Skips entire level* "I'm gonna star that too, I loved that" XD
@netweed095 жыл бұрын
But it's obviously the 'Cheese' or the nice alternate route so I dunno why your comment is even a thing. Not hatin, just facts
@UnorthodoxSoundwave.5 жыл бұрын
netweed09 Cheese isn't really an 'alternate' route, because that implies it was intentional. It's better described as the 'wrong' route. Not hatin, just facts.
@netweed095 жыл бұрын
@@UnorthodoxSoundwave. Yes I largely agree. On occasion, I'm sure a few level designers didn't see the path but that's only a very few. Yolo jumping oversights and tricks with hidden Power-ups are the most intentional. Unless level designing really is that intense that you really lose focus on these sort of things!
@UnorthodoxSoundwave.5 жыл бұрын
netweed09 And I can agree that level designers will hide a secondary path to the end for themselves, but cheese tends to be using items that are clearly given (not secret) to cheat the level, such as bringing a spring or shell through the level to make a jump easier, or using a propeller shroom to fly over the whole level.
@TimeturnerJ7 жыл бұрын
Everybody, this is a momentous occasion. We have finally found it: the level that can make Ryu lose his patience.
@wlfgngpck31027 жыл бұрын
Timeturner No, I found a level well over a year ago that made poor Ryu lose his patience....it was mine. :-P
@wlfgngpck31027 жыл бұрын
Cid40 Just ask him.
@mrtdms7 жыл бұрын
Timeturner p
@chanceneck80727 жыл бұрын
All of you please post links and timestamps for us who have just little time to spare on this!
@cleverstudios45657 жыл бұрын
Timeturner ii
@ArmorOfGod77 жыл бұрын
I really thought you were going to download that Lakitu/Spiney level to see if there was a dev star!
@kennethgee20046 жыл бұрын
At least someone figured out that it was giant Lakitu throwing the giant spiney. The strategy is to control how the lakitu move and time when they throw. Problem is they are off screen and there are at least two probably three of them.
@Jipbob6 жыл бұрын
@@kennethgee2004 probably three? more like 6+
@zacharypodair26566 жыл бұрын
Yeah I’m guessing 10 to 15
@loveghst5 жыл бұрын
40+ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! jk
@TheCucung5 жыл бұрын
ArmorOfGod h7
@Ledhead7756 жыл бұрын
28:24 "Jumping on the same block twice seems like a sound strat." *Immediately starts only jumping on each block once.
@Sam-sn8oy5 жыл бұрын
I swear, sometimes your cheese tactic are harder than doing the actual level!
@pozxyyy5 жыл бұрын
"JUMPING ON THE SAME BLOCK TWICE SEEMS LIKE A GOOD STRAT" jumps on every block once after he says that 28:23
@KainYusanagi7 жыл бұрын
Ryu, the "worst level ever made" looks like it's a series of offscreen lakitu throwing them. This is why it doesn't stay consistant; they accelerate past you and throw from a different angle, then slow down until you pass them, then repeat. It looks like you need to go forward then back with the wave, dodging the waves of spinies.
@ivan_pozdeev_u6 жыл бұрын
I was going to suggest to open the level in editor and see, but you seem to have figured it out.
@oreace.m74987 жыл бұрын
28:24 "Jumping on the same block twice seems like a sound strat." never jumps on the same block twice again
@bananamath7 жыл бұрын
right as i read your comment he said that in the video lol
@MitchellBowser7 жыл бұрын
Oreace .M haha I was thinking the same thing
@anemoia80107 жыл бұрын
I am completely in love with your channel, and don't even play Mario Maker myself. You're awesome.
@tev50405 жыл бұрын
Ozma Do you remember making this comment?
@loonie21135 жыл бұрын
@@tev5040 whyd you ask that? I sometimes think about if id come across one of my old comments, but ya why
@tev50405 жыл бұрын
Loonie I just like saying that to old comments because they may not realize they get likes.
@loonie21135 жыл бұрын
@@tev5040 remember commenting this?
@tev50405 жыл бұрын
Loonie yes
@grizzofthenorth4 жыл бұрын
2020 anyone? Lol I miss when Ryu used to swear like crazy in his videos 😂😂
@billyline35582 жыл бұрын
Exept when he takes The Lord's name in vain...
