Is Deathstroke REALLY a Batman Villain?

[@TheBatspecter]

there's an audio error at around 8:40 my bad LOL

[@FrannyFranhocas]

it's not an error it's evil batspecter hijacking your shit

[@spithhead]

@@FrannyFranhocasEarly Batspecter lore starts here

[@thecornnoir7312]

Batspector hearing voices arc

[@regigigas502]

Oh that’s an error I thought you just had two mouths two faces and two arms my b

[@riddle8002]

Looks like I've got your invitation. I agree with you, but the last part of the vid was a bit muffled maybe intentionally so I'm not sure, but good vid. I would be all for a Batman movie with me as the main villain.

[@verethragnarok]

The concept of villains having a heroes gallery is interesting. I would love seeing a breakdown of the villains with the biggest "heroes galleries", as it were

[@cement_eater]

lobo's a villain (despite what people may say), and he's pissed off everyone at some point

[@justwolf3937]

I think you'd have to potentially exclude world ending threats then, because in that case Thanos, Galactus, and Darkseid probably have had the most Heroes try to stop them.

[@hyperion3145]

Some heroes barely have a rogues gallery, and it's almost entirely full of other people's villains... Like Doctor Fate...

[@KnightLineArtYT]

Dr.Doom and Kingpin would be pretty high up there I think.

[@cngotham4111]

​@@KnightLineArtYTi mean yes in a way dr.doom but also its clear his main rival is reed richards. While kingpin is daredevil sometimes spidermans and punisher give a good run for daredevels money.

[@necro-esque666]

Deathstroke's true rival is the age of consent

[@StrikerEStrikerovich]

Lmfao

[@genocyberia619]

Slade would love Monogatari

[@commercialairliner]

"I, uh...I like 'em younger."

[@Byrdstar6423-un3me]

Drake and Slade

[@arstotzka9088]

Batman too, he had a relationship with a underage bat girl.

[@SpiralSine6]

I feel like he’s become a general “DC villain”. Not strictly tied to the Titans anymore, Slade’s just become one of the best mercenaries other people hire.

[@hyperion3145]

Sometimes, he doesn't even do mercenary work. He just randomly appears to beat people up. He's even fought Superman a few times.

[@blizzardregulus]

Kind of reminds me of Dr. Doom, who just kind of outgrew the Fantastic Four.

[@knganarxhy]

I honestly can’t see that logic apply to him, the way I see it is who does the villain care/ hate in particular.Darkseid, Thanos, Dr Doom, Lex Luthor, what do all these characters have in common? They scrap with every hero in there respective universes, but darksied and thanos do so for there own reasons it’s never personal simply what there desires lead them to do, neither one could care less about the justice league or x-men or avengers in particular. Lex and Doom on the other hand, though lex has fought the JL it’s Superman he has history with, although Doom has fought basically everyone it’s Mr Fantastic he genuinely hates. Deathstroke falls into the same category as the latter, when it comes to the JL or Batman it’s just cuz he’s getting payed simply business, but the titans were there for the deaths of both of his sons(arguably to blame for both), Nightwing convinced his daughter to betray him and become a hero and they haven’t been on good terms since, so with them it’s personal you don’t have to pay him to start shit with them, he’d do it for free

[@reflex9238]

@@hyperion3145the unique thing about Deathstroke is he’s one of the most skilled hand to hand combatants in DC, especially given how many times he defeated Batman and the times of which Batman does win he really had to give it his all and Deathstroke is typically weakened in some way before hand like through poisons. Heck if I remember correctly he’s considered a danger even to the Justice League, and thanks to Injustice he’s shown he’s able to keep pace with the other heroes especially when he was on Batman’s side.

[@Spongebrain97]

Yeah I was thinking exactly this. Deathstroke is a general DC villain who can be written to take on any hero the story requires him

[@rubiconprime1429]

I think it’s cool that Deathstroke can act as a Swiss Army knife in terms of who in DC he can fight. He’s got that kind of history and aura that lets a writer put him in any situation and the audience will go “Yeah, I can see him there, doing that thing, fighting that person.” I find this attribute very unique in DC where heroes and their immediate worlds are generally neatly organized. Batman fights his rogues gallery in Gotham, Superman fights his rogues gallery in Metropolis, Barry in Central city, Hal in space. I like Deathstroke’s flexibility.

[@kadegetslaid634]

Exactly, like that doesn't happen in marvel, its more of a connected universe, especially with most of them being in new York, while dc is segmented, I love both honestly

[@Your_Father_LA]

Gotta remember.... He goes where the money follows

[@zippolighter4903]

Definitely a versatile character that fits in a good number of settings

[@mihaimiha1727]

​​@@kadegetslaid634dr doom out grew the fantastic 4, it happens in marvel you just haven't noticed it

[@baligong3592]

I think DeathStroke is as Batman villain as Kingpin is Daredevil villain. Their [Kingpin & DeathStroke] influence amongst the world is known and allows for world building. Despite the fact that their original appearance is on another Heroes' Comic, it also makes sense why they're seen as the villain of the respective Hero in mention.

[@JohnBrett715]

I agree with your comparison of Deathstroke and the Kingpin, both being versatile characters to use against any hero. But I wouldn't say Batman v. Deathstroke is like Daredevil v. Kingpin. Deathstroke has always been more of a guest villain in the Batman comics IMHO, where Kingpin is certainly one of the main villains of Daredevil.

