The Worst Tier List I Have Ever Seen - Darkest Dungeon

[@ShuffleFM]

www.thegamer.com/darkest-dungeon-classes-ranked/

[@Destroyer2150]

JoUrNaLiSm

[@PrivateDaisy]

Like really people say Shadow attack is bad? Everybody who played Grave Robber saw how much damage it can do (+ crits). Of course i mean with Jump

[@tylerdeath3759]

Im newer to the game having got it a month back and my team is shieldbreaker/helion in 1 position leper/flagelent in 2 position abom/highwayman/graverobber in 3 position and vestal/occultist/muskiter/arbolist in 4th depending on lvl and length of the dungeon... I typicly use damage trinkets not many acc ones tho do to the fact that most classes can fix there short comings in the dungeon aka lepper with his self bufd attacks and aquarian can give all party members some dodge and even that fact alone makes her somewhat usefull

[@tylerdeath3759]

Flagelent with the extra rare flagelent only coller trincket and marters seal...ive had him solo bosses and survive getting hit half a dozen times and dodging another half with 0 health...

[@tylerdeath3759]

@Soul of Cinder i play on ps4 and i have shitty internet :)

[@illydandomanbrando]

"Jester is a bit complicated to use." *Battle Ballad* *Battle Ballad* *Battle Ballad*

[@marmotank]

well he does need to stress heal every now and then

[@Luiz997488]

@@marmotank Not if you kill the backrow in 1 turn

[@IEatYourSandwiches]

dirk stab dirk stab finale repeat

[@ehoffart529]

It's really funny, my friend introduced me to DD like 3 years ago and was saying how hard it was to use Jester. When I went into The Farmstead for the first time I was like "whats so hard about Jester? I just sit there and play music."

[@nubbe8986]

*Battle ballad* *Battle ballad* *Inspiring tune (Optional)* *Solo* *Finale*

[@VagineerHuur]

"Highwayman falls off, replace him later" Funniest shit i've ever seen

[@greeneyedwolfen9866]

No one does not simply replace the glass cannon. The Plague Doctors combat vapours ability on the Highwayman is still god-like.

[@RichtofenE115]

Replacing the Highwayman is like deciding to cut your steak with paper rather than a bowie knife

[@SomeoneStoleMyHandle911]

"Replace him later" Me: sure I'll just replace my arms and legs with paper and glass 😑🙃

[@Longknife]

Yeah replace him after you've beaten the game, he's pretty useless when you don't have to fight anything anymore.

[@somebodyalive6131]

I thought the highwayman had low DPS… God was I wrong, now I always slap on Point Blank Shot and Duelists Advance and have a Greek God with a Glock

[@stefanoribaudo5738]

This guy probably was like: oh you get crusader and highwayman at the start of the game? They must be pretty awful

[@angelman906]

Yeah, Highwayman carries me.

[@jacobhoover1654]

Author put PD & Vestal in top 4, so that's not a valid complaint.

[@GambledMyhouse]

@@jacobhoover1654 It's a journalist they never make valid complaints

[@jacobhoover1654]

@@GambledMyhouse I said the OP didn't make a valid complaint, not the journalist.

[@GambledMyhouse]

@@jacobhoover1654 Then you are wrong

[@Mitoru.]

Of course Grave Robber is a stress healer. If you crit with lunge you sometimes stress heal your party members DUH.

[@artemisfoul1487]

Gallow's humour + Ancestor's Scroll = imba stress heal OMEGALUL

[@williamwright4813]

@@artemisfoul1487 Unless you're me and get the +25 Stress on all 3 allies...

[@Kalder44]

>Implying she doesn't crit 7/10 hits Seriously though, I've assembled teams over the "crit to feel better" theme, feels good when you pull it off, just stock on every consumable possible please.

[@IEatYourSandwiches]

you joke but it genuinely adds up with how high her crit is

[@SelvenXXUP]

On my TTRPG party we call obliterating everything in sight as "preventive healing". Under the same definition, if you kill cultists and whatnot in the back row before they stress you, you are removing future stress from your team. Now if grave robber is good at targeting backrow, that's another discussion

[@Cabbage_Crusader]

*puts Crusader in 16* Me: Splish splash your opinion is trash.

[@soulofcinder7618]

This is heresy

[@cyanideytcuriousseadoggo]

True. Crusader can be used in any position and doesn’t rely on position. But Crusader doesn’t excel at anything but doesn’t suck at anything other than out speeding anything.

[@regandonohue3899]

Username checks out

[@cyanideytcuriousseadoggo]

@Cinnamon Killjoy Uhh Good luck out speeding those bonebags with Crus. At speed as I said is awful.

[@colossaltitan3546]

@@soulofcinder7618 crusader and the soul of cinder....this is the biggest crossover since endgame.

[@slushisimcambi2521]

Predicting leper number 1 because he “does fat damage” and “impossible to kill”

[@sirchris6047]

Where is the lie though?

