The World Over July 13, 2023 | NEW CARDINALS & SYNOD DELEGATES: The Papal Posse with Raymond Arroyo

[@jeaninecurran875]

What a brave Priest you have on your World Over ! Speaking Truth without any fear ! I highly respect him !

[@derecksaldanha2090]

Absolutely!

[@stanleyhebda1976]

Stop dehumanizing Jesus and His Mother! It defeats the purpose! He came to testify to the truth!

[@stanleyhebda1976]

Jesus was 100% human and 100% God.Catholc Church makes a lousy lier

[@suem6004]

@@stanleyhebda1976Lier? Says the illiterate.

[@dalezegarelli5553]

Catholicism is a CULT. Praying to mother Mary is an abomination. Praying to saints is a slap in the face to God!!!! Catholics are the dumbest people on earth!!! Defying the word of God; on a daily basis!!!!

[@jeaninecurran875]

Hold on to your Faith everyone , frequent the Sacraments often , pray the Rosary daily , wear the Brown Scapular and other sacramentals . Guard your Children and your families and pray for them daily . I Love this talk so much and I appreciate you all for your wise words.

[@dalezegarelli5553]

Why would I pray to mother Mary. When I can pray to the god who created HER and the entire universe!!!! You are an idiot!!!!!! You are an idiot!!!!!! You are an idiot!!!!!! CATHOLICISM IS A CULT!!!! you are a disgrace!!!!!

[@soniafell8267]

I have arthritis and in a lot of pain. I offered my pain up for my church ⛪️ to turn back to the old Roman Catholic Church. Our lord is the same today as he was over 2000 years ago 🙏 he as not changed we have

[@brittalbach416]

sonia fell i do the same, broke my knee, offer it up for all clerics who are too proud to bend the knee to God and his commandments

[@hazchemel]

Yes and sprinting hard, fleeing His Presence.

[@janesherry5276]

Thank you and God Bless You Papal Possee for this OUTSTANDING program! Raymond, you are doing Mother Angelica’s work🙏😇Fr Murray, you are a Saint 😇🙏on earth and a TRUE Shepherd who cares about our Souls! God will reward you abundantly for your faithfulness to the Gospels!

[@xiomarablanco5598]

Raymond, Mother Angelic must be very happy you’re indeed continuing her work faithfully at EWTN. 👍🙏

[@Theosis_and_prayer]

Very dark times in the Church right now. We must pray and fast for the conversion of all sodomites and lgbt sinners.

[@MB-zn9vg]

Amen

[@josephvanharen3518]

Joseph v Haren Thank you Raynond Arroyo and The Papal Posse for this very excellent program .I don't think Synod on Synodality has anything to do with saving souls . We have to pray the rosary . St Joseph terror of demons pray for us

[@jeaninecurran875]

Praise God you’re bringing Truth like Mother Angelica wants .

[@dalezegarelli5553]

Catholicism is a CULT!!!! Plain and simple!!!

[@judyedwards9774]

God Bless you Raymond for what you do.. Love yoir show the best.. Love the Paple Possie.

[@jeaninecurran875]

Robert Royal is a wise and smart Man too .

[@bjthinkingclearlygal4968]

Love the Papal Possee!!!! Helps is folks in the pew know and understand the antics of this papacy. Pray and fast for our Catholic Church.

[@annie7264]

It’s not a Synod but a SINod! We need a Catholic Pope!

[@zm7094]

I love this show. These guys are great

[@dalezegarelli5553]

Catholicism is a CULT!!! Defying the word of God on a regular basis!!!!

[@jeaninecurran875]

Cardinal Muller I do respect.

[@rubicon2288]

Thanks to you Raymond and fr Murray ...And Robert royal!. We. Love you all and are so thankful for you

[@peterdouglasmurphy9083]

A "Magisterium" that contradicts THE Magisterium is not . . . a Magisterium!

[@debbieramsey8933]

Very. Well. Put.

[@richardtuala7405]

It's called "magisterium abuse"

[@ochem123]

💯

[@gg-33]

Raymond , when I want to find out the truth going on in the Vatican and Church I turn to your show with Father Murray even Robert Royal has been very good . Raymond you are the closest to Mother Angelica views on EWTN by far

[@angelavitulli6994]

I wholeheartedly agree with Fr. Murray the truth of the Catechism is the truth it can't be changed.