[@ratatouilledrinksclorax9897]

@@JohnBrett715 thats definitely true, as when i think of batman Villains i think first immediately. Joker, Bane, Catwoman, Scarecrow, Ivy, Riddler, Quinn, Freeze, or Clayface. I think of Deathstroke as the same amount i think of Grundy when it comes to connecting him to the bat's gallary. When i think of Spiderman villains i think Goblin, Kingpin, and Venom, makes sense as these are who debuted in his comic, but daredevil villains i think of Elektra and Kingpin, also Punisher. Which goes to show Daredevil's gallary doesnt have the same influential pull as the 2 most popular superheros in the world...fair, but also shows how big Kingpin and even the Punisher have become for Daredevil, theres also Bullseye whos also pretty kickass against DD but...not as big a name.

[@JohnBrett715]

@@ratatouilledrinksclorax9897 Don't forget "the Hand". I know people consider the group the hand as Electra's foe but honestly they both debuted as Daredevil villains. Of course this is all off topic from Deathstroke lol

[@Duothimir]

​@@JohnBrett715Daredevil and Spider-Man have always been pretty tight. It makes sense they'd share villains.

[@baligong3592]

@@JohnBrett715 Yes, Batman v. DeathStroke isn't like KingPin vs DareDevil, but, the fact that Kingpin was pretty much seen as a Daredevil Villain, when he first showed up in Spider-Man's Comics, being a Spider-Man villain. That's why I bring him up. The DeathStroke equivalent of Marvel would basically be TaskMaster, where he basically fights every Hero but for different purpose to DeathStroke. Whereas DeathStroke is an Assassin for Hire, TaskMaster collects info on Heroes to sell them.

[@RobinRhombus2]

I've always thought of Deathstroke as a Nightwing villain. By his association to Batman, Nightwing makes Deathstroke an honorary member of the rogues gallery.

[@Blood-zz2kt]

Also black mask is a red hood villain

[@WhyTho525]

​@@Blood-zz2kt So is Joker

[@Groggle7141]

You could make the claim that the Teen Titans is just a spinoff of Batman, the Flash, and Green Arrow. Since the team originally consisted of the sidekicks of all 3 heroes.

[@christopherwi57]

Do you mean Batman, the Flash and Aquaman? Because the first team was Robin, Kid Flash, and Aqualad before Wonder Girl joined and the Teen Titans were officially named. Green Arrow's Speedy came after those four.

[@haroldiscool6410]

@@christopherwi57correct founding was Robin, Kid Flash and Aqualad. Wonder Girl was then created for the team. Speedy would make a few guest appearances before officially joining the team

[@AAllen-br8it]

​@@christopherwi57correct

[@isabellebread9773]

No one has cared about that team since marv wolfmans new teen titans so no you cant

[@martyparty7086]

Isn’t it just a junior justice league that became its own thing

[@pixartist3959]

Deathstroke is a serious titans villain, but my favorite uses of him is as a villainous guy living his villainous life, and crossing over with other characters that way. I definitely think he should be used sparingly with Batman, especially since characters like Deadshot and KGBeast fill similar roles. Idk, I’d love to see other villains get their own heroes gallery like he does. I’m splitting my side thinking about how Riddler would catch the flash or how Two-face would deal with Green Arrow. Idk dc make it happen!

[@baligong3592]

Only issue with KGBeast and Deadshot is how disrespected KGBeast is at all times, and how Deadshot is used. KGBeast is often seen as a 2nd Rate Bane, and then Batman just imprisons him in a secret sewer room to think about his life. Deadshot, being also an Assassin, isn't seen as anything remotely like DeathStroke. A Claimed "Best Marksman Asssassin in the whole world" he is often the type to give Batman trouble in trying to get Close, but once they're in CQC it's a One-sided Fight. DeathStroke comes off like the Perfect Soldier. I'm not saying they're garbage, but rathermore, they have different usage, and most writers just like writing popular characters. Although it would be nice to see more Deadshot vs Green Arrow.

[@yarc9]

Titans villain is trigon

[@creature6715]

​@@yarc9superhero teams can have multiple villians

[@yarc9]

@@creature6715 deathstroke not titans villain he got hired to fight the justice league and titans he an anti hero

[@SmithJohn-o5j]

I think David Cain can fill that gap fair and good, though people tend to ingore him all the time. He's a member of league of assassin, he's the father of Cassandra Cain (aka bat girl),and he's good enough to be chosen as husband of Lady Shiva.So he has reason and skills to battle Batman, yet people just forget about him! He never shows in other media nor have much role in comic, though think maybe it's because he is in the list of worst fathers in DC universe.

[@UnrealNeoBat]

Slade is certainly one of those villains that can fit on any rouges gallery similar to Marvel's Dr. Doom. I wouldn't be surprised if he appeared in the upcoming Wonder Woman game.

[@cngotham4111]

Id say kingpin fits better. Sure dr.doom fights tons of heroes but id say more times then not hes mainly a fantstic four villian. Whike king pin and deathstroke not only fights other characters they also become apart of those characters gallery. Kingpin with daredevil,spiderman and even punisher at times and deathstroke with titans,batman and green arrow.

