Why Don't You Believe In Jesus & His Resurrection? | Aaron - AZ | Atheist Experience 24.13

The Atheist Experience 24.13 for March 29, 2020 with Matt Dillahunty & Jenna Belk.
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[@themplar]

"it depends on what you accept as evidence" what he meant to say is "it depends on how gullible you are"

[@Hazeefam]

he will not admit his god is not perfict

[@themplar]

@@Hazeefam Yup, faith, a position held for no reason and defended against all reason. And all theist sooner or later have to use this type of dishonesty,.

[@dannyspitzer1267]

😆

[@themplar]

@Frances Snowflake But it is. It necessarily is.

[@pauligrossinoz]

@Frances Snowflake - theism may not be _defined_ as a faith position, but there is still no way to remain a theist without resorting to blind faith.

[@Defgunt]

AXP: Why do you believe? Every caller: Yes, I believe.

[@franktherealist481]

@Please Complete All Fields LMAO!!!! Round and round it goes, where it'll stop, no one knows!!!!! LMAO!!!!!

[@Robert44444444]

@ Paul Simon McCarthy - Bingo! and the show could be vastly improved if the call screeners started their interaction with callers by saying something like: "Welcome to the AXP… are you calling to speak with our hosts on today's show? OK, what we're looking for is for callers to share with us what they believe, and more importantly WHY they believe it, or how it is they know it's true… so keeping that in mind, can you give me a brief summary of what'd you'd to talk about today?" The call screeners don't have to "get into it" with the callers… they don't even need to address the "quality" of the rationale, they can continue using whatever criteria they have for determining whether the call gets sent to the cue for getting on the air. Callers will understand they are expected to address WHY they believe as they do and will already have had to think about that before they ever get on the air.

[@thomasmaughan4798]

"Every caller: Yes, I believe." And that is why I don't bother to call. I know why I believe and I don't feel a need to persuade anyone. Still, I don't like bad logic and your comment is bad logic.

[@Robert44444444]

@ Thomas Maughan - "And that is why I don't bother to call. I know why I believe and I don't feel a need to persuade anyone." That makes perfect sense, but it does make one wonder why then you'd watch/listen to the show and comment here. Also, what part of whose comment demonstrates bad logic? The OP's point is the majority of theist callers completely ignore the "2nd half" of the CLEAR INSTRUCTION to call in (if they like) and "tell us what you believe & WHY". I would be the 1st to concede perhaps it's a failure on the part of the show's staff (maybe the call screeners) to get that message across, but it seems more likely to me the message is ignored in favor of just wanting to spout off what they believe without offering any rational support for those beliefs.

[@thomasmaughan4798]

@@Robert44444444 "it does make one wonder why then you'd watch/listen to the show and comment here." It's fun. Why is anyone here? I'm pedantic. Where else can one participate in rigorous but utterly futile arguments? It is a field filled with strawmen! Bad logic is "every caller". It is unlikely that the writer of that comment is accurately reporting every caller, it is unlikely that the portion that says "I believe" stops with that but might include WHAT exactly he or she believes; since it may be that a person believes some things, not other things and perhaps provisionally some things. A more subtle bad logic exists; and that is a demand for a thing that is so extremely unlikely as to be impossible, and that is for a demand for proof that is extraordinary and yet not repeated for everyone that demanded extraordinary proof for all time. That is to say, if an eternal god raises the dead, then it would be routine, and not extraordinary and thus also not proof of "god". Matt wants a demonstration that is indisputably unique and that means it cannot have been demonstrated to anyone else and it must be something he cannot do with scientific instruments. However, nothing is written about HOW resurrection takes place and whether the resurrected person is actually the one that died, and what that means; since the molecules now in my body weren't there 10 years ago for the most part; it is a continual stream of replacements and yet "I" am "I" despite that. Scientifically, then, a resurrected person probably has the same DNA, but not the same actual body because nobody alive has the same body they started with anyway. Now if I clone your DNA and insert memories, how will you know that you are you? You won't and you can't. You might have been cloned yesterday. Can you prove you were not? No, of course not. It is merely unlikely. Now the main problem with death is depolarization of the brain. Tissues can be kept alive or at least revivable for quite a long time. Resurrecting Jesus after only a day or so would be extraordinary in his day, somewhat extraordinary in modern times and would seem to require, at least for now, some means that will seem miraculous to prevent depolarization.

[@songswithcam669]

It’s like clockwork: Caller avoids the question, changes the subject/Matt repeats the question/Caller gets offended for being interrupted. Yeeesh!

[@nfrick1]

I recall my reaction when I was 6 and they told me the resurrection story. "Jesus died on the cross and resurrected", they said. "And then he showed himself to all people to show he was the son of God, right?", I asked. "No, he showed himself to a few apostles and then raised to Heaven", they said. "That was NOT the best plan", I thought.

[@24magiccarrot]

The earliest copies of Mark which is the earliest gospel don't even have the apostles seeing the risen Jesus, they just find an empty tomb, the claims of seeing a risen Jesus were written years after the original.

[@FackeYu]

this definitely happened and you definitely thought this when you were 6. i totally believe you. anyway, i'm a nigerian prince and i need your help. pls send 50k $, you'll get 50 billion spacebucks back tomorrow.

