LAB DF3 v Odyssey Square2Square v PXG Allan v Axis 1

[@TheAverageGolfer]

I am away this week so struggling to reply to comments, appreciate all your feedback, chat soon 👍

[@pbode1]

I wonder if the change from a blade putter for Tom is as big as from a big mallet like I used to have. I had high MOI but also means one needs to fight the torque harder I guess. Took me quite some adjustment to get used to my Mezz1.Max: Taking the hands (thumbs!) out of the equation, trusting the arc, letting gravity control the downswing, and the effect of the COG being right under the shaft (depending on applying the right lie), the putter head feels deceptively light for its size. But it does pay off in the end, I never see putts starting offline anymore, that's an enormous win.

[@Steve-es3fc]

Great vid, but please try to get a lesser degree of stereo separation. I can't hear you when you're off to one side. I've a hearing impairment on one side, using headphones, windows of course does not work properly therefore I can't set the balance correctly :(

[@frankquarters]

I bought an Axis 12 years ago and never looked back. It’s perfectly balanced and was one of those infomercials that ya pull the trigger on that actually works.

[@dougiemcbriar1998]

I got the df3 earlier in the year & it took me 3 weeks to get used to it. But now it's fantastic, full of confidence with line etc. No manipulation of hands or stroke just it flow. Great review as always.

[@andyfrizzell4352]

Good vlog. The most of the new putters I've seen together. Good move by Callaway with the price. Now we just need Cleveland or Wilson to bring out the $150-200 versions

[@EveryPuttCounts]

Just what I was thinking too.

[@chetlovesmer9549]

I believe you can get a Tour Edge Face Balanced putter for about $129.00 USD. 👍👍

[@acemakerjay]

I game the DF2.1 so I m a L.A.B. fan boy. All the other putters look really good. I did like how he said he could put it in the bag. Hope you are having fun being away Andy. I head to Florida from NH Friday. Looking forward to warmer weather.

[@Axis1Putters]

Great video! Love seeing that tight dispersion and distance control you got with our Shadow Rose 2.0

[@TheAverageGolfer]

Yes very impressed by Axis 1

[@gegsmurray]

I use the Axis1 Rose and love it! Would recommend to anyone

[@EXGAMER15]

Great video, thank you... Great to hear perspective from golfer who hasn't used the putters....

[@redgreen01]

You hit it out of the park Andy - Tom has a terrific putting stroke, wonder if Scotty will introduce something similar

[@jawsgolfvideo9055]

Elvis smylie uses a scotty cameron prototype, with the centre shaft, on the aussie pga tour (currently).

[@melissaandgeoffhaines9320]

Excellent review, thanks Andy and Tom. However I’d love to see the zero torque notion tested against some (non zero torque) centre shafted putters. (Face balanced) Candidates.. Mizuno OMOI 5; Wilson CS22 and Cleveland HB soft 10.5CS. Cheers Geoff

[@thebutcher3520]

Did my fitting a couple weeks ago, and as of today, my l.a.b. df3 is in my home!

[@pattycatalano1803]

How long did yours take to be delivered? I had a fitting yesterday and I can’t wait for mine to arrive.

[@NelsonAerial]

I'm here in Northern California and actually own all of the versions of the L.A.B. Putters. I'm currently gaming a DF.3 Broomstick. I've literally dropped 7 strokes per round on average just from using LAB Golf! I was not surprised to hear the Golf Pro say he could easily put the DF.3 into his bag today and would use it. He didn't say that about any of the other putters!! That's Awesome!

[@TheAverageGolfer]

Yes they are impressive

[@robchisholm2697]

Very keen to give the Axis1 a roll, love the look.❤❤

[@aarondrossart6026]

@@robchisholm2697 I have a df3 and it has been the absolute best addition to my bag.... ever. it's legit unbelievable.

