The Wolfe Tones, Late Late Show Debate, RTE - Part 1

[@galwayman1928]

Absolutely fantastic group. The music of the Wolfe Tones will live forever

[@williamlawlor7445]

Exactly. Love them and miss going to their gigs. Like Brian said they just sang about the story of Ireland. That's all they did.

[@leeleef]

Absolutely, they're amazing, singing of our history, I'm thankful I got to see them in the Quays in Galway, they are brilliant ❤

[@noelmoran5725]

Ó toole is a tool, Wolfe Tones da best rebel group in da 32 counties🇮🇪

[@PK-fk7bm]

The last time I checked Fintan O’Toole it is not a crime to be a Republican! 👍👊🇮🇪

[@ianclark6485]

God bless wolfe tone and the wolfetones

[@longmemory1620]

Thou shalt not kill

[@Cash4gold84]

Trump 2020 I bring sword not peace

[@Cash4gold84]

Trump 2020 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send [or bring] peace, but a sword

[@ddenolan]

Brill 😜😘

[@francisfay2210]

I'm from West Belfast. That journalist is an unapologetic Brit. He has no understanding nor does he want to understand what people up here have had to go through. People have a right to resist. The Wolfe Tones aren't ashamed to support that resistance. More power to them. They finish the West Belfast festival every year and are a total sell out. People up here love them. ❤

[@begley321]

To be called a rebel is no shame or mark of disgrace.....All the great asserters of Liberty, the saviours of their Country, the benefactors of Mankind, in all ages........HAVE BEEN CALLED REBELS

[@kevinmadden1152]

Saw them live in Cork yesterday, absolutely outstanding, ooh ah!

[@brianbrosnan6231]

The reaction by the Wolfe Tones is hilarious around 9:30 when the lyrics of 'Rock on Rockall' are read! Hahaha!! Up The Tones!!!

[@MichaelMarinov]

4i74t556b6

[@toon4life1892]

great people. met them a few times, down to earth and up for the craic!

[@jimmy27paul]

RTE is a west brit organisation and has been for years.

[@longmemory1620]

west brit is what IRA supporters call anyone who dares disagree with them

[@llokkee]

No actually, a west Brit is an Irish person who completely disregards their own history to the point of idiocy then tries to criticise their *fellow countrymen and women* who were left to fend for themselves within a brutally sectarian statelet controlled by people they have zero experience of (Loyalists) Be honest with yourself, how many conversations have you ever had with a loyalist or Unionist? How much of what went on the the 6 counties do you know about? Seriously, what decent right thinking person could form the opinions west brits do given our long and bloody history with Britain? If you are a supporter of anything Britain did here and you call yourself an Irish person, then you are without doubt 100% a true blue west brit. Its as simple as that Its got fuck all to do with the IRA .

[@margaretmurphy1546]

TRUE ,.OR THE USE OF THE WORD PEELER..IRISH GOT JOBS IN ENGLAND..

[@garymcgregor2598]

God save the king and northern Ireland 🇬🇧

[@johnmc3862]

@@garymcgregor2598Northern Ireland, a postage stamp of a country. As useful as an ashtray on a motorbike. Maybe they can do what Boris suggested for Hong Kong. They can head back to Britain.

[@eilishmeskell7245]

I love seeing the wolftones live lovely men and songs are a part of our history

[@martinbegley]

What a great song. Should be part of the history curriculum, because it did happen again, and again

[@scottblack9213]

I remember this - at the time, Ireland really did want to move on and stop being reminded of the anger and violence of the North - it was raw and a little too soon - Gerry Adams was the leader of Sinn Fein at the time and he was, and still is very much a seriously decisive figure in Ireland. Many people were very much looking to the future and trying to, honestly, forget about the past. In 2023 I would absolutely support the Wolfe Tones message, it's greatly appreciated now, but back then, it did feel exhausting and exasperating to keep on about it. My honest appraisal.