[@Nocturnalux]

My country was founded, to some extent, around a mythical story about the first king: in the eve of a major battle against Moorish troops, he prayed to Jesus and lo and behold, Jesus appeared to him as his troops! Jesus did not appear to the Moorish troops, thus dragging the conflict for another century or so. Funny how that works, isn’t it?

[@juanausensi499]

@@FackeYu I was 4 when i started making similar mental experiments about religion. People develop at different speeds.

[@democrat7441]

Jesus died in an electric chair. So I wear a necklace with an electric chair on it. The churches have electric chairs on their roofs.

[@FanboySpawn]

"I'm going to ask a *yes or no* question", proceeds with question and gets "let me explain". This is the most hilariously observable point of realization in a conversation when particular minds attempt to work around the logic that just confronted their entire belief system in one question. Lol

[@FanboySpawn]

@iAnarchist I'm apologize, but I'm not sure what your comment means exactly.

[@FanboySpawn]

@iAnarchist I appreciate the approval, perhaps we're distant relations. Lol

[@FanboySpawn]

@iAnarchist I consider myself an Apatheist & Existential Nihilist in correlation with irrelevancy being my assertion in most cases.

[@FanboySpawn]

@iAnarchist its been my pleasure.

[@FanboySpawn]

@iAnarchist I find the topic to be ultimately *moot* but nevertheless interesting from logical perspevtives. However, I seldom engage in arguments or aggressive discussion *(if possible)* due to my unique perspective. Atheist often take the stance of "I don't know" which is absolutely acceptable, however I prefer the stance of "I don't care" it's much simpler. Furthermore, I'm glad I helped in your discovery of new terms and the understanding of yourself, good luck with your pursuit of not only knowledge but yourself as well. Perhaps, not so distant relation after all.

[@aitorgonzalez4657]

One thing that truly grinds my gears are when people work so hard to dodge a question.

[@wunnell]

Exactly. Matt would have let him provide his explanation if he had just been prepared to answer honestly when asked a question. If you can't do that, why should you get to provide the explanation that is built on that dishonesty?

[@aitorgonzalez4657]

wunnell Thank you! I think conversations and debates would be far more interesting and constructive if people (and referring to theists mostly) could just simply answer a question. I encounter this often and when they avoid answering my question, I can only assume it’s because they know they can’t answer it honestly.

[@mr.d.8121]

Theists cannot answer lots of questions honestly because they spend their lives lying, mainly to themselves.

[@holychitlingravy]

@Frances Snowflake hey Bible Belt person what's a fake. Let's have your real name and address. I suspect you're going to dodge this one

[@bobs182]

@@mr.d.8121 Yes, convoluted lies as one has to keep making up more and more to explain the falsehoods.

[@Lonewolf---]

The question is, why WOULD you believe in Jesus and his resurrection, based on nothing more than copies of copies of translations of copies of a collection of ancient texts, written by various--and in some cases, anonymous--authors, which is filled with errors, contradictions, and immorality?

[@SuperSglenn]

@drew quick yeah, it exists. that does not mean all of it is true.

[@larryborsa4396]

@drew quick There's also proof of Harry Potter in a book.

[@NeverTalkToCops1]

@drew quick DSOAS

[@isuckharderthanlife5413]

@drew quick Are you a YEC?

[@Robert44444444]

Because unlike you and me, those who willfully choose to believe… they like the story… which in and of itself is fucked-up.

[@mischarowe]

"Why don't you believe this thing I can't prove?" Why don't you stop asking people to be stupid?

[@reallifelegend4781]

I don't think I remember hearing anyone say it couldn't be proven, only that it couldn't be empirically tested. But neither can the proposition that no propositions are meaningful unless they can be verified empirically. So....

[@Nivola1953]

Real Life Legend this what Matt is asking all the time. What historical type of evidence do we have outside the Godspell? Do we have records in the Roman empire documents, or the locals authorities records of Jesus life and crucifixion? Do we have any evidence that this type of supernatural event ever occurred before or after and what could be the explanation?, this is the testable part.

[@mischarowe]

@@reallifelegend4781 It can't be proven. With the information that theists are saying it can. We have nothing to compare it to. An ancient claim that someone was brought back to life holds no weight - or at least it shouldn't - because we have no proof *anyone* has ever risen from the dead. If something can't be tested, it also can't be proven - you have to test something to prove it. If it can't be tested or verified it is meaningless. Like a sensational claim that can be *dismissed* due to lack of evidence.

[@mischarowe]

@Frances Snowflake "There are an infinite number of possible things I can't rest which are reasonable to believe" Prove it. Name every single thing in that "infinite number". "It's completely irrational to only believe proven things" Bullshit. It's illogical to believe something there's no evidence for.

[@gerardt3284]

@Frances Snowflake In the context of extraordinary claims, it's perfectly rational to not believe something when there's a lack of valid evidence.

[@dannyspitzer1267]

It's hard to believe that in 2020 people still believe in a resurrection, SMH

[@rookmaster7502]

Because they want to live forever. They are horrified by the thought that their existence may be limited. Believing in this Bible junk gives them hope that they indeed can live forever.

