THE WORST PHANTOM IN WAR THUNDER | F-4C Phantom II

When the Phantom is not good
Outtro: Oxwave - Saturn Mirage

[@_Joob]

Yes this is a re-upload, I accidently renderred the first one in 24 FPS without realizing >:(

[@roxuub]

yeah i thought my crap pc was being crap :3

[@lambsaucy69]

skill issue

[@desperatetogetsomehoes]

I thought my internet was just shit, reassuring

[@tavolo2969]

Yeah I thought it was my phone

[@junkers_stuka]

yeah i saw it in the original, btw nice vid you re the best.

[@hughmungus7015]

Petition for the US military to dig up one of their old f4-c's and put a countermeasure pod on it so that war thunder has an excuse to give the f4-c some countermeasures

[@flywithturnip]

By the way to me at least, the aim 9E feels like an aim 9B that you can somewhat lead

[@_Joob]

that's a better comparison lol

[@jakobc.2558]

Thats what it is. It's a AIM-9B with a different seekerhead and a nose that produces slightly less drag giving it more range.

[@jaek_898]

No, Joob was right in the video. The AIM-9E has FAR more in common with the AIM-9J. The AIM-9J is basically an AIM-9E with different fins. 9E and 9J share a motor and seeker while the 9B and 9E have nothing in common at all.

[@juancarlospinzonmedina6377]

I felt the same way when I unlocked them for the first time in the F100D, the 9E feels like a glorified 9B

[@nymeric5833]

@@jaek_898 yeah the aim 9e is significantly faster than the 9b

[@MissingLink2626]

A good tip is to bring a singe rocket pod, you can effectively use them as flares especially in the head on

[@Registered_Simp]

The Aim-7D is a tricky missile to use. It has a few qualities that pretty much make it effective only above 4000m altitude (for BR 10.0). I also don't like using them within 4k whenever I can since the missile has a good bit of minimum distance. I find employment at altitudes above 7000m and within 6-8km to be most optimal. Being at altitude also helps you avoid swarms of Su-25's and A-10's so you can come in from above and behind to destroy them. For the Br, I can't say the Aim-7D is bad, but it definitely has a more specific employment window than most radar missiles. I'll list the most impactful stats of the Aim-7D and Aim-9E below Aim-7D: Diameter - 200mm Mass - 182kg start --> 144kg end Motor - 41KN for 2.1 seconds (530m/s DeltaV max) Fin Angle - 14.4 degrees (13 degrees per second shift possible) G-Load - 15G Time Out - 1.8 second delay before tracking starts Uncage Limits - 15 degrees (45 after launch with 12 degrees per second track rate) Aim-9E: Diameter - 127mm Mass - 76.4kg start --> 57.5kg end Motor - 18.1KN for 2.2 seconds (598m/s DeltaV max) Fin Angle - 9.9 degrees (10.6 degrees per second shift possible) G-Load - 10G Time Out - 0.5 second delay before tracking starts Uncage Limits - 10 Degrees (40 after launch with 12 degrees per second track rate)

[@sherlocksinha2435]

The aim 7D is tricky but at higher alts it can really stretch it's legs . Being CW it requires more brain to chaff effectively and at higher alts you don't see the all aspect gang to much anyway. It can hit targets out to 8 to 10 and sometimes if you're really high out to 15km . Carrying 4 without the gunpod means you're an absolute speed demon and that helps massively with these sparrows

[@jacobdoolan4978]

Chad

[@alekndov7300]

In the video sometimes it seems to ignore the chaff, how is this possible?

[@Registered_Simp]

@@alekndov7300 The radar itself works in standard Pulse, which is vulnerable to chaff. The missile on the other hand is working in Doppler, commonly denoted as CW (Continuous Wave) in the seeker type description. This means the missile is not just looking for return size, but velocity (This is how most radar missiles in WT guide). And since the aircraft is moving towards the guidance radar, the missile sees it and not the chaff, even if the radar itself is decoyed (so long as you hold the lock). So, if you're traveling right at the radar, or a slight angle off and just start chaffing, your chaff means nothing to that missile. The missile itself can still be defeated by chaff. But it requires you to make a 90 degree right angle to the relevant guidance radar. Not 85 degrees, or 95 degrees, but 90 degrees. This is to reduce your relative velocity to the radar to as close to 0 as possible. If you're moving at a perfect 90, then the missile can't tell what's you and what's the ground or surrounding environment. This is called notching. This is a skill that will be instrumental as you increase in BR. Especially since Fox-3's like Aim-120 and R-77 are on the horizon and fast approaching.

