

[@LucashhLima]

@@jumpingturtle8830 What an Aes Sedai says isn't always what you think you heard

[@KenS1267]

I understand the books are too big and complicated to fit into 8 episode seasons but they are changing them for no reason.

[@tastefullyout]

I love this show, and because of that, I'm now reading the books. Every adaptation has fans angry and complaining that the adaptation isn't like the source material and I think if the adaptation of whatever it is, is growing the fan base of that particular show or book, then that's a win. I'm not that far into the books yet but so far I really like that also. I like them both. YOU CAN LIKE BOTH!

[@adelucas4824]

It's not that it's a bad series, it's the fact they changed so much without needing to. The books are long and convoluted, so there is a lot they can cut out without losing the story. Keep the main beats and lose the padding. One of the big problems with the books is that a lot of the multi-book arcs don't really add to the story and in a TV adaptation could be dealt with in one episode. I don't even mind them combining minor character arcs into one person. The problem is that some of the most important plot points in later books have been undermined by the changes they have made to the story.

[@adriekeur7429]

If you've read the entire series, you''ll see the error of your words. You cannot love both.

[@crunchyoats1862]

@@adriekeur7429 maybe you're just narrowminded?

[@adriekeur7429]

@@crunchyoats1862 That's quite a juvenile respons. I respect the author, the showrunners don't. How many of the WOT-books did you read?

[@crunchyoats1862]

@@adriekeur7429 and gatekeeping fandom isn't juvenile? just because you're unable to compartmentalize your experiences doesn't mean other people can't as well

[@ryankwon8785]

I treat this scene as Siuan warning Rand that the Aes Sedai are not the angels they are said to be.

[@alby4478]

"6 months, and she taught you nothing!" Loved Siuan's fish references; 2 in 2.5 minutes has got to be a movie record 😂

[@avianlilly6804]

I love this scene! She’s so shady! “We would’ve been so much better off if you were a girl! “ 😂😂😂😂

[@nckncknck]

It’s because they cant teach boys, who can channel, channel. That is why Morraine wants Logain to teach Rand.

[@agustinacaceres8672]

I take this scene as she is more frustrated with the situation than him. Female channelers cannot teach male channelers and viceversa. They can use the one power to do same or similar things but in their craft of weaving its different. Also, male channelers go mad or die, he is supposed to save everyone and Siuan (in books and I think in the series if they don't change ecerything) tries to help him to achieve this but he has no one or nowhere to go and learn. Their hands are tied. So, of course, it would have been easier if he had been a girl.

[@paulfrost2995]

😂😂😂

[@domdom3938]

@@agustinacaceres8672 The show actually makes Siuan show this really well. She's hard on him and frustrated because he knows no way to defend himself, but out in public (around other Aes Sedai) she has to appear as if she's doing what is in the interests of the Aes Sedai, aka caging him and taking advantage, or else the politics would probably dethrone her. It's odd that this goes over people's heads so easily

[@gigolaw7004]

Sounds like they had the same idea as the Seanchan

[@chocopuddingcup83]

This scene is good at showing the difference between power and skill. Rand is many magnitudes stronger than Siuan, but she handles him like a child because she's been channeling for many years.

[@masterkeep]

Except the books say that a single wielder cannot ever shield a single other wielder, especially not someone as strong as the dragon reborn. They are completely ignoring the rules set in the book.

[@chocopuddingcup83]

@@masterkeep Where does it say that? Because there's plenty of times when a single person has shielded another.

[@masterkeep]

@@chocopuddingcup83 Only if they were caught unaware and not already connected to the source. The scene showed Rand already holding the source, so that was impossible. Even then it was required to have at least three to hold a shield. That is canon from the books.