[@JamesRichardWiley]

A crucifixion and resurrection instead of a simple apology and removal of free will.

[@glennhollier7562]

Its harder to believe that man evolved from a rock

[@glennhollier7562]

@@rookmaster7502 ok lets test your intellect? KZbin can the bible be trusted by David Assherick. Are you up for a challenge my friend.

[@Simon.the.Likeable]

@@JamesRichardWiley You don't have to believe anything about rocks if you don't believe in the resurrection. You know that. You're just being vociferous.

[@revgid]

"God came down in human form to sacrifice himself TO himself . . . " Matt's perfect summation and stump speech. I should be paying him royalties!

[@JamesRichardWiley]

An all powerful Hebrew desert god that cannot make a mistake comes into human form to be crucified so he can forgive his creations for disobeying him after he gave them free will to do so. You could not make this up.

[@dukadarodear2176]

You could make it up...it's already made up.

[@Totaro17]

You can only make that up

[@dukadarodear2176]

@@Totaro17 Yep. Write it down.

[@paulschlachter4313]

Fun fact: an ancient Egyptian inscription suggests the name Yahweh originally ment "he blows".

[@fernandodingler372]

A radio active spider bites a teenager Who then gains superpowers And calls himself Spider-Man He can climbs up walls And shoot webs And takes down bad guys And protects the people of New York You could not make this up...

[@dj33036]

Because the Bible told me so. lol

[@JamesRichardWiley]

Which one of the contradictory narratives is your favorite?

[@margaretbarrett6087]

Every word of the bible is true! - but when the words group together to form sentences, that’s when the crap begins.

[@ATOK_]

Well then it has to be true, right?😂

[@ATOK_]

@@margaretbarrett6087 that is the best thing I have heard all day😂

[@margaretbarrett6087]

ATOK _ 👍

[@mongo1228]

Those Christians would make amazing running backs on an American football field, they can sidestep anything 😁😁

[@jonathanallard2128]

Aaand completely concussion proof! You can't damage a brain if you don't have any!

[@thomasmaughan4798]

Some are and some do.

[@alexkilgour1328]

He was trying to sidestep, but Matt pinned him down.

[@EdwardHowton]

I dunno, I'm pretty sure that you have to be able to locate, step onto, and stay on the football field in order to play, and I doubt Aaron would be capable of following directions like "Walk through that door there and go outside." without getting confused and trying to explain why it's his mailman's fault that he can't dress himself properly.

[@mongo1228]

@@EdwardHowton I suppose that you are right, to be able to play properly and honestly you may have to take your blinkers off so you can see the whole field, not just tunnel vision

[@timlevis3630]

You cannot fix stupid. No doubt,Matt does try.

[@theunholinesswithin70]

So don't even try to, just question everything the stupid says until it gets aggravated and goes away.

[@reallifelegend4781]

@@theunholinesswithin70 the only one who got angry and went away was matt, who also would not allow the fellow to present his argument. As a result, matt demonstrated strong insecurity in his own position.

[@meloveAi]

@@reallifelegend4781 Matt got angry due to question-dodging. Cannot seem to answer any question, arguments are wasting time when script-reading comes before honest conversations, do not have time for BS.

[@reallifelegend4781]

@@meloveAi Yeah i know. he seems to be easily angered when his double standards don't seem to go his way.

[@meloveAi]

@@reallifelegend4781 No double standards there.

[@Dalonghair]

*Wesley:* “A few more steps and we’ll be safe in the fire swamp.” *Buttercup:* “We’ll never survive!” *Wesley:* “Nonsense. You’re only saying that because no one ever has.”

[@chriskelly3481]

"It's really quite lovely."

[@jmaniak1]

Good evidence might be convincing but since there is no evidence at all there is no reason to believe.

[@dwightschrute8726]

Well for the record you can test past events- geology, archaeology, paleontology, etc. Unfortunately for Christians that’s how some biblical events are disproven.

[@thomasmaughan4798]

Past events cannot be tested. In many instances past events leave evidence or residue that CAN be tested; but it is difficult to assure that only one single cause of any particular evidence exists. Radium eventually decays to lead. But does that mean all lead was once radium? I think not. It might have been radium, it might have been a blend of lead and radium, it might have come out of some primordial supernova already lead and only lead. Biblical events generally cannot be disproven. They can certainly be judged to be extremely unlikely. How exactly would you go about proving your own existence as of five minutes ago? You cannot.

[@dwightschrute8726]

Thomas Maughan Those are good points, DISproving something is impossible in a lot of cases. My wording would have been better to say: the testing that we have available shows that many biblical “events” are highly unlikely to have happened based on the evidence.

[@petersinclair3997]

Thomas Maughan Interesting post. Wouldn’t the radioactive decay (gamma radiation?) from the radium leave a signature on its immediate environment, leaving a footprint? If the footprint has been lost to time, recall science merely presents conjectures to be confirmed or refuted (Popper). Where the opportunity exists, statistical modelling can measure probability, error and the relationship between constructs. We know that if you exited the elements sufficiently their atoms would not form, here, we could reproduce the conditions of past universe. You could be a brain in a vat impregnated that five minutes ago with your belief in the Bible, by a mad scientist from a non divine realm.