[@captainalex0018]

The F4C taught me 2 things: Why ppl buy premiums How to endure pain

[@computerenthusiast1035]

nice. as i said, F-4C is food for missile premiums.

[@captainalex0018]

Yea it somehow faces 35G missiles and if you are below Mach 1 and u r in 1km range of an Su-25 (1.7km in the A-10's nose), the phantom just can't dodge it

[@mikhailjairnisbett441]

@@captainalex0018 4km headon Aim9L is undodgeable, if the R60M even gets a lock headon you're dead

[@Bruh-fc7ik]

You know what planes I’ve been having the most fun with atm? The Su-7s. They all boast crazy climb rates, damn good top speed for their tier especially at altitude, combined with the NS-30s still hiting hard as hell (even post real shitter). Maybe it’s just me but playing them is as close to a breath of fresh air as I can get in Warthunder these days

[@evangalinsky2499]

I've always enjoyed them. I have a bunch of clips with them. Super fun planes. Way more maneuverable than most think. Tons of energy and acceleration, really good FM honestly. I just wish they would have made a variant that could actually carry AAM's. Or if one does exist, that they'd add it to the game. They also look really good too imo. Less ugly than a lot of Russian jets, especially attackers.

[@jayklink851]

I adore the F4C, especially at its proper BR. The downside, however, and it's a very big downside, is that 85% of your teammates, at the time, were level 6-12 A-10/A6 pilots. Thus, making for challenging matches to say the least lol.

[@ArcticWipeout]

If it had countermeasures it'd probably be my favourite plane. But it doesnt so it collects dust in my hanger.

[@sriramg2759]

omg thanks for playing it....needed a proper overview on it

[@podcastler]

some mig 21s 10.0 also carries missiles like r60 but they add the worst phantom model with thrash missiles to the game as a counterbalance to them

[@ae0n772]

Would love to see what controls you run for your games, I'm still trying to figure out combinations that work for me

[@pricylizard8785]

The ending edit is 🔥🔥

[@sarko5989]

I need an explanation for that noise at 5:24

[@mapletreepower7038]

I like to go high use aim7s if i can and then cut in behind the furball

[@tbdonut]

whenever the f14b comes out, can you play that and review it? would love to see how it works before i grind a tech tree :D

[@evangalinsky2499]

It's the 14A with better engines, and 9L's. Those are the only changes that will effect you in air RB. Better than the A, not better than the F-16 or MiG-29, other than total missile quantity. Its not a video but if/when he makes one, that's exactly what he's going to say, almost guaranteed. As it's otherwise, exactly the same (again, for air RB only, not accounting for ground ordinance which you shouldn't be taking in air RB). Same radar. 54C will be marginally better, if they even change it from the A as it's currently copy paste. 7M is 7F copy paste. The only 2 real big advantages over the A is the engines and the 9L's instead of 9H's.

[@yeetmeat_]

swear to god tho this plane always shitting on me with its pheonixes cus I don't have enough countermeasures to reliably carry chaff at 10.0

[@budthechud8913]

F4 c to me is like the Mirage 3 c, it's not a great plane, but 10.0 br is so stuff with prem players with brain rot you can probably still drop at least 2-3 kills a game

[@ethanadam-fl8bl]

At least ❎️ atheist ✅️

[@AlittleIron]

Plus the magics help the mirage quite a bit.

[@keithward9096]

5:24

[@Liams_Kebab]

play the a10 early

[@salingram409]

Hey I’m first

[@SilenceThis]

I find it funny that this jet in real life struck fear in a Mig21s heart but in game I fear any Mig21 carrying r60s

[@blackmark7165]

Well isn't Vietnam war MiG-21 is only have R3 which basically AIM-9B copy

[@SilenceThis]

@@blackmark7165 yeah unfortunately all the MiGs with just those middles are 9.7 or 9.3, and being around the spam of premiums I almost never get an up tier match

[@elkrumb9159]

Use the F-4E now in this new update and everything will fear you, it’s quite literally the King of 11.0 nothing can touch you, If it can out turn you, you can run away, if it out runs you it can’t our turn you, if something climbs use ACM mode launch an AIM7E-2 and send that Fucker back to the hangar for even thinking about showing it’s face in your skies

[@Averagebater]

Gaijin loves and supports communism I swear..

