The Atheist Experience 25.41 with Shannon Q and Johnny P. Angel (

[@TheAtheistExperience]

00:00 Intro 02:46 Writer-NY | Distance Is A Measurement Of Time 17:17 Joshua-(CA) | Testimony Is Presented 40:14 Charlie-TX | Naturalism Is Circular 56:27 ACA Promo: Adding One More "Vagina" To The Tally 58:11 Mr. Batman-IN | The Dark Knight Of Logic Is Revealed 1:09:51 Johan-FL | Is It Moral To Withhold Belief Until Justification? 1:24:24 Jim-(CA) | Getting Past The Concept Of A Soul 1:39:29 Outro

[@smochygrice465]

Thank-You time stamp person/s 😊

[@elmolewis9123]

Nice job by the hosts in controlling some of the nutjobs/trolls that called in today.

[@kenthovindscpa9466]

Mr Batman is a bus driver and substitute teacher without a high school diploma (in Indiana this is standard for sub teachers) he is not a science teacher

[@grantm6514]

1:40:19 LOUD outro tune, headphones beware.

[@bilbolaggins3876]

mr batman I would love a conversation with you where we agree the first person who is condescending or misrepresents the views of the other party has to publicly admit they're wrong and delete social media. are you capable of having an honest conversation?

[@greysonvarner5385]

Johnny is so calm and collected and knows how to insert a little bit of humor when he gets the chance makes him very easy to listen to

[@thekububeach]

That Silmarillion stuff is epic .. that really pissed the batshitcrazyman off

[@loki2240]

He's so smooth he could be Louis Cypher...

[@doneestoner9945]

I love it when he pets his dog at the end of the show.

[@bryanaperry8760]

True. He also has this wordsmith thing that makes him a delight to listen to. I adore these 2.

[@ps.2]

Oh gods yes. Anyone who doesn't have time to listen to the whole thing, do yourself a favor and skip to 1:01:00 for the lecture on how the world came to be. It's priceless. "It's in the book, Shannon, it's in the book. And it's proof of itself."

[@somebodyelse9219]

Johnny and Shannon need their own show: Mind your Ps and Qs.

[@lorenzamccoy7512]

The Q's already escaped containment during a certain election.

[@thatsjustgaydude]

@@lorenzamccoy7512 I’m autistic and rarely get these types of quips, but I got this one and laughed super hard. Thank you 😂

[@deusexmarine21]

Ha, I see what you did there!

[@bradweir6993]

Two good.

[@unslaadkrosis9435]

​@@thatsjustgaydude hey me too but i always love coincidental word plays 😂

[@darthmong7196]

He's the science teacher my kids neither deserve or need right now.

[@darthmong7196]

@@Jik239 sounds like a Christian thing to say. Casting judgement on others when you don't know them. But then you guys like plucking stuff out of your butts so I shouldn't be surprised.

[@gmorgan29]

as soon as a caller says he's been to heaven, it's time to move to another caller. they need professional help

[@klaxoncow]

Of course, this would actually include the Prophet Mohammed, who rode to Heaven on a flying horse, so our Muslim friends might not like that suggestion of yours. But you've got a point.

[@lorenzamccoy7512]

Unless he means heaven as a metaphor, but we'll never know because Christians get to cherry pick which parts of the bible are literal or figurative at will in the same sentence!

[@miconis123]

@@klaxoncow Physically going to Heaven is even worse than saying it was a spiritual journey or something like it. It implies that Heaven is a physical place in existence.

[@seasonedbeefs]

@@klaxoncow both are delugionally narcissistic

[@TestTestGo]

The whole purpose of the show is to ask what people believe and why, with an expectation that the beliefs will be religious in nature and therefore on shakey ground. You can't therefore just exclude outlandish claims on their face without giving an opportunity for the caller to give an argument or defence of it. That would give the impression of knocking down strawmen. This particular call I would say was correctly curtailed not because of the heaven claim, but because he was unable to maintain a consistent train of thought. Jumping from topic to topic with little to no connection between them destroys any conversation and is an indicator that the caller may have psychological issues the hosts don't know about and so can't accommodate. A caller who starts with "I believe in heaven because I've been there" and then proceeds to have a discussion about how we can independantly verify experiences etc could be a perfectly fine call.