[@DarkAngel-jo8ix]

He said it was a bad tier list and leper is actually the best class

[@Kalder44]

Remember when empowering vapors had unlimited uses? there's that video of 1 hit K.O the [DATA EXPUNGED]

[@slushisimcambi2521]

@@Kalder44 lol yes with the power of medical marijuana you too can kill [redacted]

[@Itsover9000napa]

yea because hit rate doesnt exist

[@lucasamaral7040]

This tier list was made by the Heart of Darkness.

[@feferson492]

ancestor trying to convince you to bench reynauld and dismas before they put him in a body bag

[@meemdic8682]

I agree, the legendary 4-antiquarian party comp is absolutely devastating

[@nonfictiondictionary]

Its actually a 4th wall breaking stress attack on the players themselves

[@fivelike11]

@@nonfictiondictionary *breathes heavily*

[@Shadow30.]

@@nonfictiondictionary """I leave this list to you my dear idiot""" Ancestor

[@angelgorm8230]

"Leper & Jester are a bad combination." Never have I ever read a more blatantly wrong and downright STUPID thing in my life. Leper & Jester is probably the second most iconic duo after Dismas & Reynauld.

[@art-cs6us]

Eh if u go with jester with the movement shifting and stuff, its not exactly idea for leper when he relies being in the front, especially if u want to use the dmg debuff ability. Unless ur using jester for the battle ballad to speed up leper then thats fine. Abomination and jester is probably more iconic duo tbh

[@Rondobondohondo]

@@art-cs6us it's not like the jester has to set the leper out of position, he can just go from the 3rd to 2nd rank with his stab ability and use finale to one shot the enemy that leper missed 3 times in a row

[@kitten3137]

My first (and still my only) kill on Heart was accomplished mostly by Leper and Jester. Rest of team was dead but this two chads destroyed that fucker. But urfortunately The Crimson Court came and consumed them

[@heroesoftomorrow3488]

They were introduced together, in the Fools and Corpses update

[@internetdragon7624]

I'm by no means good at this game, but a Jester and Leper (with the assistance of a Shield breaker and a Vestal) got me to 60 kills in the Endless Harvest which was pretty amazing to me tbh. Other comps featuring Jester and Leper, even not together, are fucking astounding. Jester absolutely carries in Crimson Court with his high bleeds. Leper is a goddamn unmovable force. They'll die someday but I'll know em as my MVPs forever

[@Thundawich]

I love how half of the criticisms of all these heroes is 'if you don't plan your team properly this guy will be shit'. Yup. That is basically how the game works.

[@justunnam3d]

His argument about crusader reminds me of having to kill swine prince with plague/jester/crusader/leper since my vestal was gambling, but the swine prince would give sacred scroll Crusader had to be the main healer and I managed to not only kill the prince, but also clear the dungeon Then vestal chose to keep gambling an extra week then gambled the scroll away

[@DinnerForkTongue]

"Unnerved, unbalanced..."

[@ashtonorjustace58]

29:00 Shuffle:" Do you see how quickly..." Me: " The tides turn."

[@jadsobhie]

Amen

[@fumeknightofshovelry3901]

This site is hilarious if you look at some of their Fire Emblem: Three Houses content, where for their tier list of weapons, they...literally put an un-obtainable weapon in the number one spot, because they didn't even check if it was usable. They just looked at the weapon stats on the wiki without looking to see if the player actually has access to it, lol.

[@failmasterjm]

Good ol' Viskam otherwise know as "Ha this thing isn't doing anything, i'll just ignore it. Wait, that damaged student hasn't leveled Res at all! Divine pulse time."

[@SomeoneStoleMyHandle911]

Yep classic journalism , that in no actual research/journalism is actually done beyond google and plagiarism that's how it's done.... and these guys get paid to do this. Feels like those clickbaity ads or article websites "top ten ways bananas can change your life!?!?! You wont believe number 9!"

[@fumeknightofshovelry3901]

@@SomeoneStoleMyHandle911 This isn't journalism.

[@knightgallade8431]

@@fumeknightofshovelry3901 It is what is has become

[@fumeknightofshovelry3901]

@@knightgallade8431 Don't make generalizations. Journalism is still important, but this is not journalism.

[@BaneClandestine]

How to sabotage your own run tier list.

[@emergenciest]

This is the first time I've heard abyssal artillery being called roof spaghetti. I won't refer to it otherwise from now on

[@Rakshael]

this killed me I will forever call it this now I looked in the comments for this and here it is

[@AM-we1es]

I've always heard it as skyslaps

[@lorenzpacis3249]

It's dumb, but I love a frontliner vestal is called Bonk Vestal.

[@Rakshael]

@@lorenzpacis3249 favorite variation of mine is "BoNkY giRL"

[@nritsch]

Spaghetti Strike is beautiful alliteration, and I refuse to call it anything else.

[@jacktheripper6761]

They also forgot to talk about shieldbreaker's nightmares, if they know about that.

[@ShuffleFM]

I think the "if they know" is the most important part. They probably don't.

[@SomeoneStoleMyHandle911]

Lol best comment and response , I dont think they even got past the tutorial and just looked up descriptions on the characters to waffle about with no actual physical gameplay context.

[@cloroxusthestainlessone4324]

@@SomeoneStoleMyHandle911 a games jurno not doing physical research? I'm shocked ..

