The Worst Thing About Disc Brakes #2

[@peterho3299]

Front disk brake of my BMC Teammachine squealed loudly from day 1. Very embarrassing on group rides. Persisted despite cleaning the rotor several times with alcohol, deglazing the pads with sandpaper. Was about to change pads (one bike shop suggested changing the rotor). Then I saw the brake assembly was misaligned causing one pad to contact first and push the rotor to the other side upon braking. Realigned the brakes after loosening the mounting bolts. Presto - silence!

[@Synthwave89]

I noticed this too!! My MTB squealed bad and noticed one pad hit the disk much earlier than the other, bending the disk away from center. I loosened the caliper, applied brakes which centered the caliper perfectly, then tightened caliper screws. Done. If pads are uneven it might not go as well, try flipping them and it might also help.

[@anthonybaxendale887]

A good old ice cream lolly stick held in place with an elastic band works for keeping your brake in place when travelling with your bike. Something I've used for years on mountain & road bikes for years 🙂

[@roilev]

6:02 rule#1 applies to the calliper alignment tool too. If you touch it with bare hands you may transfer your oil to the pads. Even if I hate to (and avoid to), I force myself to wear gloves when working with the brakes.

[@fennec13]

Gotta love when a channel like this puts out a Disc brake video and the "Rim brake defense force" comes out... If you don't have disc brakes, then enjoy your old QR bike with wheels and pads you have to replace and let the rest of us enjoy a bike that STOPS. And don't fool yourself; Set up and maintenance is no more strenuous than rim brakes. But the result is actually having brakes that work no matter the weather. Go figure.

[@stevegeek]

Agreed. I only recently moved to disc and wouldn’t go back. I do still own a rim brake bike but last time I rode it I almost came to grief on a narrow steep descent when I met a car coming the other way. Had I been on my disc equipped bike I could have stopped no problem but on the rim brakes I needed to do some unexpected off-roading! Scary moment!

[@SurpriseMeJT]

'no more strenuous' . hahahahhhaahHAHHAHAHAHAHA

[@michaelsigismonde7958]

If you're intent on fixing your own brakes, stick to the traditional rim brakes. They're infinitely easier to maintain and fix.

[@brendonnoble5227]

People seem to forget that rim brakes can also squeal. I think that maybe the whole caliper system needs to be re-thought. Afterall motorbike and car brakes squeal much less and the pads last much longer.

[@zeemon9623]

Brakes for motorised vehicles can be much heavier so that they last longer but in the cycling industry it sounds pretty impossible to successfully market a deliberately weighty option. Also, cars and motorbikes themselves are really loud, meaning there is a whole lot of noise that a brake can produce before anybody can even hear them over things like an engine.

[@LagunaRider1961]

Can’t wait for the review of that gorgeous Moots! 🙏🙏

[@stevepolhill3295]

When the bike isn't being used for long spells is it correct to have the brake levers pulled on with an elastic band to stop them going spongy?

[@archetypex65]

You can do this any time, no matter how long the bike sits. MotoX and Moto roadrace mechanics do this all time.

[@jgogl9791]

​@@archetypex65 what's the technical/ science asked to this, I wonder? If spongy brakes are due to small air bubbles in the system, then depressing the lever does what, puts the hydraulic system under pressure so the bubbles are less likely to travel up to the reservoir in the hoods (so be less likely to benefit from an open bleed (when you just open the oil insert at the hoods to let air bubbles come out with a syringe of fluid)?). Struggling to understand, but would like to!

[@mg6263]

I blocked my brake calipers with folded up paper plates when I couldn't find my plastic brake blocks. Got me from Europe back to the US without problems. Not my preferred method, but it worked in a pinch.

[@peters8504]

That’s one special bike behind you there ! Nice 👍. I wonder your ride quality if you compare to Filante or Specialisima.

[@domestique3954]

Nice titanium frame with quality parts and wheels-I like that bike and have a similar one,just with rim brakes 🤙

[@stephencarr9342]

If your discs squeal like mad, and you’ve tried centering them, and every solution under the sun from varnish remover to disc brake cleaner and sandpaper, it could be faulty brake callipers - Shimano road are renowned for it. After a dry ride on your noisy brakes, take the pads out- if they have damp circles on the back of the pads, your pistons are leaking mineral oil onto your pads and rotor. If this is the case, no new pads/ rotor / cleaning will solve it. There are 2 options- you can remove the hydraulic calliper, take it apart and service it, or buy a new caliper and start over. You do need to know what you are doing, so if you diagnose this problem, the bike shop is your friend. I’ve replaced an Ultegra caliper with this issue and now have silent brakes !

