The Worst Tier 10 Tank! - Grille 15 • World of Tanks

[@MaxGamingFPS]

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[@TheVividProject]

In this tank once you're spotted, it's back to the garage.

[@hmmmmmm_3429]

and i am t8 on this same tech tree feel like a waste 😭😭

[@AM-hz3bi]

@@hmmmmmm_3429 why? T8 ist very good and the t9 shines....

[@hmmmmmm_3429]

@@AM-hz3bi i quit playing...

[@GewelReal]

​@@hmmmmmm_3429skill issue

[@hmmmmmm_3429]

@@GewelReal 😔damn

[@woodyamsterdam]

That pretty much sums up my recent experience with the Grille 15... The gun is way to trollish. One battle you can snap a light that's going at full speed at 300 meters distance and the next one you shoot down on the roof of a medium, fully aimed almost at point blank, and you bounce. And did I mention ghost shells? I really love the Waffenträger auf Pz. IV but having to turn your turret backwards most of the time to get your gun depression can be quite a hassle sometimes.

[@kuhluhOG]

Sometimes I have the feeling that WoT has a hidden value which decides the chance that the shells go into the middle of the aiming circle. WoWs has such a stat (sigma value), so I don't think it's too far fetched and would explain the behaviour of some guns.

[@guardian8319]

Wot does it’s called RNG and also when they made the accuracy changes they show how much worse it got on a target 🎯 with 100+ shots fired as examples

[@kuhluhOG]

@@guardian8319 I don't think you know what I meant.

[@rocus80m]

It does definitely and too many hidden values, some purple players described this shit in the forums - like when you sometimes play against red players and from 5 hits you pen only 1, its like fcking ridiculous... Same with players who pay more for the game, they have for sure some hidden values besides of the standard RNG. I used to love grille when it was released, but now I hit more with my IS3 or even with my FV4005 than with the stupid grille 15.

[@ekscalybur]

WoT does have sigma. Once in the long ago, they buffed it for all tanks because of massive complaints. The massive complaints quickly changed to people complaining about the frequency of KV2 snapshots obliterating everything. Circon used to troll in the KV2 with untrained S51 gunner in his KV2 still hitting shots, the gunner was sub 50% trained in the KV2.

[@emergencyfood3568]

My experience in the Grille 15: Sitting absolutely still and haven't fired with full camo crew and camo net active but get spotted by an invisible light tank 400+ meters away. Drill the side of the turret of the same BatChat 25t AP twice in a row and bounce both times from 300 meters away. Fire one shot and get immediately Swiss cheesed while crawling backwards by every medium tank in the match.

[@zeck8541]

There are literally so many tier 10 tanks worse than this. It’s actually a great tank, it simply has it’s own play style required to perform well. I have carried several games in mine.

[@K_LeShaeya]

the FV4005 is the only one I can think of as being worse than this. Tech Tree wise

[@jakey3041]

@@K_LeShaeya wz td , Foch, badger , fv

[@mortaldragon5541]

@@jakey3041badger is not bad but it need tactical citymaps or hulldown maps to work. Foch has its own gameplay style. Only tank who is worst that grille is fv and wz td

[@K_LeShaeya]

@@jakey3041 Only thing tragic about the WZ-113G FT is the shell velocity Foch can 1 clip a full health tier 10 Heavy tank Badger is the undisputed DPM king of tier 10 tank destroyers, and is relatively strong when placed on a ridgeline or hull down position, and it is only really going to fail when you play it badly! FV4005 is literally the only tank worse than the Grille 15

[@Honza_5]

Lol. I love FV.. Its way more stabile shooting thing that Grille.. And u cna oneshot so many tanks.

[@dumbplane3355]

I play the Grille 15 like a hit&run vehicle. I wait for the enemy to point their guns somewhere else, and preferably fire, then poke out, do my 750, get back into cover if there are teammates, but if I’m alone, I run to another teammate, restealth, and repeat

[@dumbplane3355]

It has this really weird play style, but once you know it, it can be a great tank to play.

[@mrg3874]

My Grille has 0.21 accuracy but I miss sooo many shots in that tank (aimed shots) or shells dropping right in front of the enemy

[@bobkowalski7655]

Set it up with the "experimental turbo" and play it as a hard hitting medium.