[@mickeytherat08]

crowds reaction says it all

[@Str8patriot]

I don't have a "dog in the hunt" so to speak, and I hope this would give an outsiders perspective to you guys. Going all the way back to the Anglo conquering of the Celts in the 12th century up until around 1922 when the Anglo-Irish Treaty went into effect gives a clear picture of why the Irish Catholics had enough by that time. When people are subjugated and oppressed for nearly 800 years it tends to give them a good idea about how they are valued by their ruling power. Since the late 1100s

[@eadweardwoden7309]

normans not english learn your own history.

[@jkkennedy9280]

@@eadweardwoden7309 normans with conscripted and volunteered english soldiers. Learn YOUR history

[@eadweardwoden7309]

@@jkkennedy9280 "volunteered english soldiers" like they had a choice, they where under serfdom and england by that time had been raped, pillaged and a genocide committed on its people, if the normans never invaded it would of never happened would it moron. plus the norman who invaded ireland had welsh arches with him and flemish troops, no english.

[@ThiefOfBreath]

"But "Up the RA" means "Up the IRA". "I know exactly what it means." hahaha!! great response 5:16

[@kbcmighty]

fintan otoole, self styled intellectual, loses a debate hands down with a ballad group . Also blames ballad group for the northern troubles. Pat Kenny....worst ambush since Custer thought to himself..lets get those indians.

[@longmemory1620]

Tom Carew wiped the floor with Brian Warfield on Liveline

[@aidanjoyce3248]

O toole is only a ffkknn tool.

[@tuforu4]

... O tool is crap

[@JeanySullivan]

They even talk with a musical rhythm! :-) Very nice band!

[@pookerville]

Gimmie a break, gents! The Wolfe Tones know what they're talking about!

[@rl5725]

I don't get the hypocrisy of some southerners, so it was ok to support the ira and have statues of members of the ira erected throughout the republic when THEY were fighting the british occupation, but once they get that freedom and the north carries on fighting its all of a sudden terrorism and racist, explain please, why was it okay for the tones to sing songs about the old ira in the south but not okay to sing songs about the ira in the north. these people should hang their heads in shame as im sure their ancestors are turning in their graves at their ignorance and arrogance

[@blainaidsherry7792]

+seco ndo Well the Provos are murdering thugs not the old IRA. They should be ashamed of themselves. So should the Wolfe Tones the old fools.

[@302Maddys]

The old IRA at least really faught against oppression. The new IRA is making problems where there are none.

[@sudocreme5080]

302Maddys absolute bullshit. The oppression in the 6 counties in the 60’s was horrible. Catholics were systematically denied the right to vote

[@llokkee]

You're absolutely right there rl2 Its disgusting for us up north to listen to these hypocritical morons point fingers and judge us for what they did themselves. How the hell do they think they aquired their cosy little free state? With the actions of the IRA! Idiots and morons. Its pure ignorance mostly but there are many people in the south who were enemies of the IRA from the civil war. Remember that, the Irish civil war was a bitterly fought conflict and Irish people have very long memories. The southern media are of course supporters of the status quo which suits many politicians and business men. The narrative in the south is one that promotes the false idea that Ireland somehow won the war of independence. This is so far from the truth when we look at what actually happened. The British divided the island against the wishes of the population through the threat of war. The men who acquiesced in the treaty became enemies of their former comrades in the IRA who wanted to fight on to free the entire island, not just the 26 counties of the Freestate. Those men and women who fought on are the direct predecessors of the Official IRA and the Provisional IRA The southern government have always been the enemies of the IRA. Whats sickening to us up north is when we hear some condescending moralising prick from the south attemtpting to lecture us about an issue they know nothing about. The main difference between the modern conflict up north and the war of independence down south was and is Loyalism. People down south have *No* idea what our experience was up here, nor do many of them care. Ultimately you are 100% correct, any southerner who labels our only defenders as terrorists yet praise the old IRA are ignorant and at times arrogant hypocrites. They sold us down the river then point a finger at us when we were left to defend ourselves by all and ay means necessary. .