[@zippolighter4903]

Arkham Knight was a major disservice to Deathstroke especially when you compare his boss fight in Origina

[@Modernww2fare]

Tbf Origins did him a disservice too by having him lose to a rookie Batman

[@zippolighter4903]

@@Modernww2fare Still leagues better than AK. At least in Origins they had a proper showdown

[@MegamiImperatrix]

Slade works when he fights Bruce. He works when he fights other heroes. But the Titans and Nightwing are who really make him great.

[@Buster84]

I view him as a Dick Grayson villain before anything else, who is a Batman character. So in a way, to me at least, Deathstroke is tangentially a Batman villain.

[@tyronleung5276]

No that doesn't make him a batman villain cause he doesn't operate in gotham

[@SanSan-jp1fr]

Nightwing is his own hero and he's more of a teen titans villain

[@Buster84]

@@SanSan-jp1fr He is but that doesn’t mean he isn’t a Batman character persay. He was introduced in a Batman comic, is the most popular and well known sidekick of the Bat, has been Batman the most (other than Bruce Wayne), and his motivation for becoming Nightwing was because of Batman. Along with that he is featured in A LOT of Batman comics and media all around, with Dick Grayson likely being in the next Batman movie. Sure he is his own hero, but so is Red Hood, Red Robin, Batgirl, Batwoman, etc. However all of them are predominantly Batman characters.

[@SanSan-jp1fr]

@@Buster84 the difference between him and red hood and other batman characters is that he actually has an ongoing comic run while the others (except damian) got all their comic series cancelled

[@ultimateaquiles]

I feel like Deathstroke falls in the same category as Taskmaster. They're both mercenaries, so they don't have a set nemesis per se. They fight anyone they're paid to fight. Which is why they're both considered villains to many heroes. Taskmaster has been called a villain to Captain America, Hawkeye, Black Widow, Spider-Man, Daredevil, and even the entire Avengers. He's fought everyone, and so has Deathstroke. They're both like the jack of all trades of their respective universes, being capable of fighting anyone.

[@Kpengie]

Deathstroke has explicit nemeses though, just because of his personal history with the Titans. Other than that, yeah, he fights anyone he's paid to fight.

[@ObitoUchiha38200]

Me: Are you a Batman villain Deathstroke: Yes but actually no

[@alexthegreat1233]

I mean, he is a hired gun. It makes sense for him to be a threat to all the street level heroes and even the high level ones from time to time. But this only works if he actually does fight other people and not fights batman 90% of the time and everyone else once in a blue moon.

[@Graywolf_The_45th]

I always associated Deathstroke more with the Titans because of his role as villain in the old Teen Titans cartoon

[@xanderg.1070]

I agree. I think when it comes to Deathstroke, he could be a villain for any hero that comes across him, whether if it’s Batman, Green Arrow, Superman, Wonder Woman, and even the whole Justice League. Especially since he is known as the most deadliest mercenary in the dc universe. But I will say that when it comes to his arch rival/arch enemies, it should always be Nightwing and the Titans, due to how personal their rivalry are.

[@friedrodent112]

Mr. Rogues made 3 individual videos with a common topic: Why a different villain should be Batman’s archnemesis instead of the Joker. The villains discussed in each video were: the Riddler, Two-Face, and the Scarecrow. The first reason why the Riddler should be Batman’s archnemesis is that the Riddler is Batman’s smartest enemy, whose crimes test Batman’s intellect and detective skills like no one else. The second reason is that the Riddler directly sends clues to Batman to invite him to solve his crimes. The third reason is that the Riddler despises Batman and wants to actually defeat Batman, unlike the Joker. The fourth reason is that the Riddler poses a greater threat to Batman than the Joker because the Riddler is smarter, being frequently depicted as a technological genius who can hack into virtually anything, and can pull off grand feats behind a computer screen, and he is also a master schemer who could potentially bring Gotham to its knees without even leaving his hideout. The fifth and final reason is that the Riddler is a great foil to Batman as he has an upbeat demeanor, wears bright colors, loves to talk, and loves to boast about his intellect, while Batman is stoic, wears dark colors, and speaks little. The first reason why Two-Face should be Batman’s archnemesis is that Two-Face is Batman’s most personal foe because Harvey Dent was a district attorney and an invaluable ally to Batman, and a close friend of Bruce Wayne, which is why fighting Two-Face causes Batman more emotional pain than most of the other villains. The second reason is that Batman and Two-Face are two sides of the same coin, considering that both men were champions for justice, but used different methods of achieving it, with Harvey Dent as a public figure who used the law to fight crime during the day, while Batman is a vigilante who works outside of the law to fight crime during the night. The third reason is the common theme of duality, with both men having dual identities, Batman as a billionaire playboy during the day, and a vigilante at night, while Two-Face is the noble Harvey Dent, and a cold-blooded supervillain; the key difference is that Two-Face is both identities at the same time and wears both of his faces at the same time, and is unable to completely switch between the two identities, while Batman switches between his identities. The fourth reason is that Two-Face is truly unpredictable, considering that, depending on the outcome of a coin flip, he might do something good, something evil, or nothing at all, which is truly unpredictable and genuinely terrifying, unlike the Joker, whose crimes are basically jokes that only he finds funny, and actually always have a point and even a pattern. The fifth reason is that Two-Face poses a greater threat than the Joker, considering that the Joker was a complete nobody before he became a supervillain, while Harvey Dent was a district attorney, so naturally he would use his skills and resources as a criminal: he knows Gotham inside out, he has nearly endless connections, he knows everything there is to know about the law and the legal system, and he should also have far greater ease with amassing an army of henchmen, unlike all of the other villains, and he already has the connections, the information, the schemes, the leadership skills, and the experience. The first reason why the Scarecrow should be Batman’s archnemesis is because they both use the same weapon: fear; Batman dresses like a bat and uses theatrics and acting to scare criminals, while the Scarecrow dresses like a scarecrow (usually) and uses his fear toxin to fill his victims with terror. The second reason is that the Scarecrow is, or should be, a master manipulator, since Dr. Jonathan Crane was a psychologist before he became the Scarecrow, either as a professor of psychology, a private practitioner, or even the head doctor of Arkham Asylum, so he should know everything there is to know about the mind and what buttons to press, and he has the ability to deduce a person’s worst fears just by talking to them, and he should be able to scare people with mere words, instead of being dependent on his fear toxin to scare people. The third reason is that he is the most evil man in Gotham, moreso than the Joker or Victor Zsasz, who murder people left and right, while the Scarecrow actually keeps his victims alive so he can torture them, not with physical pain, but with psychological terror, forcing people, usually innocent people, to their worst nightmares.

