The Woke-ification of Metal

[@tommyvextofficial]

Unfortunately people are too sensitive to allow others to have their own opinions I could give a thesis on this topic as I have lived it

[@DjentBeard]

Dude! I was NOT expecting you here. But you´re right, no one is allowed to have an opinion anymore because god forbid you offend the 5 people that live on the other side of the world

[@tommyvextofficial]

@@DjentBeard it’s a stranger phenomena especially considering our culture was founded on “counter culture” traditionally metal punk hardcore amd death metal was intended to offend people with its art in order to make you question through shock or extreme instrumentation & imagery It’s bizarre how far we’ve strayed from our roots

[@tommyvextofficial]

@@DjentBeardlet me know if you ever wanna do an exclusive interview on this top pic

[@DjentBeard]

@@tommyvextofficial I´ll def hit you up!!

[@klimtklavier]

Ummmm, I think I just did, so please, go ahead !!!

[@deadgoon7460]

Member when metal didn't care about what society thought of them. I miss those days.

[@Aaron-wt4fx]

Remember when metal went out of its way to piss you off or upset you or be obscene? In High School and my early 20's my best friend used to always wear a Cradle of Filth shirt that said Jesus is a C**T on the back 🤘 but now metalheads bow at the altar of the trans community, its sooooo fn depressing

[@Biological_immortality]

Yeh that’s what happens when the mainstream makes it into a trend and they didn’t even know what the scene represented freedom no matter what free speech free to be who we are and not care not hurting anyone that’s for sure because metals heads were the nicest people or just genuine like the punks gave way to all your freedoms the hippies and shut u wouldn’t have free speech to be any alphabet label all these woke people just doing it now because we started it long ago

[@narcissus79]

I still listen to Impaled Nazarene and Marduk.. metal can still be hardcore. It feels like the deathcore scene is probably the most judgy at the moment..

[@Jerred14]

Metal has always cared what society thought of them. Metal absolutely hates war and bigots and jackass far-right culture. Metal is Anti-Right and usually always has been. its only when we let Christians make metal that it got worse :)

[@doomhead4203]

I member

[@neilkenneth859]

Being woke nowadays is much gayer than being gay per se.

[@DjentBeard]

LMAO

[@BobBruce-fs8fp]

Soyboys,simps male feminists etc are way less manly than gay men or nerdy virgins etc least masculine men on earth

[@ChessmasterHex]

Imagine having to be on tour with these snakes knowing that they re-recorded all the vocals and ditched CJ via an Instagram post...

[@DjentBeard]

I wouldn´t even look at them

[@marklar51423]

Imagine your front person doesn't like his band enough to protect it from their own personal opinions and intrusive thoughts, then admits the apology is fake and forced. Bands change lineups for a number of reasons. Get used to it.

[@ChessmasterHex]

@marklar4004 "front person" bro have you even seen the real apology that CJ wanted the band to upload but they wouldn't?

[@marklar51423]

@@ChessmasterHex you mean the apology CJ himself said he was forced to make and didn't want to offer in the first place?

[@ChessmasterHex]

@@marklar51423 Do you not listen? There is the one he was forced to make that the band uploaded but there's another one after that which he wanted the band to upload instead but they wouldn't. CJ goes into lot's more detail in the second apology vid...

[@ChadAV69]

I wish I was a musician with a giant following. I would speak my mind and when they try to cancel me I’d just tell them to fuck off.

[@ghost_to_a_ghost]

here, here!

[@MyBichSustained]

Then when your label threatens to drop you,call them fuckers out!

[@kattheshredder6]

Sometimes it’s a lot harder than you think but I’m right with you

[@an4yb7ack]

It's all about money in the end it's so gross

[@kattheshredder6]

@@an4yb7ack yep and most people would rather stay silent, keep thier jobs and play coward and then go on stage and tell other people to not be cowards and stand up for what they believe in face of opposition or adversity. The irony of the metal community

[@LeeCoins]

People are forgetting that if we can't use our words, the only other option is fighting. That's why we communicate in the first place. When cancel culture closes down the ability for discourse, ill never understand their surprise at the fight they find themselves in.

[@seth_5394]

Truer words have never been spoken

[@Hadgerz]

It's because they genuinely believe they're the only people entitled to speak

[@Otakutunes1]

As someone who was raised in the lgbt community and was groomed and traumatized by the shit I was exposed to by them I really appreciate CJ for speaking out for kids. I wish someone would have spoken up for me as a kid. I don't care what people say. Protect your kids.

[@jessenunez7205]

I’m sorry for whatever it is you’ve gone through

[@psycold]

Thank you for being strong and speaking out. We need more people like you. Sorry to hear about your struggles.

[@tinfoilhatoverlord]

Real shit.

[@zeus9715]

We don’t get a second chance at all. It’s kinda like “changing as a person” isn’t in the ideology. It’s strange how we talk about diversity and inclusivity, but only when it comes to looks but not when it comes to thought.

[@matthewpunk2012]

The woke mob are the least tolerant people.

[@kattheshredder6]

Because they need you to be a villain forever, it makes them think they are fighting against something

[@bledback2life]

Sure, CJ made his point clumsily. And gender warriors / identity politics zealots can shoot the messenger all they want. But the message itself is one of concern about a cult-like ideology and the damage it does to kids and youth.

[@whosasking6752]

I'm glad somebody other than myself feels like this is the one space where you should be able to have an opinion considering most of the lyrical content is shock value for the most part Edit: also super dope you do stuff with Sea Shepard. I found out they're one of the main sponsors for brutal assault

[@John.anti-carnist]

Is this djentbeard vegan then?

[@kevindeherdt1111]

its absolutely ridiculous that his former bandmates would do this or use this incident as an excuse for firing him when they have been making music about and stand behind the subject matter they have been writing about for half a decade now plus he basicly has carried the band since hes been theyre vocalist. its so messed up im torn by this

[@DemonessDesigns]

Metal is the scene that I was hoping / believed wouldn’t be affected by woke-ism.

