"The Zildjian Secret" (1990 Promotional - RARE!)

[@clarencehoover6748]

I have this on VHS. Nice to see it is now made available to a broader audience.

[@mrbighead5222]

I got this tape with my first Zildjian cymbal in the early 90s when I was about 12. I watched it till it wore out! Thanks for the upload.

[@randyharris8777]

Mr Bighead Bro I watched it over and over as a kid

[@jch78]

Same at me! I loved this Video - every time again!

[@briandressel1344]

Mr Bighead me too

[@geomcc109]

Me too! It was pretty much unplayable by the end 😂

[@transistorboy311]

Same here. I still have the ride cymbal that the video came with

[@brent3760]

I am soooo glad the era of heavy, bright, and HEAVY cymbals are behind us.

[@robertdore9592]

I feel sure that this was a decision based on cost. I became fed up of clangy thick cymbals which is why I now play Istanbul Agop much closer to what I believe that Zildjian cymbals started as.

[@groovemessenger2407]

Not a only a tour of the Zildjian factory, but also an example of every Boston accent variation! Love it.

[@bradhart6487]

Please just ignore the chain hanging from my nose...

[@MrCharlieroo]

somebody should pull that chain

[@briandressel1344]

Lol I call BS on his Joe’s garage story. Actually researched that comment and no one that worked on the “GTR” album worked on Zappa’s Joe’s Garage.

[@carbonc6065]

@@briandressel1344 NIce catch!

[@TheWaldorfj]

He never said he worked on the album. He just said they sounded alike.

[@TheWaldorfj]

BTW- those chains used to be cool.

[@theredbaron057]

I have this on VHS in the original case somehwere in a dusty box! Was given to me by Joe at West Coast Drum Center in the 90's. Good times!

[@academaciated7466]

Man, haven’t seen this since i bought a pair of New Beats a long time ago. They have me this vhs with the purchase at West Coast Drum Center in So Cal. ❤

[@duane9415]

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THIS RELIC

[@justinkeckhaver8199]

This video was thrown in as an extra (VHS, of course) when my mother bought me my first set of drums when I was 11. Pearl Forum 5 piece with Zildians, of course. I still play those drums and cymbals almost 30 years later.

[@blackkatz100]

I was given this video from the owner of Freehold Music Center in Freehold NJ/Manalapan NJ back somewhere around 90" Had such an impact on as a young musician! Leon Shapini should be giving an award.... Think I misspelled his last name... Anyway I've used Zil, Sab and now I strictly use Meinl, I credit Benny Greb for that influence so thank you for that sir!

[@danlc95]

I still have this on VHS! Got it when I was teaching, back in the 90's.

[@randyharris8777]

danlc95 I still have it too lol

[@danlc95]

Randy Harris I have great memories of the early to mid 90's. This video was part of it. I was never a "Zildjian player", but always loved and respected the company, and their instruments.

[@TheWaldorfj]

Me too!

[@Aerospacer77]

Reminds me so much of a great time. The 1990's! I remember buying my first Zildjian cymbal.. a 20" ping ride and man did that thing sound amazing on our recordings. I also ended up with some Jimmy Chamberlain prototype cymbals that my friend got from Jimmy himself.

[@thedrummerboycr]

I had this video in VHS format. Thanks for sharing.

[@Exotic_Tofu]

so sad they discontinue so many good cymbals all the time but i love zildjian!

[@RDHERNANDEZ1]

I love Zildjian,GOD keep blessing your factory and everyone on it.

[@huarachudo47]

3:36 Now Jonathan Mover today: "Please don't upload this to KZbin ... I have a family and kids now, please"

[@jdsaenz]

Aw, come one! Sound cuts out right during Peter Erskine's solo. Awesome video though; thanks for uploading this!

[@richparr79]

TIL Zildjian made a snare drum! Looking like the Pearl Free Floater, but in cymbal brass.

[@pgn77]

I remember buying my pearl export set back in 1990 with an A zildjian 18 crash at Resurrection Drums here in FL. The guy gave me this VHS tape and it was awesome I watched it over and over. Thanks for posting this video.

[@cigarettecat3981]

i haven’t the name resurrection drums in so long

[@keepntyme]

Peart and Weckl, yes with Sabian. Which was a Zildjian factory in Canada made by the same family as Zildjian. When the old man passed away the boys had differences so one of them started Sabian. Paiste my personal favorite. Well they got the Great Vinnie. I saw Weckl and according to him in Denver on Dec. 5 2013 at a drum clinic he said he went to Sabian because he likes playing them better and money had absolutely nothing to do with it. That's what he said.