[@mikaelwilson8049]

I love Deathstroke. He’s a skilled badass, who could believably challenge Batman physically, and tactically. And he has one of the Most badass costumes and color schemes I’ve ever seen.

[@MILDMONSTER1234]

Yeah but frankly we already have Ra’s and Bane for that role so Slade just comes off as redundant to me when fighting Batman

[@SanSan-jp1fr]

His problem though is that his stats are all over the place one second he defeats batman but gets ridiculously humiliated by Green Arrow but somehow he manages to beat black Canary blindfolded. It's like DC can't have a decent power scale for him

[@giosbizarreart9048]

@@SanSan-jp1fryeah they’re always forced to nerf him in some way in the story so the hero doesn’t get dropped off

[@ichadpromax]

I think Solomon Grundy also fits as someone who isn't necessarily a Batman villain but is often portrayed as one more often than he's not

[@certifiednolife]

deathstroke is in my eyes more of a rival for batman, an incredibly athletic and knowledgeable fighter who has a large Arsenal of weapons and does exactly the opposite of batman killing anybody, for the right price that is but he and batman don't really have any personal grievances with eachother other than slade seeing batman as a worthy challenger and slade being a criminal hitman and i dont mind you making a shorter video because its still very entertaining! keep up the great work!

[@MILDMONSTER1234]

He’s more like an evil captain America but in the world of DC instead of marvel when you think about it so logically the guys he would be perfect for are Batman and nightwing

[@SpiralSine6]

However I can’t not mention that Slade was freaking dope in Arrow. That show had its problems down the line, but season 2 was firing on all cylinders.

[@elilabauve2593]

Deathstroke is honestly one of my favorite characters in dc (after his early groomer years). I’ve just always enjoyed him and his supporting cast.

[@alexandersmith7061]

I see it in the same way as how Darkseid is in a lot of ways Mister Miracle’s arch nemesis, but also shows up in a lot of Superman content and is arguably more well known for that

[@ThrillerXero]

Darkseid is mostly superman and the justice league’s archnemesis

[@jacksample3978]

I consider Orion to be Darkseid's nemesis, with Mister Miracle being a close second. It's just that most people know Darkseid from non-Fourth World stories. Kinda like how Thanos' nemesis is Adam Warlock, but most people know Thanos from big Marvel events that include the Avengers.

[@munanchoinc]

What also helps Deathstroke is that his design and general concept is easy to adapt. The fact that you could put him in both realistic Army Equipment and Cheesy comic accurate getups helps in both live action and other formats. His concept as a merc is also a very simple archetype that you could put in any situation with a rich guy with alot of money wants "x" person killed.

[@paragongaming1885]

I'd also say that Slade in Arrow was actually not bad, he was insane but I thought overall it was presented really well and slade is threatening as hell, and actually causes significant damage to Olivers life

[@funtimebats]

Third video I’ve seen from you. Other two were “Owlman vs BWL” and “Fortnite Batman Ranking”. While I’ve yet to disagree with you on anything substantive, this shorter felt more informed and less arbitrary and opinion based than the others. I learned from it and I liked it more than I was expecting to. You came to the informed conclusion I had merely assumed to be the case. Good stuff.

[@vice2792ocl]

The part of hero's gallery got me good. It totally flipped that saying a good 180

[@speedflashanimations221]

To quote the Lego Batman “I like to fight around”

[@BaconBotVbeta]

deathstroke and batman are similar in the sense that they've become environmental hazards more than actual characters. regardless of who the characters are or his relevance to the story, if you commit a crime in gotham, you can expect to see the bat. on the flip side of the coin, if you're a hero going after someone rich and powerful, you can probably expect he's put a bounty on your head and deathstroke'll come calling. and i love that about him. he isn't a classic comic book villain who wants to get one over on one specific hero. he's a man with a job to do, and his job is handing bodies over to whoever's paying him to retrieve them.