[@AwesomeShotStudios]

Mr. Batman is good for a laugh, but nothing more. Please stop giving him a platform. He hasn't learned a thing in all his years talking to atheists. It's always the same circular logic shtick. He's so well oiled, that his entire body could probably slip through a straw with no part of his body hitting the sides of the tube. A Mr. Batman soundboard is a better listener.

[@joeincal3125]

"Go get your shinebox."

[@falsenarrativecults6235]

Mr batman deserved every bit of the ridicule Johnny gave him in how the universe came about. 😄

[@andybrace9225]

@@falsenarrativecults6235 great bit of Tolkien as well.

[@Peter_Wendt]

This was Mr. Batman at his most reasonable. If you listen to him on Discord he can barely contain his contempt and anger for anyone who disagrees with him, and simply talks over everyone he encounters and refuses to respond substantively to their points. His understanding of science consists of a series of rudimentary phrases which he loudly misrepresents and he readily hurls childish insults at anyone who speaks with him. A sad, small-minded, loud-mouthed bully.

[@kokotvole2565]

Yes. He is one of the most disgusting human beings Im aware of. Even worse than DD. Much worse than DD. If you dare to venture into discord to listen to him, I suggest to get a bucket ready. You might get nauseus.

[@RickReasonnz]

Aron Ra obliterated him, and it was wonderful.

[@jonny46ba]

@@kokotvole2565 worse than DD? possibly.. but then it all depends whether you would rather step in dog shit or cat shit..

[@seanbirch9663]

@@kokotvole2565 What is it with these idiots calling themselves after cool black clad characters?

[@shanen8031]

@@jonny46ba they are both PoS

[@eljison]

@1:03:46 Shannon explaining how conversations work. That is your recap clip of the week. Pure Gold.

[@ecostarr]

My biggest problem with Charlie was his script. He expected them to defend philosophical naturalism; they didn't. In the end, he was asking them to defend a position they didn't take.

[@cy-one]

Last sentence describes, in my experience, roughly half of apologetic tactics - be it by willful dishonesty or passive, somewhat arrogant ignorance.

[@jonny46ba]

loved the way Johnny and Shannon dealt with Mrbatman.. Well done guys.. love Johnny and Shannon.

[@tacitblack4732]

I don't think I like being lectured about science by "Mr. Batman." But even if he gets his PhD, and becomes Dr. Batman, I'm still not open to listening to a bunch of regurgitated presup nonsense. But I do have one very serious and important question for you, Mr. B: Have you ever danced with Darth Dawkins in the pale moonlight?

[@ROFT]

He doesn't seem to know how to talk to people.

[@iancastor69]

🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣

[@haydensanford1987]

Shannon and Johnny are a great team! Mind your P's and Q's indeed! Lol

[@LukeSumIpsePatremTe]

I don't understand that P&Q reference. Their names have those letters for sure, but is there anything else?

[@kratosGOW]

@@LukeSumIpsePatremTe I think it’s a math reference. If p, therefore q.

[@haydensanford1987]

@@LukeSumIpsePatremTe "Mind your P's and Q's" was an old idiom. It is believed to have started in the typesetting era when the letters placed in the box frame were backwards. If you weren't very careful you could mix up the p's and q's because they appear reversed. It means to be careful or diligent.

[@njones420]

@@haydensanford1987 Exactly...It's a pretty common expression in the UK, it's used more like "mind your manners".

[@IllustriousCrocoduck]

Signs of a liar: 1. "let me ask you a series of questions...". 2. Pretty much anything "naturalism...". 3. Using a script. Presups are not worthy of any platform. They have no valuable insights.

[@BanditQ]

Mouth noises and ear holes? Shannon, you are hilarious. I spilled coffee all over my iPad ROFL

[@falsenarrativecults6235]

Can't stand types like Charlie who are saying we can't comprehend their special version of 'truth', but can't tell us how to distinguish between their truth and our truth.

[@chrisking6695]

Delusional people

[@astrosci8864]

If MrBatman is a science teacher, then I am the Incredible Hulk. SMASH!

[@Heathen.Deity.]

I’m more inclined to believe in the Christian god than I am Mr Bellend being a teacher of any kind.

[@blogulmentheskeptic2663]

I bet you if Mr Batman told you he had cat woman's brain and he's really Catwoman you would believe it.

[@russellward4624]

@@Heathen.Deity. he could "teach science" at some Christian school and by science they mean the Bible.