@snoopdoggthecertifiedg6777 Жыл бұрын
This video is 100% demonetized, or it would be now It used to be different, he’s doing it because this is his job and the KZbin rules are sad
@cygnusactual1618 Жыл бұрын
@@billyline3558not everyone shares your views on religion. You cant and shouldn’t expect them to adhere to your tenants.
@billyline3558 Жыл бұрын
@@cygnusactual1618 Exhibit A of the root problem of all humanity: Christianity is a religion. Who is your higher up; in whom do you put your trust? Humanity? The government? Fallible things in this temporary life? What do you think will happen AFTER this life? Okay, let's say for a moment Christianity is just a religion. Why is it that only the Christan God gets His name made into curse words? Why not take allah's name in vain, or buddha, or literally any other "god?" Could it be that the real cause of this blasphemy is anger towards the Lord?
@cygnusactual1618 Жыл бұрын
@@billyline3558 I think organized religion is the worst invention humans have ever thought up. I do not believe in any higher power. I believe it is just us and what we decide to do with our lives and how we decide to live them. As to saying the lords name in vain, I don’t care at all. Not one bit. It’s a fictional character in my mind so why not. I would say the same for allah, Yahweh, Cthulhu, or a flying spaghettini monster. They’re all the same to me. The government is even worse so let’s not even bring them into this. I am a good person because I want to be a good person. Me saying god dammit or fuck allah means nothing to me just like it means nothing to vast scores of people across the globe. Not everyone shares your view so not everyone has to follow your rules. I didn’t mean to offend and I do hope you’re well. All I wanted was to show you people have opposing views on this subject. Have a good day.
@benbdaman82657 жыл бұрын
Ah, Super Expert. Where every level can be called the worst level ever made.
@blackpants73857 жыл бұрын
BenBdaMan Once in a while you come across an actually good level.
@idk011236 жыл бұрын
Is**
@mikebarnes74415 жыл бұрын
That's definitely not true. There are plenty of quality levels.
@pol13155 жыл бұрын
Mike Barnes no there aren’t
@sarahrose83587 жыл бұрын
Gotta love levels that rely on RNG.
@netweed095 жыл бұрын
Where's the randomness in that if you 'gotta'? I choose to be random and defy your terrible statement and say: NO
@Thurguston7 жыл бұрын
That beard is large enough to build a second, smaller Ryu
@issacsantana64197 жыл бұрын
Around 6:00 I thought I heard him say he was trying to find a Death star before I realized he said Dev Star...
@totallynotaliar99127 жыл бұрын
Issac Santana same
@chadnt80993 жыл бұрын
3:56 where PTSD began
@LifeMushroom3 жыл бұрын
Indeed
@BaummitBart7 жыл бұрын
I like the chrono trigger reference at 5:02 -_-
@jamuu17 жыл бұрын
Ryukahr!! Please finish the trash level and see if you can beat it. It leaves me at unease because I know you can beat that level no matter how trashy the level is. please make a different video for that!
@SuperKG866 жыл бұрын
jamuu1 I was gona leave a comment for the same thing and I saw urs👍Ryukahr was so close to beating it. Does anyone know if he played the level again 🤔?
@dakotaanderson7616 жыл бұрын
He should of exspsed them
@alexandermarkwell8186 жыл бұрын
Or just editor-check
@JRWeez6 жыл бұрын
I had to thumbs down cause he didnt even look n editor. WTF?!?!?!?!?!
@peelsreklaw5 жыл бұрын
@@SuperKG86 Hi, 1 year later here. He has now.
@chaosdrive17 жыл бұрын
A mention of one of the greatest RPGs in history. I certainly approve. Lavos needles... timeless.
@iruleatgames7 жыл бұрын
"I'm gonna star you too, I love that, that was wonderful." Doesn't play the level.
@ModernRelik5 жыл бұрын
That worst level ever is a piece of art! It shows what life is like. We try desperately to find a strategy to life when in reality it is chaos and we hope not to get hit on our way through. Or it's a shit level maybe I dunno.
@UltimateTobi5 жыл бұрын
That's deep tho.
@christopherpadilla52447 жыл бұрын
I bet there was a p switch hidden on the second one there were coins above you
@wlfgngpck31027 жыл бұрын
Hipgone343 Unfortunately there is not.