[@DinnerForkTongue]

You expect these lazy fucks to actually look at a game in-depth?

[@sheperddoggy]

Crusader at 16, looks like this one is gonna be fun

[@angelman906]

yeah..

[@heroesoftomorrow3488]

I mean Crus isn't that good to be honest: he is a jack of all trades outdone by basically everyone. There is only one type of comp where he can outperform other classes, while most specialists can be really good in different ones. Damage tanking is also far worse than straight up dodging, so his high HP means squat, even though he has better dodge than the Leper. And having the lowest speed is just bad, as it is arguably the most important stat in the game

[@sheperddoggy]

@@heroesoftomorrow3488 I smell heresy...

[@heroesoftomorrow3488]

@@sheperddoggy Unholy bonus damage is a joke and Zealous Accusations is trash because unlike Leper's Hew, it's ranged

[@SirBroadsword]

@@heroesoftomorrow3488 >There is only one type of comp where he can outperform other classes Which comp is that, if I may ask?

[@Destroyer2150]

Calling Shieldbreaker a tank is like calling Vestel a stress healer.

[@sockmonkey6666]

Man, if the Vestel was good at group stress healing on top of everything else, she'd be OP.

[@ISELLSALT]

....i see you dont suffer the curse of all crit heals

[@darkeater-midir]

They already called a 'Grave Robber' as a stress healer, which is even more absurd.

[@jacobhoover1654]

@@darkeater-midir all her crits will heal alot of stress and she has a great group stress heal at camp

[@darkeater-midir]

​@@jacobhoover1654 That's 4 dots of stress heal, at a slim chance that even stress-heal anyone. And that's like ~30% chance to get a crit, if you got yourself a good set-up for this hero and fully upgraded. And knowing, how the game usually not kind to positive RNG, that won't be common at all. 'Gallows Humor' not good enough whole party stress-heal for 4 actions taken as 3/4 chance for -20 & addition chance to get 25% on top with +10 stress. Can be used in emergency for self-stress-heal, or when you have camped at the end of the mission.

[@user-vz8en2qf3n]

Honeslty, I was neglecting Highwayman for a long time but after using him at high level dungeons for a while... He just does so much damage and does it consistently, he has nigh ambush protection, his trinkets are good, the amount of damage he gets from riposting is absurd, he can delete enemies without prot with point blank shot AND he's not very fragile. Solid C tier for me.

[@BU-rf7jr]

@Soul of Cinder put the gunslinger's buckle and a crit trinket = stress healing. lmao

[@moozycla6]

*Playable at any damn position, which is the most important part of his versatility. You gotta mention it, and it's definitely not a C tier, anymore.

[@improbablyinnocent3291]

Prob say he’s pretty good at all things except being the back liner. But even then it technically works

[@gaysiegelord]

"He's a really good character who can delete people and is extremely useful with ripost" *puts him In c tier*

[@shintao5323]

I reached doubtful at Crusader at Highwayman this article achieved meme-tier.

[@sapehz3247]

You will arrive at the tier list. Its stanzas wind with a troubling, serpent-like suggestion through the corrupted reviewer's mind. Leading only, I fear, to ever more tenebrous places. There is a sickness in the shallow pitted paragraphs of the tier list and on its writhing words, you will face viciousness, violence, and perhaps other damnably transcendent terrors. So steel yourself and remember: there can be no bravery without madness. The website will take you to hell, but in that gaping abyss we will find our memes

[@sockmonkey6666]

Darkest Dungeon has improved more people's vocabularies than AP English.

[@tiagocosmos]

AA++

[@leesfille975]

@@sockmonkey6666 I first learned the word antediluvian from darkest dungeon.

[@sockmonkey6666]

@@leesfille975 I learned the word tenebrous. I'm one of those guys who reads a lot, and the game still increased my vocabulary!

[@itsyaboyxd8106]

best comment ive ever fucking seen

[@Melphisto_]

I would respect Houndmaster’s spot a lot more if they just said “he has a good doggo :)”

[@williammitchell6254]

The highway man and crusader are really fucking good, thats why you start with them.

[@Destroyer2150]

The very reason Red Hook give you the Crusader and Highway man is because they are simple to use and understand. For fuck sake, Dismas has a knife and gun, Reynauld is in armor with a big sword... it's not hard to understand what they can do...

[@owl4356]

When I saw where the highwayman was in the list, I almost burst out laughing lmao

[@dylan__dog]

"you get them first for free so they must be bad" Meanwhile that duo always works, with nearly every comp, both top 5 easily

[@TheFuriousBrother]

Only "almost" I shouted a loud "HA!" Considering it's 3am, I maybe shouldn't have done it, but that ranking is insanity incarnated

[@heavykyio]

Sees crusader at almost the bottom: *Pulls out zealous accusation* *"IT SAYS YOU ARE A HERETIC!"*

[@einherjar8147]

*Powerwolf intensifies*

[@dudewhy6953]

DEUS VULT!