[@thomasmaughan4798]

@@petersinclair3997 Yes to radium decay but the distance into the past that can be measured is somewhat limited, although considerably longer than carbon-14 decay. These decay measurements are used, in part, to calibrate geology and then geology can be used to go back even farther once you have reasonable estimates of rate of sedimentation and so on. "You could be a brain in a vat impregnated that five minutes ago with your belief in the Bible, by a mad scientist from a non divine realm." Indeed, and good science allows for that remote possibility. But as there's nothing to test, essentially all scientific effort will be put into things that CAN be tested and measured. Where atheists go off science is concluding that things cannot exist if they cannot be measured. This is not a proper conclusion; the proper conclusion is no conclusion! Work with what you've got, acknowledge a small fraction of possibility for things that are ephemeral and thus not suitable for laboratory measurement, and go with what you've got.

[@petersinclair3997]

Thomas Maughan I am unsure whether atheist scientists would be as fixed and dogmatic as you state, noting there exist qualitative and quantitative research approaches and in some disciplines, both. Building a basic mathematical model would require running constructs through rotating factor analyses to test reliability and validity. Here, one needs confidence in the constructs, especially, if extending to structural equation modelling, using, say, partial least squares. Can one achieve the aforementioned for societal constructs? Yes, if data collection is trustworthy. This would prove very difficult with ancient data, for one building a statistical model; owing, to a lack of confidence in sources. Attempts at qualitative historical research would also have same issues, with regards confidence in sources, with contemporary researcher personal biases and, also construction biases by the contemporary researcher and ancient writer. Also, the motives of the ancient writer, need to taken into account; wherein, for example, might a political aim, have led to embellishing the events around (even a historical Moses) and the Exodus? Taking a reading of history approach, to the Exodus, as best as I know, there is no mention of major Exodus events by the Egyptians nor the Ancient Greeks, who did record Egyptian history. Six hundred thousand plus people taking forty years to travel a few hundred miles, without leaving a significant archaeological record? Problematic? From the time of Sumer to OT times, from what I have read, it was more likely nomadic tribes would raid settled communities and city states, than city states expelling populations on mass. Even, if one builds a non statistical model, the Bible still is at odds with accepted historical events. Working with what is to hand from history and archeological artefacts during, say, the Axial Period through to the Fifth Century CE, the weight of evidence, suggest gods are created time and time again for political, societal and superstitious agencies. One can build a strong case for significant reasonable doubt against Zeus or Yahweh, without a p-value, I put. p.s. Research Methodology typically contains a Limitations section.

[@tedgrant2]

The other day I visited my local cemetery and as I sat on a bench, a miracle happened. All the graves opened and the dead rose up and met Jesus in the air ! After this, refreshments were served on the clouds by the angels of the Lord. Sausage rolls, chicken wings, cheesecake and my favourite, chocolate ice cream.

[@steveswangler6373]

no angel food cake?

[@tedgrant2]

@@steveswangler6373 That was for afters !

[@MaxxMcGeePrivate]

Matt has no patience at all anymore, he's so fed up with these people. :D

[@robertallan6373]

And I can't blame him.

[@derekmizer6293]

I have reached my end with these idiots too. I used to be just an atheist but now I am a anti theists. The disease that is religious "thinking" needs to come to an end

[@kescho24]

No wonder.

[@philip9083]

With respect to Matt. That's why he's bald.

[@robertallan6373]

@SigmaTauri2 I agree, it certainly must be frustrating.

[@jonathanconnor7920]

_Whose fault is it we don't have evidence of the resurrection?_ "It depends on what you're willing to accept as evidence." *TRANSLATION:* "It depends on how gullible you are."

[@hank_says_things]

I want to carry this caller into battle like a shield - he could deflect a frickin tank shell.

[@hiimain7932]

🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂 The caller is dodging the questions that will pin him. Hahhahaha

[@TheRealCatof]

Why do christians keep asking this question? The answer is simple, you have no evidence of jesus, nor that he was a zombie.

[@NeverTalkToCops1]

Bob Dole correct. Bob Dole.

[@Tenly2009]

Are you kidding? No evidence he was a zombie? I can point to millions of brains 🧠 that he has devoured! How does that not count?

[@thomasmaughan4798]

"Why do christians keep asking this question?" I have no idea and neither do you. PS: What question? Anyway, why do all atheists ask why all christians do this or that? Well, there is no all atheists, and there is no all christians.

[@Tenly2009]

Thomas Maughan Are you drunk? C’mon - be honest... Are you nitpicking about the commenters use of “all Christian’s” instead of “most Christian’s” or “‘many Christian’s” - or are you literally saying that there’s no such thing as “the set of all Christian’s” or “the set of all atheists” - because there certainly are. And both groups do share at least one thing with everyone else in that group. As a member of the set of all atheists - I am supremely confident in my ability to speak for the entire set of us when I say “None of us believe your claim/assertion (or anyone else’s claim or assertion - that a God exists!”

[@thomasmaughan4798]

@@Tenly2009 "Are you nitpicking about the commenters use of all Christians?" Was it that obvious? When persons are acting superior and scientific they really ought to do it with good logic and language precision.