@zerg47647 жыл бұрын
Either way, he's still fucked.
@edgegamer93617 жыл бұрын
true
@ididkdikd41136 жыл бұрын
Hipgone343 1skks
@amandalynn20766 жыл бұрын
Hipgone343 he fuckt up my dude
@Yankeesheepdog7 жыл бұрын
New to the channel, I've watched a handful of videos. The level creations are cool to look at and all but I'm getting more enjoyment from listening to your frustration and watching your facial expressions as you go through life after life. I'm not a crazy gamer, I would curled up into a ball and cry for days if I had to do what you do. Mad props! Keep killin'em!
@kasegarcia29504 жыл бұрын
I saw this video when it came out and watching it again is weird. I didnt realize how much he cursed.
@ceeka90027 жыл бұрын
Ah ryu, the only youtuber that can make 30 minutes feel like 10 minutes. Love your work
@0XxSeCretGiRlxX07 жыл бұрын
0:06 seconds passed, already liked the video 😇
@bestof76377 жыл бұрын
Guess you could say Ryu is a mouse, he sniffs out so much cheese. Also the last level is copied.
@extraplain7 жыл бұрын
I always watch Dashie play MM, and today one of your vids showed up in my suggestions. I saw your thumbnail and questioned whether or not I'd like it since I'm so used to Dashie, but I decided to watch anyway. I'm glad I did. I like your style. Subbed!
@BrickmanJ7 жыл бұрын
He sometimes plays Dashie levels too.
@DeathShark002 жыл бұрын
dang ryu needs to make a special channel for the adults where he doesnt edit out all runs with the swears shit makes the fails/ bad levels so much funnier
@Lelouchxzero13 жыл бұрын
I've come back after seeing this level remade in the recent episode
@theonezenitram3 жыл бұрын
lmao ryu is so much more savage in these old videos, i miss it in a way
@gamsgadgets47237 жыл бұрын
You rock bro! There's something about you that just makes me relax. I love how you consistently reel us in using your wit, skills, and humour. I could watch you all day! Thank you for providing me with endless hours of "ryu-love time". Keep up the great work! I've referred everyone i know :)
@TimmmTim5 жыл бұрын
For one, he doesnt scream and shout like other MM players. He has a pleasant voice as well
@uptownsega33943 жыл бұрын
Wow after 4 years this level comes to haunt ryukahr once again
@rockyandyipper Жыл бұрын
How so?
@uptownsega3394 Жыл бұрын
@@rockyandyipper he plays it agian Mario maker 2 when he plays discord levels
@uptownsega3394 Жыл бұрын
In Mario maker 2
@rockyandyipper Жыл бұрын
@@uptownsega3394 I see. Thank you.
@dry57787 жыл бұрын
"I'm not scared anymore, I got my best friend with me!" Yeah, the best friend you punch over and over again to make him use his tongue!
@itsyaboychipsahoy.79896 жыл бұрын
TheReet Gay
@nick-playercharacter85835 жыл бұрын
"I have no emotions left." The words of a broken man.
@ksrucin7 жыл бұрын
A+ on the Chrono Trigger refernce 5:05
@Alzarath4 жыл бұрын
KZbin recommendations are bringing me back. Holy wow, that's some obscenities. Forgot all about this Ryu.
@kdarrah177 жыл бұрын
Everybody is saying that the level was copied. IT WASNT. IT WAS JUST USING THE IDEA THE PERSON SAID!!
@Logicalpsycho23236 жыл бұрын
13:57 That laugh should have been followed by "...what a story, Mark."
@YoZync7 жыл бұрын
This is what teenage Ryu looked like back in the day
@pikaoo24125 жыл бұрын
Ryu: we have five levels to go I think we can make it. Mario maker gods: hold my spiney
@stiannyquist59757 жыл бұрын
"Its time to get big for Princess Peach" i see you Ryu!
@ericsbuds6 жыл бұрын
20:06 that level is super cool. the ghosts look awesome spawning all around you. there are some really creative people out there.
@jaeusa1607 жыл бұрын
I'm guessing the last level was an anti-cheese version of other levels with the same concept. I know Z7(?) had a video of him cheesing a level with a handful of those key door shell tosses.