[@Heathen.Deity.]

@@russellward4624 😂 this is true

[@tempestive1]

@@russellward4624 I hope they don't drive the way they gallop

[@kaelinbrons411]

I LOVE the way the hosts approached Joshua! Gentle and understanding. I bet he left this conversation with a lot to think about!

[@DLKnightstick1989]

The way Joshua talks with the up tick in his voice at the end of EVERY SINGLE SENTENCE is fucking brutal to listen to.

[@JayJay-two]

Australians do this a lot. They turn statements into questions. Fun😂

[@seasonedbeefs]

@@ookeekthelibrarian it's the same guy. The guy who is supposedly banned. That's why he has his speaker on. It was Canadian Catholic. He even went on about some Canada story He's clearly on medication.

[@kratosGOW]

@@seasonedbeefs Hmm… I don’t think Joshua was nearly as obtuse and obnoxious as Canadian Catholic. I’m Canadian and I’ve listened to several of CC’s calls on these different shows and I don’t recognize him.

[@bellezavudd]

In my mind this voice has become the sound of all canadian theists.

[@michaelfurniss_WI]

Can't believe I missed this. The way Shannon and Johnny dealt with Mr Batman was amazing.

[@timetoreason181]

Yup

[@nixxyhasthoughts]

One of us says mouth noises out of their face…😂

[@Eyrie007]

Not taking him seriously was so fun.

[@lorenzamccoy7512]

@@kentonbaird1723 No it's not possible, presuppositionalism is literally how young school age children argue

[@kcnico3819]

No they were rude and disrespectful like usual. Shannon just loves hearing herself talk.

[@johnd.shultz7423]

Id Much rather hear Johnny P. Angel tell a humorous creation story than a sour olde dude pontificate about the bible while promoting himself as" scientific"...

[@MS-iv8zu]

Great show! I loved the call with Jim-CA, so refreshing to listen to an intelligent reasonable coherent conversation, with deep questions.

[@rpg896]

So, Joshua is told not to proselytize and he goes right on and does it.

[@lorenzamccoy7512]

You can't be a modern American Christian without blatant hypocrisy!

[@nicoarmin8997]

My comment exactly. Verbatim.

[@KenRobert]

They like to rev the engine at the stoplight.

[@8044868]

Mr. Batshit Crazy is the love child of Darth Dawkins and Elmer Fudd.

[@Ryuk-IsLife]

This guy thinks he's the voice of science... Really he should assumes his beliefs for real. He should be banned from using any device created by science. Einstein theory of relativity is not real? Allright bud you now can't use any GPS driven device. That includes planes, satellites, credit card payments ++ Imagine how this would fix the anti science problem in the world

[@Ryuk-IsLife]

Litterally just make them assume their words and what it really implies

[@smochygrice465]

Awesome host / calls combo show today :)

[@andrewsarchus7319]

Any child taught science by Mr batman is getting the shortest shrift possible.

[@OneselfDaVinci]

I love when Johnny gets all Silmarillion on us

[@coyoteboy5601]

Is it just me or is Joshua's constant rising inflection at the end of sentences distracting and ultimately irritating?

[@jesusinsocks]

Haha. I found it irritating toO

[@phillipzx3754]

"Is it just me or is Joshua's constant rising inflection..." This seems to have become a popular mannerism over the last few years. I find it annoying.

[@kowoh]

I think that's his passion, new religious people often are in a romance with their newfound faith. It won't stay that way for them. Nothing ever does. It's his new toy 🤷‍♂️

[@lvangirardi]

Imagine sitting around at a party listening to him rant on all night.

[@miconis123]

I hear it a lot from younger people and yes it's very annoying. To my ears, it sounds like they're asking a question or are unsure about their statement.

[@Carlos-fl6ch]

This is probably the funniest thing ever. We got a call from a dude calling himself batman who is trying to plug a fairytale. And he is allowed to be a science teacher. Damn man the world must sure be coming to an end. Keep those idiots away from my kids please.