[@walnut6212]

I used to love the F-4C and used to be pretty good before 10.0 got filled with Su-25's and A-10's. It's my second best performing plane, and F8U-2 as my best performing plane (crusader on top)

[@RD-NTN]

Yep. Back in the day this was such a beast. Just mainly dodging aim-9e and B. (I was so new to radar tho that i didn’t know how tu switch acm and just used seeker mode. Wide cone; for the life of itni couldn’t dogfight with the aim-7D

[@Bonk997]

"crusader on top" BRO DOES NOT KNOW ABOUT THE FRENCH CRUSADER 🗣🗣🗣🗣

[@stanjon7]

I love this plane but can’t bring myself to play it. When my friends purchased jets to play WT I taught them to target this plane.

[@frankiegutierrez3847]

Taught them how to bully a child lol

[@Rickygamberini...buongiorno]

5:23 sees the phantom funny face in the back and starts singing the spongebob closing theme

[@Rickygamberini...buongiorno]

Re-upload the comment

[@sicsempertyrannis6541]

I'll say what I've always said when it comes to the 4-C, in its current state, 3 things could make it perform better 1. Decompression 2. Ahistorical flares, don't @ me because the F-5's get them, it would be a good gameplay improvement 3. Give it 7E's, so that it has a standout feature besides being a missile sponge

[@evangalinsky2499]

The F-5A and C's are premium/event planes. That's the only reason they got flares (the Taiwanese 5A actually used them though). They're not giving the 4C flares. If they were going to, they'd have done it already. But it won't make them any money directly, so they don't care.

[@LewisB3217]

Honestly, it carried a chaff pod, that’d help it a bunch (you can deal with ir missiles by turning and cutting throttle if you’re lucky), chaff would let it duel radar up high, it also used the aim7e2s irl

[@sicsempertyrannis6541]

@@evangalinsky2499 F-5E didn't have flairs either, it got them anyway

[@henne5348]

​@@LewisB3217 how are you dodging r60s?

[@LewisB3217]

@@henne5348 if you cut your throttle to 0 and turn so it can’t track your engine as well, you can sometimes live, I don’t really do it anymore tho cause I have flares

[@sleempy6343]

this thing used to be so fun when it first came out, i always was taking 3 gun pods and it shredded anything. so sad its probably the worst plane at its tier now

[@Spaceglider-official]

For a sec, I thought that Ive had an insane dejavu. Thank god its just a reupload lol :D

[@Mr.Brttttt]

very great plane can outrun most aircraft spaded sorry for most every aircraft I have hit mach 1.14 at sea level chasing a mig23 also killed him..great plane when in the right hands DONT BRING GUNS

[@jackgamer6307]

How in the fuck does the Aim7 track after radar lock is lost? I've died to Aim7s after their host aircraft was dead and in a flatspin. Are they just magic to younter "russian bias"?

[@Vizzix_]

plz play with f80a or f84b again

[@EricThyKaiser]

Thought this was the worst? Say hello the the F4F-ICE in 2024

[@theignorantcast4438]

Reupload! Hell yeah I’ll watch again!

[@_Joob]

lol

[@jaehyung2737]

I think it is pretty great plane It usually gets matched with downtier ones thanks to A6, A10 and su25k

[@kurnass2000]

I think the F4C phantom should be at =9.7 so it can get good downtiers and all aspects carriers like A10 and SU-25 should be at at 10.3-10.7, so they can't be downtiered to the point they face subsonics like F86, A4B and that stuff.

[@Sipsy301]

I'd rather it stays where it is purely because 8 missiles at the speeds it can achieve is an absolute hell to face at 9.7 when it gets downtiered (as I have experienced, dodged 3 Aim-9Es only to get dunked on by an Aim7D because I have no countermeasures at 9.7 whilst an F4C was chasing me). Really there just needs to be some serious decompression... again. Edit: It actually has 8 MISSILES and can be down tiered to face stuff with no countermeasures already (much like certain toptier IR missile wielding premium boats)

[@LewisB3217]

@@Sipsy301 it has no countermeasures either, and rather mediocre missiles (it carried aim7e2s irl)

[@kurnass2000]

@@Sipsy301I would say that their should be a specific locked br that only flareless planes with missles can be in. Which the f4c and f104 can find their rivals

[@Danielklark]

​@@Sipsy301well, no. 90% of matches phantom plays against 10.7 - 11.0, other 10% 9.7-10.3/10.7.It's rare to see a Phantom playing against 9.3.