[@danlc95]

I'm a Paiste guy myself. I was glad to see Vinnie playing them.

[@kcorpora1]

Believe the world is square if he says it!

[@omegapryo]

at 7:49 it kind of looks like Mr.Hakim got scared because he didn't clarify on the drum set lol. I don't know I'm just being goofy or something. Made me laugh though.

[@Strabbs12345]

I bought some a customs in 1993 and got this on VHS, haven't seen it in 20 years

[@Samsgarden]

I'm of the opinion that musicians will speak any nonsense to honour their endorsers. It's simply disingenuous to say this cymbal make is "better" than another, or one company makes "better" drums that its competitor. More than anything, what makes an instrument sound good, is what the musician extracts out of it.

[@pwm485]

That's your opinion.

[@danlc95]

Aw man, those K. Custom cymbals were awesome... I've got a ton of Paiste gear, but my Zildjians are sacred. I have a modern K. Custom ride, which is fairly heavy. I also have a 22" K. Custom from the mid/late 80's which is thinner. That cymbal is my baby. I almost had the 20" but lost it on ebay..

[@danlc95]

@@JBATahoe - And it is for those reasons I love them!

[@Jetty-xd9yc]

I remember watching this at guitar center here in San Diego when it was on El cajon boulevard. The drum Department was upstairs and we would go and play drum kits and watch this and Dave weckl. Omar Hakim is so awesome I stolen so many of his licks from this time with sting

[@marksadventures3889]

yeah I got some at home right now, the ride 18" and 20" China, lovely sound even though they're second hand and old, and I think a pair of 14" hats I got second hand are Ziljian and a great tone

[@clintawnbomb]

I still have this VHS from my first set of Zyldjians.

[@75DrummerBoy]

I got my VHS of this with a set of cymbals years ago! The tape I transferred to DVD for myself so I don't wear it out!!!

[@themetalgod21]

Dave went for the money,he told himself at a show in philly at zanzibar blue!!! He gets 10 percent of the sales of his cymbals plus 50,000 dollars.He told me zildjian had been using his ideas for years and not paying him.Later i found out from a zildjian rep that dave had gotten divorced and his wife had taken him to the cleaners and he needed money.

[@stixs2005]

I heard he made the switch on a purely business decision. I think he gets a certain % on each HHX Evolution that gets sold, which he help designed.

[@AECJ1]

after Armand+ passed away I lost my interest in Zildjian after believing since childhood Zildjian was the only cymbal company. Primary reason is the price for them And the less than B20 alloys now spun from them. I used to look for new and vintage used for my personal feelings for tonal qualities for durability since I would break anything at most eventually. I considered what was fair prices up until years ago when I paid for the then new K Constanipole ride for about $400. After that it was rare occasions but I generally stopped trying to find Zildjian cymbals because of the prices new and used. I loved Zildjian. I feel like they were not loving me back after all was said and done. Greedy daughter of Armand ruined them

[@kandydavins]

7:30 when you hit the crack pipe and blast off!

[@cduplantis72]

I had this on VHS when I was young. Ray Fransen in NOLA gave it to me. So much to love about this video. Sick grooves. Still want that $1K+ snare. Weckl lost the Zil-love (and the mullet) like most. And I agree - Zildjian consistency has declined. Funny fact: When Jonathan mentions the five year old drummer playing Zildjian into the 2000s, Tony Royster, Jr. was about five when this was made.

[@Gretchluver1]

Sabian was founded in 1981 and Buddy died in 1987. However, I have never seen Buddy using Sabian cymbals. There was a gig where he's clearly using a Paiste ride, but other than that they were always Zildjians.

[@georgedavis8885]

i bought a pair of ziljian hi hats symbals in the 80s cost me 130.00 quid god knows how much they cost now i regret selling them to this day they felt good when you play they are the best

[@danwebd4481]

I had the same thing too, a good cymbal is like a good guitar, should never part of it, I learned this lesson also the hard way...

[@TheNormalMCGamer]

11:03 Lol, back when Neil Peart used Zildjians

[@TheSDM64s]

Lol I didn't know that Neil Peart used to use Zildjian cymbals! That's cool!