[@nickwatson2213]

good video, i like the bike in the background David, what is it please ?

[@neilrobinson7965]

Dave, the brake rotor on the bike with the Enve forks you are using for the demonstration looks quite worn to me. I would check out the thickness using a set of calipers. It should be >1.5 mm in thickness. Probably worth mentioning about rotor wear in one of your videos as it is a safety issue if they get too worn.

[@deuce9624]

The bike in the background is sweet

[@deuce9624]

@@savagepro9060 I can say it however I want

[@deuce9624]

@@savagepro9060 Why do you feel the need to try to put down a comment that is paying a compliment to someone else’s bike when it has absolutely nothing to do with you? Go away

[@danc1829]

Nothing wrong with rim brakes issue is everyone that used discs assumes for some reason you can only run your best 2k carbon wheels all year round 🤷‍♂️ Just buy cheap alloy training wheels paired with Swiss stop BXP pads for winter, I purchased last week some shimano R5 wheels brand new off market place for £50.00 (the cost of 1 ultegra rotor) and will last me 2 or 3 winters... While I get the argument discs are better in the wet in my local club hardly anyone will ride when the heavens really open anyway 🤷‍♂️🤦‍♂️ I do cycle repairs and have probably seen less than 5 bikes that don't rub when I first put them in the stand.... Issue a lot of the time is the frames aren't faced correctly... Disc = A marketing money making con driving up the price of road bikes.... But that's my take (12 years mechanical experience)

[@twatts4436]

I get the point about riders not riding when actively raining, but I used to find that even on damp roads thr rim brake performance dropped significantly. For that reason I (personally) find that discs are essential for winter. But, plenty of riders still on rims. They're absolutely fine.

[@BeyondLumination]

Most bike riders don’t have 2 sets of wheels and many do ride year round. Club riders are the exception not the norm. Most cyclists use their bikes as a means of transportation.

[@danc1829]

@@BeyondLumination Cheap enough to get 2 sets imo just look on market place now R5 shimano wheelsets and giant PR2s along with many others for under £100 new and some even come with tyres aswel 😂 Well cheaper than swapping to a disc bike surly 🤷‍♂️ or even maintaining discs.... Most discs will definitely wear to 1.5mm (the minimum wear) over 12 months, just most cyclists don't check them. The pads are way cheaper than disc pads, as are cables instead of buying bleed kits and fulid 👍

[@UenoLocker54]

@@twatts4436 Mine can still lock a wheel when wet and that's the only scary part about getting caught in rain for me is sliding out.

[@slowcyclist4324]

If a person was to take the trouble to ride outdoors, why would they want to use anything but their best set of wheels even if it was on crappy weather? Isn’t the fact that you have a braking system that is heavily weather dependent to perform decently indicative that it’s a defective system? Imagine if your car manufacturer asked you to stop or avoid driving because “it’s raining or snowing”. You’d throw the car back to the manufacturer. The mental gymnastics you rim brake cyclists put yourselves through just to stick to a defective system is frankly nothing short of astounding.

[@peterbaskind9872]

Perhaps the most important tip: Clean your discs frequently. Whenever I adjust tire pressure, I’ll clean the rotors with isopropyl alcohol. It just takes a couple of minutes. It’s amazing the amount of muck that comes off what appears to be a clean rotor.

[@darrenbarlow5759]

Newbie here. So just isopropyl alcohol on a cloth and wipe both sides? Thanks

[@peterbaskind9872]

@@darrenbarlow5759 Pretty much. Once you have done it a time or two, you’ll known where the muck will be. It’s pretty straightforward.

[@n22pdf]

Agree cleaning regularly is key 👍👍

[@DaveCM]

@@darrenbarlow5759 a microfiber towel seems to work best for me.