[@wickedcabinboy]

"So, there's no evidence you'd accept..." in response to Matt's description of precisely the evidence he'd accept. SMH.

[@brudno1333]

I'll paraphrase a comment I read elsewhere: Similarly, it has puzzled me as to why God would wait to resurrect Jesus when nobody was around to witness the event as it was happening. Why didn't he perform the resurrection in plain view of the multitudes, moments after the death of Jesus? Why all the mystery?

[@Brugar18]

I wouldnt be surprised if someone woyld claim that it has certain respawn time. But yeah more eyewitnesses(litteraly everyone that witnessed execution or partaken it) -more sufficient than his followers claiming they seen him after 3 days.

[@derekmizer6293]

Mysterious ways, my friend Mysterious ways. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@thomasmaughan4798]

Some things are easier to do NOT dragging a body around; there is a hint of this in scripture. As to WHY no witnesses of the actual event, a purposeful god could have arranged it if that was his purpose. Clearly, it was not his purpose or more specifically it achieves his purpose to NOT have eyewitnesses of the resurrection. As to why that might be, I have some pretty solid ideas but you seem sufficiently intelligent that you could figure it out and probably be correct or nearly so. As a hint, I am going to suggest something rather un-Christian in an evangelical sort of way; what god wants is for you to choose a path through life, of your own free will, and what is wanted is for you to care for your neighbors (charity; not handout, but charity, assistance, compassion) because it is what you choose to do and not because last Saturday someone rose from the dead and its no big deal it happens every day. That is to say, the more god does something the less miraculous it becomes. Miracles convert no one, not for long. You change yourself or you don't change at all.

[@Brugar18]

@@thomasmaughan4798 bullshit explanation, just vecause didnt proved that clearly to humans just raised a lot of cinfusion that some people even tend to kill each other over it. If it proved more clearly we would at least close this case and get on with out lives

[@MasterSpade]

Because that would make too much sense. But the top EXCUSES from the religious: 1. God works in mysterious ways................(this is their white flag!! along with "I will pray for you".. lol!) 2. It would interfere with Free Will...............(even though their "holy" book says everything is Predestined!! lol!!)

[@ant9925]

What does it say about the human race when we are still having to talk about why we don't believe a man rose from the dead? "Rose from the dead" think about that for a second!

[@thettguy]

There was not a single incidence of resurrection. Lots of people came out of the grave when Jesus ascended into heaven - according to the buybull.

[@chadrasmussen6127]

Who made god

[@jpats6124]

Good for you Matt. When people can actually answer straightforward questions in a straightforward manner we will be in a much better place.

[@MizzouRah78]

Matt: yes or no better be the next words out of your mouth or I'm hanging up. Caller: I'm going to explain... Matt: Goodbye. 🤣

[@Locust13]

"exactly" Translation: "I'm not listening to what you are saying, please stop talking so I can continue with my script"

[@88marome]

I would be perfectly fine accepting that Jesus was crucified, declared dead and woke up 1-3 days later. Plenty of people have been declared dead and woken up several days later, even in modern time. But I can not accept without evidence that the reason he woke up was that he was resurrected by a god or magic.

[@thomasmaughan4798]

"I can not accept without evidence" Thank you, one of the few less rude comments on this page. People that accept anything without evidence can too easily be manipulated.

[@bobs182]

The odd thing about supernatural events happening is that the supernaturalist has to first believe in a natural order for it to be overturned. Supernaturalism is an oxymoron.

[@yep_2431]

The first thing that would help the validity of the resurrection would be if all books got their story straight on it 😂

[@kandoundou23]

Jenna reaction 7:09 to his answer has also been my reaction to any crazy thing that theists will say to avoid using logic because their brains won’t let them contradict themselves LOL. For some people like Matt it drives them crazy but for me it’s comedy GOLD LOL 😂

[@coffeeaka5569]

Caller " That would be atheist fault " The best replied answer had ever !

[@hhvictor2462]

Jenna Belk's derisive laughter sounded so sweet.

[@GSP-76]

Never knew a yes or no question was that hard...

[@cliffordchapman801]

Love his answer, the atheists' fault. These guys take the frigging biscuit.

[@billyperry6567]

I really wanted to hear what he was gonna say. Lol

[@dalex60]

Screw evidence, assertions, beliefs and what people feel in their hearts, where are the FACTS?!?

[@mewetea119]

thank you guys for continuing to do the show from home

[@Magar6]

The caller will walk away from this call thinking "I never had chance to explain!! Some questions are more complicated than a yes or no answer". I don't agree with the caller by the way, I think he is dead wrong, however he will walk away feeling vindicated.

[@harkema8090]

The fixation on death and blood and fear of sex ( circumsicion ) seems to me the base of religion.

[@Alexagrigorieff]

Circumcision makes sense in dry desert living conditions, with dust and sand getting to your pants and without ready access to water for washing.

[@BrutalKnight55]

@@Alexagrigorieff And then America adopted it as a way to discourage masturbation. Now, as the result of the combination between the "righteous" control of others and an irrational adherence to a tradition born from tribes in a desert, I and many other men have mutilated genitals. Let's just say I was thrilled when I first found out what had been done to me. Makes my blood boil.