@KyleLatebeer7 жыл бұрын
Jaeus A Yeah I saw that I was trying to remember how he cheesed them
@PandaFan24436 жыл бұрын
Im a year late, but I think Ryu ends up cheesing a level like this. I may be wrong though.
@terencebad70095 жыл бұрын
Nathan yeah he cheeses a mushroom through then jumped before throwing it so he couldn’t go through the door
@cjadaaa7 жыл бұрын
Nothing better than coming home from a 10 hour marching band practice to unwind with a video from Ryukahr
@Christian_Ellingsen7 жыл бұрын
Nice! A new video! :D Is it only me that press the like button before even watching? ^_^ Have a great day everybody! :)
@KainYusanagi7 жыл бұрын
Nope. I see Ryukahr video, I like, because I know it's going to be a good time.
@SoffiCitrus7 жыл бұрын
ShadyGaming I wish to die
@cjlatta7 жыл бұрын
"I'm not scared anymore, I've got my best friend with me." Haha, love it
@BrickmanJ7 жыл бұрын
This is for you Grand Theft Autoing Latkitu.
@Matthew109504 жыл бұрын
Watching all the no skips again. At least my 4th time through from the beginning. Love this Ryan Car guy
@brandonvangieson80877 жыл бұрын
A Lavos reference in 2017 is always gonna eak a like out of my stingy ass.
@TomMcKee336 жыл бұрын
I absolutely love that Chrono Trigger reference. Well done sir.
@nikoladragovic92837 жыл бұрын
The longer the beard the longer line of marios that get to live.
@casualearl7 жыл бұрын
10:23, I was sure I'm going to see tears :D Great stuff man!
@eddiebungerbitch96877 жыл бұрын
Ryu, are you ever gonna play mega maker subscriber levels? If so, can you play mine, called either robot power plant or shiver mountaintop
@Bondokill5 жыл бұрын
I new to watching these Super Mario Maker videos. I love your streams! Very funny and I really like how you edit them to just kind of pick back up from the last place you died. I'm addicted to these!
@juliopaul7417 жыл бұрын
Imagine dashiegames trying these levels😂😂
@theshinigami15487 жыл бұрын
Jack Stone NEEEEEXXT!!!
@GoonSquad_TV7 жыл бұрын
Dude would have a stroke
@zarihill2185 жыл бұрын
I wanna see this
@Brian186-l1d5 жыл бұрын
NEXT!
@TwitchDuck7 жыл бұрын
Ryu the type of guy to star your level with cheese in it because he's happy the cheesey level made his super expert easier lol!
@ceviche4life9517 жыл бұрын
All this and peach gives him a kiss on his god damn hat Haha nevermind that's on other games All she said is "yOu'RE My hErO"
@gamejitzu7 жыл бұрын
hopefully something legit happens in odyssey >_>
@leaffen96165 жыл бұрын
@@gamejitzu Hahahahaha...
@gamejitzu5 жыл бұрын
@@leaffen9616 Peach straight yeeted on not only Mario, but even _Bowser_ this time. Like damn, peach knows no limits lol
@Super_Ammo8 ай бұрын
I love seeing unfiltered Ryu in these old ones.
@caseydye25397 жыл бұрын
Started watching you on KZbin last week. I waited to subscribe to see if your videos were consistently entertaining. After watching this one you've definitely earned my "Subscribe." You're extremely entertaining. Keep it up.
@quinndaly62582 ай бұрын
Imagine the actual Super Mario Bros game was actually just a bunch of levels like that one
@ProfessorAtlas7 жыл бұрын
Great video Ryu! :D
@arobmaniac13587 жыл бұрын
Hi atlas!
@TheManaMarioBros7 жыл бұрын
hey atlas!
@Hanz_Haze7 жыл бұрын
I love these super expert no skip runs... thank you for making another one!
@GendoIkari_827 жыл бұрын
There's plenty of levels that use the "if you get a key, you lose" mechanic. I first saw it in a Guitar Hero level. I've used it myself in one of my levels.
@BryanatGameStop5 жыл бұрын
Love the Chrono Trigger reference
@Spinwizard1967 жыл бұрын
This is why Super expert sucks. Because of all the stupid cheap levels you find
@wabch7 жыл бұрын
isnt is that what SE is for
@brysongodo23695 жыл бұрын
@@wabch well it's made for hard levels yes but it would be nice to have a skill based levels instead of luck based
@janbertl56047 жыл бұрын
U saved my day Ryukahr😍
@SignsForSustenance7 жыл бұрын
Ryu is handsome.