[@darrenbarlow5759]

@@DaveCM good to know. My gravel bike rotors must be covered in muck

[@pavanatanaya]

I use a 3M 2" sanding disc on the rotors to cross scuff. It removes the glassiness from the rotor without removing material

[@alfiefranklin7831]

Excellent video, thank you..

[@Ridewithjst]

This makes me happy to still be using a rim brake bike from 2016. I rode a modern disc bike in Mallorca (SRAM Red) and while I appreciated the discs on steep, technical downhill, I also didn’t have to do any maintenance or remove/reseat the front wheel for throwing it in the car…

[@kellrockets101]

I don't have to do either of those things either when putting my disc bike in my car. what's your point?

[@brendonnoble5227]

Rim brakes require so much more maintenance than disc brakes. True it may require a bleed and rotor change about once every 4000km but that is about it.

[@SurpriseMeJT]

Yep, as soon as you take off the wheel and re-install the wheel, the probability of a disc pad rub is very high.

[@kellrockets101]

@@SurpriseMeJT yea haven't had that issues in years. so not in my experience or probability.

[@DR_1_1]

@@brendonnoble5227 So the main difference is that rim brakes require no bleed, no bed-in, and are easier and cheaper to replace than rotors.

[@stevensantana8049]

OMG why go through all these complications with disc brakes.. I'm sticking to rim breaks no matter what less complications less maintenance

[@stephencarr9342]

Did your rim brakes break? Or did you break your brakes ? 😅

[@stevensantana8049]

@@stephencarr9342 actually no.. I replace it every 5 to 7 years using aluminum wheels never use carbon fiber Wheels .. I live in Florida a flat terrain.. disc breaks however are replace every 6 months to a year if they're not contaminated

[@MrIsaac-dh3uh]

First - Nice Ti bike in the background! Is that a Moots? Second - I've kept my rim brake race bike just for traveling because I don't always want to use my SUV or Thule rack. I just pop off the tires and seat post and it fits in the trunk just fine. I hate begging my wife for the SUV to go on trips with my disc brake bikes. This video gives me courage to take off my disc wheels and put the bike in the trunk. Wish me luck!

[@davidarthur]

It is indeed a Moots, their new CRD

[@treyquattro]

what could possibly be in the embargo box?! Not an entire bike it would seem (is that a Moots behind you?)

[@lafamillecarrington]

Maybe its because I have a cheap bike, but my rotors are too soft to use metallic pads. They still last longer than rim brake pads and are easier to service.

[@yonglingng5640]

Some rotors just can't be used with metallic pads.

[@archetypex65]

Cheap rotors are for organic pads only. Upgrade your rotors. Magura Storm, Galfer Wave, Shimano ICE.

[@lafamillecarrington]

@@archetypex65 They have always worked fine for me - why would I go to the expense of changing them?

[@MichaelRideout]

Dave, is that the new Moots Vamoots CRD?

[@davidarthur]

Yes is it!

[@jsasa5668]

@@davidarthur It's gorgeous. I probably like it even better than the Alchemy Atlast Titanium, which is already gorgeous with what seems "leaner" front end (head tube/headset and fork).

[@stancobon6399]

Recently received a new gravel bike from Ribble (front wheel removed for transport) and they “donated” me a piece of cardboard to prevent the disc pads popping out! 🤔

[@newoldsteel]

I have both aaaand if I can lock up the back wheel and endo the front, either is fine by me

[@enigma1000]

If all else fails, read the instructions. Shimano disc brakes have instructions for bedding in.

[@jonatanmorszner5087]

i never bothered with bedding in just always take my first ride on a new bike or set of discs and brakepads easy and it gets done when im riding. No point going out the way just to bed in.

[@wtfvids3472]

@@jonatanmorszner5087 i dont get it either. what is the concept here...

[@DR_1_1]

@@wtfvids3472 I think the surface of the rotor becomes harder with the heat and regular compression. On the other hand if you brake and stop suddenly with new rotors/pads, it could create long term irregularities on the softer surface.

[@jonathanrobinson2628]

Disc brakes just aren't necessary on road bikes for 95% of people. They are fiddly, attention demanding and difficult to fine tune on the fly. My gravel bike and my winter bike are on discs, and I'd never voluntarily choose them again. My two summer bikes on rim brakes stop me perfectly whenever I need it (I'm 6ft 8", 105kg) and I never need to think about the sodding discs rubbing.