[@Superabound2]

Its probably the MOST woke genre there is

[@sammyvandenburg]

@@Superabound2it’s arguably the most Satanic of all and thus the most woke of all. Transgenderism is as metal as it gets. CJ just thought it went too far (and it is) but it’s just as Satanic.

[@matthewpunk2012]

woke-ism has been the cool thing for half a decade, it's bleeding into everything mainstream

[@Aaron-wt4fx]

​@@Superabound2Facts! Its so pathetic

[@marklar51423]

You're kidding, right? Metal is full of ideologies. I find it entertaining when people start burning their Carharts, Kuregs, and now metal bands for firing one of their members. Now, if only those snowflakes would leave comment threads too because there are others different than them within the community.

[@sawftbunzzz]

They think they are above criticism. They also claim to want equality but are the first ones to point out why your different and wrong.

[@Joemama55122]

We need to stop pretending that having a thought is a crime an opinions arent dangerous or scary people are pathetic need to grow up

[@rolllimbo973]

It’s crazy how people gave Tim lambesis a pass but cj doesn’t

[@DjentBeard]

THIS

[@DjentBeard]

My source for Alice Cooper was wrong. Alice Cooper spoke on transgender care out of concern for the youth, not out of religion. Please don't cancel me.

[@sharzinlalebazri5673]

Based Alice Cooper not tolerating the troon scourge.

[@Skelfi]

Alice Cooper even had an anti-woke song named "Freedom".

[@Aaron-wt4fx]

Dont beg not to be canceled! 🤦‍♂️

[@DjentBeard]

@@Aaron-wt4fx r/woosh

[@Aaron-wt4fx]

@@DjentBeard how was i suppose to know you were joking 🤷🏻‍♂️ nuance gets lost in text

[@lordtraxroy]

I feel metal scene is becoming such a loveless scene where its not about unity when you like something and its more about provocative and if you say something against lgbtq or something that is not political correct people start cancel you although metal was a subculture that was meant to be about unity welcoming and respect also metal used to be a rebellous genre that is against social norms

[@barrywalker673]

Good content brother! Somebody was finally brave enough to tackle this issue. Metal can't be canceled. Woke bandmembers may fall victim to it, but true Metalheads will still follow a bunch of bands who's moral, religious, and political stance's don't match their own. I love a lot of bands who's members may conflict with my belief system be it through their lyrics or their personal choices in life. I also listen to a lot of punk bands that are extreme leftists (I.E. Leftover Crack) who's lyrics and lifestyles are a far cry from my own. So what! I don't believe that my way of seeing things is the one true way. People are different. I fully embrace differences be them politically, religious or other peoples personal choices. These woke people are intolerant hypocrites. Be woke all you want, just stop trying to brutally force your beliefs on the rest of us.

[@bensongbenson]

The band FIRED CJ and clearly stated that his comment was not the reason for the firing. Just another straw on the camel

[@benjaminlangner]

The magical thing about the internet machine is that I, as a straight, conservative, Christian, find myself agreeing completely with a bisexual theistic Satanist and with total respect, and as far as I can tell, the world hasn't imploded yet

[@DjentBeard]

The respect is mutual my friend

[@sammyvandenburg]

Absolutely. Just because somebody is wrong on 50% doesn’t mean everything he or she says is wrong. We can agree to disagree on differences rather than cancelling each other out.

[@benjaminlangner]

And, just because I disagree with someone on a specific thing doesn't mean that I have to hate them or even dislike them. I've never understood that attitude @@sammyvandenburg

[@Wyldwulf]

Satan just called and said that hell has frozen over.

[@GoatGodBaal]

This is going to be a long comment so skip if you don't want to read. I am a trans person. Knew pretty much my whole life I was born with the wrong parts. Came out as trans once I knew what transgender was and have had surgery since. I am pissed that people want to put laws into place that restrict or outright ban my ability to get the medical care I need. I will say I agree to a certain level that the LGBTQ+ is partly to blame as well. I fully believe we need to push for equal rights and protections, but I know there is a select few in the community that do more harm by, as you said, shoving it down peoples throats. The hypocrisy in the community upsets me so much. I just want to live in a country where I have full rights and protections without people sayin I am disgusting and deserve to be burned for being myself. And I will also add that no one is forcing kids to get surgery and drag queens aren't predators. If people would take the 5-10 minutes to actually research this, they'd see its just bullshit lies to push the mostly religious-conservative narrative that it should be banned. (THOUGH there are maybe a handful of cases that I have read about parents forcing it on their kids for whatever reason but that's a SUPER RARE thing and I don't believe any kid even got surgeries or hormones. I could be wrong so feel free to POLITELY correct me if I am wrong.) That being said, on the topic of Thy Art firing CJ, I am split on the issue. People have the rights to their opinions as long as their opinions aren't bigotry or wishing harm/death to someone else, say what you want. I also feel like a lot of celebrities fail to realize that they are more seen than the average person. They have a large audience and sometimes that audience will disagree with their opinions. And most certainly someone can't predict or control how others feel about a statement. I know I will have people who agree and disagree with what I say here and that's okay. While I think as a whole its sad for someone to lose their job over their opinions, in CJ's case, I wonder if he took a moment to think about pressing post. The hate transgender and gender-nonconforming people are getting right now is honestly unwarranted. It's the hot-button item right now so of course everyone wants to put their 2 cents in. But there is a better way to go about saying it. I know CJ will never see this but I genuinely hope he will look into things more than just a surface level to get a full understanding of the transgender community and what we deal with. If his genuine concern was for kids, I'm glad but as I said way earlier, it pretty much doesn't happen. We just want to be able to be ourselves without someone hurling garbage at us. Anyways, thanks to those that read this essay. Hope your days and nights go well

[@DjentBeard]

I have read your entirecomment, and am not gonna speak on most of it, since i myself am not trans, and therefore not in a position to do so. But what i can speak on, is what CJ said. What he said was brutal and yes, maybe not for social media, BUT he did NOT target trans people. I want to make that very very clear. I personally feel that something as sensitive as being trans or the posibility of, should not be brough upon kids that can't even form full sentences yet.