[@fritzhaselnuss7852]

its just people saying lots of stuff online which nobody can verify and they annot prove....so basically like christianity and the bible you see

[@TheSnoeedog]

@@fritzhaselnuss7852 I haven't gotten to the relevant call yet, but the principles of *charity, reciprocity and intellectual integrity* impose upon us a duty to take claims at face value until evidence to the contrary is presented. To assume the caller is full of shit isn't skepticism, it's cynicism. that said, if the caller is full of shit, I'll be the first (and only, lol) to edit this post to say we should set the sunuvabitch on fire (edit #1) - those same principles are being employed as we (presumably) have a mutual understanding that the claim of being Batman is almost certainly pants-on-fire-bullshit. Absent those principles, I'd be forced to conclude that you lump claiming to be batman, claiming to teach science, christianity and the bible in the same class of claims. I don't think that would be charitable, or implicit of any reciprocated assumptions of intellectual integrity. .....you feel me?

[@Carlos-fl6ch]

Jim. Congratulations. This is precisely the way to learn without presuppositions. Science is not a feeling it's about looking for facts and plausibility. Great call. Not boring at all.

[@adeofbass]

Joshua - "I have hours of things to say" Yeah...no thanks.

[@nicoarmin8997]

He is classic Dunning-Kruger. He doesn't seem to realize the things he's saying about himself are not profound nor compelling.

[@craps.teacher]

1:07:38 johnny is so crazy..... "Go get your shine box" I'ma have to start using that lol

[@rickyd.989]

Someone said why do I pick on religion? Just saw the headline on one of our current affair programs that said, “Afghan Girls watch their futures disappear. The Taliban bans girls from going to school. (Also playing sport.) The christians will say well that’s not ours, but it doesn’t matter, because it still hatches from a belief in a god. Religion, the mere mention of the word depresses me.

[@stvnnmnn]

Some really good thoughts in this episode, thanks Johnny and Shannon! One of the best episodes I have seen!

[@Never-mind1960]

I find it interesting that what the theist claims god wants or does, always seems to coincide with what the theist wants or does.

[@johnfrancis2404]

Astute observation.

[@publicguy1664]

Interesting? or just obvious predictable confirmation bias?

[@seasonedbeefs]

The irony of their narcissism

[@gavsmith1980]

1:04:44 “your worldview must be able to explain every single thing in your world” There’s no way this guy is a science teacher, and in the extremely unlikely event that he genuinely is one, he needs to be fired. “I don’t know everything in the universe” is not a demonstration of a problem in my world view, it’s the honest concession that I don’t know everything, anyone who thinks they have a superior worldview because they never need to admit they don’t know everything, doesn’t have a better worldview, they have a vastly worse one, because it fails to even allow for the undeniable fact that not one person on this planet knows absolutely everything, nor will they ever do so. This Batman dude needs to use his mouth less and his brain more.

[@MrShigura]

“Mr Batman” belongs in Arkham asylum...

[@epicurusstan3223]

@@BobLeach_DarkWolf He is crazy

[@haydensanford1987]

I see what you did there. Good one! 😆

[@kowoh]

He’s the joker with less felonies * rim shot *

[@haydensanford1987]

@@kowoh 🥁

[@johnd.shultz7423]

Babies are not "slaves" period...

[@ajclements4627]

So getting my nephew to fetch me a beer is a no no?

[@johnd.shultz7423]

@@ajclements4627 As long as he gets minimum wage and a dental plan...

[@Locust13]

When Matt isn't on they should rename the show "the long-winded callers ramble forever and get away with everything experience"

[@Shmaples]

Yeah, I have my problems with Matt but I have found that he is one of the best hosts when it comes to keeping callers on track... I find myself getting frustrated when he's not on. It's just something he is particularly good at.

[@yukidaruma6988]

Took the words right out of my mouth. So many rambling callers.

[@Mia-ep4zu]

So true! This was boring and just pointless.

[@harriemeijers9826]

Believers who preach, never listen to others. They don't need to, because they think they know everything.

[@scapegoatiscariot2767]

Mr batman, would you please stop insisting that your God story makes sense and reality doesn't?

[@Ryuk-IsLife]

the guy takes the time to call here and push his BS without a talk, imagine the poor kids that must deal with this kind of guy

[@scapegoatiscariot2767]

@@Ryuk-IsLife the damage people like him cause children is in some cases, irreversible. Although I do not fear what most certainly does not exist, I will always bear the scar of Jesus and his threat of hell.

[@29008000]

Joshua sounds like he really believes what he's saying. I for one don't believe a single thing Joshua claims. Go Shannon!