[@griffinlobster]

Hahaha "she's not the best class, but she's certainly not the worst" this has some BIG junior high energy

[@tiagocosmos]

whoever wrote this DOESN'T play this game

[@dismasthepenitent569]

I mean, I've heard of lot of similar arguments from people that *do* play the game That doesn't mean they know what they're talking about...

[@SomeoneStoleMyHandle911]

@@dismasthepenitent569 exactly like when todd howard said "it just works" and it didnt. But people still said fallout 76 was a good game 🤯🤡🤡 anyone that says it's a good game knows nothing about good games

[@dismasthepenitent569]

@@SomeoneStoleMyHandle911 Well that's the person that *made* the game trying to sell it; it's a different case. Also I generally don't like saying someone's wrong for having a particular opinion unless their justification is flawed. So far I haven't even encountered a single person who thinks FO76 is a good game though so...

[@thanatosvorigan4986]

@@SomeoneStoleMyHandle911 You just had to bring up Fallout 76, didn't you? Are you seriously that desperate for dead drama? It's 2021, not 2018. It's not launch day anymore, the game is better now. How about you learn what a bad game is. Look at Ride To Hell: Retribution, Action 52, Sonic 06, Big Rigs. You have plenty to learn from, clown.

[@diogostw7286]

@@thanatosvorigan4986 Sad that people are accepting trash 76 it doesnt matter if it is better now its still the worst fallout in the series and the fact that it launched like that should never be forgiven the sad standards for consumers now

[@bahamut256]

Whelp, time to run a party with Vestal and plague doctor fighting for 4th position, a confused hound master who doesn’t understand why he’s in position two and three at the same time and a hellion in the lead, preferably without yawp just to really nail the party theme.

[@delivererofdarknessshoguno1133]

"Light armor exclusivity"-if I use big words, everyone will think that I know what I am talking about.

[@dungeonguy88]

Yeah, that was baffling. Were they suggesting that other characters don't have "armor exclusivity" or something?

[@delivererofdarknessshoguno1133]

@@dungeonguy88 This really feels like they were talking about some other game.

[@SomeoneStoleMyHandle911]

@@delivererofdarknessshoguno1133 agreed , I especially love the elements of sexual frustration present in the game that I also have played extensively 🤣😉

[@tiagocosmos]

HIGHWAYMAN AS BOTTOM 3 I'M SUING

[@krunchyapples]

Crusader at 16 *holy music stops* But fr i see crusader as a vanguard unit and his versatility is what makes him good. Good damage, tankiness, heals, stress heals, infinite torchlight; and frankly Stand Tall, Zealous Speech, and Zealous Vigil are very strong camping skills

[@Duchess_Van_Hoof]

Zealous Vigil is just brilliant.

[@JackiEEEEEEE]

why do they even do these without knowing the game lul

[@SomeoneStoleMyHandle911]

Youd be surprised how many people work in the gaming industry without any interest in games. It is funny to us like the time that journalist couldn't do the 1st level of cup head and give it a bad reveiw. But it comes across as ignorant. But atleast we all get to make memes about them.

[@flutebasket4294]

Clicks. This is all that matters now...

[@facebookuser1653]

Money from ad

[@jackmoseley4959]

Money.

[@kitten3137]

In my opinion tiering characters like this in DD doesn't make any sense. Most important things in this game are synergsies between them. Antiquarian as sole helo can be weak, but mixed with other heroes or placed multiple Times in a team can create a very strony team. You must experimate with mixing heroes for Good combinations. Good example of this is second floor of Darkest Dungeon itself. You are forced to have guard or suffer loss of one members of team. You have many options to build your Squad for this - in my run i Choose only a Houndmaster and an Antiquarian due to lack of guarding heroes in my roster (i lost my Men-At-Arms on one of bosses before and i have not replacment yet) and Antiquarian was lacking special trinket, but still could "redirect" Revelation to other teammates, evebtually be guarded by Houndmaster. Not sole hero matters, but teams and experimenting with builds

[@aloe7794]

Yeah, a definetly much better tier-list for heroes would be not a ranking one, but rather a compass-like graph. Because it can actually show their utilities here and there, instead of burning down to nigh-impossible-to-do ranking of "who are you gonna use for the entire game and who's utterly useless" (like this tier-list), because every class have situations when they're better and worse.

[@Mike-km3cn]

That's why class with versatility is better the most part, you only need special role class in specific boss battle or dungeon, the more general the hero use is the better they are in "general" tier list.

[@lorenzpacis3249]

Pretty much. There's no bad hero in Darkest Dungeon. There's only bad synergies & positioning.

[@jackmoseley4959]

Leper is mediocre alone due to low accuracy, but combine them with a Man at arms or Jester and raise their accuracy to start mowing through hordes (bonus points if they become focused or powerful). Darkest Dungeon lives on that kind of thing.

[@JeffreyBezeau]

@@jackmoseley4959 Exactly. My 2nd team is based around the Leper with Vestal 4th, Man at arm 3rd, Highwayman 2nd and Leper 1st. I'm mowing everything with the Leper being buffed by Man at arm constantly. It's just ridiculous how tanky they both are and how i'm just oneshotting everything on sight. It ain't my favorite team, but they are a solid #2 there for me.