[@GoatGodBaal]

@@DjentBeard I totally agree LGBTQ+ issues as a whole shouldn't be brought up until an age where the kid can understand it. If they ask, try explaining in terms they get or just tell them "When you are older and can understand better." Like I wouldn't tell a 5 year old what the Holocaust was. Some topics are more suited for certain ages.

[@luis_punisher9045]

Metal bands used to upset people of varied genders, religions, ethnicity, sexual orientations, and political beliefs. Nowadays, the only people metal bands upset are metalheads.

[@Legin-kj8mt]

CJ is a great man he lived within 300 metres of my place in Cambridge gardens he is and still remains the only person that I trusted to babysit my kids this was over 12 years ago he is extremely fortunate in having a great family with a great and strong standing in the local community he’s a great friend and a man of morals and honesty My kids now 25 and 22 still love him and still see him albeit once a year when he along with the band would perform in Penrith basically his hometown. He’s a great guy and a true friend. Regards Legin

[@greatvaluecorndog]

no one in the comments even read the statement from thy art is murder. cj was fired because he was being a huge asshole to the band, and then dared them to fire him. so they obliged.

[@MrCarcass1978]

If this was the case why would they record their new album with CJ on vocals? If he was the arsehole he's been made out to be they would have dumped him ages ago. Thy Art have gone 100% woke and CJ's opinions doesn't fit the band's narative. I met CJ a while back and he was a top bloke, an absolute gentleman. As we say here in Australia, CJ is a good cunt😂🇦🇺🦘🪃💪.

[@KPGuitarStudios]

Awesome man, you nailed it, thank you for speaking your mind on this. Keep it metal 🤘

[@Denden-mx9gl]

We went to metal to escape from the bullshit of society and metal says fuck you to that, now it's joining the woke movement. Really sad.

[@frankid5431]

It's really terrible to see them label CJ as a Nazi, rapist, and homophobe on the internet. He is portrayed as a person he absolutely is not. Truly alarming.

[@KytexEdits]

NOBODY is calling him any of these things except maybe *some* saying homophobe. As usual, you imagine an issue where there isn't one. People are calling him a disgusting person and a transphobe, for in an unironic way saying that a mother deserves to die. How do you go from "transphobe, disgusting" to "nazi, rapist (wtf where did rapist come from even lmao?)"?

[@frankid5431]

@@KytexEdits have seen for myself that people claim these things. Just because you don't have it doesn't mean that these things aren't being said

[@CABALDRUMMER]

Awesome TED talk! Appreciate your 'cojones' to do so, and in a humble and honest way. My two cents... We are in the era of "Guilty until proven Innocent" and not the other way around.

[@kobweb2994]

Thanks for breaking this situation down, I watched the rockfeed video and they didn’t even give the context of what CJ said.

[@borivoj_navratil]

Thank you Djent for addressing this situation. Regards from a 52 y o metal fan from Moscow! Stand a 100% by what you said about modern metal scene getting all soy and degenerate through adhering to pc dictatorship.

[@MetalHoofd666]

Thats from one side of the story, do you know the rest of it? 😏

[@bigmind8508]

I see why CJ got fired from that post. Australia is a shitshow right now.

[@therolando608]

It's not cancel culture, it's consequence culture. You have the freedom to say whatever stupid, hateful, ignorant crap you want. But in the same vein, everyone else also has the freedom to respond to said crap. So good on Thy Art is Murder for sacking CJ and looking out for the best interest of the band, their music, and their fans.

[@RobertT1999]

You say "Freedom to respond", but what constitutes a response?

[@yepwhatever1142]

I don't think most normal people have a problem with what CJ said, it's the motherfuckers in power that are pushing the trans agenda.

[@matthewpunk2012]

​@RobertT1999 Anything (that doesn't challenge their ideology).

[@therolando608]

​@@RobertT1999 As a fan, a response to a musician you strongly disagree with could be stop streaming their music, stop buying their merch, stop buying their CDs, unfollowing them on a social media platform, emailing them, etc. In other words, completely normal and logical things to do to distance yourself from something you no longer wish to support. That's not cancel culture, that is consequence culture.

[@quaesitor6428]

Mobs are stupid, people aren't. What do you do when a mob of idiots tries to lynch you, are we doing witch-hunts again all of a sudden? Just because a lot of uneducated retards agree on something doesn't mean it's right.

[@coolstuffsam4468]

Naw it’s just deathcore no one would give a F in death metal or thrash

[@DjentBeard]

Fact

[@coolstuffsam4468]

@@DjentBeard i feel like the super sensitive people are into deathcore because they want to be “more different” but that’s just a theory… a metal theory

[@DjentBeard]

@@coolstuffsam4468 MattPatt reference = insta respect

[@juliamcnamara2417]

Metal is (NOT)SUPPOSED TO BE butthurt!!!! I stand with CJ. Take us back to the 80s and 90s to many weak ass people nowadays

[@unknow3000]

Metal is all about Darkness hatred world bloody aggressive anti politicians everything opposite of rock hip hop pop & R&B does mostly liberalism lonnies Totally stand with CJ the band wont last long before they disbanded soon.

[@stephenhughes5156]

At least we have Hatebreed.

[@Eringobragh2024]

Thank you man for standing for the fact that metal is NOT supposed to be woke. So many modern musicians and fans have been completely liberalized nowadays and think they're being a rebel by literally following every single mainstream, corporatized narrative.