[@failp1ayer435]

14:57 playing Germany tank and have your right arm raise like that got me worried a bit there

[@MaxGamingFPS]

It's okay, it wasn't fully upright MonkaS

[@ivoryfoxmusic]

it’s not a useless tank. it’s an XP piñata for anything that has HE

[@ogord7157]

I used to think it was me. I honestly thought this was made in China. Fire 5 shots, miss 4. Lucky I don't have a swear box by the computer. You get the feeling that you wasted your time grinding it. Just unlock it to get the field mods on the tier 9!, and stay with that one

[@ogord7157]

@@lpanades i think they know they made a mistake, as we had the waffentrager event last October, and the FV215b 183 being sold recently

[@favorius]

For me rammer is optional but exhaust system is mandatory. I get closer to medium tank camo at least, so i do not get spotted and rekt instantly as often. It has worst penetration for a tier10 td and has worst bloom values for gun. Massive disappointment for end of a line.

[@nkzeta2315]

On the second game you shot 11 times and only penned 1 shot. This is the perfect example of an average Grille game. Gun is only accurate on paper.

[@rocus80m]

Exactly! I hit more with my FV 4005 than with this stupid shit tank

[@maonzedong7931]

I got the Waffenträger on E-100 a few weeks before it was removed and replaced with this. I played the Grille for a hundred games and sold it because the gun's trolling bs literally made my blood boil. I haven't hated many tanks with a passion like I did that one ever. Only the "buffed" Flipwagen is doing the same thing to me right now. I do 2-3k damage per game but the gun never hits a snapshot and I have it at a whopping 38% winrate because the MM decided that I can only get retard teams. And no I am not bad at LTs, got the Sheridan at 2,5k average damage per game and a winrate of 60%. So at least I know it isn't "just" a skill issue on my part.

[@ziginaigra]

at 2:26 u see this 2 trees to the left,knock them and u cant get spotted ,u can double bush than there+u can spot from there+u can shot left,right and mid,but dont knock 3rd tree(from left)

[@Kejody53]

the only good thing about this tank is that, somehow, it can absorb fv4005 hesh shells with its modules...at least that only applies to the enemies i fight when in fv

[@legion3408]

I've got the Grille and i play it very differently, the tier 9 was an actual sniper TD but this one is faster, i slapped a turbo for dodging and went aggro in the city everytime, i wait till heavies make mistake shoot 750 and continue hiding, it has the mobility to get itself out of those situatons if neccesary, and then you can go back into a sniping position WITH COVER because you shoot and go behind cover instantly even if you are not spotted, then you peek back a few seconds before you are reloaded and remember, always FULLY aim the shots, the Grille seems to be really inaccurate for me unless i fully aim.

[@l0x4gpt]

i could forgive the jagpizza if it misses something 200m away when im sniping in it. BUT NOT WHEN I SNIPE A STATIONARY TANK IN A GRILLE AND MISS EVEN 200M AWAY

[@treypelham5515]

WG needs to make the turret fully traversable, actual better accuracy, and better camo rating. Then it would be fine.

[@Karp_Dominion]

The friendly grille in the first game is why I don’t play td’s. Idiot teammates running into your tank, getting spotted, and then blocking your shots while you have to fight to use one of the 2 viable bushes on a map.

[@Diskko11]

That was awesome. Thank you for the video, literally made my night. Ive been having laughs at 4 am almost waking my house. Keep up the great work m8, love the reviews 😂😂

[@djuraster]

Not just the terrible platform, Grille`s gun should be amazing and its just average at best.

[@kokoeteantigha389]

I pass through this on practically everyday - and I mean everyday! And could anyone kindly explain why in every battle I play all first shots never pen. They will bounce, do a critical or plain miss no matter the range. I'm dead serious - EVERY first shot!!

[@ogord7157]

It just goes to show, the numbers mean nothing, try every tank, including the "crap" ones. You will find one that just works for you, then just stick with it

[@milos-7712]

I absolutely agree. This is the only TX tank i ever sold. The worst thing about it is the accuracy. The 0.2something is an outright lie. No doubt about it. I'm grinding my way through the e50 atm, and the 8.8kwk L100 is the meaning of accuracy, yet on paper it has worse accuracy. I'd rate the true grille accuracy to be about 0.41

[@agbrenv]

2:39 that's such a dumb thing to do, why would he push the tree in the direction where there already are bushes that give you camo???? and leave a giant gap, so you get spotted when heavies peak the ridge

[@Micky3TO]

Grille used to be good when it came out and I don't remember it being nerfed. It's another proof, that WG keeps tampering with RNG. I wich CC's and CC's would keep talking about this hidden tuning, because this a clear cheating by WG.