[@SnootchieBootchies27]

So... you haven't been able to figure it out, that doesn't mean it's difficult or fiddly. Just means you haven't figured it out. It is the exact same concept as rim brakes. A clamp on a rotating surface. If you're constantly having to adjust disc brakes, you've either got really crappy ones, or you are never getting them set right to begin with.

[@jonathanrobinson2628]

@@SnootchieBootchies27 I have Tiagra hydraulic brakes. I repaired a puncture at roadside in the dark the other night. On putting the wheel back in, it would not sit 100% true so rubbed all the way home. It then took some time on the bike stand to sort it out. I used to calibrate sawmills as part of my work. I know what I'm doing, and disc brakes are unnecessary for 95% of road bike users. I'd take the total simplicity of rim brakes any day

[@SnootchieBootchies27]

@@jonathanrobinson2628 fair enough if they don't work for you. Ive run all kinds of discs including mechanicals and getting a flat has never put them out. What kind of axles do you have? To me it sounds like your wheel wasn't properly in, either before or after the puncture.

[@jonathanrobinson2628]

@@SnootchieBootchies27 Just QR skewers. I realise through axles would be better, but my bike doesn't have them. It is very tough to make sure your rear wheel is in perfectly when changing it in the pitch dark in the middle of the forest! Especially with mudguards to contend with. Here in Sweden, I honestly almost never brake. Once every 30-40km. High powered brakes are pointless. I don't think I'll ever get through a pair of brake pads here.

[@SnootchieBootchies27]

@@jonathanrobinson2628 if you're wheel isn't in right, you'll have the same issues with rim brakes...

[@5891jonathan]

Been using disc brakes on my mountain bikes for years. They work great on the road too. Road bikers are Luddites.

[@slowcyclist4324]

@@petetube99 nah, gotta say that as a rider who started on a mtb 2 decades ago, but also does road cycling occasionally, I agree that disc brakes are awesome. You road cyclists are just dinosaurs who wouldn’t accept changes even if it hit you in the face like a set of slow brakes.

[@dysonlu]

@@slowcyclist4324 Yup, those are the same folks who used to believe very slim tires inflated at extremely high PSI were faster too. Very conservative bunch.

[@archetypex65]

@@petetube99 🤣🤣🤣 Maybe lose a half pound..."heavy" LMFAO!

[@christopherhawkins5680]

Disc brakes save my life a few times a year I am soooooo blessed to have my sram force brakes

[@johnbanks2225]

David, would you please review the Time Scyon bicycle?

[@davidarthur]

I can try and get my hand on one John

[@HamRadio200]

I'm still waiting for "The Worst Thing About Disc Brakes #2"

[@zeemon9623]

I was thinking the same thing but judging from the contents of this video the worst thing might be that an amount of both knowledge and setup is required for optimal performance.

[@discbrakefan]

Disc brakes are great. There's a bit of a learning curve, but they are reliable and perform well. The biggest issue, in my opinion, is the speed of wear of the pads. If you're riding big volumes and doing much descending, they disappear fast.

[@archetypex65]

Swap out the organic pads, which wear fast. Ceramic or kevlar pads wear longer.

[@michaelsigismonde7958]

Rim brakes are infinitely better. Changing brake pads takes a minute or two, unlike those stupid disc brakes!

[@Revit7]

My 2022 giant front fork shudders when breaking downhill over rough tarmac. Very unnerving. What could that be?

[@danc1829]

loose headset?

[@Revit7]

@@danc1829 I checked the headset a few times, seems that would be the problem but I don’t think that is it. It only happens when hard braking on bumpy asphalt des Decent.

[@rabidsminions2079]

My 3 bikes are rim brake bikes. My road bike is from 2010, another is a 2019 hybrid bike with front suspension and the last one is a 1992 Klein road bike that is a work on process. I have no desire for disc brake bikes.

[@dysonlu]

So why are you here? Insecure about people doing differently?

[@SurpriseMeJT]

I too miss the feel of cantilever or v-brakes off-road. the weight balance was very noticeable to me during my swap to discs on mountain bikes. I didn't feel it was a huge advantage most of the time, either unless I was on an actual mountain, which is quite rare.