[@WT-Sherman]

The Sinoders can vote anyway they want. The Truth of Christ remains unchangeable. Besides, since when is the Church a democracy ?

[@dianastevenson131]

The Synod isn't democratic anyway since Francis has chosen the majority of delegates himself. They're probably all clones of him.

[@robzee-4895]

Protests should be organized wherever the Synod on Synodality meetings are taking place to voice opposition to any suggestions that are put forward to change any part of the traditional Catholic deposit of faith.

[@MB-zn9vg]

Yes. Acts of reparation in Rome. Massive crowds should do it for months straight.

[@marilynk2609]

The possie is always enlightening!

[@majorfrank1167]

Listening to what's going on can't help but imagine what's going on, SICK!

[@michaelliverani9440]

Marana tha. Come Lord Jesus. Thy Kingdom come. Thy Will be done on earth as it is in Heaven.

[@michaelliverani9440]

This is the building of the ape of the Church, as was pronounced by Archbishop Fulton Sheen. The builders don't recognize tradition because this is a building of a new church, stripped of its tradition and sacraments. Rome h Will lose the faith. - Our Lady of La Salette

[@peterarnone5465]

This was an extraordinarily important edition of "The Papal Posse." Every Catholic who takes their faith seriously needs to see it. The Church is at a crossroads. Of biblical proportion, its survival hangs in the balance. As Father Murray stated, the Church's business is about the salvation of souls. It is clear that Pope Francis has lost this vision and is derelict in his duty.

[@dalezegarelli5553]

Catholicism is a CULT!!!; CATHOLICISM defies the word of God; on a daily basis!!! Catholics are the dumbest, self righteous people on earth!!!!

[@SonyaRodriguez-e7c]

Thank you Raymond for telling us how it is. We depend on you for the real story. Thank you Mother Angelica

[@AmelLia-po6vz]

Good morning i, m chatolic from Denpasar bali indonesia God bless for EWTN 😊

[@priscillaashton4304]

I have the utmost respect for the office of the Pope and the magisterium, however my respect is diminishing for the person Pope Francis

[@ochem123]

*Antipope Bergoglio* slanders the good name of the papacy.

[@lindagaspers2529]

GOD BLESS All 3 of you, who aren't afraid to speak the TRUTH!!! Father Gerald, when will your brother Priests, Bishops, and Cardinals DROP FEAR and put on The Faith of JESUS CHRIST???🙏🙏🙏

[@judyedwards9774]

Raymond St.Pope John Paul ll would never had allowed this to go this far.. He would have excommunicated them... This is ridiculous for Pope Francis to let it go this far... He could have stopped it. The Bishops more or less told him to go bound sand with the letter he wrote but he did nothing after... God help us all...

[@ochem123]

Antipope Bergoglio is pushing all of this liberalism. It’s not pushing him.

[@josefinaponciano-albis4706]

God bless you all. I live to listen to your discussions and share it to others.

[@CathySwetitch]

I came back to the Catholic church because of the tradition, please don't destroy it.

[@joanhooper95]

We cannot change truth follow Jesus and his laws commandments .❤

[@ChasingErron]

I am not a Catholic, but I firmly believe the Lord is currently pruning His Church. Stand firm in the Faith, the gates of hell will not prevail over us. The Papacy has been corrupted before, and the faithful have remained. Take heart.

[@sharonfelton20]

Packing the conclave? Armor up with your rosaries!📿🙏

[@marilynk2609]

Love the possie!

[@Tracy77751]

Why do they really need so many cardinals? Shouldn’t they be down sizing and cutting costs??? ❤

[@philominaeapen9240]

I would recommend the Papal Posse , Father Gerald Murray , Robert Royal and Raymond Arroyo to be the Representative of American Catholic Church for the Synod (wishful thinking)

[@MrDa47ve]

How has Father Jerry escaped an Apotolic Visitation? Keep it going Father Jerry!

[@truemeridian1942]

We need to pray and do penance for the Catholic Church. Church is an institution that should dictate the norms of behavior to the world, NOT the other way around.

[@edwardbaker1331]

In the "mercyland" of Francis the victims of sin don't matter. The only thing that matters is that everyone should avoid God's saving gift of guilt, which can be a burden but ultimately frees us. But to Francis, what is intrinsically evil must be redefined as not being evil so we can all delude ourselves we are sinless to obtain his false idea of mercy. Francis does not respect those with sufficient decency to recognize their transgressions against the divinely endowned natural law that exists to protect us from our evil selves. Francis views moral doctrines as murseum pieces for the mentally ill and has contempt for those with respect for objective moral truth. He is truly an anti-pope.