[@Michael.Sandoval33]

Always good to hear Northern California be dropped! Haha, living in Long Beach now by way of San Jose. Cheers man 🍻 been thinking of going LAB as well (the OZ.1i is clean)

[@NelsonAerial]

@ I’m originally from South OC Coto de Caza, near Mission Viejo… I’ll definitely be buying the new OZ.1. Could solve the off putting look of the LAB putter line. Cheers! Happy Thanksgiving! 🦃

[@legend9018]

I currently game the Lab Link putter which I really love. It took some getting used to initially with the center shaft design but it is extremely stable. I got a chance to try the odyssey square to square putters today and one thing that really jumped out is how the putter lies on the ground. I like to sole my putter so it rests in a flat, natural position. Every model of the callaway when I let the putter sit and sole itself immediately shut the face and I found them very difficult to align. This is because of the forced forward press that callaway has incorporated into these models. I really wanted to love the callaways because I find all the head shapes available in the square to square design very appealing but I just could not get on with them. I also tried axis putters but did not like the sound/feel of them and the shape wasn’t for me. Unfortunately the pxg is not one you can readily try at the local golf shop so can’t speak for that one.

[@jimmyp6049]

Great video. I am waiting on Black Friday LAB sale in US to pull trigger. I have hit a stock one at my local PGA store and really like it, I’m sold on the technology and the forward press!

[@JohnnyP400]

Tuesday the 26th starts 20% off use code THANKS20

[@aarondrossart6026]

you won't regret it.

[@1striperon]

Thank you, Andy and Tom. I like this sort of test. Tom did a great analysis, I thought.

[@josephroberts6865]

Interesting. I thought with that PXG cap that this might be a skewed test but actually found it to be very revealing and factual based on the test subject’s remarks. Well done!

[@TheAverageGolfer]

Nope we don’t do biased on this channel

[@kappysflies]

Been gaming an Axis1 for a while love to see it! Great video!

[@tronner10]

Good to see the love for LAB in the comments. Bill Presse invented the first DF (Directed Force then) putter and all the iterations since, and these other companies are racing to copy / catch up. Imitation really is the sincerest form of flattery.

[@jpugolf1727]

Good review as always Andy. Shared it to a golf friend who's looking at this type of putter.

[@wartoga4248]

I love the center-shaft putters. There do not seem to a lot of them around. though. Thanks for the vid.

[@mikepugh2806]

I am still happy with my Meridian Charleston Anser-type putter, but think the zero-torque concept seems interesting. Rather than spend over $400 on a new putter, I bought my first mallet on eBay to try something different. My center-shafted Rife Barbados has a forward lean neck and very nice alignment lines. It’s probably 12 years old and cost $70. While it’s not truly zero-torque it has similar aspects to the new Odyssey putters. I’ve gone back and forth between the two for the last 3 months and feel I have more issues with distance control than line or stroke. I doubt a zero-torque putter will help me judge the speed on a downhill left-to-right breaker than a conventional putter.

[@lkae4]

DF3 really does stand apart from the others. I think part of it is the Accra shaft. Part is the milled aluminum. Very claasy and deserves a try.

[@ivancamphor2886]

Tom is a legend and really appreciate his clear unbiased opinion

[@TheAverageGolfer]

Yes an absolute legend 👍

[@kevinthorp1419]

Struggle to try or ever seen an Axis 1 putter. Likewise with the LAB and PXG. All three are near or over £400. But now Odyssey are in this game and next month they will appear in most pro shops to try and they are less than £300. Accessibility and price means I’m keen to try this technology. Just wouldn’t buy a putter I couldn’t try first. Or pay over £400.

[@jensjurgenhartel1047]

How much do you pay for your driver and how often are you using it in comparison to a putter ?

[@rickhammel9541]

I got the Jailbird, doesn't feel much different than my Odyssey 7 that's face balanced. I feel like the whole thing might just be a marketing gimmick. I tried to swing a few of my putters while lightly pinching the grip at the very top with two fingers to see how much torque you can actually feel while letting the putter sway back and forth. There's such little torque created by each of my putters, I don't think it's anything that's causing any misses beyond your normal putting stroke

[@TheAverageGolfer]

It’s interesting, whilst I’m not questioning your personal results, there is twisting in ‘other putters’ which differs among styles that’s a fact rather than an opinion, if you don’t feel it impacts your results then I understand you don’t feel any benefit from zero torque 👍

[@rickhammel9541]

@@TheAverageGolfer agreed. I tried a LAB DF3 at the golf store, didn't feel like anything radically different than putters I'm using.