[@HighRiskV]

F4C should be an early entry to fox1 fighting, but the radar is so bad at acquiring locks that even a mig21 with r3r does better

[@moldypotato4656]

I can get a lock with the Mig-21's radar on an enemy plane at ground level, while in a dive with basically nothing but ground clutter but the F4C can't lock a plane at 2km against a clear blue sky to save its life. The last few matches I played I didn't even bring the Aim-7s with me because I could never fire them at an enemy and they'd miss even if I got a lock.

[@pinkbunni1230]

I love the F-4C. Yes im mentally insane

[@HoseeeWT]

your not my brother your just better than the rest

[@HoseeeWT]

idk whats wrong with u all but this jet is amazing i legit get so many 6 kills games non stop its very very good

[@TangoDCS]

this is pain, the only thing this jet has going for it is the smile on the back. Good video tho :)

[@ViperPilot16]

I honestly wish Gaijin would just add the F-4D Phantom II. And have it be the middle ground between the F4E and this. Plus it gets flares if you want to fly early Phantoms.

[@blazeiscrazy8737]

Mea SEATEORR

[@sholtzi2593]

Bad missiles no flares at 10.3 for the longest time before it finally got dropped to 10.0? That's my first modern jet I was hardstuck at for well over a year. Bad times.

[@Ironhideunlimited]

It still beats everyone at it's BR to the bases so I guess it's good for grinding in a scummy strike aircraft ruining kind of way

[@SilverEC170]

i can c that the f4c is bad

[@PanzerSteinn]

Bro it’s better than the MiG-29 Just get good

[@Andstronaut]

1Kth like!

[@mantusl]

wtf? i swear ive seen an f4c flare my missile a couple of times, even yesterday? am i trippin??

[@jeremyvincentelli1668]

Is no worst, the f4 its for air /ground no air/air. Know plane People really

[@GeneralLee2000]

F-105 video when

[@uladzimirhryharovich8852]

one of my fav planes but man you cant play it nowadays you just can not now its full cuck mode plane

[@majorjakub5180]

Like this F-4 is ok, if i won't face any 20G+ rocket

[@adrianoitaliano371]

I'VE BEEN PLAYING FOR 3 DAYS AND I CAN'T HIT ANYTHING WITH AIM 7D

[@Руловский]

Now got uptiered to 10.7 for no reason

[@phillemelin6213]

"Plane is absolute garbage" Gets 4 kills in the first game

[@imaginewinning5679]

Most fantoms are garbage anyway, W OUTRO

[@th3boyoflov3schannel30]

What’s you targeting distance?

[@that_fritz_guy5918]

Video 1 of requesting the I-153P

[@RandomHui]

now play the Su-17M2!

[@Noruddercontrol]

The aim9 bs treat you well in an f100

[@Boris_The_Turtle]

A plane so terrible it actually has decent reward multipliers.

[@dr.j2853]

make another mig 29 or f14 video

[@gemstonepotato]

to dodge missiles easily without flares in F-4s you can use cut one engine apply rudder and elevator, EX y,5,5,1,1,s,q or y,5,5,2,1,s,e, you will pull an extra 1-2 gs when you cut your engine in f-4, in smaller twin engine planes Like f-5s youll see less than a1G but in f-14s you can see 3-4gs greater pull in these maneuvers, using a single cut engine. this is my highlighting a tool i would like to see you use, as i think it would make you truly unstoppable.

[@reaganwetzel3734]

Day 1 of asking for the milan

[@flynntaggart8549]

this thing is good for ONE THING base bombing tasks load 4 napalm bombs, take 9 mins fuel or 20 mins on ec maps gets to bases quicker than anyone else, biggest threat is r60mk's in an uptier

[@podcastler]

now it's 10.7

[@davidhunt122122]

I love the F-4C. I hate everything that it gets for air to air, but I used 18 250 pound bombs to grind all of tier 6 and 7 with a talisman.

[@mightyzuis]

This jet is actually really good but the br placement currently sucks bit hopefully someday gaijin br decompress

[@JayPex100]

bro, people asking if F4C is good, after some say it has no flares, they instantly regret grinding it lmao

[@dgbproductions3406]

can you play the ej kai

[@dsgdarkness7052]

Damn this got 8 missiles

[@LipeBrickStudios]

0:41 "Deez"? who's "Deez"?