[@chocopuddingcup83]

@@masterkeep Again, this is about skill vs power. Even in the books, somebody who is much stronger than another channeler can shield them even if they're holding the power (and in the show, when Ishamael shields Moiraine, as he is MUCH stronger than her). Rand, in this instance, has almost no capability, let alone the comprehension, of what he can and cannot do, and his grasp on the power is weak. Siuan has decades of experience in this, and she knows exactly what it takes to shield somebody who is holding the power.

[@masterkeep]

@chocopuddingcup83 Incorrect. In the books, it is almost always power over strength if the one is holding the one power. So much so that anytime it isn't by power, it appears to have been a mistake. Rand had grabbed hold of the power, and he was immensely more powerful than her. Should not have been possible, period.

[@geryrrs]

Rand al’Shield

[@huolalupin6008]

At first I thought she was just a very bad actress but the more I heard of the script the more I realised it wasn't her fault. Whoever wrote it should be banged up for a decade.

[@StewNWT]

god you sound whiny. WHat's wrong with the scene? No wait don't answer that, cauz I don't wanna hear any more whining

[@huolalupin6008]

@@StewNWT Shut up and have another doughnut.

[@But...WhyTho]

@@StewNWT A single lady can shield the most powerful male channeler with a flick of her hand. It literally took two just to hold Logain with extreme effort on their parts even within the context of the show. Rand, the Dragon Reborn, its significantly more powerful than Logain. But this show just goes scene-by-scene with no regards to anything else that's been established because "cool scene" is apparently better than a good story. Rand was literally already channeling and she said "hehe, no actually" which... no. Cutting someone off while they're already touching the source is extremely hard, basically impossible to do by oneself, and sure as hell wouldn't be easy against the literal dragon. Egwene can heal someone from being Burnt Out because shes sad because whamen, Nieneve can heal an entire room without any training because whamen... but Rand, The Dragon Reborn, can't break a shield because that wouldn't be cool and girl boss and then gets shielded again later on by NPC ocean channelers at least two miles away on boats with no line of sight on him because the Battle In the Sky would be stupid and not girl boss I guess. It sucks. The show sucks even if we completely ignored the books.

[@StewNWT]

@@But...WhyTho Because Rand has had no experience or training - unlike Logain who had been practicing and building his army for months or even years - they make this clear. And The Amyrlin seat is no mere one woman. You're jus tlooking for reasons to be whiny

[@veggiesnake4430]

Oh, Sophie Okonedo is a _force_ when you give her a good script. Her performance in Ratched was incredible.

[@alanmark12345]

The dragon possibly being a woman is so missing the point of the series. The taint of saidin, and having the chosen one possibly be going insane is a major tension that goes pretty unexplored when its possible the dragon could just wield saidar.

[@matthewhart9610]

They have no damn clue what they're doing

[@Sombriage]

@@matthewhart9610 They know exactly what they're doing. Bastardizing a book series to try and make it more appealing to other audiences by pretending the Dragon Reborn could be a woman.

[@kmallory100]

This show got so many things wrong about the One Power and channeling.

[@lamario295]

Like what?

[@JordenLeonard]

Because the source material current survive current era wokeism.

[@alcazarheironkaisserj.6544]

@@JordenLeonard Well, making it woke make sense since it's in the future, a post-apocalyptic world where some women freeely hold powers

[@RecklessFables]

The male and female are like like the notions of ying and yang. They supplement each other and work together. This show erased a large portion of the lore because they don't like heteronormative notions. Sure, they kept that men go mad (toxic masculinity) but they keep hinting that the female side could just do everything without them, which even the Reds never really said. @@lamario295

[@Osyrous]

​@lamario295 the pool of saidin is missing st the eye of the world, rand cutting the shield off moraine, moraines op ship killing fire dragon thing, the way gates not needing the leaf shaped like the leaf from the tree of life, and THOM. The list does go on but who really cares enough.

[@Briguy1027]

This is not how I envisioned how Siuan would look like.

[@The_Memorial]

Here is what I don’t get. In s1 3 powerful Aes Sedai could barely shield the fake dragon and yet she alone can do that to the real deal’

[@Mcherri]

I mean in defence rand barely knows how to channel a male has to train him not a female and only logain can do that.