[@tyler7146]

100% correct. They gotta find new ways to sell clubs.

[@mattneedham3595]

Love these comparison videos I’ve tried the pxg and the odyssey and really didn’t like the pxg. Too big and chunky and always felt like I was aiming left. The odyssey however I loved and feels incredible. Defo my next putter

[@timdench2583]

Great video Andy. Super putting action from Tom

[@johndomutz1052]

I liked seeing this 4-product comparison from a pro who has not seen or used one before. Thank you both. 😊 PS - I wonder if he will go back and give some intel to his Titleist colleagues?

[@TheAverageGolfer]

I am pretty sure Titleist will be well aware of each of its competitors product lines

[@high_alpine_golfer]

When used to a Scotty blade, a comparison of his gamer with the LAB Link.1 would be interesting

[@jamesmcevers2605]

I have the PXG. I like it but it does require getting the time to develop feel on distance putts. It will shine on line and distance. It is going to be more difficult on short breaking putts. My gamer is a Scotty Cameron. Will see what works the best in a year.

[@randallpennington5976]

Looking forward to the new LAB and trying the PXG and all the other brands that think about us lefties! Also they must be custom fitable!

[@johnoxley1946]

The most notable comment in this video was that of the 4 putters tested, the ONLY one that the pro said he would put in his bag immediately was the DF3. I would also hazard a guess that all 4 putters were standard build off the shelf, which makes the choice of the DF3 immediately into the bag an even stronger recommendation as far as I'm aware it is the ONLY one that can be custom fit.

[@garethmorgan7474]

Odyssey all the way I say, great video Andy

[@paulkellygolf3671]

Interesting that he mentions he tends to leave it to the right and needs the release of the toe hang as it's actually the exact opposite. Toe hang require more effort to close and are generally used to reduce a pull.

[@Atkogolf]

Must be why I miss so many !

[@nealfreeman01]

Interesting perspective. I bet the other styles of the Callaway S2S would be great for him to experiment with.

[@TheAverageGolfer]

Yes he tried the others but we could have gone on all day

[@milobeauchman2602]

I like that he had more feed back on the LAB putter and made more putts. Funny since you are wearing a PXG hat

[@JoeCoulson-pf3wb]

Lab is 🐐

[@mrneutral5081]

The key comment for me was the pro saying he wasn’t sure about the placebo effect. I say this because I have a number of putters both blade and mallet, some are limited edition models purchased for collecting only. I am not a good putter so I decided to go for a fitting. My favourite putters are blade style but when I was fitted, the Scotty Phantom X 5.5 mallet had the best results for me but only marginally over the blade. As the mallet performed marginally better I decided to try the L.A.B mallet range to see if I could achieve greater gains. I don’t personally think the L.A.B mallet range are particularly attractive but if it’s works I thought I could get over the look. I did not put well with any of the L.A.B mallets but was surprised by the L.A.B link 1 so much so I bought one. Now I’m not going to suggest it’s made me a great putter, what the L.A.B technology does is make you believe you’re a great putter as the pro suggested the placebo effect. I really like my L.A.B link 1, I find it confidence inspiring to the point where I now occasionally use my favourite Scotty Cameron Newport blade.

[@lkae4]

LAB is coming out with a new mid mallet in December. It has a steel insert and vertical shaft option instead of the forward press. Might work. I think Bettinardi also has a more vertical option. I have a Scotty Newport 2 with the classic rubber cord grip that channels my inner Tiger. Golf is awesome.

[@mrneutral5081]

@ I have a copy of the one Tiger won the Masters with and like you I have the Scotty Newport 2 for much the same reason. As I said, using the L.A.B Link.1 has given me so much confidence I find I use my Scotty a lot more.