[@Hazeefam]

he will not admit his god is not perfect

[@AtamMardes]

The sin-sacrifice-resurrection story implies a superstitious God who values blood sacrifice, which was a common superstitious practice 2000 years ago. They created the God of The Bible in their own superstitious image.

[@MsDjessa]

We could investigate past lot better if early Christians hadn't destroyed so many writings as heresy.

[@thomasmaughan4798]

There is no WE. You can start with writings that have not been destroyed.

[@MsDjessa]

@@thomasmaughan4798 I mean WE in the sense of humanity as a whole. Represented in this case by historians. And yes, we can start with writings that aren't destroyed. Which WE would have more if it wasn't for early Christians.

[@thomasmaughan4798]

@@MsDjessa "And yes, we can start with writings" You simply cannot NOT say or write "we"! So, anyway, humanity as a whole. All 7 billion humans studying the past except that these incredibly powerful Christians have destroyed it.

[@MsDjessa]

@@thomasmaughan4798 Well now I'm going to say it just to annoy you. But seriously, I am not saying Christians managed to destroy all the past. But look up Gospel of Judas. It was quite recently discovered, but it was lost for centuries because the Church didn't like it and tried to destroy it.

[@margaretbarrett6087]

As with all past events, it is a case of ‘history was written by the winners’. There were numerous gospels circulating among early christian groups of radically diverse beliefs, which led to the convening of the ‘ councils ‘ to establish ‘orthodoxy ‘. After that, only those gospels that accorded with the ‘winning’ beliefs were biblically chosen. Who knows how many ‘heretical ‘ writings were destroyed, along with the christians who followed them. The fairly recent discoveries of ‘alternative ‘ gospels of for example Judas, Philip, Thomas and the Gnostics suggest other dimensions of the meaning of Jesus’s ministry

[@mjc8281]

Two of the first three written accounts of Jesus and his life(found in Coptic Monasteries back in the late 1800s) don't even refer to the resurrection

[@sighlow4853]

The reaction Matt gave when Aarron tried to explain his statement.... Love The Atheist Experience from Mizoram🤗♥️♥️♥️♥️

[@24magiccarrot]

The problem is it's always going to be near impossible to prove a supernatural claim. Cause even if we had direct access to supposed eye witnesses to the resurrection it's still more likely that they are either lying, been deceived or are delusional than an actual resurrection took place. Even if we had video of an actual miracle taking place it's still more likely that there is trickery going on rather than actual magic.

[@bobs182]

Believers first accept that it is a supernatural event which negates reality.

[@24magiccarrot]

@@bobs182 Which is the very definition of gullibility.

[@ethansancti2864]

Even if an event could possibly occur, evidence is still needed to prove it did occur.

[@AbleAnderson]

3 broad categories of theist callers: 1. Intellectually dishonest 2. Disagree but intellectually honest 3. Rapport seekers who just want to stroke the hosts a bit and be friendly Category 2 makes for the best calls imo. This call was category 1

[@nickydaviesnsdpharms3084]

I love it when Matt says ''no no no no no no no'' I like what matt says at the last few mins after the call the guy's brain wouldn't let him answer.

[@TheItalianTrash]

You should have brought up the Night of the Living Dead according to Matthew 27:51-53

[@jeffhohreiter9177]

At least Night of the Living Dead had a single plot line, with continuity. You can also prove the actors existed.

[@TheItalianTrash]

@@jeffhohreiter9177 After showing those verses to my best friend he became an atheist.

[@johndoe-ii1ko]

Lol I love it!! But yet jesus' resurrection was something so fucking special😂

[@donald6815]

Jesus was "dead" and buried Friday night. He "rose Sunday A.M. That makes two nights and one day. The Bible says'on the third day, he shall rise. The Gospel writers couldn't even count to three

[@debranelson1987]

Yeah I think Jesus rose at 06:00 am sharp at the crack of dawn.

[@PB-hg2ud]

@@debranelson1987 Dawn should probably wear a nightgown.

[@duncanbryson1167]

Let me explain is a set up for a deflection so they can run back to their comfort zone. If religious people were to answer such questions honestly it would poke holes in their beliefs. When something (nets excluded) has too many holes it falls apart as does any belief when exposed to reason and logic.

[@ianmcmullen1979]

Ahhh i love getting religious ads before these videos, good to see their money is going to a worthy cause!

[@geraldammons5520]

As we all know, he is TERRIFIED to answer that question honestly. Why do theists do this??

[@MrMrh1958]

You’d get more sense from a gnat!🤨

[@Phoenix-King-ozai]

Religion makes people so sleazy and dishonest I know, because i was like that Atleast to myself

[@PacesIII]

Imagine the reaction to the people of this time if someone were saved from choking via the Heimlich Maneuver or resurrected via CPR. It would be seen as a miracle.

[@steveswangler6373]

that happens, in instances like that, people claim it's a miracle or the result of prayer. a child survives an accident, "it's a miracle!" forget the millions of children suffering starvation or physical/sexual abuse every day- god intervened to save this one child. and people believe this crap

[@destronia123]

Aaron: But-but-but I WANT to believe in the resurrection wirhout evidence 'cause I want to feel that I'll continue to live on after I die.