[@onion69420]

Grave robber = Stress healer Shield breaker = Tank What universe was this guy playing in?

[@Candle_]

>Crusader 16th Crucify me now

[@randomstupiddude3565]

Crucify them*

[@mildlymaliciousbanana2700]

I was spamming shadow fade as soon as I learned how to use her, it’s crazy how people think that near double damage higher dodge stealth (and I think something else) as a setup, to then deal an obscene amount of damage the next is bad.

[@verbfrombonsai8852]

Once you stop being intimidated by shuffle comps, you will start appreciating these classes.

[@nicknerness2330]

Setting aside the terrible rankings, who wrote this?? The sentence structure is cringey.

[@acotojest]

I actually looked at this article and looked at your tier list during my first few hours of DD and it left me very confused.

[@eclecticspaghetti]

oh BOY, i thought thegamer couldn’t *possibly* make a fool of itself any more than they already have.

[@shadowmetroid18]

Clearly you havent seen the shit yugioh articles they post.

[@eclecticspaghetti]

@@shadowmetroid18 what the fuck, what do they NOT cover?

[@Tocha_official]

@@shadowmetroid18 This one? www.thegamer.com/yu-gi-oh-most-powerful-monster-cards-ranked/

[@videoms1271]

@@eclecticspaghetti honiepop, maybe

[@ChromeBirb]

You know, in a list about Fire Emblem Three Houses they placed *a healing spell* in the top ten strongest weapons list. Seeing the crusader in 16 is somehow even more insulting.

[@toxicspikes098]

"He's great if you have heroes like arbalest or graverobber, but pair him with someone like the leper and it's just annoying." Battle ballad jester + leper absolutely destroying anything in their way: are you sure about that?

[@darkdestructer]

Im pretty sure when he says that characters fall off at mid-lategame that was because he was lacking their trinkets and how to properly use them. To be fair a shieldbreaker with trash trinkets in lategame is not that great. Also would be nice to know in which areas he used the characters. In his defense I played like 300hours+ in this game and thought flagellant is the nr1 character by far. This game has alot of stuff to learn. But yea I never thought highwayman is one of the worst, whereever I took him he slaughtered enemies

[@jonasribeiro2001]

I will never forgive the flagellant

[@nouvelle147]

I literally cannot describe the feelings that awaked within me when I saw Highwayman at 15

[@froggygaymer]

This tier list ignores the overwhelming might of 4 Leper squad gang

[@Josh---]

Crossbow woman is not a specialist. If you give her some heal trinkets and stack battlefield bandage on someone, it adds up really fast. To the point you're pumping out 12 - 18 heals with her. She also really shines with houndmaster's mark, and will absolutely decimate bosses with it. This tier list is whack as fuck

[@whatamidoing6555]

Or combo with Flagellant Regen buff to heal 6HP per turn. One thing is it would work only if your party has good evasion/guard.

[@dylan__dog]

Her damage is meh without a marker, she's only good for certain bosses Especially Swine king

[@DinnerForkTongue]

@@dylan__dog Which is why you don't run her without an Occultist or BH.

[@theotv5522]

Grave Robber *has* a stress heal. Everyone -50 stress whenever they see her exotic body.

[@avroskroksthestarfish4495]

Its like 17 different people were told to describe one character, then they just put them in random order.

[@Friendlybot9000]

And one of the 17 people didn’t have any playtime on the game whatsoever

[@kinetic_krown]

The problem with ranking instead of a tier list is that none of the heroes are bad.

[@disasterjones5798]

I will say, as someone who used to be in the "Crusader doesn't do any one thing better than anyone else" crowd, I imagine a lot of newer players probably run into the roadblock of Reynauld's kleptomania, which kind of kills any interest in the class from the jump. Here's this dude who misses often in the beginning, gets easily stressed out, and steals what could have been really useful loot at almost every opportunity-it's only natural that people are put off by him. But getting past that (by waiting for the funds/time to cure his quirk or dumping him and getting a new Crusader) generally resolves the initial frustration. I've done a complete 180 with regards to my opinion of him, and realized he's probably one of the most valuable assets to any team I bring to any region.

[@HaloFTW55]

Meanwhile, I end up successfully running with an all Crusader team because I can. It’s stupidly effective when you have a bunch of armoured sword wielding zealots murdering anything and everything in the Ruins.

[@videoms1271]

@@HaloFTW55 until 1 dies, then it falls like a house of cards

[@annsh.6487]

I legit don't ever want to transform the abomination guy, because he is really awesome in human form and also I just feel so bad for him :')

[@vojtechkorhon4159]

Yeah, just let him vomit on fish and skeletons.

[@videoms1271]

I used to exclusively transform him, but then I started doing it only when necessary to conserve stress, like for a boss battle or for a battle that's got him on death's door

[@papapenguin1885]

Someone hasn't discovered space cocaine yet.