[@AviationNerd006]

even though f4c has bad missiles, no flares, and no agile eagle, you can still get kills with how war thunder's gameplay works

[@braedynhoward3644]

Bro I frickin hated this plane... especially since it was my first top tier supersonic besides the f104. Thanks for sharing the pain for others to see XD

[@_HARDLiNE_]

Cool content, +sub )

[@jesterthelegend926]

I always climb in this thing, saying low is not the way in the f4c.

[@grajver6309]

Its good in sim tho

[@nyccoyax3831]

i have unlocked all the top tier vehicles using this thing with talisman in a few days, its the best phantom in the game

[@blackmark7165]

IMO to make F-4C competitive in current state of the game it should be replaced with F-4D variant that have countermeasures Also F-105D replaced with F-105F that have both flare and chaff Also since we got F-4S as premium, is that mean we will get F-4N in tech tree?

[@IamVF301]

The N will prob be an event vehicle knowing gaijin

[@georise922]

This plane and his bombs load are the reason for why I have f14 and f16

[@Bush-Shark]

Criticizes the plane, but doesn't understand the ordnance.

[@garrettmiller1355]

With the price jacked up they could add better missiles that it carried.

[@mrkrabs4913]

Nu uh

[@blazjurkovic4056]

i remember the su22m2 at 11.0. normal r60 and no flares.

[@AlittleIron]

It used to be pretty fun about 2 years ago lol

[@lokikinch]

Just wanted to say the new outro is looking great man!

[@brysunghost7591]

Reupload

[@mmk0009-sz8te]

Skill issue f4c is great if you just come in from the side and stay low

[@jadenwalker6713]

F-4C is epic.

[@mokkus6501]

only 720p :(

[@namespacestd131]

New outro?! Cool.

[@alexnovak3319]

2nd vid? think u uploaded it twice fam

[@roxuub]

"Yes this is a re-upload, I accidently renderred the first one in 24 FPS without realizing >:("

[@mightywolf4047]

Buff the aim 7D to match the 7E performance (a little worse) and you have a perfect phantom again 😃

[@randy0210]

or.................. Just give it aim7E

[@LewisB3217]

It used the aim7e2 irl, but yknow, gaijin gimping them, the F4e also has an incorrect loadout for the time period it’s in

[@sakuraibby]

reupload? what happened?

[@roxuub]

"Yes this is a re-upload, I accidently renderred the first one in 24 FPS without realizing >:("

[@KaixThunder]

Nice vid my guy 🔥

[@kamraam1464]

Here's my two cents since I've spent a lot of time trying to figure out how the F-4C can do well: Stay high and fast. I run 4 sparrows and 4 sidewinders, no gun pod or anything else. Allows me to hit mach 1.2+ at 20k feet and sling sparrows at the enemies who decide to come up to that altitude as well. If my missiles miss, no problem, I simply blow past them and they can't do anything to catch me if they try turning around to follow me. It's just a matter of finding targets that look appealing and trying to get the jump on them. In my experience, there's really nothing else that can catch you at that BR so as long as you keep your speed high and avoid going down low to catch an aim9l/r60m in the face, you are very difficult to kill.

[@uladzimirhryharovich8852]

you still will be just an easy frag for spsk a5c su25 and considering that f4 is always uptiered there is smt mf and other planes that wont give you any chances its THE WORST 1v1 plane at 10.0

[@dreamhackian4864]

Honestly this plane is very good. Easy 2-4 kills per game. Just climb up to 5-6km and use the sparrows when above Mach 1

[@adoplwt]

It is not trash, imo it's competitive at 10.0, as u can see, if u playing this somehow correctly, u can get easily 5 kills game. This plane needs just different playstyle, because you are phantom without flares and with mid missiles :'))

[@IMJUSTABANANA]

it's actully the best phantom for me, low repair cost, you can take full missile loadout with bomb enough to destroy a base + some ffar as counter measure, i can safely say this is probably the only jet that i never lose sl on(minus the stock grind of course) , pro tip dont install any upgrade except all those weapons to keep the repair cost low

[@elbozo3214]

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[@IMJUSTABANANA]

@@elbozo3214 💀

[@Heisenballsofficial]

Pls more livestreams