[@glenhill9884]

Writer disagrees with theists who say God is OUTSIDE of time and space, yet he said God STEPS INTO TIME AND SPACE to create the universe. Same thing, dude. You can't step into something without first being outside of it. (Let's ignore what the hell "outside time and space" really means here.)

[@johnfrancis2404]

Yes, indeed, the entire concept of God as a particular is absurd.

[@briscoerob]

Shannon, I really like your voice in the Intro. You’re a very smart and intuitive girl. I really appreciate that

[@gavsmith1980]

1:03:45 THAT has to be used as an advert for the show, Shannon explaining to someone how conversations work 😂😂

[@phantomofkrankor3665]

Thanks Johnny! I am always quoting the Silmarillion as my favorite creation myth. Eru bless you,

[@jonrendell]

Shannon Q is so delightful.

[@jackthebassman1]

“Mr Batman” claims he is a teacher - he shouldn’t be allowed within 1000 miles of children.

[@etzie1728]

Why do you think he calls himself Mr Batman? To get close to children

[@miconis123]

I can believe he's a teacher. He sounds like a college professor giving a prepared lecture and getting mad when he's interrupted.

[@brandonmcbee1149]

Mr Batman, too kooky even for Darth Dawkins.

[@MMAGamblingTips]

Dude is off the hook craycray 😳 he’s probably still talking lol

[@brandonmcbee1149]

@@MMAGamblingTips he's been around for some time on the discord debate scene. His interactions there aren't any better.

[@kowoh]

Yep seen bats debate on youtube, narcissist who says things like I am never wrong. It's like a child arguing

[@joeincal3125]

Johnny riffing Tolkien is awesome.

[@Never-mind1960]

Joshua - Sounds like the story of every believer says about their mutually exclusive religions.

[@quantize]

I loved this host combo, and this was a fantastic show.

[@mitchhaelann9215]

Joshua can't tell that everyone can tell he's not actually having a discussion, but reading off a script.

[@robinvan1983]

he can't even tell what makes jesus a good teacher or that he drifted so far away from christianity that he doesn't know what it is... HE basically uses it as a badge to show his moral values which is awful

[@mitchhaelann9215]

@@robinvan1983 Ehh, it's really not much more than that. It's a badge for virtue signaling, and a crutch for the morally weak.

[@SadisticSenpai61]

My partner died on the operating table when he was getting a kidney transplant - routine outpatient procedure and he had plans to go out to dinner with his parents after the operation. He woke up almost a week later, confused and groggy and didn't initially believe them when they told him how long he'd been unconscious and that he'd died on the operating table for at least a minute. It wasn't until he went to try to sit up that he realized he couldn't control his body. He has lasting nerve damage and had to relearn how do everything from how to eat to how to walk. He remembers absolutely nothing from when they administered the gas that knocked him out from the operation to when he woke up in the hospital's ICU.

[@gerrye114]

Wild thing about presups like Batman is that they always talk about how the natural laws never change and therefore must come from a god. But their god interferes with natural law constantly. How does that not eliminate Yahweh from the possible god claims?

[@happilyeggs4627]

Charlie from Texas, "What Cannon Shoe said". I spat my tea out, laughing. A wonderful Spoonerism of Shannon Q's name.

[@lexcent6271]

The first caller says his been to heaven and talked to God. Something is not right mentally. I have mix feelings on whether they should take his calls..

[@brentmiller3951]

Please Christians keep sending people like Joshua. He is a great motivation to be atheist

[@digbycrankshaft7572]

And Mr Batshitman

[@elmolewis9123]

Mr. Batman-IN: If this guy's a science teacher, it would explain the mess the education system is in. For his mental sake, I hope he's a troll.

[@imnotdavidxnsx]

As to the first caller, anyone who tries to casually say they've spoken with god knows on a substantially conscious level that they didn't.

[@bradweir6993]

They must.

[@TheScotsalan]

I was thinking that as I browsed the news this morning. US House speaker visiting the pope, and a cardinal in charge of the saints department charged with corruption. 😂. The catholic guy litterly in charge of deciding if god done anything charged with corruption.. 😂😂

[@AbrahamMeat]

Guy could have been schizophrenic. He may believe it.

[@imnotdavidxnsx]

@@AbrahamMeat no. I am fantastic with voice intonation. The guy knew he was full of it...even if he didn't know he knew.

[@NinjaJay_Arashikage]

Writer's god is Dr. Who, basically.