[@everythinggaming7938]

no it did get nerfed heavily accuracy and mobility

[@albazar]

Nice one, that griie 15 was my next one to get but not now. it's a tough one to play by the looks of it. cheers fella.

[@astheros24]

What i have seen , here , in your video , is a beautiful example of RNG . I like to play TDs , and please believe me , i know what i say.....What you experienced here , in 24 minutes , i have it on few hours playing . Its not fun, not to hit or pen your target , but , thats normal in wot today . At least in my case ......

[@jacky445]

I find it problematic with wt auf pz IV that it have bad gun depression an even slight hump in the ground will lift the gun into the sky.

[@aa1944-k2r]

borsig probably the best tier for tier on paper, since it has the 246 pen 128mm gun and you dont care if you are put into tier X game, the camo is also good. But the mobility is painful, also the gun is extremely inaccurate. It would either miss the target completely fully aimed with 80% of the tank in the aim circle, or it will fly to the toughest part of the front turret or to the tracks and do zero damage, i cannot count how many times my perfectly aimed shorts on unsuspecting enemy just goes nowhere and they who got ambushed by me fire back at me and take me out. Apart from the fake accuracy on paper, the damage is also extremely poor. The 490 average damage is only the surface value. I think there is hidden stats on the borsig for it to hit gun shield and bounce or hit tracks and do zero damage, because it happens all the time, the hidden stats also works on the damage, because you constantly low roll. It is normal for me to hit 2 non killing shots and record low 900 damage, i dont remember one time i deal more than 1K damage after hitting two shorts, it is always 900-950, because you are supposed to low roll in the gun. I can't stand these fake stats and the poor mobility means you cant do much at the end game, my win rate constantly going down, from some 50% to 45%, even i had 2 marks on the tank, so i moved on to tier 9.

[@Schmitz_]

are we not going to talk about how arty did 1100 to his grille and finished him off in one shot (wg nerf or get rid of gay arty

[@aarontankard2274]

First tier 10 line I grinded. I ended u selling the grille, and went back to the WT auf Pz.IV..

[@greener2497]

please review the fv4202, i have lost hope for that thing. I tried both vstab build and turbo build, neither could save the horrendous dpm, maybe you can do something about it

[@servusdedurantem]

no one can do anything about it u need to be super unicum to do well in it but thena gain if u can do good in it because u so good player then u can do even better in a better tank that tank is bad trade it

[@KingTheShepherd]

this tank is a 10/10 on the German accuracy scale. Fully aim and miss comrade

[@astheros24]

I am talking about Grille 15 . I use alot WT. and i love it .

[@copeland7225]

“Why does he have to yolo like that” I ask that every game on Na

[@lukethelen2909]

Grille 15 would be perfectly fine if the accuracy wasn't a complete and utter lie. WG may as well nerf the 'accuracy' and buff mobility, since we all know the G15 essentially has 0.36 accuracy, no matter what equipment you're using.

[@rocus80m]

Id rather say around 0.4

[@georgekn3mp]

This is why I don't think I will upgrade to Grille from the WT IV. I have the E-25 and Ferdinand along with the WT 4 and even the Ferdi is more fun than the Grille 😁 if I want to use other glass cannon TD's I have Su-130pm, K-91-PT, Su101 and Shrek or even ISU-152 for the meme derps vs struggling to hit anything in the Grille 15.... It looks like 2.2 dispersion not .22 lol

[@ragesparten1]

This is by far the best video you've uploaded Mate 🤣🤣

[@Al-Basha_]

it is really not good

[@V1C1OUZ]

I still liked the Grille 15, but only because it's an iconic tank for me, performance wise yeah i think it's worse than it's counterparts in lower tiers especially that "stiff neck" Grille 15 has lol.

[@jackmasterpunk8350]

as bad as this tank is, it sounds great when you shoot

[@rogerbartlet5720]

I ditched mine because I was bored with it.