[@kevinmaassen7331]

Bedding in as first trail down-hill? I’m Not sure if that is a good idea

[@aRlyWeakCyclist]

What's that in the embargo box next to you m8? Very sneaky of you.

[@hayabusa27]

The best thing about disc brake is you won't have to replace your carbon wheel every two years 🙂

[@danc1829]

Just use cheap alloy training wheels in winter 🤷‍♂️ way cheaper than buying rotors every time they wear down to 1.5mm. If you're having to replace carbon wheels every 2 years you're doing something very very wrong... I've often worked on carbon wheels that are way over 6 years old and show hardly any brake wear... Often the bearings, hub or spokes will fail long before a rim if used correctly.

[@dysonlu]

@@petetube99 Keep the rims and pads clean. So you have to do maintenance after all? Isn't it funny that the rim brake defenders would use the maintenance argument against disc brakes. Also, it's impractical and unrealistic to keep rims and pads clean during rides.

[@nellyx1x493]

Just retired yesterday a ten year old set of 1st gen carbon clinchers, 30k Miles + on them - hilly terrain use, there's still plenty of life left in the brake track. Never had to do any maintenance on them either, only once changed the pads. My disc brake bikes are 5 times the hassle...

[@dysonlu]

@@nellyx1x493 I've done 40K miles on disc brake. No hassle. And my wheels will last practically forever since they are essentially subject to zero wear.

[@JohnnySantoDomingo]

I spy a new Moots with internal routing 😮

[@karlkrieg858]

I don’t get it, they want freehub that parking noise lourd as f… but then can’t deal with some disk sound ? 😂

[@rosscads]

Is there a way of properly truing a warped rotor, other than simple lever tools like the Park Tool DT-2?

[@archetypex65]

Yes, take it to a race moto shop. WIll cost infinitely more than a new rotor though...

[@garrettturbett593]

Your hands can’t transfer contaminants… because all the road oil etc isn’t.

[@boosttee]

Is that an CRD in the background?

[@user-d32658]

Rim brakes are the best: lighter, easier maintenance, cheaper, better looking.

[@archetypex65]

🤣

[@SurpriseMeJT]

@@archetypex65 There will be a day when you have a leaky piston or a system with bubbles that simply won't go away with any kind of bleed and a few hours later you decide to order one online because you realize that the piston was leaking overnight. You can't ride your bike so you ride your rim brake one or borrow someone else's rim brake bike. You wonder why you spent so many hours trying to get this "trouble free" system to work and how rim brakes do the job and are so much simpler.

[@Aureas133]

I solved the squealing and poor performance by selling the crap that SRAM produces and buying a R8170 groupset. JFC the difference in not only braking but shifting is night and day.

[@jamble7k]

the worst thing about disk brakes is leaky shimano pistons, basically have to warranty them as they don't sell seal kits

[@archetypex65]

Pistons need maintenance. They need to cleaned and lubricated.

[@SurpriseMeJT]

@@archetypex65 there goes the myth that disc brake systems have lower maintenance.

[@rayangelopalad6205]

00:25 David : do not touch you disc brake rotors David : proceeds to touch them 😅

[@spishco]

Brake parts cleaner spray is a must-have in the shop.

[@archetypex65]

No, forgo the brake cleaner. I can destroy the Nitrile rubber, known as Buna-N or NBR. Use 90% isopropyl alcohol.

[@DR_1_1]

@@archetypex65 Cheap wood alcohol is a must for most cleaning tasks.

[@TrickyTree84]

Where is DurainRider 🤣

[@DR_1_1]

Chiang Mai?

[@litchips]

It would be cool if they made the disc rotor part of the rim. I think then we could save weight in hub and fork and use lower friction but less noisy rubbery pads. Hopefully someone is working on it.

[@asams7255]

And they could make these lighter by using a cable instead of hydraulic lines.

[@LittleBU96]

@@asams7255 but it wont be as affective. I am using cable disc brakes and they are not as good as semi hydraulic or full and not as soft. I also doesnt brake as well.

[@dysonlu]

Years from now, people looking back will joke how silly it was to brake by squeezing the rim itself instead of squeezing a disposable component like a rotor.

[@litchips]

@@dysonlu Maybe for carbon rims. Alloy rims wear very little if pads are clean and can go tens of thousands of miles before wearing out. You'll go through a lot of rotors at higher cost.