@Ugh7183 жыл бұрын
Lol.The irony.I just realized u got the worst level ever made in episode 13 lmao XD.Apparently 13 really is the unlucky number indeed XD
9:55- 10:03 ROFL!!!! I don't know why I find Ryu's reaction so funny!
@AntoG7 жыл бұрын
I'm glad there is a skip button in mario maker.
@Zorgdub6 жыл бұрын
"Jumping on these blocks twice seems like the strat." _proceeds to never again jump twice on a block_
@Iris-AceOfHearts7 жыл бұрын
For the people! Oh Wait... Wrong youtuber... Must be the hat.
@avgplayer44237 жыл бұрын
LOL. Now Ryu also divides some situations in fair and unfair. I think he has been watching a lot of twitch recently. XD
@agarcjaydagreat87167 жыл бұрын
KILLER MEMSTAR
@myrokin5 жыл бұрын
So I realize this video and many others just like it is like a year old, but I just found Ryu the other day, and this is getting me through some bad shit. Thank you
@itzmistz7 жыл бұрын
There was an air guitar level i wanted you to try that used that same key door check at the end of the stage
@Viroyl5 жыл бұрын
just watching that mario execution line is pretty entertaining
@zucczucczucc7 жыл бұрын
Bro u look like keemstar
@PlushiePoogle5 жыл бұрын
"I put down the controller because I thought I was dead" That was pretty amazing XD
@dirt7887 жыл бұрын
+ryukahr i hope Carl gets well soon! :D
@gael85857 жыл бұрын
what happened
@rd23_7 жыл бұрын
Gael Fluffles he discovered he has a stomach ulcer
@gael85857 жыл бұрын
hopes he gets well then
@TheRoomNote7 жыл бұрын
Damn that SeanHip2 Puzzle Troll Level! 😂
@medigoomnis7 жыл бұрын
I love you man, but it's soooo hilariously satisfying to see deaths during cheese attempts or watch you run right off a ledge after pause buffering :'D
@Rorschach19987 жыл бұрын
Got the Emoji Movie ad Watched the whole ad *THUG LIFE*
@weezerfan707 жыл бұрын
:0
@juliantheivysaur31377 жыл бұрын
Thank god cancer is not contagious.
@ightvacy52337 жыл бұрын
blackblade 34 stop
@emeraldgreen28786 жыл бұрын
The emoji movie is cancer
@Blastphemy12907 жыл бұрын
Super Xxpert No Skip!! This is my favorite series! Need to make this a weekly fixture so when GoT season 7 ends I'll have something to look forward to. :0
@nanorrt7 жыл бұрын
Please go back and beat that cancerous falling spiny level
@serge2637 жыл бұрын
There are two types of Super Mario Maker developers. There's the normal creators that make fun levels. Then there are the makers that are basically RubberRoss.
@notaspacebatnamedzarthulu55697 жыл бұрын
Aduro Tri no ross does developer bs all the time or has other people beat his levels
@sunshineandrainfall17 жыл бұрын
Am I the only one who thought that this is a grand poo bear video from the thumbnail? 🐻
@180treehouse46 жыл бұрын
Yes you are the only one who imagined that
@ethan62237 жыл бұрын
28:22 - "jumping on the same block twice seems like a sound strat" *proceeds to jump on every block once*
@StefanBourne7 жыл бұрын
So did you actually beat U break from panga?
@legendarynick27987 жыл бұрын
Wow you're honestly amazing at this game the way you think on your feet and always know to do instantly is astounding
@EmberGyaru7 жыл бұрын
Heeeeeey!! You finally went to Twitch! More often at least. And now I shall watch your streams more often. I'm truly sure you had/have good reasons for streaming more on KZbin, but until I hear of extreme corruption permeating Twitch as a company, that's where I go to watch streams.
@simonbrown2857 жыл бұрын
smithers311 Twitch is a shit bugging lagging piece of shit. If you arnt a fan that can support ryu on both platforms then that just proves you are the piece of shit your annoucing urself to be
@afsbgdnhfghnghall63607 жыл бұрын
Simon Brown stfu
@dauntless645 жыл бұрын
You see? I’m so used to people clickbaiting viewers with amazing and deceiving thumbnails. I click the video and the first thing I see is what the thumbnail showed. I’m now reminded why I love your channel.