[@kowoh]

But without a screwdriver 🪛

[@holgerlubotzki3469]

Well... we know that Dr Who has saved humanity from total annihilation many times. I saw it on TV! Beats that jesus guy's track record by miles.

[@cubanito219]

@@holgerlubotzki3469 by a couple land slides

[@lethewaterkai]

I thought it was the God of the hokey pokey. Puts his left foot in, puts his left foot out...

[@arthurhunt642]

Most all of us recognize time in minutes, hours, days,, months and years. This being said, we are conditioned to relate longer periods of time as compared to a human lifetime. I study geology off and on and have built a good knowledge of the subject. For me and many others that study geology, the long expansion of time for these processes to take place is one of the hardest to comprehend. This is one reason Creationists believe the Earth is only 10,000 years old or less. Its very hard to teach them anything different than their indoctrination will permit.

[@timetoreason181]

Absolutely!

[@liamsloan5410]

The definition I use for time is the frequency of expression of the universe.

[@johnfrancis2404]

I understand time as the fourth dimension of space, which is in line with what the general theory of relativity describes.

[@gavsmith1980]

Writer - “I see time as a measurement of distance because of the movement of clock hands” That’s because clock hands have different speeds, and speed is a ratio of distance and time, eg miles per hour, or meters per second, so if you know the speed of the clock hands and how much time has passed, you can calculate how much distance the hands have moved. Time doesn’t give you a distance unless you also have a speed. When you do have a consistent speed, the more time passes, the more distance occurs, in direct proportion. Saying “time is a measurement of distance” however, is an oversimplification that’s more confusing than useful.

[@mr.beepers2119]

I wish I knew his audible conversations with God. That would've been funny.

[@njones420]

If a clock had a second-hand 3,240 meters long, the tip would go at the speed of sound :) Yay maths!

[@gavsmith1980]

@@njones420 When you originally said 54 metres long, I didn’t think that sounded right, calculations I did suggested it would be moving at less than 21 Km per hour 😂

[@njones420]

@@gavsmith1980 lol, yup I posted that and instantly thought...that doesn't sound right. XD

[@NinjaJay_Arashikage]

I define time as "The medium in which all matter and energy states progress".

[@IllustriousCrocoduck]

I define it as the change in state of matter and energy.

[@reflexnight]

Johnny, Props for the Tolkien off the top of your head :) you got it right as well that is impressive!

[@asagoldsmith3328]

I always love it when he brings it up as a counterpoint to bible proves the Bible crap, he didn't get it all right though. The Ainur had no hand in creating the children of Illuvatar, that was 100% him. Also the big one is that Oromë didn't create the Dwarves, that was Aulë. Oromë was actually the first of the Valar to discover the Elves. A valiant effort on his part though, it's heavy stuff.

[@reflexnight]

@@asagoldsmith3328 your quite right, I was just in shock that he got the names right! sadly was a little busy with rl to parse it all out, though I did catch the dwarf part. and yes Illuvatar did make the races, though Aulë did make the Dwarves, Illuvater took pity on them and placed them in the world.

[@MatthewCaunsfield]

Dropped in for Shannon and stayed doubly for Johnny! Hope he's on again soon and gets the opportunity to espouse more Tolkein 👍

[@davidwatson2399]

Why are people asking about pre "big bang" cosmology ?? What does it have to do with this show???

[@coletrickle1775]

It's the last place they can hide their imaginary sky daddy.

[@josmith9662]

Science does not presuppose that god does not exist, it simply can not find any god factors to put into the equation

[@NinjaJay_Arashikage]

"Time is the fire in which we burn."

[@deputydog1995]

I like it.

[@cnault3244]

Nice.

[@kowoh]

Malcolm approves

[@robwright8949]

"Dark Knight of Logic" is probably the funniest burn I've ever heard on this show

[@audreygatey1274]

Cute puppy Johnny. If there are no dogs in heaven, I ain’t going!

[@macdougdoug]

Salvation is basically freedom from suffering - suffering is basically a function of fear and desire (aka "knowledge of good and evil") - God is just a metaphor for "reasons"

[@bellezavudd]

So the majority, if not all, of christians have no salvation. Thats becoming more and more evident by interacting with them. They suffer big time. Theyre humans... worshipping a book.