[@ochem123]

💯

[@tomasvictor2124]

With what we know of Pope Francis, we can be pretty sure that if they were fit to be created cardinals, Pope Francis would not have created them.

[@ochem123]

*Antipope Bergoglio*

[@gabrielidikaokorie8465]

Fr. Martin is not of the Catholic mould. He is on his own. I stand with Fr. Murray.

[@day1678]

Love the blessed Mother! Never, ever let go of her guiding hand that will lead us to Jesus. Pray the rosary daily for her intentions. Love her by living in the Divine Will of her Son, Jesus.

[@susumaung5204]

Shalom my favorite family ❤🎉🎉🎉

[@sofianakharkongor2077]

As a catholic I pray that holy spirit will inspire each one of bishops, cardinals, priests etc to preach the truth according to the teaching of Jesus Christ.

[@edwardprisby7603]

The Papal Posse is the best! 😇 I pray our Lord protect His Bride the Church from all the wolves in sheep’s clothing pushing their Satanic spirit of the age agenda. 🙏

[@michaeljosephhurley2681]

Nigeria 🇳🇬 90% Catholics Attendance Weekly Sunday Mass Obligations!

[@johnobeid67]

I’m totally over this pontificate.

[@helenamoreira2066]

Parece que finalmente os catolicos estao a perceber que a Igreja nao esta em boas maos. Esta na hora de tomar medidas e agir em nome de Deus e da nossa F'e que ja ha muito esta a ser tao maltratada e estamos a consentir que cada vez aumente o vazio nas nossas Igrejas. Nao 'e apenas hora de rezar 'e hora de pensar e hora de agir. Jesus abominou os mornos , haja a coragem de dizer sem medo; Este homem a quem chamamos papa esta a destruir a 😢Igreja

[@brittalbach416]

when the highest faithbearer and bearers in the Church fall, then it brings most bitter misery on the world and persecution to all Christians

[@thomasmccafferty8203]

I don’t understand Pope Frances involving lay people in the so called synod, they do not speak for me or many other millions of catholics.

[@thomasmc7752]

Votes mean nothing, the results are a forgone conclusion.

[@mountainman3463]

Francis is building his own church just like the Church of England. He is a Protestant. Either he converts or leaves and takes his flock with him. The Catholic Church will be triumphant in the end. Jesus has already promised us the gates of Hell will not prevail over the Church. Pray for Pope Francis and the conversion of the enemies of the Church.

[@CatholicMailman]

As Venerable Archbishop Fulton Sheen referred to it as the “ape of the church”.

[@gib7937]

Yes! Papal posse in tha house!!!

[@CarlosRodriguez-jp2ql]

It is obvious: Satan trying to take down Christ's Church from within. We all know how this will end, from Matthew 16 18. Let's pray for the Pope.

[@bobspinelli2847]

Gavin Ashenden had this comment on the synod on synodality: has anyone looked at what happened to the protestant denominations that embrace modernism and the secular spirit of the age? Not good.

[@Corolla97ww]

Gavin has some great insights.

[@oliveri9407]

Boooo, we need more based conservative bishops and cardinals. Liberalism is the death of the faith, tradition, the family, culture, and civilization.

[@ochem123]

There is no such thing as a liberal Catholic; that’s just called Protestantism. A true Catholic is often called Uber-conservative, but it’s simply the will to conserve the truth in the face of would-be liars; liars abound in our world, so we gather a lot of enemies of their own choosing. We pray for their conversions to Christ, but they are obstinate in sin and refuse our prayers. God bless you ♥️

[@anamariamonttemayorderamir4198]

Dont understand. Do these Bishops and priests not believe in Christ and His teschings?? It almost seems they are not Catholic at all! I agree with Cardenal Muller, this seems like a hostile take over! What are we to do? I think we have to fight for the Church… but how??

[@mojophe1617]

That's my conclusion also.

[@thomasmc7752]

If it comes to it, our financial support will have to be redirected. If this leadership steps outside Christ's teaching, they forfeit their position, and the remnant of those loyal to Christ will have to elect a legitimate leader. Those with a similar conscience will be obliged to support them.