[@sirchubsalot5862]

Kind of wish we got another dedicated healing class. At first I thought it was the occultist but several 0 heals later I realized that wasnt the case. I wish there was more variety so I dont have only vestial for my dedicated healing

[@Darksideofthestars]

Flagelant

[@FrancoisMarchant]

- Arbalest (she buffs healing received, and has a healing trinket) - Occultist (he is, on average number, an amazing healer. You just have to be ready to sometimes have 0) - Crusader (healing from any position, stress and HP) - Plague doctor (healing + dot removal is often superior to pure healing, because DOT add up very quickly and is very threatening at death door) - Antiquarian (though kinda bad, she is enough to put someone out of Death door. You can feed the person up to health after combat) - Flagellant (healing over time is insane, and his % healing is also very strong) Not counting all the characters that can self-heal and thus diminish the need for a healer (houndmaster, leper, abomination, hellion). Healing is not something you have to do all the time. Healing is something you have to do : - When someone is at death door - When the fight is over and you are prolonging it to get some ressource back I'd much rather have a team with no "dedicated healer" but 2 or 3 off-healers than the opposite. It means i have more people able to emergency heal (so i don't get screwed if the vestal is stunned), and i have more stuff to do on my "stalling turns".

[@LawrenceVengeance]

That's why installing additional character mods is beneficial and fun. Lamia and Librarian are strong supports.

[@shbduukuynostradomus5509]

I always find it funny that the court jester who killed his court pairs well with the self exiled king

[@hideshisface1886]

I really like how the dude was bashing Arbalest for being glued to back row, but put Hellion on 1st place, despite her being basically glued to front ranks. Lovely consistency. Generalists are bad, except when they aren't. It reeks of something written without much planning or thinking.

[@lusigia]

I have a theory, they wrote those articles wrong at poupose, something awfully wrong drags way more atention that something right

[@MacAlmighty]

Crusader 16, highwayman 15 _Look how they massacred my boy(s)_

[@vogunBurgundy]

One problem with Riposte (i.e. Highwayman) in the later game is that its Accuracy never scales up with his level. Its accuracy stays at sub-Leper levels going into the late-game, it's just not noticed usually on account of his usually being fitted out with +ACC trinkets by that point to at least somewhat off-set it. That said, he has exactly middle of the road HP (23-43 is the median/9th place among 17 last I checked) and above average Dodge, and no particular weaknesses as far as Resistances goes (even if only Trap Resist is "good".) He also has access to +Dodge self-Buffs through Unparalled Finesse, and a lot of his trinkets which help with Dodge. So, I'd call him one of the _tougher,_ more survivable units all things considered, even if it's not immediately obvious. Edit: Okay so I was going to leave it at that, until I saw "Jester is awful with Leper". Dear Gods, what are they teaching kids these days.

[@jackofastora8962]

To this day I’m convinced these guys watched a single “darkest dungeon rage moments” and made their entire list around that.

[@Tocha_official]

You know what, this article was my first guide to Darkest Dungeon. And I firmly believed Crusader was crap. It's not until I found the triple dancing Crusader team with the Holy Lance that I think otherwise. And then the more I played the character, the more I think the article itself is the crappy one.

[@timothyh5632]

It feels like this was written by three different people who never communicated with each other whatsoever.

[@fiacapistrano2445]

I don't think the writer has reached mid-late game experience, the way he wrote the article

[@chuckblaze5147]

I actually got tricked by this site back when I started playing. I assumed they had some basic knowledge, greater than I did, and I needed space for more characters, so I actually disposed of my highwayman and abomination.. :((

[@Donagalthegamer]

This person definitely played like 2-3 dungeons with each class and made comments based on that, and I imagine they got that ez mark combo off with a bounty hunter and 1 shot something, and were like "Wow, insane character, 10/10", I bet hellion was something similar, and their Reynauld & Dismas probably died in like week 3-5 because their occultist couldn't heal them

[@internetdragon7624]

I love n appreciate, truly, how everyone here collectively agrees that placing Crusader and Highwayman so low is Heresy.

[@ElevenDollarCheese]

Getting strategy from a site like that is like getting your news from a USA Today newspaper.

[@jaredlucev2705]

"I'm gonna write a games journalist review of the characters!" *Steam: total play time 1.2 hours*

[@Italianchef26]

No no no, get this. It makes sense, the classes are just ranked in reverse order. That means Antiquarian, Crusader and Highwayman are top 3

[@Amateur2CombaT]

I mean , this is a pretty terrible tier list but I gotta give him something for putting Hellion n1 ^^ It"s my favorite character. My playstyle is usually to not bring a stress healer and rely on camping and negating stress from the get go. So to me sniping the backline is a key factor in my team building , so you can imagine how often I rely on hellions to quicky get rid of the stress caster on 4rth row. I m not gonna tell u the strengh she has cause u know them as much if not more than I do but to me and personal preference aside she is clearly a top5 character. If i had to do my personal top 5 it would be : 1. Vestale cause she makes me feel safe pretty much anywhere I go. 2. Hellion , imo the best frontlaner with access to iron swan and double stun on frontlane. Has insane trinckets and good camping skills for boss fights or destress at the end of a dungeon. 3. Houndmaster , can fit in anyteam, anywhere , and will always perform good. 4. Highwayman , best dps char in the game , good camping skills. 5. Jester , very good in the farmstead and crimsom court. Also good in regular dungeons when the difficulty rise up. Thx for the video bro was a lot of fun to watch u trash this article. But honestly for players like us who played thousands of hours that was pretty laughable ^^

[@unknownkingdom]

I think in apprentice and veteran dungeons you can do that. And that's what I msotly did. But it seems in champion dungeons you just *have to* bring. a stress healer. Very hard to get away with not bringing one.