[@dysonlu]

@@litchips Are you kidding? Brake rotors last practically forever -- some sources state anywhere betwen 30k and 70k miles. A Dura Ace rotor costs about $100, often less. ANY wear on the rim itself is not a good thing, especially for nice and expensive carbon ones.

[@lancehenninger6954]

Rim brakes remind me of drum brakes with cars. Disc brakes came along making them obsolete thankfully no one is obsessed over drums saying they are much better

[@danc1829]

The reason disc brakes exist on cars is poor braking on drum brakes due to heat.... its the opposite on bicycles a 622mm rotor (a rim) and deal with the heat a load better than a smaller 160mm disc rotor 🤦‍♂️

[@archetypex65]

@@danc1829 LMFAO! False. Another myth that is perpetuated that is fully debunked. Educate yourself on thermodynamics and physics buddy.

[@danc1829]

@@archetypex65 an alloy disc rotor and alloy rim are made from the same material .. A alloy rim has a much larger surface area therefore can cope with heat better as there is a larger area for the heat to disburse over... Its pretty simple.... Hence why a disc rotor needs cooling fins and holes in the rotor to help get rid of the heat faster.... The same reason a motor vehicle will run larger discs to avoid brake fade 👍

[@rider65]

@@danc1829 Oh boy! Seriously lacking an understanding of physics. Try "Physics for Dummies" Wiley Pub.

[@danc1829]

@@rider65 yawn

[@branislavtrninic4505]

Rims forever, why change something that works perfectly

[@glennoc8585]

I love my disc Road bike and lo7m see all

[@jasonhood1551]

Rim brakes rock

[@SurpriseMeJT]

shhh.. let the lemmings believe what they want. It means great deals on rim brake wheels.

[@michaelsigismonde7958]

Disc brakes are highly overrated.

[@SeeYouUpTheRoad]

@Dan c - you stated the problem at the beginning. When people say to me Disc brakes are better - I ask better than what? The issue is carbon rim brake wheels suck in the wet so they falsely equate rim brakes suck. NO it’s people riding carbon wheels - dry or wet is dumb. Alloy wheels and rim brakes stop significantly better than Disc brake less hassle less money and it’s a more elegant solution. Period.

[@slowcyclist4324]

If that was true, you’d see mtb and downhill cyclists on rim brakes. But you don’t. Why? Because rim brakes provide pathetically poor amount of brake control. When cycling (eg when sending it downhill while chasing the person in front) you want to be able to jam the brakes as hard as possible at the last possible moment while still staying just before the point the wheels lock. You can do that on a disc brake, altho you can’t say the same for a rim brake. With the brake modulation disc brakes offers, you can take the more aggressive lines or brake later than what you ever could on a rim brake.

[@danc1829]

@@slowcyclist4324 the reason u don't see mtb users on rim is simple brake track wear would be terrible with all the crap u ride through, let alone you'd never get a caplier under the tyres they now use. I also have an MTB and I'd take discs any day on an MTB over rim brakes.... Road is totally different to MTB you also have to remember the MTB system is totally different.... 4 pot capliers..... much bigger rotors..... No STI shifters like on road bikes meaning much larger master cylinder in the lever... Also MTB and road are totally different much faster speeds in road with much tighter tollanaces a perfect example is you only need to ride through some standing water on road bike and you'll often hear the rub.... you won't hear this on Mtb however as the pads can be much further away due to a bigger master cylinder therefore able to move more fulid than on a road STI lever... I'm not a disc hater I ride a disc MTB, I use to ride a disc trials bike aswel... but on a road bike if u need a hydro disc to control a 25mm or 28mm tyre imo you need to brush up on handling skills. I'm not saying discs are even bad but there in no way an upgrade like the media 'funny enough' will have you believe... End of the day I'm making more money now thanks to disc brakes with the endless bikes coming to me with issues 🤦‍♂️ But if people believe there better its madness... I mean what about Egan Bernal in the 2021 giro d'italia who use rim brakes and pulled away from everyone on the wettest day using rim brakes 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️ if rim brakes where that bad surly he'd of been at a huge disadvantage with how wet it was 🤷‍♂️

[@krissimons1339]

I have two bikes, one with rim brakes and alloy wheels and the other with disc brakes (also has alloy wheels), the disc brakes are more responsive and have better feel than the rim brakes, at least in my experience.