[@tedgrant2]

We are told that when Jesus died, he said quite clearly, "It is finished". But that can't be true. I think the reporter at the scene, must have misheard. I am quite convinced that he said, "It is not quite finished yet ! " The modern version of this statement is, "I'll be back ! "

[@RaptorJesus.]

so tell me christians, why don't you believe that the earth is the flesh of the frost giant Ymir, and the seas and oceans are his blood, you're great god Odin gave you this gift! it says it right there in the Edda! (does that sound silly, christians? good, cos' this is pretty much what we hear when asked why we don't believe your fables.)

[@moirasoma2863]

Of all creation myths, the christian one is the worst. Usually they are made with wonde anfd imagination, the christian one is made with malice and the wish to make all people hate themselves and think they are dirty and sinful creatures for feeling things that are completly normal.

[@matthew6427]

Jenna is so cute, I'm a sucker for smart women.

[@Asa...S]

I just don´t understand why she would paint eyebrows on with a sharpie like that.

[@matthew6427]

@@Asa...S Meh it's not bad. Some women use stamps these days & to me, it doesn't look good. Jenna doesn't overdo it with makeup either. She's a catch is all I'm saying.

[@Darrell7777]

Forget Jesus, someone please explain to me how the hell bell bottoms ever came back?

[@LucianCorrvinus]

Nostalgia and the limited options of possible variations of clothing details that change over time to answer to our taste for novelity....

[@SnakeMan448]

You either have the truth, or you have to dance around answering questions. Pick one.

[@SnakeMan448]

@AT87 Your question is vague. Could you clarify? I'm saying that Christians keep hemming and hawing when faced with tough questions.

[@SnakeMan448]

@AT87 This philosophy is wasted due to the fact that I am merely frustrated by the guy avoiding answering a question with stalling tactics.

[@myoneblackfriend3151]

Jenna came strong out of the gate for the ACA. I very much enjoy her opinions on The Atheist Experience.

[@Arbadee.PayZaLee]

How do you reason with unreasonable people? You don’t. You do not reason with unreasonable people because they are, in fact, unreasonable. To try to do so may fit into the definition of insanity. one form of Insanity is: Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a completely different result. Trying to have a reasonable discussion with someone who is unreasonable and expecting to have a reasonable end to the discussion is simply unreasonable! They will suck you into their circular whirlpool of thinking.

[@petersinclair3997]

R Paisley Very reasoned. 😊

[@rodneyjr7172]

My thing with these people is they can rarely ever just answer a yes or no question. Sheesh!

[@thomasmaughan4798]

But you too are a "these people". Maybe I should write "those people" as there's only two kinds of people on Earth; "these" and "those".

[@Beamin439]

@@thomasmaughan4798 its not that deep bro. dont be a dumbass

[@thomasmaughan4798]

@@Beamin439 "its not that deep bro" And you know this perhaps because you have plumbed the depths of human experience. A more meaningful answer is "these people" are the ones I am talking about and "those people" are also the ones I am talking about, just not right this moment. And then there's me. Superior either these people OR those people!

[@Beamin439]

@@thomasmaughan4798 its not that deep relax

[@thomasmaughan4798]

@@Beamin439 "its not that deep" I haven't claimed any particular depth. But I'll keep in mind your advice, even though you also do not have idea how deep it is.

[@tomdimartino7361]

Matt.. This guy has been on many times and never proves anything!

[@weemac4645]

He proves he's a nonthinker.

[@TheGrandmaster1]

If he has to keep dealing with callers like this it's going to cause Matt to go bald and grey...

[@danielrussell9416]

One would think that someone would have commented on the dead rising out of their graves and walking around the town.

[@davidlockett1370]

After all this time (2 millennia) the whole Jesus thing is less credible than claiming truths about Obi Wan Kenobi.

[@caseysammich2878]

Have you heard the word? Kenobi was risen. Just a little see-through.

[@rbspider]

Exactly. Again a person with no proof.

[@AvNotasian]

@Frances Snowflake Lol, you are a billionaire, I need $100 to save my sick mother please send the money to me. You don't need any proof to believe me right?

[@iaov]

It certainly isn't the smart people who believe in Jesus

[@ernesthastie-gg7kn]

I can't understand how these callers are so gullible and don't even try to understand any logic at all

[@themanjaebla]

It’s weird that he says that there is no evidence that Matt would be willing to accept. Just a minute ago he stated the kind of evidence he would consider for acceptance (was he not listening?). He is not willing to accept anything that you currently have that you call reasonable evidence, because it embraces outside noise and biases instead of eliminating them, so there isn’t a justifiable reason to reach the given conclusion. You shouldn’t accept a conclusion even a moment before correct evidence is provided, even if it means you might not reach some conclusions that may actually be true, since you wouldn’t be justified in believing them.

[@Ozone280]

Surely the starting point should be to establish that the biblical jesus existed in the first place, before talking about any resurrection?

[@bobbybecker3572]

Aaron's fav 80s actor was Alan Thick, and his fav Buddhist monk was Thick Nhat Hanh. I'm sure you can guess his fav musical... Here's a hint: it stars Thick van Dyke

[@tedgrant2]

I inherited a lot of money from my dead relatives, which means I don't have to work any more. If Jesus comes back and raises them from the dead, imagine the legal problems. I hope he doesn't.