[@monochrome3168]

"Houndmaster will always preform well" Barrel of bombs "No"

[@Amateur2CombaT]

I agree , that s what I wanted to say when i wrote "when the difficulty rise up". In vet dungeons or Bloodmoon playthrough etc it becomes almost mandatory.

[@secretname2670]

"my favorite character is number 1 in their opinion so it's okay if they have the dumbest takes" My brother in christ, you are projecting onto a fictional character, cease thy jests, lest I burst asunder my side plates!

[@tanks608]

Seeing crusader at 16, well its time for another crusade gents.

[@buddy94445]

the problem is that the gap between the good heroes and the bad ones is so small and rating them pretty much doesn't make sense. every hero can thrive with the right team comp/setup. there are some very good universal must haves that work with anything but there are no outright bad heroes

[@unknownkingdom]

I've come around on shadow fade. I used to think it was a waste because it's so important to eliminate enemies on the first turn. However it works pretty well with highwaymen riposte because it can help direct enemy attacks to him. Then on her second turn she basically gets her first turn back because of the double damage buff. So she can pretty reliably one shot whatever threat is remaining

[@AddisonFairweather]

I've never slept on shadow fade. "I can't be targetted, double my damage" seems like objectively good use of a turn in a game like D&D, and it's never led me wrong in other games lol

[@yuyukosama6749]

I started playing the game a few days ago and read that article and tried farming the ruins with those "top tier characters" only to get frustrated at how I couldn't deal at all with stress, then I read another article that suggested going 3 crusaders and 1 plague doctor for the ruins. I wasn't disappointed by my "shit tier" characters

[@annurissimo1082]

Dismas and Reynauld are the only S tier heroes, sharing the number 1 spot (in my heart)

[@limcw6092]

"You don't take Jester for dancing" but why tho? he's got some sick moves

[@abelsampaio389]

Dog treats are always the first item I switch out when my inventory gets full. I just never remember to use it, so I gave up

[@liambrady993]

Take a shot everytime the article gets something wrong and ya boy Shuffle corrects it. I dare you

[@InternetMadnez]

A brillant confluence of skills and purpose.

[@jody4210]

Highwayman 3rd worst? Outclassed in mid game?? Excuse me? In my stygian file I brought 2 HWM with good trinkets into DD1 quest and they absolutely destroyed every enemy we encountered. These game journalists are hurting my brain I think I died inside when I saw they said pairing Jester with Leper is bad

[@lukeyilonen]

Shuffle is a highwayman simp

[@lft9080]

highwayman > game

[@katla3393]

Need damage? He has it, all of it, probably stole it from someone, like the thief he is, but now its his.

[@Cacemomarerona]

@@katla3393 you could make an ancestor quote out of that “Either through sleight of hand, or the lightest of fingers, this one sees no shortage of ill-gotten goods... both those in reserve, and those yet to be... earned.”

[@katla3393]

@@Cacemomarerona you should be working on DD2, no joke

[@DinnerForkTongue]

@@Cacemomarerona Niiiice.

[@zombezyb6692]

29:03 It took all his inner will to not quote ancestor.

[@tobiasthehawk4028]

Leper being docked points for "He must be in the first or second position" This man has never heard of Quad Leper. Pathetic.

[@jaccubin]

Imagine being so arrogant the only way you can conceive of someone agreeing with you is that they're secretly ripping off your content, lol...

[@presidentduckling]

20:20 You're forgetting a whole part of the playerbase when you think this author watched your video - people who haven't played enough of the game to realize that you can set up grave robber in the backline to instantly lunge, and are instead putting her in the front to shadow fade because they haven't had that level of creative thought yet. I'd know, that's how I used Grave Robber the first time I picked her up without watching any videos.

[@mortanes2]

Grave robber - one of the best stress healers With an abundance (one, there's just one) of reliable (not reliable at all) stress healing abilities that can be used almost all the time (only at camp, once)

[@meandmyboys3449]

Seeing how they put my boils Rey and Dismas at the bottom I got very furious.

[@archlightdemon7759]

I haven't had such tears of joy and laughter in a while, what a meme list

[@sablonanime650]

Makes me want to see him react to the green scorpion’s video. He did a top 17 darkest dungeon classes.

[@ShuffleFM]

I'm down to watch it but I don't wanna make it seem like I'm going after anyone. The issue with this list is that there was no coherent logic for the choices and it was clear the author didn't play the game much.