[@lkae4]

@@mrneutral5081 My Mezz Max has made my putter stroke better for my other putters too. Also helped me see that my alignment routine is off.

[@pskay]

Missing the Bettinardi Antidote Line and Evnroll Zero line. Would have liked to have seen the SB2 Mallet and Z.1 along these models.

[@TheAverageGolfer]

Unfortunately I can only work with brands that a forthcoming in this space

[@justinstephenson9360]

The zero torque putter trend feels as though it is more marketing than development. We have been here before, Odyssey dabbled in zero torque in 2010 (Backstryke) and again in 2016 (toe up line). It could be that the current line up is a better combination of high moi and zero torque. I am not convinced, but if it works for you then it is a great putter for you

[@jamescasteel8990]

I am a huge Callaway fan but honestly the DF3 is still lightyears ahead of the square to square

[@redwards883]

The biggest thing is not mentioned that only the lab is the only putter that can be custom fit

[@PYGolf]

Love my LAB link1 😎

[@fabioapolito5953]

Love my LAB

[@FF04RDF]

Would like to try one on the course and not on the silly putting mat in the shop. I’m cynical at the moment as I just think they are centre shafted putters that have been around forever. Also think that if you are a good putter you can use one of these or a Wilson 8802 and you would get the same results. If you’re a less skilled putter (me) then this fad won’t cure anything. (Pace control and line reading being the main factors here. ) However, would be happy to try one but not overly keen on buying before I try ! Also seen a Callaway video with the Odyssey putter telling the user to put the shaft lean in at address then hit. (Video with Johnny Wunder and Danny Maude)

[@kennymacm3031]

Hi mate , I was fitted by Scottsdales agent in. Glasgow and they were great, spent loads of time both indoors and outdoors. I went Link 1, it’s a keeper. I also have a Yes Sophia c groove which is very traditional in style and feel like the Wilson 8802, and tbh it’s almost a draw with them. Very similar from distance but ten feet and under the LAB is super consistent

[@southsidetradingco]

After gaming the Mezz 1 Max for 6 months I have sold off my immaculate collection of Scotty Cameron's as anyone who knows 90% of putters in the next 3-5 years will be in the used bin next to the persimmon woods....

[@gameboy6804]

need to test the Bettinardi antidote too

[@markhilton4920]

To me a putter is a putter just use the one that I like the feel of , 99% don’t swing the same every time and the face is never quite the same when hitting the ball and if you are off you are off ,

[@michaelrood2751]

Liked the review would have been fun to see him actually see how many he could make with each at 5,10,15 feet. Just an idea

[@peterharbison165]

For some reason I found it really hard to hear the golf pro. His audio was really quiet Big shame - I really wanted hear his feedback

[@jamesfrancis7284]

Everyone MUST get into the zero torque segment otherwise they're going to lose sales so by spring everyone will have entries ...stay tuned

[@JohnnyP400]

I gotta go with Axis 1

[@TheAverageGolfer]

Nice putter

[@jerlogcol]

i think sam at lab says it best - all of these putters are probably better than whatever you are using right now. all great, a little different in the tech and what they do - but still should improve your putting if you use anything other than some type of torque reducing setup.

[@montegustafson5142]

The "Zero Torque" concept is not new, but is just the latest marketing alternative to hit today's golfing world. Some will like it, some won't. I tried the LAB putter and did not like it, will stick with my $30 heel shafted mutt which works just fine.

[@TheAverageGolfer]

When and who created Zero Torque? Educate us

[@montegustafson5142]

@@TheAverageGolfer See JustinStephenson comments below. I have had center shafted putters in days of old that had this concept but can't offhand remember the brand(s) - a senior moment for sure! MG

[@TheAverageGolfer]

@@montegustafson5142 you didn’t have a zero torque putter my friend 👍

[@montegustafson5142]

@@TheAverageGolfer My understanding of zero torque is that the clubhead will rotate around and not "settle" into a specific position. So, now this is just an old concept with new clubhead designs. And yeah, I have had a putter or two with this feature back in the day. And I am 79 and been at this a long time, friend.