[@MrMichaelh]

Why play this when you can the jagdpz e100? 1100 alpha, most pen, and a brawler.

[@mkzhero]

In Russian many people call it the 'gnyil' instead (rot/rotten) lol But yeah, no idea what they where thinking with this thing

[@IAmJadedJM]

I'm still really glad I sold this crap for my second tierX, the UDES15/16, a beast. I'm a broke casual and I REGRET having Grille15 as my first tierX. I'm a 2nd MoE grinder for all tanks, and oh boii this crap stressed the soul out of me even when reaching 75%MoE, selling was my best option. I just can't fathom the idea of downgrading the play mechanics of the whole line (high camo, bursty, mobile) IN THE TIER X. Stupid sniper with an assault medium camo. All those opportunistic spots from Waffletractor in every map? You now can't use over half of it. They really hit this with the nerf bat real bad long ago. Still want a sniper TD? Just play Strv line.

[@stalehelvik6316]

Thx for the advice

[@everythinggaming7938]

I used to hate the grille but I love it now averaging 4k over 200 battles but gold only, standard shells it is trash

[@K_LeShaeya]

The only tier X that's worse than this vehicle, is the FV4005. But yes the general consensus, on both the EU and NA communities is that the Grille 15 is just so bad.

[@descartes2404]

Funfact: Grille 15 have worse camo than Ho-Ri 3

[@samuelbailey8126]

To be fair, the Grille's gun behaved for you in the first game, you just had a terrible team

[@lightdarthvader777]

Grille 15 is an average TD if you learn how to shoot target in radio range not vision range LOL. Of course, you will need to make its dispersion to 0.21 or 0.22.

[@psour33]

The stealth of the Grille is just awfull, when you shoot, 29 players see where you are.

[@carnagevnp2979]

It's funny coz 1 of the best player in wot on eu, skilLTU swears by this tank and he makes it work so well. As do myself it works great for me

[@wotbot7013]

How can i make my 6th sense last for 10s like yours? 😮

[@georgesimon2730]

aslain mods

[@rocus80m]

Fun part when even E100 has a better gun than grille 15 xD

[@descartes2404]

I sold mine, and never look back at it. I have more fun in object 268 than this. Slower shell velocity, no turret and yet I still prefer it than this trash

[@tomskyler1109]

man said all that needed to be said

[@kiky2232]

Grille do not belong in that tree line just like death star in british line. Both tanks are very diferent than the rest of the line.

[@camrenwick]

Thanks for the warning

[@BodyGuardOfLies1]

It's a td so why not run a camo net?

[@serlGlent]

why to use camo net on any tank if the camo goes off when u shoot . If u don`t shoot u are not spotted if u are stationary, better to use many other helpfull stuff instead of camo net

[@Mem-g2z]

Personally I love the Grille 15, i never had bad experiences with it, like shells going god knows where while fully aimed, also aced it like 3 times allready. It‘s definitely my favorite Sniper TD in WoT, for me it just works out you know. The only thing that bothers me is that when you go up from WT auf pz IV to grille, you suddenly have heat instead of apcr but whatever.

[@bartoszkierozalski2154]

I have grile15, but i didn't exp or bought it :)

[@dirtmonkey19]

I’m in the same boat. I want the grille to be good but the gun is just trash

[@serlGlent]

U play wrong the Grille , after u learn how this tank works , and specially the gun how it works , this tank is a carry tank , by the way don`t ever use turbo in a tank if u just camp with it entire battle , and Grille don`t need turbo even if u play like a medium

[@dirufanboy1971]

Weird - iyouxin raves about this tank and is haing huge games with it.

[@georgesimon2730]

not everyone is iyouxin

[@romusmoviesctc9764]

Like this aim td

[@constantinmogos]

Good to know. I’m at tier 8, I’ll stop at 9 😁 cheers! 👍

[@DrAJ-vt9uq]

I think grille 15 worth trying if you know how to make it work, consider that it's play style is different from other sniper tds.

[@ambientlight3876]

I actually stopped at tier 8...