[@ryancockcroft4043]

Imagine thinking you're a rebel by agreeing with everything the government says and being PC 😂 you're so right, these people call themselves anarchists but they all put their masks on when daddy government told them too didn't they. Well dome CJ nice to see a lot of people in the comments not submitting

[@thedarkapex5327]

Metal has always had progressive, punk, deep, ideological messages in it It stands against tyranny of ALL kinds, its always been "woke" and political

[@ryancockcroft4043]

@thedarkapex5327 woke in its meaning today IS the tyranny. They don't want you to notice patterns, speak your mind or believe differently from them. Woke is the problem, not being political.

[@PotatoKing86]

​@@thedarkapex5327real

[@PotatoKing86]

​@@ryancockcroft4043LMAO

[@braggingrightsmusic]

So nice to see someone address all this

[@LiamDunn-gd4no]

I think social media to some extent has made some people so self centered that they can only make or consume music they morally agree with, and stupid enough to think because the band write such horrible lyrics that they must be a potential rapist or nazi. It is as though we are going back to the way it was in the 1970s -1980s with Judas Priest sitting in court.

[@andrewdavis7794]

Don't talk about black metal? It's one of the most metal genres!

[@DjentBeard]

True! But there´s a certain sub-scene that i´d rather stay away from 😅

[@ianswift3521]

yeah and it should be djent. @@DjentBeard

[@youngmadman13]

Metal has been my outlet for venting out all my frustrations and pent up emotions, and it is the last thing I want to be ruined by this nonsense. Christ, this is no longer a world I want to live in.

[@therolando608]

Wishing mothers would burn alive is not "nonsense". CJ has some extreme views that should not be tolerated by bandmembers or their audience.

[@Willie_Jones76]

​@@therolando608snowflakes much,she should be as she's transing her kid,or at the very least,have her kid taken away from her!😤

[@thedarkapex5327]

​@@Willie_Jones76I heavily disagree with indocteranation of ANY kind, whether religious or otherwise BUT NO, no she does NOT deserve to be brutally murdered over THIS, is she a bad mom, yeah but we are not some barbaric society that slaughters people over this shit Youre likely just being a stan and bending over backwards to defend someone you idolize but still, CJ is a lunatic

[@weirdhilltodieonbutatleast9268]

​@@Willie_Jones76Check yourself into a mental hospital.

[@vividchrxmez]

This video is so truthful and honest...I love how it's not sugar coated

[@guitargamesandliverpool]

You are going to piss off a lot of people with this and I love it! 😂

[@jessickalush3305]

Alex Terrible rules 🖤

[@unknow3000]

He is the sickest dude & Russian certainly dont support what loonies Activities leftists does.

[@SinCityRadio2077]

BASED take, worst thing ever happened to metal, im no wizard but I predicted this, the loudest voices get amplified, and the combination of streaming plataforms and lockdown makes everyone stick in their lanes, and sac their friends for money and clout, it happened to every influencer and of course spilled into metal eventually.

[@josflorida5346]

If you have to cancel someone for their opinion then that means you have no argument for YOUR stance

[@ryancockcroft4043]

Correct

[@therolando608]

Alright, well I hope you're true to your word then and continue to keep listening to Thy Art is Murder! Because if you stop listening to them, you're just canceling them and that would be hypocritical!

[@josflorida5346]

@@therolando608 lol yeah no. And it's not the same. Nice try trying to put cancel culture in the same category as a boycott. Completely different

[@josflorida5346]

@ryanpease2787 A boycott is an act of nonviolent, voluntary abstention from a product, person, organization, or country as an expression of protest. The purpose of a boycott is to inflict some economic loss on the target, or to indicate a moral outrage, to try to compel the target to alter an objectionable behavior. Cancel culture or call-out culture is a contemporary phrase used to refer to a form of ostracism in which someone is thrust out of social or professional circles-whether it be online, on social media, or in person.

[@eljaguar-ir5bo]

Glad to know I'm not alone in this. Metal has always been left oriented, we've always had activists and vegans but people used to have a thicker skin. You see, this is the reason I don't hang out with young metalheads, they're so woke and sensitive. I told them the new generation is supposed to rebel and shock us old timers, not be outraged by everything we say.

[@cookkill2]

It all boils down to the statement:'everyone is entitled to their own opinion (unless its not the same opinion as me)'

[@carlklaus8580]

i respect your beliefs @DjentBeard. do i agree with them all probably not. im a very hardcore Christian that loves metal. as a metal community we need to rally around eachother and respect others beliefs and opinions regardless of whether we agree or not. im of the belief of if your not physically hurting someone leave them alone. love you and hail metal

[@manox14]

It's an interesting topic because "cancel culture" is literally just a by-product of "people having their own opinions." Like if you say some shit that a lot of people dont agree with or got offended by, you are going to have to deal with their opinions on what you said. It's not just a one way street. That being said, I hate when people actively gun for the jobs or livelyhood of a person and try to get them fired. That being said, if you say some shit like "you arent a man unless you eat pussy" is going to get some flak from the gay community. And they are gonna spread it around. Or if you make comments that make it seem like you arent for trans people or discussions around them, then you are gonna get flak from people who are trying to make the world more inclusive. I think I fundamentally disagree with you on the whole "if what I said doesn't target you, then shut up" mentality. We are living in an age where people are more connected with each other and are finding out how much getting bullied, ridiculed, not having your existence being respected, etc can fuck with the development in people (blacks in america, lgbtq, trans, autistic, whatever). Saying "nothing you can do will change that" is just kinda BS because that completely ignores all the progress society has made for being more accepting of people and just serves to keep status quo. A lot of that work was done by people who arent in those groups but are speaking up for them since they are such a minority who have historically been ignored and dismissed. To say that just existing and asking for people to validate your existence is not "jamming your ideas down your throat." You said it yourself, it's important to have conversations like this. But apparently for some folks, seeing a minority group get some attention for once = "they're shoving their ideology down my windpipe waaah" as if we havent been enjoying the same attention (at the expense of others) for decades and decades. I'm sorry for the long post. Wanted to write it out in a way that hopefully doesn't feel aggressive or whatever. I feel like half the problem nowadays is that shit has become so polarized that anything to do with peoples rights and inclusivity is now deemed "woke". Just feels like a cop out so people dont have those conversations. Same with leftists completely making sweeping statements about the right, like if someone is for less strict gun control, suddenly theyre some fascist or whatever else. It's not that simple and people are too up their own asses to make smart conversations about this stuff.