[@PeterMasalski93]

You can break down religion in 3 statements: 1) People are dumb now so imagine how dumb and gullible people were 2000 years ago. Would you accept evidence from a person who though constipation was because of evil spirits? 2) You believe what the evironment where you grew up believes. If you had been born in Saudi Arabia, You would have been Muslim. If you had been born in India, you would have been Hindi. If you had been born in a Cult or scientology, you would have believed in god knows what! 3)Religious books are flawed, filled with mistakes and have never predicted anything. For something so holy and perfect it seems that It can't get anything right!

[@tedgrant2]

Bud Abbott read (out loud), "Some people claim it is not dead even now, just dormant." Jesus said, "Our friend Lazarus sleepeth, but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep" (John 11:11). Lou Costello remarked, scornfully, "Now who'd be silly enough to believe that ?".

[@derekmizer6293]

Why can't theists be honest enough to answer a simple yes or no question.

[@AC-gb7do]

If they deviate from the script they use, the meatloaf between their ears overheats when they try to form an original thought.

[@derekmizer6293]

@@AC-gb7do so true

[@sukavuka]

I fucking love this show. Ty to all of you.

[@bobs182]

The simple question about God is why did a perfect god create a world where sin is possible if God didn't like sin? Why would an all-everything God have a delicate ego which could be satisfied by his creation praising him? Why would an eternal god possess all these social human like traits while existing without humans?

[@DefendUrPolicyDontScapegoatLie]

“There’s no evidence of this thing so it’s possible it exists”

[@stevenread5473]

There would be an easy way to determine if Jesus rose from the dead. Just produce Jesus , a walking and talking Jesus that is 2,000 years old.

[@Jesusisimaginary]

I have learned that the single most important thing to do when debating theists is that you don't let them just move on without answering the question, they love to do the dishonest tapdances that they are taught in church.

[@Karl-Benny]

Why is it not Happening today and only 2000 years ago

[@tedgrant2]

I've got an old encyclopedia published in 1923. There is an article about the moon. It says there might be people living on the dark side of the moon. Given what we have discovered since, it now seems such a silly idea. I feel exactly the same way about the stories in the Bible.

[@cowabungga]

What is that encyclopedia called?

[@tedgrant2]

@@cowabungga "The Children's Encyclopedia"

[@jonathanleslie9100]

how do christian's rule out that JC was in a coma for 3 days, and then woke up?

[@jonathanleslie9100]

@SigmaTauri2 that's a red herring. I'm so tired of religious folks answering a question with a different question don't you start doing it. just answer my question please.

[@capitalb5889]

@Edmund Spenser - the narrators of the gospels wrote a long time after his death. Little was known about comas at the time.

[@jonathanleslie9100]

@Edmund Spenser how convenient. At least 3 card montie requires some skill. This is pathetic.

[@jonathanleslie9100]

@@capitalb5889 exactly. and 3 hours can become 3 days over 50 years of telling the tall tale, just like the size of the fish grandpa caught gets bigger every time the story gets told.

[@jon_r_gilbert]

They always assume accepting critical thinking will lead to a gotcha.

[@bobburger166]

Second most important thing one can put into practice; Truth overrides faith, and Wisdom judges both...!! Faith=Selective Truth=Singular Wisdom=Proof Time, perpetual motion

[@psylynt]

respect jenna so much

[@lookingforonetruechristian7396]

Stop trying to talk me out of Jesus being my good buddy who will take care of me no matter how bad my life gets and will make my afterlife bliss for eternity. Matt.. you can't compete with that with rationality.

[@stevo2992]

Lazarus was brought back from the dead, nobody spoke about what he experienced, Jairus' daughter was resurrected, not a word about what she went through. And at the time of Jesus' death all the graves were opened, and those who had fallen asleep were raised and entered the holy city. It appears that resurrection was not that uncommon after all.

[@Mewse1203]

This guy was supremely dishonest. He didn't want to answer because he knew he lost.

[@larrycampbell5760]

Matt: "Did the athiest experience continue to provide a platform for frustratingly dishonest Christian callers during the Covid-19 pandemic? Yes or no." Aaron: "Well, let me explain..." I'm going to keep watching because not answering a yes or no question may make poor Matt explode one of. these days. Thanks, Matt and Jenna

[@glynismclehan4844]

When the doctors told me that my heart stopped and I was put into a coma. So I was on the ventilator for 7 weeks. When I opened my eyes the doctor said "welcome back to life" so I have been resurrected

[@ronthered138]

It is hilarious to me that the bobos do not understand that the hosts will always get the last word. They can claim victory and flap off back to the pigeon coop to proclaim their great victory, but the hosts will always bury them when they are gone.

[@tedgrant2]

Jesus died on Friday afternoon and was buried for three days and three nights (Matthew 12:40). Friday night, Saturday, Saturday night, Sunday, Sunday night, Monday... that's three of each. But we know he was seen alive again one morning, which must have been Tuesday morning !

[@justicemo9090]

Matt should let the cohosts speak sometimes...i was really interested in Jenna's approach