[@timetoreason181]

Best of the best in AE, loved it all along. Batman is an insult to the notion what we call science/s. But this science teacher could not use the *same* yard stick [that is the basis of all sciences, as it is not god or belief system] to prove the Biblical, Christian Covenant. Furthermore Shannon cleared my thoughts on the concept of soul using ATp and the elements that drive for a functioning brain, mind, consciousness, without Na, K etc it is not possible. Wonderful, loved it, loved it. Many thanks to Canada and all Canadians including Jim [my little sister lives there in Toronto] Thanks Johnny Angel for your thought provoking humour, and sarcasm as they are very educational. Say hello to Paulogia. The BEST show ever!!!

[@bpdrumstudio]

So Mr Batman is a scientist who don't know fallacies it seems and has much ignorance in still understanding science

[@TheScotsalan]

I doubt he is a science teacher. I am just an engineer so my science is limited. But even I can explain how laws of physics explains what we see and observe. The phsical laws I understand allows me to specify a motor size to do a task, but do not allow me to explain the movement of galaxies 😂. The bible cant even get Pi correct.

[@JohnStoneDavis]

Yeh and I’m a brain surgeon

[@TheScotsalan]

@@JohnStoneDavis So is Ben Carson 😂😂

[@amtlpaul]

@@TheScotsalan Was.

[@NinjaJay_Arashikage]

I agree with Johnny, conversion stories and atheist deconversion stories make for incredibly boring KZbin viewing.

[@Ken_Scaletta]

At least the deconversion stories are usually truthful and to me they are interesting because I like to se exactly what kinds of questions or arguments are able to crack the brainwashing. Witnessing stories are always just made up bullshit.

[@uninspired3583]

Theists use testimonial as emotional evidence because they don't have something more robust. The interesting part of deconversion stories is looking at the actual evidence, not so much the story itself.

[@tacitblack4732]

Not only boring, but deeply depressing. "You want to tell me a story about how you went from being right to being wrong, and how you think that's an example I should follow? No thanks."

[@uninspired3583]

@@tacitblack4732 lol

[@sunnijo]

Johnny giving the Middle Earth creation myth is my favorite thing Edit: Actually, Shannon speaking east Canadian is my favorite thing

[@brucebaker810]

"Speaking East Canadian" mademe laugh. Never heard quite that before. And I'm Canadian. Shannon is pretty far to the right on the Maritime Space Continuum. Hmm. No, NS would be centre on that scale. But most of the way right from the border POV.

[@justinwolz4932]

Goddamnit! Bane (Johnny P) crushed Batman's back again. He did not mind his P's and Q's.

[@slimjim227]

Time you enjoyed wasting is not wasted time. Except in the case of Writer!

[@haydens5370]

Joshua talked for 23 minutes - why didn’t you cut him off when he didn’t make an argument?

[@MrShigura]

They were too busy sipping drinks.

[@kaelinbrons411]

Ya that would have made sense, I can see where they would have done that. But I also like how they let him explain his beliefs and then presented excellent questions to make him think about it differently. Didn't just expect him to present evidence, but figured out what he thinks and where the flaws are. Good approach imo.

[@letsomethingshine]

Firstly, while Joshua described his beliefs (and sure, not yet getting to the very important point of "why,") they interjected and made clarifying questions/comments about all his minor details of the aspects of his beliefs. For one thing, it helps to be listened to in a conversation as he was making a lot of "nicety" arguments that people like to listen to more, given how extremely liberal/free his beliefs were...and they felt comfortable listening to Joshua not make a total tool out of himself since he didn't have a boring a&& alt-neocon repetitive presup script that they've heard a million times before (since Christian liberals are more fearful/apathetic to debate atheists' logic as apposed to the Dark Agers and others of such fruit from Jesus/Joshua and money-collector Paul/Saul).

[@mr.beepers2119]

I kept saying to myself "I don't care!" What's your point?

[@justincapable]

Meanwhile, at the Legion of Doom ... ShannonQ 2, DD 0

[@epicurusstan3223]

TOM RABBIT

[@lorenzamccoy7512]

@@epicurusstan3223 ohh heyy heyy Tom Rabbit! DID YOU GET THAT TOM RABBIT?

[@justincapable]

Hey YT. Tom Rabbitt likes to record these.

[@tico78742]

You guys are great hosts. There are few people I can discuss these types of subjects with. Really enjoyed.