[@joshuat7171]

@@TheAverageGolfer Axis1 golf invented it about a decade ago.

[@varutchk]

great opening

[@grannygrumpy1365]

Quality content Andy but could hardly hear what your saying at times!

[@joebouscaren1]

The pro did not press the handle forward when using the Odyssey, so the ball jumped up off the face

[@23x31]

Can I borrow those shoes for a June tent wedding in the Hamptons I'm attending next year?

[@paulmcgee1867]

Can’t help thinking you shouldn’t have said anything until the end about the differences. PXG putter seems quite noisy compared to the others

[@paulburton210]

I gave the allan a go sent it back didnt like feel on the face I have a lab oz1 on order

[@Groovethumper69]

And he could put the LAB in the bag today.😎

[@CharlotteK2008]

Went for a L.A.B fitting yesterday and was sorely disappointed…. Absolutely not for me. Very underwhelmed

[@TheAverageGolfer]

It’s good to get your feedback, they clearly won’t suit everyone 👍

[@steveleak9497]

Basically it’s seemore putters reinvented

[@dannyferguson8849]

I’ve been using a SeeMore for 20+ years. Not face balanced

[@andyfrizzell4352]

Not quite the shaft in general is about an inch behind the face

[@tomnelson8515]

LOL. . .in the end they are all just hunks of metal at the end of sticks.

[@TheAverageGolfer]

We should all use hickory eh Tom 🙄

[@tomnelson8515]

@ Only if you want to feel where on the face you strike the ball.

[@nateb618]

I don't get it, don't your hands add torque? Your stroke determines where the ball goes. Just get something that feels good "to you" and practice with it.

[@mrb9849]

DF3 all day long

[@songyop]

Odyssey DFX7 can beat all of these with its excellent price-to-performance ratio.

[@mick19421]

Like to have seen an amateur say 18 handicapper try these clubs as well and see what they thought.

[@stallion427]

I'm not going to read any comments before I watch the video. I'm tired of the same guys say LAB is the OG etc and just trying to stir the pot.

[@bobbyvff]

Unless the guy putting the ball is blind? How is this a blind test

[@yunjung2555]

I was thinking the same thing.lol

[@MrKillahippo]

That shows me that it still all about your grip and swing, and read of green. I saw his back swing look sweeping round motion, not straight back and through. don't see how a new one of those improves his chances. So to spend $800+ on one of those when all they do is give you feel and looks? Not for this little black duck.

[@TheAverageGolfer]

I think the fact you make is testament to how the theory of zero torque works for everyone putting style? 🤷‍♂️

[@anger7556]

I am just cringing seeing him camp out a foot from another hole. Crazy poor etiquette. Move at least 6 feet away from the other hole bro

[@ljavier09]

Not a true blind test if you tell him what he’s putting…. You instantly put a bias in his mind. Don’t ask him questions. Let him give blind reactions, comments and feedback.

[@jimmydan29]

You all missed the board with this. The new EVNROLL Z1. You’ll thank me later.

[@JohnnyP400]

Horrific reviews lol

[@andyfrizzell4352]

Just put the plumbers neck on backwards 😉

[@ndexsolutions]

You really need to adjust the ball position when using these putters. With normal putters, the ball is in the center of your stance, but with the LAB putter, specifically, the ball needs to be forward and the shaft in the center of your stance.

[@TTT-1961.]

audio separation between the two of you is a little annoying. Should have had more of a 50-50 split.

[@TheAverageGolfer]

Yes slight issue

[@TheAverageGolfer]

Although Tom was who we wanted to hear from

[@500VulcanRider]

I normally don't care about the looks of a club, but that Lab putter is the ugliest thing to me since that disgusting square nike thing.

[@Divedown_25]

Zero torque is not a new concept, it is a new marketing buzzword, it is std toe heel with large sweet spot combined with a head that has balanced weight. My view as a simple mechanical engineer.