[@llokkee]

"making problems where there are none" What a ridiculously ignorant assertion to make. Have you any idea what happened up here? Obviously not becasue nobody can be that ignorant of the historical facts. Go on, tel me, spell out exactly where there "was no problem" Idiot .

[@Str8patriot]

Howdy from across the pond! Love this song, came across it while looking for material to use in a Research paper for a University History class. The Irish struggle for Independence is something I have always been fascinated with, mostly because I didn't understand it much, if at all. I went in with no opinions and after mining through a metric Fuc&-Ton of historical records, journal articles, accounts, opinion pieces, etc... As I learned more and more I started to form an opinion.. (cont.)

[@mickser101]

Kenny and O'Toole, West Brits.

[@jamdodgeismyname1]

we need to be able to have a debate where people who don't support the IRA aren't instantly labelled as 'west-brits'

[@longmemory1620]

to dismiss someone else is bullying and that is what the IRA supporters resort to

[@mcivor321]

Don't support the IRA just can't understand why Fintan the pretentious o toole never ever talks about British terrorism/violence

[@Str8patriot]

...damn impressive that a country full of people who reside next door to the country that rules them can break free and become independent, especially considering that Great Britain was still one of, if not THE, most powerful Empires in the World at the time. When looked at from outside the situation it's almost impossible not to sympathize. I think being an American also contributes since that same heritage is rooted deep in many Americans as well. I'm not trying to suggest that one side..

[@brede6904]

I would love to see Pat Kenny interviewing Michael Collins; he probably tell him you shouldn’t shoot anybody☘️☘️☘️☘️☘️☘️☘️☘️☘️☘️

[@TirEoghainLad]

Billiant stuff-the cheer from the audience really shows what a futile point Fintan is trying to make!!!

[@trollfinger]

Going up to see them in Derry on Easter, should be a good one.

[@community647]

It doesnt matter what anyone thinks. Its freedom of speach.

[@Dilkingt0nne]

*Reads out song lyrics in a ridiculous attempt to show how supposedly terrible and shocking they are* Audience: WAHEYYYYY!!!!! HAHAHAHAH absolutely fantastic

[@annieanne545]

It was just a joke FFS poking at a country that is trying every which way it can to claim (some SAS man set up camp on the rock to prove that it could be lived on to support the British claim!) right to a rock so that they can drill for more oil and screw the planet up a bit more. In fairness Denmark staked a claim too for the same reason!

[@eamonmaher9169]

111

[@eddykeed]

My god Pat Kenny is a pure knob jockey

[@longmemory1620]

that homophobic comment says more about you than pat kenny

[@eddykeed]

BRAD PITT How is that in any way shape or form homaphobic?

[@lionelamery5666]

Eddie n

[@especially7great159]

The Wolfe tones wrote a great song called protestant men who who hated England and love Ireland and as a roman Catholic who married an English woman think the history is past let it lay. There's a reason for the tri colour green and orange and white for unity let us all be free xx

[@p-funk8160]

seen the Wollftones a few weeks ago, GREAT GIG. Fintan O'Tool....you clint.

[@paddypenman2682]

Fintan O'Toole, turning intellectual clap trap into effluent for decades, himself and Pat Kenny could be a humourless parody for the two grumpy old men on the Muppet Show, what an insufferable bore.

[@BeerNotPizza]

"the Continuity Wolfe Tones". lol.

[@GlAsSaRm]

peace and god will to all men and women

[@marxist-leninisttheory8023]

up ra

[@Burncourtable]

RTE as per usual doing a nice West Brit slash and burn job on our national history and heritage. Blaming songs for terrorism is spineless and weak. The wolfe tones have a right to sing what they want and they are still pouplar so take it for what it is.

[@colmmctaggart3871]

mustve been a sad day for rte to hear the wolfe tones play live

[@maggiegolder9433]

God bless the wolfetones

[@kevdonovan5309]

Ohh ah up the RA say ohh ah up the RA!!!!!