[@ochem123]

They are clearly non-Catholics masquerading as Catholics in the Vatican. The leadership in Vatican has lost the true faith! They are Protestants. The true Church will never fall, but it’s safe to say that it is weak at this point and can only be saved by God’s grace; and He will provide. This Great Apostasy was predicted in the Bible, so be not afraid. Fear only the Lord. Mortify your flesh. This world is fleeting. We are created eternal beings by God and we will never cease to exist. We will spend eternity in either heaven or hell. The gate to our eternal futures lies on the other side of the one-way gate of death. There is no reincarnation. There is only eternal bliss or eternal misery. What will you choose? Pray the Rosary daily. Pray to Our Lady of Sorrows. Get rid of any of your demons. Use sacramentals. Wear the brown scapular. Wear the Miraculous Medal. Prepare for the three days of darkness. Get a blessed 100% beeswax candle; It’s the only light you will have during the three days of darkness. God bless you ♥️

[@davidmascarenas9830]

An interesting fact about the current "Pope," Jorge Bergoglio, is that his name sums to the mark of the beast in the numerical encoding used for computer/networking applications. Here is a little more explanation - ASCII/UTF-8 is the numerical representation used for letters and numbers in computers and network communications. From wikipedia, "ASCII was the most common character encoding on the World Wide Web until December 2007, when UTF-8 encoding surpassed it; UTF-8 is backward compatible with ASCII." ASCII/UTF-8 is most likely the most common encoding of letters to number that mankind has ever used. "BERGOGLIO" corresponds to the following numbers and sum: B 66 E 69 R 82 G 71 O 79 G 71 L 76 I 73 O 79 =========== SUM 666 You can check it in an ASCII/UTF-8 table if you like. Code that demonstrates this can be found below sum(char('BERGOGLIO')) octave-online.net/#cmd=sum(int8('BERGOGLIO'))

[@Watermaid55]

I became a Catholic based on the fact that the Roman Catholic Church was truly represented Christ and his precepts. If Pope Francis makes these doctrinal changes then we are no different than the 40 thousand other denominations, I wish that the Pope would stop watering down Christianity. I am praying for papal change, in any form it comes.

[@mikeryan3701]

The following appeared in The Spectator magazine. It is about the Church of England but it is noticeable that the same strategy seems to be being used in the Catholic Church. The Synod organisers say that the Synod on Synodality has nothing to do with doctrine. But they are pushing for things like same-sex blessings on the grounds of 'pastoral care'. Notice, also, that bit about 'listening and walking together'. Sound familiar? "In February, Synod approved blessings for gay couples, and the bishops suggested that the texts would be published in the summer, along with ‘pastoral guidance’ on homosexuality - which liberals hope will lift the ban on actively gay clergy. Now November is the due date for both. The evangelicals are crying foul, with some reason. In effect the blessings open the door to an approval of gay marriage, and the pastoral guidance is likely to mark a major shift on sexuality. And yet the matter was not voted on as a matter of doctrine - which would have required two-thirds majorities in all three houses of Synod, rather than simple majorities. The bishops seem to be trying to introduce major change on the sly, amid a barrage of warm words about listening and walking together, most of them dispensed by the former chief nurse, Sarah Mulally, bishop of London."

[@CJChesspnp]

Chief nurse?

[@dianastevenson131]

​@@CJChesspnpSarah Mulally is the Bishop of London I believe. She's a strong contender to be the next Archbishop of Canterbury. The writer is being sarcastic calling her the "chief nurse" of the new Church of England.

[@CJChesspnp]

@@dianastevenson131 thx for the explanation.

[@euengelion]

Do the cardinals and the pope himself need to be recatechised? Last I check that the catechism that's based on the bible states that homosexuality is a no-no.

[@ochem123]

The people masquerading as Catholics in the Vatican need to become subject to a new inquisition. Could they even accurately state the Catholic Faith? I would guess that fee of them could. Many would openly deny a dogma of the faith.

[@MB-zn9vg]

They need to quit

[@suegacheri7403]

It will be a synodal church for bishops,cardinals and the present pope.Christ will have a remnant church with His elect.

[@ground752]

Thanks

[@withgoodtaste]

Very very very interesting. First time I know of this show.

[@MrDa47ve]

I wish I could be a fly on the wall whenever Bergolio meets his Maker!

[@RPlavo]

The parallel magisterium at work!