[@stevencisneros9306]

It kinda feels interesting to see him be less a Titans villain and more of a Batman villain and sometimes a Green Arrow villain!! Hell sometimes there are different versions of how Slade lost his right eye, whether it was the original one of his wife, Adeline shooting him at the back of his head, Damien Wayne going his right eye in the Son of Batman movie, EVEN in one comic where Green Arrow grabs one of his arrows and stab it into his right eye…different versions of if, I tell ya!!!

[@gregsky01]

Deathstroke is a DC villain. Shared universe and he fights whoever he fights on whatever given night. Similar to Kingpin in Marvel. He was a Spider-man villain and arguably still is but works so well with Daredevil as well

[@vovabars1234]

Deathstroke can be considered a Batman villain by technicality, since he is the main nemesis of Nightwing, who is obviously closely tied to Batman

[@Baykirk693]

yeah its true, Deathstroke is a part of the wider Batman world so to speak. Although, It is important that Nightwing establishes his own rogues gallery, and have Deathstroke fight the Teen Titans and Nightwing more and fight Batman less.

[@baki484]

I just see him as a DC villain this point. He's an assassin and he goes where the money is

[@malcire]

Eh. I would say he's more comparable to Dr. Doom. He's a major villain originating from a team comic (FF and TT). But he's show up quite often fighting other teams (Avengers and JL) or even other related characters (Batman/ Green Arrow and Iron Man). And usually for their own reasons outside of a boring villain team up. Like why Doom would work with Red Skull or other Hydra villains makes about as much sense as Magneto doing it (but Magneto tried to kill Skull). Where as Doom trying to fight the Avengers for ego reasons or Death Stroke taking a contract makes much more sense.

[@cybernerdcreations4475]

Love your in depth analysis of these characters in your videos, very refreshing to see

[@hunted4blood]

I feel like since Nightwing is a Batman character, Deathstroke is a Batman villain via the transitive property.

[@Artryom]

He’s not a Batman character, not “Nightwing” the name or Grayson in the form aka grown and the leader, Robin is very much so but the whole point is Grayson leaving Batman’s side and becoming his own man which they’ve done well in doing lately, he’s more of a Batman “Ally” more than anything but even then… either one regresses a character’s story and point or the other makes the entire idea of “Rogues Gallery” absolutely pointless since the logic can be applied to every hero ever meaning Arrow’s villains are Batman villains and vice versa. Rogues galleries are fascinating as it should preserve the world building. Take the original antagonists and keep them tied to their original protagonists, a few team-ups is fascinating but shouldn’t change the overall build. Naaaah… let’s just throw it all out.💀

[@hunted4blood]

@@Artryom I don't know what to tell you man, he is literally one of the most prominent supporting characters in Batman media. Don't get me wrong, I like him and I think he can carry his own stories as the protagonist, but saying Nightwing isn't a Batman character is like saying Deadpool isn't an X-men character.

[@Artryom]

@@hunted4blood He's also one of the MOST prominent LEADING characters in the Teen Titans media. It can come down to whichever he's most popular and known for or which piece of media he's been in as a whole. NOT which either of us have seen him in to clarify. This can go much deeper if you wanna go down that overlysimplistic meta route.💀 He also has carried his own stories as the protagonist since 1995 iirc and ongoing now.

[@ArcTrooper269]

I think is Pretty Much like Mandarin, LIKE, the dude is IRON MAN'S ARCHNEMESIS, Yet he's on the Bad Eye of almost all Marvel Heroes Even Villans, Like Punisher, Iron Fist, The West Coast Avengers, The X-Men & DR DOOM, SPECIALLY DOCTOR DOOM

[@wmlau69]

It would be interesting to see a Deathstroke vs Predator story

[@Bluejay10165]

You mean predator vs Predator

[@DeadManTalking.]

I remember watching a video about Marvels Kingpin and who's he's a villain for. Spider-Man or Daredevil? Then when I scrolled down into the comments section I found one comment that has a pretty cool answer. He's everyone's villain. A big threat who has a large enough influence of crime that has caught the attention of any superhero in New York makes him everyone's enemy. I like to think the same applies to Slade. He can be anyone's villain

[@LedZedd]

Interesting way of looking at it. Very true 👀

[@MILDMONSTER1234]

I just don’t like how Slade has effectively replaced Bane as “the guy who’s good at fighting Batman” when Banes dynamic with Batman is WAYYYY more interesting considering slade only fights Batman for money

[@TheBatspecter]

amen to that

[@MILDMONSTER1234]

⁠​⁠​⁠@@TheBatspecter I’m glad someone at least somewhat agrees, now I still like Slade but he’s bordering on overused these days but I’ll say this much… at least bane fans still have it better today then Ra’s fans lol

[@andrewbrito9096]

I love how Death Strike is everyone’s enemy. Identity Crisis has a great moment where Death Stroke takes out a squad of JL members.

[@armalite5.56]

I agree with what you said at the beginning and feel like it would be interesting to have him or another character to have generational beef with the bat family

[@tiem6260]

Deathstroke works best as a teen titans villain but considering he is a mercenary he can just go after anyone and batman is an obvious choice. I will say I love the take the cw arrow show had on Slade and he works very well with his modification into green arrow's backstory. He's just a very flexible character who can be an antihero, a titans villain, even a superman villain at times.