[@Ridgegetsreal777]

It's not 50 50 tho. The right respects the lefts views and puts politics aside, the left can't do the same

[@manox14]

@@Ridgegetsreal777 see that's the kind of generalization(completely not true BTW. I've seen hundreds of videos of people on the right show a complete lack of respect / understanding of topics) tell ourselves to keep from having a conversation about anything. If we keep telling ourselves this crap to pretend that we're in the right for acting a certain way, we aren't doing any kind of meaningful work towards solving the actual issues. Just turning the conversation to "well this side does _____ and I don't like that"

[@GoatGodBaal]

@@Ridgegetsreal777 I have seen so much disrespect on both sides. The Right sure as hell doesn't respect the left. Just turn on Newsmax or Fox to hear them hurling insults to liberal/left leaning people and how Democrats are the spawn of Satan. Both sides need to sit down and do their jobs instead of fighting with one another because they have different opinions/beliefs.

[@ChickenJoe-tq6xd]

⁠@@manox14where is the right trying to censor any conflicting opinions? It’s literally only the left trying to censor any “wrong think” so they can push their ideology and nobody can have their own worldview, everyone has to be exactly the same or they deserve to get attacked, pretending that it’s 50/50 is just plain wrong because nobody on the right is trying to censor any leftist opinion

[@NopeMcPronto]

@@Ridgegetsreal777 "The right respects the lefts views", LMAO, that's funny.

[@joshsingleton3480]

Preach on, brother!!! Ive been feeling the same way for what feels like a decade now... everybody wants to flag everyone else for saying anything "outside the lines", but that is ALSO opinion!! That's the same as saying "your opinion is wrong,but mine is right!" Isn't that what we're trying to het away from as a society?!?!

[@ZiqM4]

He should go completely independent, we all know that it wasn't the band that got him kicked out but the "higher ups" that dictate everything around the record company.

[@spinnymathingy3149]

Hey, cool discussion. But from an Australian perspective this whole discussion (mostly) is purely a product of American culture, this seems so foreign to hear about that it’s actually a thing Please lighten up, chill out over there in the US 👍🇦🇺🤘

[@DjentBeard]

I agree hahaa, over here in Europe stuff like this wouldn´t happen at all, it´s always the US scene that blows everything out of proportion

[@andrewdavis7794]

Well this will be the last thy art record I care about, unless they have absolute bangers from now on like they have been.

[@ryanlangdown6918]

Stop the falg cult .

[@ironj100]

CJ SHOULD HAVE NOT SAID What he said BUT HIS BAND now SUCKS

[@YouareasheepX]

He can say whatever the hell he wants. All of you are cowards that care about everyone feewings bc of a "made up image that will effect their money." Look at ALL the lyrics this band spews.... and this is what we are worriee about.... Hahahahahahahahahahahaha grow up.

[@nox-69]

It's about time someone spoke up about this. I really hope its not the majority of the population that is this stupid. If it is I'm not sure how long the scene is gonna last, its turned into pathetic shriveled up homunculus

[@necro.daemoness666]

Imagine listening to Metal and crying about; "Hate", every heard of Black Metal?

[@tails_show_tv]

modern metal sucks in old days (I wasn't even alive back then :D ) you could say anything you want

[@ThatShitGood]

Some woke bands to mention in case anybody wanna know who they are and stop listening to their wokeass music👇🏻: Thy Art Is Murder To The Grave Fever 333 Ocean ate alaska Hacktivist Architects Polaris Darkest Our Parkway drive The Ghost Inside Arch Enemy Motionless in white Year of the knife Power trip Rammstein Venom prison Epica Within temptation At the gates Dying fetus Heaven shall burn Gojira

[@metalflower9543]

And 'Lord of the Lost' 🤮

[@Wheresthepepsibismol]

Yep most of them are core bands and symphonic metal bands and they all are woke motherfuckers they ain't getting a cent out of me

[@weirdhilltodieonbutatleast9268]

I'll check them out. Thanks. ❤

[@TiffanyBarstow]

I'm going to listen to all these bands now. Thank you for the recommendations. ❤🎉

[@KP-ol3tc]

Forcing someone to bend at the knees it's not inclusion, it's confusion. Great follow up bossman

[@josflorida5346]

Ayyy! Learn about marxism and you will see its just that! Confusion by design

[@Wheresthepepsibismol]

I started listening to metal to escape reality but now its tainted by the wokeness bullshit like can we just tune to Eb standard again and play downpicking riffs and worship slayer

[@klimtklavier]