[@richardtuala7405]

Why would the magisterium change apostolic dogmas? Are they not the truth???

[@michaelladjevic2172]

What this "pope" does, means nothing to me! The heresy coming from this pontificate and the cardinals/bishops he's appointed tells the story. God will step in and stop this at some point. Repent and pray for God's Mercy!

[@ochem123]

Antipope Bergoglio serves the prince of this world (the devil) regather than God Almighty. May God have mercy on his soul. He will have much to answer for at his judgement by Jesus.

[@lindaflores1815]

This is one of the reasons people stop giving when the baskets come around. I for one give 10% St. JUDE, MEALS ON Wheels etc. ..I don't give to the church unless it's a specific envelope.

[@LourdesVolunteer]

I give to charitable organizations that I trust.

[@MB-zn9vg]

The have other donors… I will let you figure out who they are

[@plantsnrockies]

True why are they living in palaces..how did Jesus live? Don't pay a pie let them live as hobbits it will then turn their mind to God..too much luxury is making their minds dull

[@LourdesVolunteer]

@plantsnrockies at one parish I was a member at,the priest drove a brand new BMW. It was a fairly poor parish and he even said in the homily that even those who are visiting the parish and not necessarily registered there are requiring to give to the collection basket. Both his car and the rectory were much nicer than 95% of what the parishioners in the parish could afford for themselves. I was so disgusted! That was the last time I went there. How can anyone take these clergy seriously who act and live like this? They have zero credibility!

[@plantsnrockies]

@@LourdesVolunteer really sad

[@hollyvondross9635]

I think the synod with the lay involved is a Protestant influence. I am tired of constant changes which just lead to confusion.

[@garrettross7920]

Stacking the deck

[@1951kvk]

Ah yes, the next step to creating his own (Bergoglio) religion. He sure isn't teaching or promoting Catholic Church teachings!

[@ochem123]

💯

[@JamesTRyder]

Thank you for a very interesting conversation! When is the Senate of BIshops?

[@pmay0922]

I hope we will have some courageous bishops who would speak out against heresy in this joke of a synod.

[@joseangelalvarez74]

What a joke this Sin-nod…

[@momof3sok121]

Yes father Murray never mind promoting their agenda. Promote the gospel!!

[@papadan3]

I sure do have a question… we proclaim as Catholics the Eucharist is the sustenance of our existence as male and female God has made us.. now after each Mass of the Eucharist where all people come to worship and present themselves in humility with a contrite heart and soul to move away from sin and embrace the Truth as revealed to us; then why is it special interest groups like sane sex partnerships demand a separate and special blessing from the priest outside the Eucharist in Mass and the sacrament of Marriage? Who exactly are the periphery if not all of us who deep down in our soul seek the absolute Truth given to those who believe? I believe this asking for this blessing of same sex partnerships is another manipulated method of proclaiming love which clearly can defined as some emotional connection not necessarily fixed and expansive in our nature as male and female and our true identity in the ever expanding Cosmos of God. Why the special treatment for some special interest group who declares themselves special and unique and therefore need a special form of blessing.. does God pick favourites?? How can natural law no longer be objective in Truth and form as revealed by God..?? Same sex partnership blessing make no sense and are not anywhere in the Truth and reason of Faith..

[@antezulj4453]

Waiting for laity in the conclave

[@MacheteMambi]

We must RETURN to our Traditional Liturgy and Teachings. No other way out. Latin Mass NOW!!

[@missstarrynight7736]

St. Paul's opinion on current affairs in the Church: Galatians 1:8 "But though we, or an angel from heaven, should preach unto you any gospel other than that which we preached unto you, let him be accursed." 1 Corinthians 16:22: "If anyone does not love the Lord, a curse be on him. Our Lord, come!"

[@derecksaldanha2090]

Yes, WYD is not a youth Woodstock 😢

[@lyndam5919]

One more campaign, one more promise of a new church! A return to communion rails, the holy Mass of the Latin rite, going BACK to communion on the tongue. We lack foundation, and tradition. Just look at modern churches and art-awful! When will EWTN humble themselves and lift the fog to see this and help lead a movement! The Holy Father's in the past predicted this and OL of Fatima, LaSalette, Good Success and many others!

[@AnnErwin-u6g]

Amen!!!

[@thomasjorge4734]

People we can trust? People who PF can trust.

[@triciagarea9576]

God help, Pope Francis.