[@JackMehoff845]

back when zildjian still made good cymbals

[@markkarj1975]

I remember watching this video. I do find it interesting how many of those drummers have gone elsewhere (Vinnie Colaiuta, Tommy Aldridge and Jonathan Mover to Paiste, Dave Weckl to Sabian).

[@RockMacDonald23]

Can someone tell me what hi hats Omar hakim is using in this video? Im looking for good hi-end hats and those are pretty shweeeeet.

[@tomkovats5107]

+beatcrazy14 yes, this is a Zildjian 14" Quick Beat Hi hat

[@Jetty-me6cw]

beatcrazy14 Sorry but those were K/Z hats. 13in K medum heavy top and 13in Dyno beat bottoms. Those Dynos had 4 holes 3/4in cut outs in diameter on the bottoms, just like the original Z series did on their bottoms too. Hands down my 13in K/Z hats are to this day the best sounding and playing hats ever made.

[@tomkovats5107]

Yes, probably you are right, but that time Omar used two hi hats models: the best K/Z in the size 13" and the Quick Beat model in the size 14".

[@Jetty-me6cw]

Tom Kovats your absolutely right. I forget, did he plat the 14's on his right side under his ride? I can't remember.

[@tomkovats5107]

No, sometimes he used the 13"k/z, sometimes he switched that for a 14" quick beat. At that time Omar was my hero. :-)

[@tomkovats5107]

RIP Victor Baley.

[@marksadventures3889]

wouldn't that be freaky, a mixture of Pearl or Premier and Ziljian for the complete drumming experience ...cool!

[@adie5271]

thanks for sharing this.

[@happymex15]

I still have this documentary!

[@danlc95]

A few drummers jumped ship after Armand passed away.

[@Gretchluver1]

Also when Lenny DiMurzio left.

[@Moog168]

The bassist is Victor Bailey they used to play in Weather Report together

[@michaels6213]

this is back when Zildjian sounded good. The Zildjians today are nothing like they were.

[@milesfarnan9049]

now days you need to pay a fortune to get your hands on a good k custom or kerope.

[@danlc95]

I taught at a shop in Waterford, MI and when I'd come in to work, all the new cymbals sounded fantastic! that was in the mid 90's. I miss those old days.

[@tparker2095]

I thought it was just me, the sound files on the ZIldjian website sound pretty good and I'd love for my cymbals to sound the way they do on the website, but in video's online the cymbals don't sound nearly as good. Not enough consistency in the cymbals, you have to listen to a few until you find the one you like, I don't like that in a company. I just don't feel comfortable buying zildjian's anymore, the vintage ones I own definitely sound better for some reason.

[@michaels6213]

yep, the quality started going down in the late 90's when Armand died. I think the girls have something to do with it. The last one I bought was in mid 2000's and I had to demo 8 A Custom crashes to find one that was really good. There were a couple that were horrible.

[@tparker2095]

I'm thinking of going with Sabian or Paiste, I can never make up my mind with cymbals but I feel a lot more comfortable with Paiste considering the cymbals are so consistent let alone sound good, and Sabian just feels like home to me because I've been playing them for so long and I never fail to find a great cymbal made by them. What do you think his daughters could have done to the cymbals? Something has definitely changed.

[@apinakapinastorba]

Still got this video somewhere laying around :) Man I've always laughed to that Tommy Aldridge part, beathing those drums like somekind of an ape :D

[@MrPaoloScarnati]

Too nice to see the "young apprentice" Francis. :D

[@JVdrummer1]

Now Now Dave Weckl loves sabian..lol

[@philipknoefel]

And Vinnie Paiste. ;-)

[@claystaggs8908]

So much he has two lines with them lol

[@SushiStriker]

Here from DankPods

[@Roganberg]

This is amazing! Thank-you! But the audio cuts out at 13:15. Any chance of fixing it and reuploading?

[@toddlabrie5719]

Nice Cosby sweaters everyone! No, not everyone was as clueless as a 90's drummer back then. This is why they put them behind a wall of cymbals.

[@cm9779]

+Todd LaBrie The 90's certainly was a grotesque fashion era.

[@fuma0.o_bot100]

Help me set up my roland bridge caster sound like a podcast pls

[@8xtime]

3:40, what the fuck is that, a booger hanging from his nose to his ear?

[@rillloudmother]

that was a thing back then. i think this happened right after the trend of heterosexual men wearing belly shirts.

[@tanodrummer]

Also have a vhs with this video.......wow lot of memories...

[@JoeyvanLeeuwen]

9:34 Joey Kramer loves to beat it.