Metal has always been the playground for the weirdos. I don't say that as an insult. As a teen female in the 80s,I was safer and treated with respect at thrash metal shows. I went to Rollins Band shows (89-91) with my best friend, and we were the only girls in the pit,up front, at small clubs, to the point that Henry recognized us and had a female friend keep half an eye on us. But we were fine. Rob Halford was in the closet for years, and Lemmy would spit on cancel culture. I saw Metallica w/ Cliff Burton open for Ozzy and the whole stadium seats were pulled apart and thrown all over, just totalled and we had a great time. Ozzy was asked about it the next day and he laughed and said he'd pay for the damage ! And this was 1986. My brother is five years younger than me and saw what I wore to high school... my denim jacket with a Judas Priest patch on the back. To my college prep courses. He listened to what I was listening to, and then started playing bass. He's the one who was a bouncer at a strip club, and who got me into Gojira. And I'm from New Jersey, a bridge and tunnel girl who went to NYC for shows. My brother knew one of my best friends was a gay male, and he also knew my friends were a mixed bag of people, because I was not a groupie but I had friends who were, I was not about giant hair and bustiers... I loved L7 (and still do). I only found out about Thy Art Is Murder from the Slaves Beyond Death video of a live show that is hilarious and I wanted to be in that pit !!! The biggest and best thing about metal is it has always been a place for humor as well as political commentary ... my brother's school principal told him he could not wear his Metallica Metal Up Your Ass teeshirt *the toilet with the knife sticking up out of it*, and my brother worked at a gas station and bought his clothing. He told his principal, ":listen, mister, when you buy my clothes you can tell me what to wear" ... which this adult thought my parents should come in for a chat about. My brother was just wearing a teeshirt at school, he wasn't making a statement other than he was a Metallica fan and it was to him a funny shirt. So my parents went and said they were fine with his shirt and were fine with their kids listening to whatever music, reading whatever we wanted (my brother had dyslexia, so for me it was read but Mark it was music and taking apart engines). Really puzzled the guy, but my dad was proud of my brother for saying what he said. My brother is not a big talker. He is, however, a father of a nine year old girl who is really doing well in martial arts and competing, and is a big Gojira fan, and also older stuff, because as a teen my brother was Beavis on a Cornholio bender 24-7. He went to see White Zombie tripping on acid with his best friend and they were rolling around on the floor .. just laughing and nobody was bothering them, in fact, many people up front were also just enjoying themselves. My brother loved Sean (the female bassist) and ended up getting the same bass she played. Ignorance and Fascism go hand in hand, and they have no sense of humor, satire, catharsis, or a feeling of community based on mutual like of a band or a book or a movie... or women wanting to have birth control, men wanting to be who they are and not try to pretend they re something they're not. Pantera was a BIG ONE for me and my brother, especially Walk. Just play it and listen to the song. Pantera now is just Anselmo trying to make a buck, but Zakk is there out of love for Dimebag. Who is right ? Man, I don't know, Iiked Metallica and Megadeth, still love Anthrax, and now love Jinjer and Clutch. "YOU CAN'T BE SOMETHING YOU'RE NOT / BE YOURSELF BY YOURSELF STAY AWAY FROM ME". Respect. Walk. Are you talking to me ? Walk on home, boy... My rant. Cancel culture can suck my left one.

[@Nawkt]

Going along the whole "Everyone is allowed an opinion" comment, you're right. And everyone is allowed to react to it how they want. CJ, by the looks of it, was a piece of shit in person towards the band as well. He was free to make his awful comment. The band is free to drop him because of it. At the end of the day, this is how the real world works, it's not a by-product of some "cancel culture" (which isn't actually real anyways). Make disgusting remarks, prepare for the consequences. And TAIM will be fine, there's at least 5 other vocalists that have monotone mid-ranged vocals that they can replace him with.

[@ryancockcroft4043]

Cancel culture isn't real 😂 don't be a liar all of your life.

[@ThorsShadow]

Holy shit, you DID make a shirt out of it. I love you, man. 🤘🏻❤️ And honestly, you could put this entire video on a shirt.

[@athenaaideron1990]

but.. but... but... :( my opinions ... not my opinions :( ... anything but my opinions :( - fans relate to their music and when artists make their opinions known like that, they alienate their following. It's almost like they dont understand that a full spectrum of people are fans, and the angry woke people arent coming for them, they were already there in the room, they used to be fans and related to the music. Their anger is closer to betrayal than vindication - you think youre hard until the gays come for you, this is the lesson. Real lesson would be more just stfu and stick to music mate and vice versa.

[@No20six]

The problem is that at this point it's not just opinions anymore. People are actually being marginalized and hurt, because of these so called opinions. Sure you can say whatever you want, but you have to consider that what you're saying isn't being said in a vacuum. It feeds certain narratives that actually hurt people. So why not think twice before you say anything? I don't get it, why is it so hard to just be a little considerate to other people. Is your opinion really that important? Did the people you're talking about really have to say those things? What purpose does it serve, but to fuel the fires that already raging towards the LGBTQ+ community and esp Trans people. We all see what is happening around us and how the LGBTQ+ community is being vilified. You can even see it in this comment section. And it's all based on nothing but hateful opinions that are being shared for no other reason than to hurt people. Nothing is based on facts anymore.

[@DjentBeard]

Well see, you just did the same thing. You assume that everything that´s bad is being said or done so to hurt people, while most of the time it´s ignorance and uneducated rambling. No one WANTS to hurt people, and the ones that do spread actual hate should be held accountable. Not just people with a big platform that didn´t even intend harm most of the time.

[@No20six]

@@DjentBeard That’s absolutely true! But these comments/opinions that are based on ignorance still have an impact. Because they’re not being said in a vacuum. I feel like the intent in and of itself matters less and less. Because of these internet echochambers. A simple opinion made out of ignorance can spread and feed the lies of people who actually do want to hurt. So why not stop and think before you post your opinion, do a little research before you actually form an opinion. And sometimes… it’s also okay to not have an opinion or if you do, not share it? But yes I do absolutely agree, I don’t think any of the things mentioned in your video were said out of malice.

[@DjentBeard]

@@No20six i 100% agree that sometimes an opinion is yours and should be kept to yourself. Critical thinking is so so important. But then on the other side of the blade, conversation and awareness for marginalized groups would´ve never started if everyone kept their opinions to themselves. Someone had an opinion thay wasn´t all to nice, and someone else said ´let me educate you and see how you feel´ and THAT is something i fully support. But rn it´s an all out war between everyone and we´re all losing.

[@Doood692]

Just remember that the powers that be want us fighting over this stuff. Divide and conquer.

[@quaesitor6428]

We don't need to vilify you guys, you're doing the heavy lifting yourselves. It's wonderful how we went from "We just want to be accepted." to "We want to marry whoever we want." to "We want the world itself to reflect our views or else!"