[@ochem123]

God have mercy on the soul of Antipope Bergoglio.

[@maureenvandusen2004]

"...The hour of its great trial has above all come for the Church, because it will be shaken by the lack of faith, obscured by apostasy, wounded by betrayal, abandoned by its children, divided by schisms, possessed and dominated by Freemasonry, turned into fertile soil from which will spring up the wicked tree of the man of iniquity, the Antichrist, who will bring his kingdom into its interior..." Our Blessed Mother to Father Stefano Gobbi January 1, 1993

[@thomasjorge4734]

The Recent Magisterium? There is only the 2,000 years of Catholic Church Magisterium.

[@mariamorales-jw6mt]

Amen pater

[@janetadkins5004]

Fr. Jerry for pope!

[@bsontrop]

Well said, Fr.Murray !! How come we do not get such detailed unpacking of the truth -legal, canonical, and its complete distortion by Modernists -anywhere else ( that I know of ) ?? Can good, and professional Laymen turf out these interlopers ?? "Francis" can NEVER be believed from here on out, NEVER, unless he verbally confesses [ which I can't as possible, or even probable given the deep rootedness of Liberation -Marxist -Theology] and does public penance.

[@josefinborg3069]

quite a number of clowns and clowning appointments. Pray to our Lord to deliver us from evil. Pray to Our Lady to protect us. Pray to St. michael the Archangel to defend us.Pray to the Angels and Saints to offer prayers for us and our Beloved Roman Catholic Apostolic Church.

[@1900trent]

The Head of the Chinese admin in Hong Kong, Mr Lee, is also a Catholic as was the former leader, a woman.

[@rodrigoxaviercarreras3462]

If homosexuals receive blessings in their unions, will adulterous unions between man and women be blessed?

[@AnnErwin-u6g]

Jesus himself wondered if, when He returned, if He would find any Faith...

[@jmccallion2394]

La Salette is proving itself TRUE, with these moral reprobates from Nicaragua and Minnesota!!!!

[@luisbergantino1207]

The truth is that none of us can do anything about what Pope Francis is doing, nor about anything that the Cardinals elected by him are going to do with the Church. The only thing that we can do is to learn as best as we can our faith, to pass it down to our children, to live it as well as we can and to pray the Rosary so that "at the end, the Immaculate Heart will win."

[@CH-Wisdom]

We do not need nor want 'the flavour of Francis'. We want the perfume of our God whose Word doesn't change.

[@briandelaney9710]

Arroyo looks like he may have a stroke he’s so upset 😂. “Lay people !!!!”

[@seanfocon]

Are we afraid of the Holy Spirit ? Many, many of us look forward to the coming Synod and a freshness in the way we read the evangelists and attempt to be Christlike, an ever ending journey from our Baptisms. "..forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespasses against us". Surely the Holy Spirit is daring us to further develop the sacramental church? Is exclusion Christ's way?

[@PaulKleemeier]

I am shocked that Kamala Harris wasn't invited to the Synod on Synodality to explain it to Americans. She would fit right in and if she is out as VP for the next term Francis can easily find a spot for her at the Vatican. We would come away with tears and laughter and the synodality of synodalities would be compared to the story of the Tower of Babel.

[@sleepinglioness5754]

What exactly will they be voting on? What issues? If lay people are going to be voting, then I want a vote too.

[@mapnic]

Bishops, Cardinals and Laity at the Synod are called to re-consider subjects in light of the Words of Christ; in light of the Gospels. Any other consideration will continue to confuse people even more.

[@sharonrogowski2120]

Oh Brother!….✝️🤦‍♀️

[@TheLeonhamm]

Wishing and hoping? No - 'Go! Make a Mess' or 'Do what I want shall be the whole of the law' or 'When I use a word, it means just what I choose it to mean - neither more nor less': after all, here, there are two meanings packed up into one word. We cannot pretend that we do not already know what the spirit of '68 demands of us all .. for that spirit is never done preaching it at us, so if we are to follow its lead .. and we are, or we shall be taken as the rebels - risen against the 1789 rebellion within the Church, c. 1962, then we need to know what life is like today, through the looking glass. In short .. The question is, which is to be master - that's all. 'Twas brillig, and the slithy toves Did gyre and gimble in the wabe: All mimsy were the borogoves, And the mome raths outgrabe.' Keep the Faith; tell the truth, shame the devil, and let the demons shriek. God bless. ;o)