[@Jeff-h4j]

I use to break my heavy crashes. Had to drill a hole at the end of the crack cause I couldn't afford new ones at that time. 77, 78. I had just found out about Rush. So I was turning my sticks around too.

[@1969DayTripper]

zildjian in the only cymbal option for me never used sabien, paiste or anything but zildjian. zildjian rocks

[@drRedStronger]

what is the song from begin?

[@oh_rhythm]

"you're invested in a tradition...400 years..." while the video shows a dude placing a cymbal in an automatic hammering machine. yup, they sure make 'em like they used to 400 years ago.

[@franciscocresta]

as it is called the music starts 2:50 ? thanks.

[@ThomasMetal75]

What did happen to Dave Weckl and Zildjian?

[@clever8088]

OMG Omar Hairkim

[@drumd00d]

9:33 Frodo???

[@GMDCymbals]

Dude, I can't stop laughing from your comment!

[@terratremuit4757]

Haha that description is dumb! 1623 isn't thousands of years old! The Ottoman Empire lasted until the 1900s!

[@juanvallejo8826]

RIP Victor Bailey

[@mtndewman1022]

thanks man :)

[@SlikOZZY93]

what is the name of the song on the begining?

[@awmaace3397]

Lol paul Francis 😆😆😆😆

[@nicholass.6829]

Not rare. It came with a box set of cymbals in the 90's

[@pazenmaz]

Love my Zildjians baby!

[@homergump3]

"I prefer the K Dark Crashes. They have a very warm, yet pleasing, and bright tone." How the F do they do all 3 at once? The "Dark Crash" does warm and bright tones. Bro...

[@pierces19941]

"The best drummers in the world play zildjian cymbals" I'll take who is John Bonham for 200 Alex

[@peterpiece2102]

No, itsn' true! The true secret stay in Istanbul, the whole Zildjian A is a license from 1953! The last secret Turkish alloy was the Trans Stamp badge Zildjian.

[@becketcerny3015]

anyone recognize the tune at 9:43? I like it a lot.

[@matthewgrahl6810]

Becket Cerny moments notice by john coltrane

[@matthewgrahl6810]

moments notice by john coltrane

[@DanielMcBrain]

Paul Francis is awesome, lol!

[@Kirkshelton]

I have an original copy on VHS. make an offer lol.

[@walidelaref881]

Paul Francis in his early days at Zildjian😮👍🏼

[@PeartDisicple481]

Yeah I play Zildjian

[@SchizophrenicReality]

@kdarkcrashthin at the and it's Constructive Criticizm from the Rhythm Deep album

[@deetgeluid]

Basically a huge pizza oven.

[@mtndewman1022]

Why dave, WHY did u have to go to sabian???

[@swatiacharya_]

Why am I watching this ? Instead of watching cymbal reviews ....

[@robertdemaree6666]

Zildjian has65 Percent of the market worldwide so what's up

[@sethl.1593]

Isn’t sabain just a branch of off Zildjian? Like brothers or something?

[@rafaelrodriguez3270]

Actually no. They are separate companies. Both owners are from Zildjian descendants but because of some family issues Bob left and began Sabian.

[@RogerBiwandu]

Damn, Vinnie and Dave left...

[@numlol1]

Sabian is ran by the same family as Zildjian, but they're not parent companies.

[@Super_Dan27]

super dave @5:32

[@MichaelTNewell]

"Today we have Neil Peart." ahahaaaaaeeeeh

[@DrummingMoose]

Michael T. Newell Except now that he's with Sabian. The results? Paragon

[@bensommerMusic]

I live in the shit-ass little working class Massachusetts town where Zildjian is headquartered! So funny - Istanbul to here...

[@Customwinder1]

I know one of the secret ingredients.

[@enjoichoclate5]

neil peart plays sabians

[@drumd00d]

I feel bad for the guy testing the sound. Must make you deaf after weeks/months of that

[@ekkanofiqandriyana7325]

No one inthe world can steal my nose

[@luapahcor5039]

5:49 lmao

[@jamy313]

haha paul francis has changer sooo much!

[@trasbata]

SUBTITLES IN SPANISH PLEASE!!!!

[@huarachudo47]

Have you tried learn english? It's easy this days, you know.

[@Samsgarden]

Ha ha. Colaiuta switched to Paiste

[@HermesTrismegistes369]

Haha, Paul Francis was young here! Lol.