[@johnlewsey4458]

Rim brakes are crap though.

[@harryrowland4734]

Rim brakes have been absolutely fine for over a century, I do like disc brake bikes, because the bike is easier to clean after a filthy ride and tyre clearance is better. But I won't be selling my rim brake bikes anytime soon.

[@neilfox9540]

As long as they stop me before the junction I'm pretty happy.

[@MrFrescocotone]

Top bad it's become almost impossible to find new bikes without disk brakes 😑

[@simonpowell2559]

I have just bought a new/second hand mbt. With discs. (The old one was rims) the only difference is the discs screech and squeel.

[@timtaylor9590]

is it that serious to have a little bit of oil on the rotors? i have oil and wax on my rim tracks and it doesnt keep me from stopping or locking them up

[@archetypex65]

Wears the pads MUCH quicker. Lessens the power potential of friction and dissipation of the kinetic energy.

[@timtaylor9590]

@@archetypex65 interesting doesnt seem to effect my brakes. oil on a drill bit helps it last longer

[@andreemurray7039]

Stick to rim brakes

[@MegaPhill93]

nope, i ride in all terrain and condition

[@5891jonathan]

Stick to cottered cranks and 5-speed cog. 😂

[@newoldsteel]

Agreed

[@hubchicago6961]

I went disc and haven’t looked back. It take’s all the hassle out of dealing with rim breaks on situations.

[@hubchicago6961]

@@petetube99 yes hassle. For what I do, it limits tire size amongst other things. I have ruined rubber casing because of rim breaks do to punctures.

[@kamael1125]

Benefits of discs do not outweight the issues, maintenance they bring. I have hydraulic discs. My girlfriend has rim brakes. Any issue on rim brakes takes max 5 min to fix with 2 allen keys max. Discs....fuuuuuuuuck me sideways.

[@archetypex65]

Right! Why challenge yourself mechanically and mentally? Seems silly! Isn't there an app for that? I mean instant gratification! Come on old man. Work? That's for suckers! 🤣🙄

[@kamael1125]

@@archetypex65 ROTFL Going by your logic: Why are you not clipping your toenails while doing a headstand on a roof of a moving car? Challenge yourself man! I mean instant gratification! Work? That's for suckers! Definition of good engineering assumes functionality and ease of use and maintenance. I see you are into MTB. And I have to agree, discs are a necessity in MTB. I am into Road Cycling and there is plenty of evidence showing that disc benefits are not big enough in that discipline to outweigh the pain of maintenance.

[@beholderlt]

well known hack: get shimano

[@richardburns5925]

You want discs on the mountain bike and rim brakes on the road bike. My Ultegra rim brakes stop on a sixpence on both road bikes. Not as good as disc in the wet? Who cares, who rides a road bike in the winter or in a washout summer? Road biking is a summer hobby, in decent weather. Long summer evening rides. Soon as winter and the rain comes, road bike goes away, out comes the mountain bike for on and off cycle paths, Trans Pennine trail etc. I don't want to road bike in winter, poor visibility in traffic, slippery road surfaces and water, mud etc, no thanks, that's what the MTB is for.

[@KoreaRides]

Disc brakes in my opinion just suck! Had so much hassle with rubbing, squealing and incompatibility issues on my gravel and mtb bikes that I’ve determined to NEVER buy a Road bike with discs, especially when my rim brakes are flawless! The best disc brakes I’ve used are TRP mechanical with ice tech rotors. Hydraulic disc are overhyped.

[@MrJofArnold]

The best discs are the cheap Shimano steel ones. The Ultrgra and Dura Ace aluminium ones absolute suck; they get bent to easily and warp at high temperature. So maybe that's partly your problem?

[@danc1829]

Agreed problem is the general public think what KZbin state is 100% but 4get people like David (on offence) GCN etc can't really say anything bad about a product reguardless.... Their income literally relys on brands sending them stuff to test.... U slag a product off u won't be sent another... I'm not a fan of disc road bikes but have to sell them reguardless I'd be out of a job otherwise

[@KoreaRides]

@@MrJofArnold I don’t buy such expensive rotors tbh.