[@Cloughjordan23]

thank you for sharing. This is very very interesting.The political and social elites of The South had been shown up by The Republicans in The North. The Southern elites had sold out The North for their own comfy existence and The Troubles embarrassed The Government of The South and because The South had let this attitude spread The Republicans of The North had to protect themselves and fight a war anyway they could. Unfortunately if you don't learn from history then history repeats. It hurts me to say it,and I really didn't think I'd see it, but another group of Republicans have sold out those they were representing for a "comfy existence". There is still British Rule in Northern Ireland and it is enforced by once hardline Republicans.While there is still British rule and no matter who does the enforcing their will be a Republican Movement, no matter how small at times, bubbling away under the surface and waiting to reappear on a larger scale once the occupying forces do just one more thing that becomes the final straw that breaks the camels back.And the foolish Loyalists will still support the UK side despite The UK having also totally lied, and not shown any loyalty, to their own supporters.

[@vulij]

Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. They laid down their live's for political status and to further the Republican movement. Political volunteers like Bobby Sands MP have took Sinn Fein into the political mainstream and have brought us to the table wit the brit 'goverment/opressors' and unionists. We are on the brink, due to EU pressure at the lack of movement by the brits/unionist coalition, of a united Ireland. Our day is coming, and is very near.

[@Gonosen]

Up the Tones!

[@MrMarch2005]

hard to tell the host didn't like them.

[@johnmacerlean2584]

Tones are correct, " Be ar la linn" or as Gerry said, "tiochaidh ar la" it's 32 either way. Let our government get on stage and give it a go.

[@shanecanavan6717]

These songs are testament of out history

[@donaldstewart9827]

O'Toole is a west Brit, this is the same clown who called those Irish volunteers who were hanged in Mountjoy prison in 1920 "Terrorists" Those ten men were reinterred in Glasnevin cemetery with full military and state honours.

[@lisalondon1933]

well said wolftone fight for what u believe to be right till ya death beds fk wot he says loyal to the core lads x

[@patriciathewisher2315]

The Rockall song is quite brilliant

[@RamseyMcV]

I used to talk to this guy on Twitter. He is an apologist for British oppression. His ass is well an truely handed to him here. Dunt apologise for being Irish. They owe us. It's our time now.

[@jericho9653]

Pat should be ashamed of himself. RTE is a disgrace

[@clearytheory8826]

Do you see Fintan Old Tool sneering......

[@williamkelly9859]

Stand up and sat what you are. Gaý byrne was a west brit.thank god for irish people and republican music

[@Philoyouknow]

Fintan The Tool. End of.

[@toon4life1892]

met them,great lads,

[@Str8patriot]

...on and off, Irish Catholics seem to have been treated poorly and like 2nd class citizens pretty often. I can only Imagine, being a Southerner (American), 800 years of that treatment makes a group of people bitter, mistrustful, and angry towards their oppressors. Up to 1916 Ireland had tried, many different times, to rebel and break free of British rule and were unsuccessful. After WWI the conditions lined up perfectly for Irish Republicans to force the Crown and DLG to listen. When...

[@MrMarch2005]

doesnt look like these guys were expecting to be ambushed like that

[@coady5787]

Did they get back together?

[@peadarocolmain4850]

A great band. Fintan is a pain.

[@Str8patriot]

..or the other was right. I'm just trying to explain that from an outside perspective, the Irish Republican desire for a free and independent country seems worthy of being fought for and won. Resistance is a messy business and people on both sides did what they had to do to get the desired result. SF and the IRA from 1916- 1921 roughly, couldn't have had better conditions to break from England and they did a masterful job of gaining support and making Brit gov rule nearly impossible. IMO

[@aidankearney493]

Not your finest moment Fintan, as for Pat.. Wash the flag.. 🤔

[@ryanrusch3976]

Love when people throw Americans under the bus, God Bless the Wolfe Tones for just going out there and saying what they believe.

[@Gareth-dq3lg]

Do you most of dubs during 1916 hated what they did

[@marcellautr]

From a.celtic.fan...ooh ah up the ra !! Will.always.be heard in Glasgow.UTR

[@darraghocoiligh]

come on the tones!

