💥'MONSTERS' Menendez Brothers: Body Language EXPOSED

[@jaybird8748]

Not only is this the most interesting subject matter ever, it's heartwarming to see four experts being so friendly, respectful and kind to each other without egos getting in the way. Thank you for being such great role models gentlemen.

[@elizabethgracee]

This 🙌🏼 they are so respectful. It’s like a fresh breath of air listening to them converse.

[@bronfoth]

And you can see over time that they are all learning from each other... It's really cool! 🙂 It must be exciting for them at their level in their field

[@Leah_Olson]

I was hoping for this one.

[@waltontl]

I agree. They are each comfortable and confident in their own knowledge and skills that they don't feel like they have to compete. They just get to the heart of the issue.

[@nicky132]

Yep, no mansplaining here 😀

[@ClineFamilyof5]

The panel would like to see you do OJ Simpson...and if Mark says he’s never heard of the case, I want Scott, Greg and Chase to read his body language

[@user-oj2sl9fo1j]

hilarious!!!

[@crowmedicine3890]

Lol!

[@ReSearcherSusie]

You just won the Internet!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼🥇🏆

[@jackiekerr1561]

Haha that's great..🤣🤣

[@zovalentine7305]

Mark would be excellent analyzing Johnnie razzle dazzle Cochran 🎬😁🧤

[@AmataJo]

It's unbelievable that these guys got life while Casey Anthony is a free woman...

[@VioletJoy]

That's absolutely maddening. That goes to show all the different factors that go into a case- evidence, representation, jury, judge, etc.

[@mrsmiggins9465]

No justice for Kaylee thats for sure 😔

[@annedolan3050]

A true travesty.

[@coronatyrus2391]

Amata... The only thing that's unbelievable... Is the fact that they didn't get the gas-chambers!! It would've safe the taxpayers some money!!

[@messywebdev]

so sad :(

[@kristinaanderson4160]

As a survivor myself of child abuse, torture by the very persons who were supposed to care for me (in my case a mentally ill adoptive mother), I can tell you that the rage and shame and fear are very intense for a little child. Many many children who are severely abused fantasize about killing their abusers. Most of us, I guess, just don’t have the nerve. Also yes you don’t show emotion. You learn that abusers get off on that; they love the screaming and crying and begging. So you learn to be stoic.

[@rbrown6476]

I hope you find peace - I’m sorry you had to endure that. Keep going and say kind things to yourself every single day. I’ve found that hugging myself deliberately as a soother, works well. It tells my body that it’s cared for as an adult even if it missed that part as a child. Bless you x

[@LeNoir2411]

agree.. when i was 12 ,i almost go through with it, i was holding a knife on her forehead while she was asleep ,the second time i was going to bash his head but I can't possibly be strong enough to actually kill them because i was obviously smaller than them ... That realization made me dropped the plan altogether.. i was also afraid that people might paint me as monster if my abusers die ,i mean i have no evidence so I'll be the evil one.. It's true i fantasize killing em almost everyday, even now in adulthood,i still wish i could harm them the same way they did me.. but some of em are already dead and the others have their own family, i couldn't bring myself to take that away .. it's so frustrating.. it's like the world moves on but you're still stuck in a loop..

[@MissPresley69]

So true. 😪🙏🤍

[@quantumnature514]

Very, very true about the stoicism!

[@kristinaanderson4160]

I’m glad my comment enabled some great conversation about it. To those who are younger than me (I will be 60 next year) please know that the road to recovery is long and painful but worth it. It is a lifelong journey. It is totally NORMAL to feel intense anger and confusion and probably around age 35+ is when you can even approach being ready to move past that phase. What really helps is stuff like yoga, movement, exercise, animals, finding the beauty in the world in tiny places. Build a safe place for yourself mentally.

[@SamanthaAndrieux]

Every time My four white uncles post, I’m here for it!!

[@TheBehaviorPanel]

LOL

[@blessingsfromheaven8445]

Lol 👍

[@vbstarrv]

😭🤣😂

[@Ali-kb8gr]

Lol 😆

[@leslieneufeld8410]

😂😂

[@lonewolfheart1697]

As a survivor of childhood abuse by my parents, I can totally confirm that being in the moment of a memory can cause a survivor to revert back to a child. I will disassociate or go into child mode whenever there is confrontation or I'm worried that I've upset someone or if I've done something wrong... even just spilling a drink... I apologise all the time to the point where my husband has told me countless times that I say sorry too much but the residual guilt makes me feel like I've still not said sorry enough. I constantly feel like I'm not good enough. I cannot imagine how traumatic it must be to have experienced such horrific abuse only to end up in jail without any chance for freedom. Trauma upon trauma upon trauma.

[@lonewolfheart1697]

@America's Rabbit Hole Thank you for sharing too. I totally relate to fearing that your partner will leave. I still don't understand why my husband stays with me. I have so many issues but I've spent years in and out of therapy but I still have a poor view of myself. It's a comfort to know we're not alone. BIG HUGS xx

[@carolnichols2869]

Funny, my reaction was to harden. Apologies were never said cause they were never accepted. The abuse only stopped when the anger was spent. It has been difficult, but life goes on. We are damaged for life. I had to break the cycle so I didn't hurt my own children, though I wanted to. When that is all you learned, it is difficult to learn another way. I am 61 now and a great grandma. Hugs to you both.

[@jeanettecook1088]

All of what you said, true, and so familiar to me. I have CPTSD and become dysregulated in the face of loud noises or shouting (prelude to beatings), sudden events like collisions, loss of balance, sudden vulnerability. I revert instantly and become very rattled and scared. It's almost impossible to stop the reaction, even though I'm an adult and might know rationally what happened. There is no greater plague in our society than the general prevalence of child abuse.