[@maestrogringo]

I had to re-watch the final call because I gave all my attention to Johnny's doggo the first time round, LOL! 😍

[@darrylperry9645]

I think that Mr Batman is another Darth Dawkins protégé, like Robin from DC

[@vandal280]

Love Shannon's explanation of a conversation 🤣

[@skuuvatakis]

How could spewing religious testimony possibly not be proselytizing. It's preaching.

[@JoeySchmidt74]

I was listening to this while getting over Covid and it struck me that Johnny sounds a lot like Sean Carroll. Great show again peeps and I love it when Q is on, she's so organised despite her thinking she isn't.

[@lexcent6271]

I love how Batman got trolled, good job! Lol!

[@YosemiteOnMyMind]

The conversation with Joshua is going to make my head explode? His inflection at the end of every sentence he says makes it sound like a question? Every time he says something, it makes me feel like Shannon or Johnny should answer him? But then my brain processes his words and I realize that he's not asking anything?

[@IRGeamer]

It's called upspeak and is one of the few criticisms I have of younger generations. It can get so much worse than this is though.

[@robertcox433]

Have one more. Allowing people to believe whatever they wish or not believe as long as it’s not being used as a weapon of bias and a method of legislation towards indoctrination this atheist would have no issue living amongst anyone.

[@gotthasossij]

I can really relate to what Shannon was talking about in the last call as regards to the soul. My own questioning and deciding to be an atheist coincided with when I started to study psychology and sociology. I find neurology to be interesting too it's good to hear somebody so knowledgeable about my favorite topics in science

[@williamwatson4354]

Did Shannon write the famous Q document I've heard so much about?

[@EverythingCameFromNothing]

Q-shANnON…. Coincidence? 🤔 😂

[@ari1234a]

@@EverythingCameFromNothing "Coincidence?" I think not.

[@kowoh]

She hid it very well

[@loriw2661]

Johnny!! Your dog is gorgeous!!! 🐾 🐾🐾🐾🐾🐾❤️❤️

[@oggyoggy1299]

Perhaps Mr Batman hasn’t heard of my magical block of cheese. It accounts for everything. Some call him Chezus. Anyway, happy to have revealed to him the explanation for everything. I welcome him to now share my world view.

[@zecuse]

1:01:28 Great reference to _The Silmarillion_ Johnny!

[@Eyrie007]

I love how you guys just dunked on Mr. Batman.

[@AugustAPC]

All the hosts on this show are amazing people!

[@davidwatson2399]

Mr Batman.🤣😥 The Troll is back.🤔

[@Pohgrey]

Caller: " You partially uncovered my Canadian origins!" Shannon: "Sore-y aboot that!" Lol. I'm just poking fun! Love It when you are on the show, Shannon!

[@miconis123]

I enjoy hearing people talk naturally. I feel like more of their personality comes out when they're not guarding their accent.

[@moonytheloony6516]

Mr. Batman is a mindless philosopher…kinda disturbing that he’s a science teacher, unless…..unless…. he’s only teaching LEGO people, then in that case I really don’t mind that he’s a mindless philosopher.

[@kokotvole2565]

He has done substitute teaching for lower grades in a chistian school.

[@Heathen.Deity.]

Being a Lego teacher would involve a person piecing things together, using items that have been shown to exist. I don’t think he’d cope too well with that. 😂

[@moonytheloony6516]

@@Heathen.Deity. Good point but not necessarily. I should have been more clear. He could be in a normal room with LEGO people in their assigned seats , scrolling endlessly on a dry erase board; all of this of course, is located inside an insane asylum which is why I would not mind him teaching LEGO people.

[@Heathen.Deity.]

@@moonytheloony6516 I just read it again and you were perfectly clear - my mistake 🤦🏻‍♂️ and I totally agree. Saying that, I’m now picturing him teaching a class of Lego people, only for all their heads to spin round to a different facial expression like in the original movie. In this case, the faces would change from a normal smiling face to something like 🤨

[@moonytheloony6516]

@@Heathen.Deity. Exactly and well said, my friend.

[@49perfectss]

Some say Mr. B is still talking to this very day

[@elmolewis9123]

Joshua-(CA): "I'm actually a Christian Socialist and not an... Evangelical or any of that crap." That sounds like the joke and the punchline. However, it was just the usual 20 minutes of "me me me" nonsense.

[@LaserSharkPhotoablations]

Shannon and Johnny's new show...Mind your Ps and Qs