@LuisGarcia-jp4ly7 жыл бұрын
You think ryu rocks the hat? I don't think so
@Vasquezz287 жыл бұрын
looks like hes a imitation poo
@R4ndomNMBRS7 жыл бұрын
Andy V. Now poo needs a beard so he also looks like ryu!
@nickries22567 жыл бұрын
Luis Garcia #bringbackthebeenie
@morgi10677 жыл бұрын
I think it looks fine on him.
@adrizz4225 жыл бұрын
Every time I say “who cares,” i die instantly. 😂
@DarkFrozenDepths7 жыл бұрын
even though these are some of the most fucked up abominations... you gotta remember this: it had it be beaten in order for it to be shared...
@DarkFrozenDepths7 жыл бұрын
Zerex89 it's fun for the dev cause they're trolling people
@cerealkilled38717 жыл бұрын
DarkFrozenDepths , I bet you made that level, I bet you are one of those Devs who can't play the game them self so they have to make cheap levels to feel better about them self, did your mommy not hug you enough as a kid or something?
@DarkFrozenDepths7 жыл бұрын
nice accusation, but you overlooked one thing.... I DON'T OWN THE GAME. anytime i played it was off a friend's copy cause i have no intentions of owning a wii u. but yes, i do create something, my own game that's actually fair and challenging, but if the challenge is too much, someone could always make it easier via difficulty settings... sorry, but you're the one that sounds like a salty ass kid. so go rage somewhere else and quit insulting others intelligence with your cancerous replies
@faulkgough5246 жыл бұрын
Adjustable difficulty via a settings is one thing; like in this game you are making... making a purposely shitty level that -needs- a hidden exit to beat; is not fun. And funny for the dev does in no way make it better. Your first Line contradicts that one. I love to watch Ryu try these hard levels too, and, too see him get so hosed is a rare thing. And, too, what does pointing out you don't onw the game or have any desire to own the console, merit?
@unforseenconsequense5 жыл бұрын
I don't like you, DarkFrozenDepths and I think that good developers find a lot of fun in making challenging levels that players enjoy trying to play, anyone can make an impossible level with a dev exit, just like anyone can push in line at the shops...
@eenayeah7 жыл бұрын
Man, this went from worst level ever made to one of your best Super Experts. All of the levels were good! Even the trolly first level had just the right amount of troll.
@jedrespess23577 жыл бұрын
Video starts at 0:00
@left4starstormgaming8676 жыл бұрын
Jed Respess your a life saver
@thegatorhator68226 жыл бұрын
Cheers brother
@goldensun27876 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@contentdeleted16216 жыл бұрын
Jed Respess Actually, what we're here for is 3:55.
@guessimbishop92506 жыл бұрын
Jed Respess thanks I couldn't find it
@rugemercy19857 жыл бұрын
It's fun to see you playing Mario. Hope for more mario maker videos bro.
@redangelgeek7 жыл бұрын
Ryu I challenge you to lose the next super espert NS You cut the beard
@ryukahr7 жыл бұрын
can i just flip a coin instead?
@thomasongherth11747 жыл бұрын
ryukahr yea
@redangelgeek7 жыл бұрын
ryukahr Yes, no problem
@morble7577 жыл бұрын
red angel geek he gets rid of that beard and I get rid of human existance
@TerrorLTZ7 жыл бұрын
he wont be able to chop wood again...
@darthmaul74525 жыл бұрын
8:48 snatched defeat from the jaws of victory
@quatschkopq1867 жыл бұрын
video starts at: 3:55
@quintonnguyen99017 жыл бұрын
Reichskeks desperate for likes
@UndercoverOrange33177 жыл бұрын
actually video starts at 00:00
@quatschkopq1867 жыл бұрын
lol, just wanted to tell people when "the worst level ever made" started. When i was desperate for likes i would have written "who else thinks that...", "like if you agree" etc.
@lizzydakid7 жыл бұрын
Reichskeks thanks buddy
@NoNameAtAll27 жыл бұрын
First lvl at 0:57
@KYMETAL_17 жыл бұрын
"Super expert" is like the video game mode equivalent of a fedora