[@sablonanime650]

@@ShuffleFM ah ok I can see where you’re coming from

[@bob999yaitis]

i didn't even think about putting cultist in the front i just would have him in the back pulling things into the front line

[@Duchess_Van_Hoof]

The crusader really irks me as a relative beginner. As I had too many rear-line support classes (I was wrong), I wanted a solid class in the front. Thus, three crusaders. A reliable stun that deals a decent damage, a skill that heals, stress heals AND ignites more torchlight? Then I heard about holy lance, and it is hilarious. I love it. I always put him near the front, stuns, smites, occassionally rallies. And in case of a rare shuffle, lounge it is! Great HP, amazing damage, stun, and reliable support moves? Where's the downside?

[@steveharrison76]

Hello and welcome to Shit Takes: 17: antiquarian is bad and I hate becoming unhittable with vapours almost as much as I hate having no reliable way to generate early/mid game cash. 16: Crusader is bad and I also never use the clutch on my car to change gears, I just buy a new sychromesh every day. 15: Highwayman is bad and I hate killing size 2 enemies with a single shot because I hate endorphins. 14: Arbalest is bad and I hate healing buffs and I enjoy getting shanked to shit by invisible enemies, I don’t like having two kidneys anyway. 13: Leper is bad because I hate having extremely tough frontliners (due to my hatred of both specialists and generalists wUb wUb) with easily remedied downsides because I’m writing an incoherent article full of egregiously bad takes. 12: Jester is bad because he’s complicated and doesn’t involve having a button that everyone always presses all the time and an I Win button. 11: Occultist is bad because I don’t really understand how he works or what he’s for. 10: shield breaker is bad because I needed to put something at number ten. I also think I don’t drink enough water. 9: Abomination is bad because I have painted myself into a corner because I put the best stress healers lower on the list than this one and he causes stress which I can’t now deal with because I never use jester or crusader. This article is the hill my father died on. 8: The Flagellant is mr mixup; selfish and not selfish; useful and needs to be babysat; blonde and brunette. I just ate my pencil. 7: Grave Robber is someone who can shadow fade and kill Bowser with it. I’ve never played this game. 6: man at arms is a combination of two other characters that aren’t similar to him unless you squint so hard your retina falls out of that little weird mouth-nostril at the back of your throat. (You guys have those, right?) 5: Bounty Hunter is good. I’m done with Bounty Hunter’s section now. 4: Vestal is a healer. I’m so tired. 3: Houndmaster is a generalist but he has a good boi so he’s here, not like stinky crusader. 2: plague doctor is the best stunner, the best stunner and the best stunner. 1: Hellion is the best. Because she was the one that was left. Join me again next time as we rank the reasons why ranking lists of different tools for the job at hand as if they all have the same use is a bad as fuck idea. Excuse me, I’m off to hammer some nails with a bandsaw and slowly scrape my way through a piece of timber with a spanner.

[@teknoreaper9232]

dude crusader is literally good at everything. he's not even average at all the things he does he's really good at all of them too with proper builds.

[@delivererofdarknessshoguno1133]

Leper "best damage dealer"... wut? I thought damage dealer meant that a character can reliably deal tons of damage, not get a good strike once per battle. Also crusader at 16 just shows that the person writing this has probably never played DD and has just read character stats and skills.

[@dylan__dog]

Characters like Crusader HM or MAA might not be the best of the best in every combat situation but they're characters that work decently almost always Darkest dungeon isn't just the combat it's also the planning and week to week strategizing, having characters that can always fill a slot regardless of who they're paired with is priceless I always end up with a bunch of HMs and Crusaders by the time I reach end game content simply because I recruit new ones to team with lower level guys because the old ones reach high levels fast due to how often they're utilized, since they don't care who they're with and have stuns and stress heals

[@exxelsetijadi5348]

"highwayman falls off, replace him later" *laughs in Duelist's advance and Point blank shot duo highwayman spam*

[@drenchedinsyrupp6059]

>crusader is good at multiple positions >therefore he is a bad class

[@englebertmagentaschweiger1447]

Antiquarian as worst class. Jesus. They did a fantastic job ignoring the fact that MONEY IS IMPORTANT.

[@bowiebrewster6266]

I feel like filthy's "how good is " series is much more in depth and has very clear cut arguments

[@user-zs7fn5wu8w]

"So yeah i need you to do this tierlist for that game `Dankest Dungeon` or whatever. Will 10 hours of playtime suffice for a thorough and based analysis?" - "Done!"

[@serathaevistille995]

'Crusader's not good at any one thing.' Umm, excuse me, he smites things back to oblivion constantly. HOW IS THAT NOT BEING GOOD AT SMITING THINGS BACK TO OBLIVION? He's also extremely good at stress-healing sooooo, this person's brain already seems baked, let's watch the rest of this trainwreck.

[@orionhan2431]

every character is good in the correct dungeon and team. Abomination: i only use him for stun and blight, start at position 2 or 3. i only transform if Shambler or Thing from Stars appears.

[@pointynoodle]

I've played Darkest Dungeon for 250+ hours and hardly take Occultist's stun... To me the pull and the marks are what I use him for

[@longevitee]

It's a really good stun, though.

[@Duchess_Van_Hoof]

To be fair, the pull is hilarious if you have a crusader or other shortranged frontliner. Especially against the cult priestesses.