[@Undeadmetalhead87]

I don't like the modern metal music because they don't have balls to speak the truth. Bands these days bow down to this stupid woke culture BS. Metal is supposed to be offensive and stand up to the man, not bow down and being sensitive!

[@DjentBeard]

This

[@narcissus79]

Crazy thing is he was the only guy left from the original lineup. He should kick the rest of the guys out, not the other way around..

[@Grief944]

Off topic question: If People of better being a certain way I’m speaking gay or trans than who are you to judge them ?

[@ghost_to_a_ghost]

metal is and has always been polarizing and it his always been about rebelling against social constructs. that's why it's metal. it's just a heavier form of punk music. hardcore is where punk meets metal in the middle. all that said, this video was fantastic. you deserve more subscribers and you just got one. 😎

[@Nadesey]

It's okay to have genuine conversations about gender identity and trans healthcare, but all of that is gone when someone says that a parent should be k*lled because of their misinterpretation on gender identity and trans healthcare. It's even more harmful when this is done while having a very big audience like CJ. It didn't really add to the conversation but it just added to the hate and vitriol that some have toward topics because of the propaganda that they heard from right-wing influencers. I get that there are people on the left that will stop people from having these conversations, but that doesn't negate the fact that CJ was still wrong for saying that a parent should be k*lled.

[@DjentBeard]

I agree with that what he said was plain out wrong, i also said this in my other video. But what bugs me is that there is a 3 ,imute video of him explaining what he meant and apologizing, but no one seems to care, yet they want people to be held accountable? That's just not fair.

[@ChadAV69]

Yes, CJ was kind of messed up saying that she should get burned alive. I wouldn’t have said that. But he quickly took it down. He apologized too. I’ve said some dumb shit in real life and online. Human beings aren’t perfect, even though I know everyone on the left think they are. That’s why apologizing exists, to take shit back.

[@Nadesey]

@@DjentBeard I believe that CJ's concern for children is pretty valid and he is coming from a good place. Concern for children is 100% valid. It's just unfortunate that misinformation about gender identity and trans healthcare is widespread. These topics are unfortunately still taboo, in terms of the desire to learn about these things outside of the internet. Btw do you have a discord? I 100% would love to have a convo about this.

[@DjentBeard]

@@Nadesey Thats why instead of parttaking in attacking people that are wrong, there should be a bigger focus on educating people in a better and natural way. Also i believe my discord is in the description, otherwise just look for 'DJENTBEARD' in the community servers. :)

[@ChadAV69]

@@Nadeseybeing trans isn’t taboo. No one cares if you’re trans. What people care about is introducing it to kids who don’t need to know that they have the choice to mutilate their bodies at 5 years old. There are more people detransitioning than staying transitioned.

[@nyktopaint]

love your statement man 🤘 very well done, i fully agree

[@kraven505]

Good job, very well spoken, couldn't have said it better myself. ❤

[@SpiderHoe]

And this is why I watch reaction videos. Because it´s good to see if pepole agree with your type of opinion or if they have a different point of view on things. It´s totally okay to have your own opinion. That is why we are different individuals.

[@pronstorestiffi]

The irony here is that all the anti woke people are doing the exact same nagging that the woke people are doing, its just in reverse. Its so tiresome, boring and a waste of time.

[@DjentBeard]

We've become a vicious circle

[@Hughjaoses8766]

Just so you know, if you are a THEISTIC Satanist it inherently means you must believe in Satan and God as actual entities.Thiestic Satanism also practices Magick. The term "Thiesitic" means belief in a God, so if you are a Satanist but don't believe in deities you wouldn't be Thiestic you would be LaVeyan. I was a LaVeyan, and I grew out of it. Primarily because as much as the "Church of Satan" says they don't want to be an organized religion, all they do is attempt to become one. They are the edgy anti establishment dorks.

[@metalflower9543]

Thanks 👍🏻

[@charismalifecoach5439]

My brain is screaming along with all the metal heads from all this crap. Metal has always been a thought provoking super individual machine screaming an expressing itself because.. thats METAL! ppl who say woke every 5mins of course find issue with all metal and post negativity about every opinion these bands have and the scene in general shouldn't be effected by woke crappers. Now bands firing ppl over others opinions an its SICK!!

[@metalpuppet5798]

Transphobia is not an opinion. Its a crime. Just like homophobia and racism. Its all basically the same.

[@charismalifecoach5439]

@@metalpuppet5798 While I agree racism isn't right nor aggressive acts stemming from Transphobia or homophobia its all been watered down an generally is not a crime unless a crime is committed. Back then racism with abuse was the norm now if your uncomfortable around black ppl your a racist. Those phobias are mostly from a core of not understanding an being unable to comprehend it. Calling these crimes in of itself is a quite an overkill statement an I expect nothing less from this weird woke thing that we all know and love now.

[@metalpuppet5798]

@@charismalifecoach5439 Transphobia and homophobia is always aggressive because even if you "just" make comments online and sell them as "your opinion" its still going against peoples human rights. It is NOT fair that gay and trans people just have to deal with that because its "your opinion". And by spreading it as "your opinion" you are in fact causing more actual real violence etc against gay and trans people because the people doing these crimes feel accepted

[@charismalifecoach5439]

@@metalpuppet5798 So because there is internet now all these opinions ppl had before over eccentricities are now crimes 🙄 gathering grains of sand for a stupid sandcastle I say. I am now a criminal because I can't ever understand taking my pp off nor do I wanna coddle someone because of their choice even if they are a friend. If it is widely known such ppl will get the odd comment an you can either accept it or burn the world to ash because that's the only other way.

[@Pindyyy]

Not very metal to give a shit what soft people think

[@DjentBeard]

Not very metal to care about people in general

[@levifuentes9196]

Great argument. Just gotta say, it can be used on both sides. Same exact argument can be used to support the band. That spark that you said fades away quickly goes both ways. People only care about CJ until the next “shiny object” gets our attention. True, people that dont know the full story went along with the offended side. But also people that dont know the full story took CJs side. You’re right, nobody cares if you’re LGTBQ. Just as much as no one cares if you’re against cancel culture. That’s one thing we can all do as a while world. We dont give a fuck.