[@TheAverageGolfer]

@@Divedown_25 incorrect on both points 👍

[@ElvisPriscillaPresley]

@@TheAverageGolfer Actually, he is correct. Edel did it, the Odyssey Backstryke from a few years back, then the Zaap putter from the 80's. Then if you look at the broomstick putters from when they were introduced in the 80's, they were a "zero torque" putter. The more upright the lie, and the long shafts were centered, you had a putter that resisted twisting.

[@TheAverageGolfer]

@@ElvisPriscillaPresley no they weren’t, deal with facts please 🙏

[@TheAverageGolfer]

@ a broomstick centre shaft does not make a putter zero torque 😂🙄

[@ElvisPriscillaPresley]

@TheAverageGolfer The odyssey backstryke from 2010 with a broomstick handle, used by an Australian pro, was zero torque.

[@ianburton9223]

If I state that the physics of impact and pace are not influenced by the mechanical properties of a a lump of steel at the end of a stick, would someone reply that I'm a scientific dinosaur? The whole basis of adaptive skills is based on observation and feedback to modification of strokes under almost unique conditions of slope, texture of surface, and state of the match. The rest is in the head of the golfer. Players who believe that these devices can help will spend the money. I sincerely believe that this is all a marketing ploy that could help some psychologically needful players.

[@Iamwrongbut]

So you think that having to use your grip muscles to stabilize a heavy head that wants to rotate during your stroke is the same thing as not having to worry about that at all with a heavy head that does not want to spin!? The physics of the lab revealer, etc. don’t lie. It’s a huge change in putting technology (really the only change since the 60’s)

[@ianburton9223]

@@Iamwrongbut Don't forget that you decide where and how hard to hit the ball, plus or minus errors of judgement.What you use to establish that "where and how hard" cannot be modified by a lump of metal at the end of a stick. Of course, this presumes that your lump of metal at the end of your stick does not have properties that read the put for you. Welcome to the world of marketing speak. Illusions regarding simple Newtonian physics might help people in difficulties, but really, it's just a psychological illusion. If you believe the salesmen, it will help you.

[@Iamwrongbut]

@@ianburton9223lol I agree with all of that and it has nothing to do with a lab putter There are three components to a putt 1. Reading the green 2. Controlling speed 3. Hitting your intended line (after 1&2). A zero torque putter makes point 3 WAY easier, nothing else. How is that so hard to understand??

[@craigmoyer6916]

Interesting video. Most users require some time / practice to get use to these type of putters.

[@lynklynks7246]

Please fix your audio. I want to watch the vid, but can't deal with only hearing it in my right ear for 10+ minutes. This is basic youtube stuff. Want to see you grow, but people WILL click away.

[@TheAverageGolfer]

Yes it was a school boy error but most of my audience watch via TV which is unaffected, only issue is with headphones. In terms of people clicking away it seems to have had little impact, watch time and views are way higher than normal, pleased that viewers will find a way to watch good content 👍

[@guyr7351]

Only use headphones on my phone if travelling so hanever detected any issues as watch on phone and TV. Whenever it’s an on course prefer big screen as your camera work is superb. I would have expected better results from putters 2-4 as he was making the same out so had the line set. I’m a blade man at present and watching this I wondered what these manufacturers would have made of Aioki ( I think ) who used a blade with the toe pointing upwards

[@stallion427]

Should not of commented on each one before he hit them, then its not truly a blind test as even narrative has been shown to impact perspective. Should do it again

[@Sueezedtight]

For a real change of pace, try the new "Lock 'n roll" putter. It took my PPR from 34 to 31.

[@kenwatson4890]

When anyone of these testers can show a video of a robotic arm putting along a dead straight putt then I’d believe them. Then let’s see what these results are? It’s total nonsense that these are being tested by humans where there is such a large and varied margins of errors everywhere Come guys stop the Marketing for these putters and do a true test If these were so good then every single tour player and professional in the world would be using them

[@TheAverageGolfer]

Yes Ken watching a robot test putters, great concept, you should start your own channel 👍🙄