[@Hi_Just_Fred]

To me Deathstroke is definitely not just a villain of any group or single hero, he's just his own character in DC who has a special role in the world where he's kind of just doing his own thing and occasionally will end up coming into conflict with heroes based on whatever current goal he's got. He's very much a mercenary where whoever's offering him the best reward is where he'll put his allegiances first and foremost. The idea he starts as a Titans villain because of his son's death but really grows a lot after that is cool, because I do think it'd be a waste to keep him pinned down as one thing and not allow him to be the main character of his own story in a sense.

[@yoboylilcrispyk8137]

He left out all the things Batman whooped deathstroke in so he could say he floors Batman💀

[@giosbizarreart9048]

Batman only beats deathstroke when slade isnt trying his hardest or is weakened in some way. Don’t let the arkham games or the animated movies fool you he’s ALWAYS been better than bruce

[@yoboylilcrispyk8137]

@@giosbizarreart9048 "dont let all the things he lost in fool you im right" makes zero sense

[@Nima-jneb]

​@@giosbizarreart9048deathstrokes a better hand to hand fighter and is superhuman physically but batman is a better environmental fighter and is smarter than more or less any human. Its entirely believable to me that either one of them would win in any given fight depending entirely on the circumstances of the fight.

[@srstriker6420]

I would even ask if the Gentleman ghost and Solomon Grundy are really Batman villains?

[@richardsphd]

I think most people would agree that the fact that Slade is a pedo is just a bad choice of the time better left forgotten. Like how Ms Marvel is brainwashed and raped, or how Green Lantern is also a pedo. Writers rarely bring it up because they were bad decisions that irreversibly damage the characters. The thing is, the story where Deathstroke is a degenerate is really iconic. They can't just forget about it. So they're stuck in this awkward situatuion where they both have to aknowledge that it happened, and at the same time ignore it. Christopher Priest probably did it the best in his Deathstroke series, with it asking if there could ever be redemption for a person like Slade, but even then, Terra is rarely brought up, even during the supposed sequel to the Judas Contract. DC both wants Slade's groomer past to disappear, and to preserve the iconic story it's a part of. And I honestly don't know of a way to do both.

[@TheBatspecter]

I said it at the start but I think the 2003 show did it way better. It’s more of an abusive father/daughter situation, and that works way better for characters like Deathstroke and Terra.

[@b_radbrad8899]

I think the original idea of the Batman movie with Deathstroke was an interesting idea and gave him an understandable motive. Especially considering how Batman redeems himself by not killing him

[@kadegetslaid634]

It was interesting, I just don't think the main villian of a batman movie should be deathstroke, there are so many interesting batman villians that haven't been on the big screen

[@MrRobot-0]

Some batman Villains are more nightwing villains sometimes, mainly the courtnof olws and Deathstroke. But how Nightwing is packed together with batman shit happens.

[@chrisszostek6700]

Slade couldn’t beat Batman so he went home to a bunch of kids 🤯

[@rulebook6836]

Nice video as usual, I just wished you talked a bit about Nightwing and Deathstroke rivalry a bit more.

[@Ravanananda]

your content is really fun. I like the natural flow of it. Like hearing a friend ramble about something.

[@hudsondavis1399]

The Titans are my favorite superhero team, and Slade is my favorite DC villain, tho Batman is my favorite solo DC hero. I absolutely agree with you on the front that Deathstroke has a heroes gallery with the Titans on top of it. It only really becomes an issue for me when they try to make it some deep personal connection that in the end is just taking taking a Titans story and swapping the characters like Ben Affleck’s Batman movie.

[@Randomaccount9470]

Arkham origins > knight Dceu luther hate U earned my sub❤

[@kaison12205]

I will say slade has had a history with a lot of heroes as dc’s number 1 assassin including a history with arrow

[@meadoofdoof7997]

I saw your Spider Sona in PSM’s stream the other day, I really like it

[@Grievyboi]

I absolutely love this channel so much, keep it up!

[@CommanderSteelTrap]

No, he’s a Titans and Nightwing villain. Batman has stolen enough villains, like Clock King, Solomon Grundy, Magpie, just let other heroes have their villains.

[@legonde]

The diffrence, at least in my opinion, is that slade actually is an apealing batman villian, the others you listed most of the time just are worse versions of existing batman Charakteres with difrent Names. Deathstroke v batman is faaaaaar more intresting than grundy v batman ever could be. (Even though, "Gotham" the series did a decent Job.)

[@loselot6044]

I mean the conclusion he came to was that Batman is part of Slade's rogues gallery since Deathstroke consistently hands with a TON of heroes

[@Theokal3]

couldn't have said it better.

[@CrocsFortress]

Magpie was a Batman villain first though,Batman and Superman just teamed up to fight her for some reason,so she’s technically always been a Batman villain.

[@bowbowbowbow6007]

He’s a villain with a heroes gallery

[@bigevil1001]

So in other words, Deathstroke is to Batman what Taskmaster is to Spider-Man.