[@Sherry_Armstrong]

this is why I dont listen to metal music in the usa and I live here . I got for my music in other countries . they are normal. Metal = anti establishment

[@angmori172]

Metal is about being rebellious. The least rebellious thing in the world is caring whether weak people are offended by what you say, or not. The second least rebellious thing in the world is to be on the same side as the entire political and media establishment. Doesn't matter what your music SOUNDS like, if you are a g**-wad p***y-a** little b**** who gets offended when people say "leave the children alone", or if you cow-tow to such people, you are the furthest thing from Metal in existence. Make Metal Based Again

[@Hadgerz]

When metal and punk etc 'started' they were always very vocally anti-establishment genres ... the establishment at the time being conservative. But now those 'anti-establishment' Progressive sentiments are the Party line, and right now bands like Thy Art are sitting comfortable with the political power they're currently being afforded by the suits who pay their bills so long as they toe the line. BUT...Progressivism is a purity spiral forever moving further and further, driven by the most virtuous (read: radical) members of the ideology. Just a matter of time til the Overton Window shifts too far and they realise they have to draw a line (that they're still toeing the line is disgusting to say the least and CJ is fantastic for standing up). The establishment will come for each and every one of those weak people who were plenty happy to betray and financially ruin CJ all to save their own skin, and they'll find no sympathy from the other 'rejects' they cast aside. Nobody will speak for them. The spiral continues.

[@TiffanyBarstow]

CJ is facing the consequences of his actions. He needs to be held accountable. So many of you guys shriek and piss yourselves over "wokeism" but I can guarantee that 95% of you guys can't even define woke. No good person is transphobic. Period. CJ made his bed and he is now laying in it. Freedom of speech DOES NOT mean freedom from consequences! If you want to say something provocative, be prepared to face potential backlash. This is something that you guys should have been taught as children. All of you throwing tantrums over CJ being RIGHTFULLY fired need to grow up! End of discussion.

[@jacobbeam1202]

I regret preordering their latest album. I listened to a bit before I heard the news, & fucking knew something sounded off. Can’t wait to hear what CJ does next!

[@based_circuit]

If you preordered then it should have CJ’s vocals. My vinyl literally just arrived in the mail today but I haven’t opened it yet to see if CJ is credited in the LP. It’s late and my powers out right now so I can’t see. Check back with me in like a day if anyone is curious what I find.

[@jacobbeam1202]

@@based_circuit I preordered the digital iTunes copy. The single that dropped a month or so ago had CJ, but the rest of the album sounds off.

[@PhishyMan]

Complaining about wokeness, especially in context of defending a band with a whole anti religion album. “Die for Christ, die for Allah, die for Jerusalem, die for Torah”. Anti wokeness seems like it comes from a religious standpoint. And the band said that cj was trying to take it down, so regardless of what he believed, that is unacceptable

[@DjentBeard]

The world would be better off being anti-religious instead of having woke culture shoved down their throat, so no. You´re wrong.

[@michalwlosik3544]

Amen to everything you said.

[@CoryHatfield]

CJ & Alice 4 lyfe!

[@Demossi]

Exactly this!

[@joaquinjordan5476]

Great point of view!!! Greetings from Bolivia 🇧🇴!!!

[@seankerwin1559]

That beard is very Djenty

[@DjentBeard]

Thank you kind sir

[@AndreLima-kq8hn]

Ansioso pela volta do CJ em um projeto novo, ele é um monstro do rock 🤘 🎸

[@jmarie0527]

Agree 100% ❤

[@based_circuit]

Take a look at basically any comment section on various social media on this topic, and you’ll see where the 99.9% stand in this issue. The silent majority have been very patient and tolerant for a long time now and we’ve reached a breaking point. This shit is finally getting turned around. I’d recommend the minority really reflect right now and ask who the true bigots are and if being a boot licker is worth it.

[@bridgetxrose]

While I believe his choice of words was a huge error in judgment, I do agree on his stance. Children that young cannot make a choice on whether they are trans or not, and especially should not have any procedures before adulthood to change genders. Even most transgender people agree with me on this. Im apart of the 🏳️‍🌈 community myself, but there are limits to everything. I have 3 small children, and I dont believe they have the mental capability to make a choice like that. But if they chose to transition later in life (adulthood) or they were gay, I would be supportive. I do believe there were other issues in the band besides his online post, like the band said, and maybe this unwanted attention was what lead to his dismissal, but Im sure he would have been cancelled anyway due to the backlash.

[@usernamechecksout]

Life's tough, get a helmet! Interesting message dude, quite libertarian (the part about minding your business and not trying to shove it down people's throats).

[@Antisocialtendencies]

If you boycott a band because you don’t like their political view doesn’t that make you as bad as the woke people ?

[@Hadgerz]

"You're as bad as Hitler because you're speaking out against Hitler' is not an argument.

[@allenedward4364]

this world is so ludicrous. Both Alice and CJs main point seemed to be protecting young children who dont know any better from making life altering decisions, and yet somehow THEIR wrong? ridiculous.

[@therolando608]

"Mother should burn alive" is protecting children how?

[@t-nutz3370]

They can hate it doesn't change the fact its true that's why all they do is cry they cant actually engage with the argument

[@TheBurger444]

Right! If someone is bullied, just sit and watch the world falls!

[@zander3943]

completely agree

[@uddhav1080]

Yes, metal should be all inclusive, we should all be together and stand together to strive to be the most helpful community out there. And wehave been doing really well, only recently has the wokeness been bleeding into the metal community. We just need to be together, and not arguing with each other

[@thedarkapex5327]

Metal has always been pretty progressive

[@PotatoKing86]

LMAO