[@archetypex65]

Probably because you're uninformed, not mechanically inclined and short on patience.

[@KoreaRides]

@@archetypex65 not another toxic know it all dork!

[@XCRiders]

Resin is easy on ear’s and teeth too 😂 Rotor’s live long time

[@archetypex65]

Ceramic pads

[@SeeYouUpTheRoad]

But doesn’t it strike you as odd the disc brakes are so awesome but videos like this have to be made? Come on people rim brakes are better in every single way on road bikes!

[@dysonlu]

What a silly argument. There are videos made for all kinds of cycling things. Does that mean none of those things is "awesome"?

[@SurpriseMeJT]

If disc brakes were so simple and trouble free, we wouldn't need so many "tips and tricks"!

[@SeeYouUpTheRoad]

@@SurpriseMeJT That is it right there. If they were so awesome we wouldn't need all these silly videos. So much faffing about with disc brakes. Rim brakes are so simple and no maintenance or upkeep AND guess what they BRAKE better as well.

[@dysonlu]

@@SeeYouUpTheRoad What's sillier is rim brakes defenders watching "silly" videos about disc brakes. Insecurity must be the reason.

[@SeeYouUpTheRoad]

@@dysonlu incorrect assumption silly boy 😂 I watch these videos so I can make reaction videos on my KZbin channel. I often get my best counter arguments from watching marketing channels like GCN, Cycling “News” and yes even David’s channel. So not only are you wrong about disc brakes being better you are also wrong in assuming I’m watching these videos out insecurity. Maybe you should be watching my channel where I dispel all these bike industry marketing myths.

[@SG-dg6oi]

I touch my breaks all the time after eating pizza! Who needs breaks! I want breakneck speed! They need to make a Pointbreak type movie about biking!

[@YuichiTamaki]

"Disc brakes are here to stay" like it or not. I don't get the anti disc crowd. Working on discs is so simple, is not that people don't have the ability to do it, it is just they are not willing to learn.

[@27bikebrothers27]

disc brakes NO thank you

[@cmarnold78]

All these wierdo luddite rim break people in the comments... have had disc breaks for over 20 years on mountain bikes. Got my first road bike this year of course with disc breaks. Can't imagine any possible reason people would not want them... in races amazed by how timid most riders were down hills, wet etc people were - then realised they didn't have disc breaks or breaks that were actually useful. Surprised these rim break people even know what KZbin is.....

[@danc1829]

answered your own question your first road bike is disc so have nothing to actually compare a road bike too.... Discs are great on MTB but it's totally different the brakes are both disc but totally different again MTB often 4 pot much bigger rotors with more cleance and not forgetting on MTB the speeds are a low slower... Comparing road to mtb is like when people in the comments compare rim brakes to drum brakes 😂 Limiting factor on a road bike is the tyre that's usually 25 to 28mm you don't need hydro discs to slow a tyre of that size on tarmac...

[@SeeYouUpTheRoad]

@@danc1829 excellent points!

[@SeeYouUpTheRoad]

Ok you ride your disc brake bike and I’ll ride my steel rim brake bike and see if you can even come close to following me down a very twisty mountain descent

[@cmarnold78]

True, but people complaining about disc breaks in comments on MTBs too... Every decent new road bike comes with discs now for a reason right?

[@danc1829]

@@cmarnold78 yep u have to buy a new bike... the way of business I guess

[@Thetoad738]

What a waste of time. If you can't stop safely on rim brakes, just get some practice in. Those of us who love the ride more than gadgets don't need disc brakes.

[@BlackyBrownDestruction9337]

Pads don’t have a warning indicator strip like car pads do when it’s low

[@archetypex65]

OMFG 🙄

[@labanda5847]

Disc brake are no go

[@Montrealcycling]

Is that is a gimmick to make more money… disc brake belong on mtb and gravel bike not on a ROAD BRAKE🤷🏼‍♂️

[@ashish_rajoba]

Embargo Box ?

[@XCRiders]

Best way to bed in brakes is go ride

[@jamiesabuda7757]

is it really that big of a deal to touch your disc break rotors? They must encounter so much car lubricant and gas spray when out riding that surely they are contaminated the moment you leave your home and it either rains or you go through a puddle.

[@maxdaman1000]

Stick to rim brakes