[@ri-ch-es]

Love the concept of heroes gallery

[@SnuggieMaple]

I would say he’s still more of a Nightwing villain with how obsessive he is with him but in the past little while he’s def become of a general DC villain and Batman villain

[@Lordmewtwo151]

I'm glad you mentioned early in the video that Deathstroke's main enmity is with Nightwing and the Teen Titans, not with Batman. That said, while he may not be a "Batman" villain (although the two have clashed, of course,) Nightwing is a member of the Bat family. Speaking of which, are rogues of the batfamily lumped in with Batman's in general, or just Deathstroke (and maybe a couple others I might not know)? Also, I'm extremely passingly familiar with Deadshot but have never heard of KGBeast until today.

[@Baykirk693]

usually villains who fight other members of the Batfamily are still part of the Batman rogues gallery. (Black Mask is technically a Batgirl villain etc.) Nightwing though is a special case because he's the only member of the family that operates outside of Gotham in his own city so I think its fair for him to branch out and have his own separate rogues gallery including Deathstroke in that. Although Deathstroke would still be a part of the wider Batman world I guess

[@labodegadelauty7929]

Great video dude. The video may not be as succesful as your other 'big ones' but it's an algorythm thing, you should keep on making more.

[@jonathannoble7845]

He is Nightwing’s arch enemy.

[@zestyraccoon813]

I think Deathstroke works best as a Batman villain IMO. He feels scary when Batman faces him, because usually Batman has it all figured out, but Deathstroke is so skilled that you feel the pressure. Realistically he should make quick work of the Titans. Batman seems like a far better match.

[@CursedShinobiClown]

Yeah but Batman already has other villains that fulfill Slades Niche like Bane and Ras. He doesn’t need to steal other villains to add to his already bloated villain roster. People like slade vs the titans for the same reason they like bats vs the league, he’s works so well as a titans villain because he knows how to take them down

[@normansmith9009]

Deathstroke is like Kingpin. Who is both a Daredevil and Spider-man villain. Deathstroke is both a Batman and Teen Titans villain

[@huntertezz]

No. Its more of a Nightwing and Teen Titans villain.

[@normansmith9009]

@@huntertezz not anymore

[@ThrillerXero]

Of course he has appeared as a villain under Batman’s radar

[@Uwujarvis]

For what I think of Slade I’ve personally always thought of him as a general villain with an affinity/distain for batman. I always thought the teen titans show was Deathstroke’s plan to get at batman by corrupting his pupil… But I haven’t read the comics so if he does beat batman constantly then I dunno lol :/ I like the general villain concept the most tho.

[@mikaelwilson8049]

I think Deathstroke needs his own video game

[@trickyykcir]

Arkham Knight Deathstroke was definitely a game

[@AAllen-br8it]

Deathstroke should be a free agent. Just a general DCU Earth villain. He should have histories and rivalries but i feel like he should make appearances throughout different books, facing off against everyone because either he's hired to combat/kill them, the titular characters come across him or his contract is stepping on their toes. He shouldn't be tied down to any particular line.

[@willnelson4192]

I always thought Deathstroke is mainly a Teen Titans main villain but he got big connections to other heroes like Batman for a example ( edited: The only reason I say that because I watch the teen titans 2003 show when growing up )

[@RashadAgayev-dm4dj]

Yeah, his enemies are Teen Titans, Batman, Green Arrow, Justice League

[@austinbevis4266]

Slade was the coolest character is the teen titans show. I never saw him as a Batman villain because of it

[@FantazmoGoricohh]

Love the channel, the jokes are peak and the memes are the Cherry on top👍🏽

[@AdamTennyson]

Great video as always

[@warbilby]

I think i first saw Deathstroke in Arkham Origins so I immediately thought he was a Batman villain (he's also in Lego Batman 3). But after learning more about him i really like him being the arch enemy of Nightwing/Teen Titans and thought he shouldn't be used against Batman so much. Now through your video, I've learnt that Deathstroke is more of a villain protagonist with his own set of enemies which I really really like. I also like the idea of him trying take on various Justice League characters but then also getting beaten by DIck.

[@cringeconnossieur5370]

Maybe I'm just latching on to the mercenary thing, but in relation to Batman, DeathStroke honestly feels like a more successful Killer Moth.

[@donnyspeed]

Keep making vids bro!😊

[@yashmandla1234]

I kinda like the idea of deathstoke kinda being this enemy who was always 1 step ahead of batman for a while, and it wasnt until ROBIN made it onto the scene that Batman was able to finally beat deathstroke. Humiliated by the fact that he was beaten by a kid deathstroke transers his hatred for batman over too robin,

[@RainMakeR_Workshop]

To be fair, Batman DOES have an interpersonal connection with Deathstroke. I know if I saw someone who was constantly beating up MY son, I would VERY much make taking them down my business. All you need to do to make it relevant to the story, is make it so Deathstroke recently hurt Nightwing pretty badly, maybe put him in hospital for a stint. What more motivation could Batman need? Just because he's a crappy father, doesn't mean he isn't one.

[@supersonical8770]

I knew I was hearing Stress as one of the background songs!