[@STEVO-hn5su]

The seas will be silent........

[@Conall2007]

@yam500 like he has a clue what happened up here, nothing but a 21st century blueshirt

[@basaltrock8603]

We are a funny old country. The reason the Brits took us over 700 years ago was because we were to busy fighting amongst ourselves to unite and repel. Missing 6 counties as a result of in-fighting (civil war) 100 years ago. It's still happening today, West Brit (Dublin 4), media and politicians versus the rest of the country. FFS. Will we ever learn? It's our own fault

[@longmemory1620]

Detective Chris Lecce 5:55

[@thenotchosen]

Your talking to the irish brits lads

[@OldSkoolGunner]

Kenny as always favouring the brits.

[@michaeldineen8324]

the Wolfe tones are mighty men. they have left a great legacy for rebel songs. those songs need to be sung' because they are about Irish history. singing a song can't strike up violence. I wonder will it be the end of those songs when the tones retire.? it is sad that they are banned from radio. it seems that the Irish are dumb about their native songs.

[@ianmacphee1722]

missed typed.its a song about a young lad walking back from celtic park.he had his throet slashed by a loyalist .his father is a lawyer they started a massive movement in glasgow it was anti_segtarian anti racist it was called nil by mouth.this was inspired by the wolf tones song.

[@shaunmcclenaghan]

Pat Kenny the west brit

[@staffy4389]

Pat Kenny is a terrible interviewer , a true WEST BRIT..

[@EoinBouzouki1975]

Someone should tell Warfield that the word CELTIC is pronounced Keltic not Seltic!

[@brunsonpowner8925]

Debate or debut?

[@MagnumSkyWolf]

All I'll say is we are the only country that doesnt celebrate our independance and that's fucking wrong.

[@dannyboy5517]

RTE Brit boys

[@paul1x1]

well it would seem one gentleman is upset that the band was playing many songs that were pro IRA is that not the argument

[@jonoessex]

I think you mean 1918. The british did not back carson the germans did. In any case I'm talking about the PIRA. When people protested for civil rights their demands were introduced. All their demands were introduced by 1975. Democracy did exist in NI, there was universal sufferage in the province from 1969 onwards.

[@stilllaughing3959]

Up the rebels Up the republic to come

[@franceskellu3503]

Up the rebels ,

[@margaretmurphy1546]

UP GOOGLE AND FACEBOOK for education and jobs,.

[@highvolumepls]

He won't even look at the group while speaking to them

[@shortti789]

its a shame that people can not comment with out giving out about the british im irish and was born aboard but grow up in uk the need to slate the british should be forgotten and left now as things have been the best there is for a very long time. times are changing in the north now and the furture should be looked forward to and you all should remember that be if they are born in the north they are still Irish and that many a north man is in Afgan dying to protect this great ireland !!!!!!

[@longmemory1620]

will they write a song about Jerry McCabe? will they write a song about Jean McConville?

[@desktopevil]

Nothing to do with these men. They sing about the old IRA not the groups that emerged years on down the line.

[@longmemory1620]

desktopevil they sing about this one and that one but funny enough they never sing about the victims of the IRA

[@Zombehnation1001]

would you expect any orangeman band to mourn any dead Catholic? Oh wait they cant, they'd get kicked out of the order for attending Catholic services.

[@thewolfetones]

BRAD PITT chronic bullshit merchant

[@longmemory1620]

@@desktopevil the hunger strikers were old IRA yeah ?

[@KantianParadox]

Fintan let himslef down here. Pity.

[@jonoessex]

@EnglishChannel1 Well said

[@gillcelt]

Fintan O' Tool appropriately named, he is most likely the loudest hands clapping at the present demise of Irish society. The likes of his disturbing rants have paved the way for the now laws being passed where indigenous peoples are not allowed to air their views.