[@christopherdavis6918]

She literally said as much in this very scene. 🥴

[@The_Memorial]

@@christopherdavis6918 in the books it took at least 6 Aes sedan to shield him and that was even before he trained in the one power. They made him hella weak

[@christopherdavis6918]

@@The_Memorial you think the show can afford putting six actors on one person every scene he’s being shielded? Serious question.

[@thebabbynick1543]

@@christopherdavis6918it’s a very high budget show lol

[@nileverdeen3797]

I was so happy when lanfear destroyed him

[@NearVSMello]

Weird idea but.... why don't they sex change him? Is it really that hard for a bunch of wizards?

[@Adanu191]

It isn't remotely that simple.

[@BobofWOGGLE]

To get into book spoilers (even though it is VERY clear the showrunners don't care about the books) both of the forsaken who die at the end of Eye of the World get resurrected by the dark one in new bodies, both having been men beforehand but one being a woman after. Despite this, the forsaken in question still channels Saidin rather than Saidar. So even if they sex changed him, the resulting woman would still be using the bad tainted make-you-go-crazy power.

[@Adanu191]

@@BobofWOGGLE If the showrunners didn't care about the books, a GOOD number of scenes would not have happened. You Bookcloaks need to stop being 1:1 purists and learn adaptation.

[@BobofWOGGLE]

@@Adanu191 Counterpoint, if the showrunners cared about the books they would be capable of straying away from a 1:1 adaptation without making it _suck_ The problem with this adaptation isn't just that it "isn't 1:1 from the books", it's that it only vaguely tries to get the initial setup right, fails at that, takes its broken setup off the rails through the entire middle portion and then finishes out the season with a realization of "oops we didn't set up any of the climactic events from the books but we really want them to happen anyway" and then shove in the end-of-book events with no regard for theme or implication. If they _cared,_ they would either change the payoff when they change the setup associated with it, or not go around changing the setups to begin with. They go out of their way to make a worse version of the story _for no reason._ Changes are not made to better fit the medium, just to fit the showrunner's whim. It. Shows.

[@Adanu191]

@@BobofWOGGLE You and I are not going to agree. I see good adaptations made for good reason within the spirit and context of the original story. You do not. I wish you luck in waiting for a 1:1 that is never going to happen, especially if this one fails.

[@adriekeur7429]

Compared to the books, this series is so laughably bad.

[@Amazing01420]

Honestly, the books aren't that great at this point in the series

[@backdownhippy]

I have been reading these books for more than 20 years and this show is just absolute garbage. I don't care if they have to change something here and there, but this isn't even the books anymore. My dad enjoyed the show because he never read the books. So I told him I would watch it with the mindset that I never had and even then I couldn't get it out of my head how bad all of this was. Where was Rand in the skies above Tarwin's Gap? Where was the pool of Sidin? The Green Man? Elane? Thom only showing up in White Bridge? WTF is all of these changes? Killing Loyal? (couldn't move on to season 2 so if he isn't really dead, good, but even still) and him being a pacifist? He was an amazing warrior! The ruined characters, they jumped the gun on things to add more sex and nudity. I could keep going on, but all of this was a big waste of my time to even humor my dad...

[@TheSamsamdd34]

weak show with weak directors create weak shows and weak people . all of Hollywood is dead

[@JayAshkevron]

"Six months and she taught you nothing." Because she can't women cannot teach men about the one power and men cannot teach women. So the entire argument is null and void. What a waste of dialogue. Not only that but Rand is the strongest channeler that has ever lived. Its a literal impossibility that Siuan be herself could have shielded Rand after he embraced the source. She just literally couldn't have done it. This show is crap.

[@Pikachuteal]

This is an adaptation. Not the book itself... Even Pokemon tv shows aren't 100% accurate according to the game or manga.. no one cares. so stop whining.