[@MOPRNFL]

This vid was fire bro🔥💯

[@celtarican630]

Dude I love your editing, your voice, you just seem funny and honest about these characters and I love it, deathstroke is in nobody’s rogue’s gallery, these MFs are in HIS lol

[@the-quiver]

This channel is underrated, it alwalys delivers peak

[@roninkahn4033]

I say that it depends on the medium and world. In the arkham games id say yes since hes there around batmams Early years and comes back in his final night due to a grudge he couldnt collect on prior. Although in the arkham games hes more so a recurring antagonist than a dedicated batman villain

[@travit666]

Because of the og teen titans show and the TT comics ie. Judas Contract, I've always associated Deathstroke with the teen Titans and more specifically with Nightwing.

[@crosslash01]

Now do a Wade versus Slade vid, lol. Loved this video!

[@Rexis102]

6:51 I feel like Deadshot should be a more regular gun for hire in Gotham while Deathstroke is for a situation with raised stakes. Like maybe 3 episodes in a series involved Deadshot but only 1 with a bigger impact involves Deathstroke.

[@InfernoScorpion14]

One good angle you could use as the basis for a potential genuine rivalry between Batman and Deathstroke is if you tap into how Bruce lives and breathes to help Gotham from the bottom of his heart as his own personal crusade and then contrast that against Slade and how everything he does is just for cold hard cash. But it would take a better writer than me to extrapolate that into a decent 6-issue arc. (Maybe less)

[@neutralbychoice3584]

Even you Joker occasionally take a ride to Meteopolis and fights Superman and that often without Batmans involvment.

[@sahilhossian8212]

Lore of Is Deathstroke REALLY a Batman Villain? Momentum 100

[@socialaccount0000]

My only two full experiences with Deathstroke is the 2003 Teen Titans show, and the Arkham Games. Hell, for the longest time I was convinced "Slade" and Deathstroke were two different characters with similar suits, because of just how different each iteration is. "Slade" was a manipulative mastermind and fighting genius, who made Robin look like the child he was. Deathstroke was for lack of a better term, a jobber. He talked big, and got his shit rocked by Batman both times. So when I found out Deathstroke was more like "Slade" in the comics, I was excited! Until I heard he regularly beats Batman..and thats where the disconnect began and continues to this day. Maybe its because of Arkham, but I just cannot fathom Deathstroke being able to kick Batman's ass. Robin? Yeah, sure, Dick is good but its not until being Nightwing that he starts to approach Batman's level. But Deathstroke beating *Batman* ? Just seems wrong, almost overpowered

[@Artryom]

Deathstroke was created to take down a team of superteens, three with high tier superhuman strength and speed, The fastest kid in the world, one magical universal witch that’s the daughter of a world busting demon, one that can transform into any animal in the world, a kid with superhuman physical capabilities with all the same gadgets as Batman and knowledge of every martial art in the world like his mentor that’s well versed in prep time like him but…. He can’t beat Batman.🤨 The disconnect is struggling against a dude that’s like Super saiyain Robin? When they’re meant to be a superteam buster themselves?

[@Duothimir]

No, Batman just has a habit of stealing villains from other heroes.

[@jorgenitales5882]

Thanks to the DC multiverse, there's probably a universe where Deathstroke is Jared Fogle's bodyguard

[@comixproviderftw_02]

That’s hilarious

[@spiderdoctor2269]

I’m (pleasantly) surprised DC hasn’t tried to make Black Manta a Batman villain Honestly, I’m not opposed to swapping around rogues galleries like this, so long as it’s used to prop up lesser known characters. I think the most popular example of this would be The Punisher and Kingpin, who started out as Spider-man villains but are far more associated with Daredevil nowadays. To the point where that Netflix show really wouldn’t have been the same without them Personally, I’d like to see them try out Killer Croc as an Aquaman villain. Or Maxie Zeus as a Wonder Woman villain

[@SSJThug]

Personally I just lump him in with dr doom, king pin, black Adam and maybe Thanos. Villains who is the main adversary they was first introduced with, but not exclusive as they grown to gain beef/rivalry with other heroes. Though it might be some confusion when it comes to outside media adaptation that we can book readers might have to explain.

[@williamdaviddiazcuchimaque7511]

Black adam se podría considerar un villano universal?

[@SSJThug]

@@williamdaviddiazcuchimaque7511 sorry, I don't understand. Only speech English.

[@paragongaming1885]

Haven't watched the vid yet but I'd say Slade has become just a general DC villain, being simply the best mercenary that would get hired by Lex Luthor, Black Mask, Amanda Waller and anyone else with money and no regard for the law

[@grey3247]

I think him being extremely non personal makes him contrast Batman even better Batman is Batman for extremely personal reasons, involving his inner sense of morality, driving him to be the world's best detective even without powers Then there's deathstroke, for him it's never personal when it comes to the bat. The world's best assassin, who challenges batman not only by being similarly skilled in tactics and combat as him while also being a human without powers, but also one that openly defies Batman's ideals by the fact he doesn't care about them, it's not for a personal sense of deeply ingrained justice and a greater purpose. It's simply to kill the bat, and get paid, and the fact that someone like him, can challenge and defeat Batman given in comics physical victories also usually carry baggage about morals and worldview even if indirectly Unlike other villains who usually have either strong personal reasons to be villainous or have a personal rivalry with Batman that they're emotionally invested in.

[@huntertezz]

No Batman has a bunch of non personal villains (majority of the other merceneries). It doesn't make Deathstroke any special.

[@CursedShinobiClown]

Ya know usually I disliked slade vs Batman for being so simplistic but the way you describe it actually kinda works