[@bettycastro835]

The presenter is like BBC1 CHANNEL 4 ENGLAND

[@djc1234]

Wow -- so it's happening in Ireland, too: made to feel uneasy, bigoted, racist etc just because you fly the flag of your own country. By the way -- I'm English.

[@entropylackthereforeofmmm6119]

Fair play to Finton he spoke like the true brit that he is

[@longmemory1620]

notice their silence 9:46

[@MarkRobertCuthbert]

- you wouldn't know!

[@shortti789]

@Frankieireland No Offence mate but what makes you think that !!!! they are Irish men and irish women serving and getting killed in afgan and irish army men and women there too with the UN so need to check your facts bud !!! im irish and i served out there

[@johnnypatrickhaus890]

9.35 O'Toole loses the audience 😅.

[@louisehouston9577]

going to watch there 50th annaversary toomorow, oh ah up the ra , oh ah up the ra, Always good to be a roman catholic

[@revol148]

+Louise Houston "good to be a Roman Catholic" - isn't it slightly sad that you believe in these medieval fairytales shoved down your throat by your parents, the church and school? - are you the kind of impressionable person who still believes in father Christmas and the tooth fairy? You may as well as fairies leaving money under your pillow which is just as plausible as the virgin birth, turning water into wine and feeding of the five thousand!

[@revol148]

+Micheal Carney religion is a poison as any newspaper reminds us on a daily basis.I once thought that I should respect simple minded people (like you) and their daft beliefs but nowadays I reckon such nonsense needs to be challenged and the people concerned humiliated.

[@revol148]

+Micheal Carney Come on! those orphanages are a front to spread the word of whatever faith is bankrolling it - same with Saudi Arabia pouring billions into madrases across the world and pushing their filthy Wahabist agenda down the throats of many moderate muslims - there is nothing benevolent about any of it.From the Crusaders to Isis via the Catholic church - it's all about big business. Look at all the gold dripping from the average Bhuddist temple Pagoada or any Spanish Cathedral - no thought that all that opulance could ever be give to the poor and destitute!

[@revol148]

+Micheal Carney the clue is in the name Islamic state - still like I say certain people (liberals) keep deflecting from the obvious fact that there is a religious war going on: you make mention of the Brits and how evil we are (yawn) and blame also appears to be laid at the feet of the western governments - still you didn't mention Israel - progress eh? Failing regimes? tell that to the relatives of those butchered in Burkina Faso yesterday and see what the reaction is.Butchered sunbathers on the beach of Tunisia last summer? Butchered people in the hotel in Mali before Christmas.....still westerners need to pay eh - well your wish has come true!

[@revol148]

+Micheal Carney British people have every right to complain about other peoples sins - the Jutes, French, Danes, Vikings, Angles, Saxons, Dutch, Spanish, Normans and Romans all made their mark on these isles many of those colonised, burned and raped the land whilst they were at it.Still you're Irish and as we all know you good, good people have along with the Jews have a shared monopoly on self-pity. I'm actually half welsh - a nation that has "suffered" Anglo-Saxon domination even more than you have - so please go easy with me or else I'll start demanding an apology for the atrocities Irish pirates caused in the 12th and 13th centuries - including burning the town of New Quay on the west coast on a few occasions!

[@johnreddington3646]

I am ira the lads are good 👍

[@justthetruth1]

Kenny a 🛎🔚

[@shanef8728]

the plank = west brit!

[@Marlondurran]

They all cashed in on the troubles!!!

[@larryoconnor7094]

You could have been a contender.

[@Marlondurran]

@@larryoconnor7094 Sorry buddy ... I wouldn't cash in on other people's misfortunes

[@Str8patriot]

...hundreds of years of diplomacy and outspoken behavior fail to achieve the desired result, violence is unfortunately the only place SF and the IRA, De Valera, Collins and others had to go. They felt it was time to violently resist and they did so, successfully. Violence solves problems sometimes as much as people would like to think it doesn't. The U.S. was lucky in that it was so far away and expensive for Britain to rule or we might still be part of the Empire ourselves. It's pretty..