[@samuelbailey8126]

While I agree that the WT Auf Pz IV is better tier for tier, I just don't have the problem of missing everything with the Grille. It feels laser- accurate to me and I just love pixel sniping weakspots for 750 damage from the redline. Not sure what it is because I watch peoples replays where the miss several fully aimed shots in a row, but my grille just doesn't do that for some reason

[@skydonkey245]

Grille 15 aint the worst tier X but definitely has a troll gun that 1000 % for sure.... its also crap for snipping.

[@skydonkey245]

update oh finished watching the vid and I felt your pain. I've definitely had rounds like that too.

[@kazikklocek3638]

For me one of the best.

[@totalrandom130]

Love ur expressions...

[@wulfthofengaming457]

i enjoy the tank alot not sure why you get so many non pen shots i never get that many in a game.

[@srenpedersen5029]

I also like it. And I have some good games with it.

[@Derp_Skilz]

If you look at the second game. He does not fully aim and he takes chancy shots.

[@DustinSilva]

I haaaaaaaaaated the St. Emil; omgosh that thing is soo hard to play!!!!

[@ammarfv6366]

Anything

[@agoatwithnonamd]

Honestly in many situations you just played the tank terribly. You get hit but you dont use your 750 alpha to trade. You take pixel shots, miss them and 2 seconds later the full enemy tank is exposed even though you got a long reload. You often stood around in the open with the tank. It definitely isnt one of the greats, but i think your main issue is that it just didnt fit your playstyle. Instead of looking for improvements you could make in gameplay, you just complained about the tank.

[@s4wrs]

So you wouldn't recommend the Grille15 then Max 😅

[@SteffenAgermannChristiansen]

M3 Lee is Worse

[@fomalhaut9]

Noice

[@sillysausage4549]

Nas-horn. Not Na-shorn.

[@PlanFloor-b4k]

This tank like Panther 8.8 just like a shxt tank

[@alucard8479]

Bro is such a crybaby

[@ahmedhisham1230]

you're right - it is a piece of shit tank

[@EbroGame64]

How dare you insult the grill. Deeply offended. But people have there opinions so whatever ig. For best acc in the game I did not expect you to say its the worst ever

[@3rdPrince]

This is the reason I stopped playing wot. Cause or this tank.

[@neeld.5522]

I'm really glad KZbin recommended this old video only a week after I subscribed to this channel. Shows that I can't trust you to provide accurate information about game content. Unsubscribed.

[@ScottGenX]

why do you say one point five for say 1,507. This number is not point anything. Skill says that shit also. that's to bad someone ruined some of his english.

[@renis6528]

Rng tbh

[@CCXJack]

Do you take tank requests? Well, in case of "yes", I'd like seeing you playing the SU-122-44, The Soviet Tier 7 Tank Destroyer, it's pretty neat.

[@juleshand4164]

I love the grille 15

[@stalehelvik6316]

😂

[@Skerrry]

I recommend watching a good player play this tank. Iyouxin marked this recently and the tank is pretty damn good.

[@santenz8460]

Any good player makes any tank good, the tank is BAD and should not be grinded for

[@Skerrry]

@@santenz8460 Thats not true. Every tank benefits from a good player a different amount. Some tanks are just garbage and Grille 15 is not one of them. Even good players can tell that there are some tanks that even their skills don't make good.

[@santenz8460]

@@Skerrry tell me a tier 10 tank that worse than grille? Collector tanks are not included. Can't think of anything else than Rino, but that thing slaps

[@Skerrry]

@@santenz8460 I recommend checking out skill4ltu's index page. I mostly agree with his ratings as the majority of good players would. There are plenty of tanks worse than the Grille 15.

[@Skerrry]

@@lpanades Not really. He is performing very well in the Grille 15. It is a pretty strong tank and with experimental equipment it becomes even better.

[@MatejVelican]

Honestly, I hate this tank. It is NOT 0.24 accurate as it says, it is a fake imaginary number! Yuck! Also it misses 360° turret, and actual speed... Tier 9 Wt auf was the highlight of the entire branch! Fully traversible turret, and evem tho it is slower - at least it hits the spot

[@Cuda_Jr]

a little whiny, but i feel ya'. 😂

[@themarcus1993]

In the second game your shots were awful. Not the tanks fault imo

[@simoko7076]

he also played it like a useless bush camper and like 90% of grille players forgot it can go at 60 km/h. become an enlightened grille player and use its mobility.

[@furtun4238]

That is true.. really bad aim to be honest