[@mothermayi7832]

I agree totally.

[@rbrown6476]

@@jeanettecook1088 me too - about the loud noises . It causes a confusion that almost paralyses me and I’m nearly 70! I then behave like a frightened kid who has done something wrong. It’s so damaging but I managed to bring up my kids to be super kind and they are saved from the cycle that so often goes on. I think kids in school should be taught how to be a good parent! They would then recognise if their own parents are abusive, plus be better prepared to be a parent themself. I found that counselling still helps every now and then, plus a 10 minute mediation for the anxiety. X

[@anabalila]

Greg, the conflict Lyle had with his brother before calling 911 was that Erik was in so much distress that Lyle had to drag him from the room their parents were twice because Erik was going there constantly. You can hear Erik screaming on the 911 call and Lyle telling him, screaming at him to get out of there (he went back several times during Lyle's phone call) And also you said about Erik how he leans forward to hear better, he was disgnosted with multiple speech, hearing and understanding disorders and severe PTSD. Also i want to point out that their therapists said that at the time of the crime their emotional maturity was between the ages of 10-12, if we can explain Lyle's crying on the phone (Chase said something about this) Mark, i think the soften of, what we all call abuse, and called it "thing", happened because, compared with the other things their father was doing to him, is insignificant. Also they had therapy for the past 3 years in prison , a reason, maybe of dissociation. Scott, the fact that his head was down when he said that his mom didnt interviene, is not only because he is ashamed, is more because he thinks she shouldve interviene when his father was molesting him; his mom knowing about it from the begining. And thank you for bringing up the fact that they were trained not to show emotion. That particular thing was their father philosophy, never to show emotions, dont let people read you. He also "trained" them how to not show pain. Mark, in the closing you said you cant really say if there was an other motive for killing, and the other guys said that they dont think they were in fear for their lives. For that, you have to know or listen to them testify about what happned the week prior to the killings. And i'm going to point it out in a few sentences: 1. Erik found out that he was still going to have to sleep at home 4 nights a week even if he was going to be on a college compus (so the sexual molestation wouldnt stop) 2. Erik tells his brother about the abuse he endured for 12 years (Lyle's abuse was from 6-8 years old, Erik's was from 6-18 years old) because he was afraid he would kill himself otherwise, he wanted Lyle to do something about it. 3. They found out their mother knew about the sexual abuse all their lives and never intervened. 4. Lyle confronts his father, telling him that if he wont stop touching Erik, he will tell the police and the family, Jose refuses to stop the molestation and at some point (on the night of the killings) as Lyle is talking about a place he wants to go for a tennis training, Jose says something like "why you want to go? it doesnt matter anymore now" as if he already decided to kill his sons due to the fact that they now want to go to the police. As Lyle said, a lot of things happened in that last week to really make them believe that their parents were going to kill them. If someone happened to read all this and is willing to know more about the case but doesnt want to spend months (like me) watching the trial on Court Tv, please watch the mini series Erik Menendez speaks on, called "Erik tells all" relating everything that happened . Thank you for this video, it was really interesting and powerful!

[@dianjane]

THIS is excellent. I nominate you for your own show.

[@gx9954]

THANK YOU!

[@gx9954]

Also another thing i would like to add for people saying Lyle lied about his mothers sexually abusing him: Dr Conte evaluated Lyle throughout the 90s and he mostly focused on Lyles abuse. He said that talking about his father was emotional for him, however some aspects of abuse by his mom was “positive” for Lyle and that he really yearned for affection from his mother and her doing that was somewhat positive for him, he noticed those details while talking to him. He also recounted that Lyle was very reluctant and refused to fully open up to him about his abuse. Lyle experienced several other very traumatic stuff but he downplayed it on the stand to protect his parents, he was not lying about anything.

[@gx9954]

There are also other testimonies from different people that really proves that it’s most likely that Lyle got molested by his mother too. But people sadly too often love to say it’s a lie.

[@heikelehrerin]

Wow! What a great comment!

[@AFreckledAngel]

It was the 90's and we never heard about sexual abuse in any trial. The media portrayed it as they were lying about the abuse to get out of jail . I watch this now and realize they were abused. It's so sad

[@MademoiselleIcelfly]

They still won’t discuss it. Why didn’t ME TOO include only women but not CHILDREN when pedophiles run Hollywood, the Catholic Church & goes all the way to the highest echelons of government & the Elite… All scams, all Bs. If we can’t protect our children then wtf are we good for?!

[@user-en7ox9nz1v]

I remember that being their defense when it happened.

[@marshapilipow4671]

That's right different time area big difference thank God it's changing now. They should have just got 20 years and another court date .

[@thefasttomato]

Really glad you did this one, as I must admit, I thought they were spoilt rich kids looking for an excuse, but I can see the genuineness in their testimony. A shame that they went to trial at a time when this defence wasn’t really accepted or well understood

[@rchristy4540]

These boys have been treated like they're lesser humans their whole lives. Society told them it didn't care what they suffered as children. That's messed up.

[@AmberLlovetify]

I think the grief muscle isn't there because he's not in the grieving stage yet; he's still just a confused, lonely little boy who's relieved to be heard for the first time in his life.

[@Joshualuv13]

Those boys absolutely should have not got life sentences .I know what it's like to have a father who was extremely abusive ,both emotionally and violently. And I tell you now .if I hadn't been so young and scared of him and a female ,I'm not sure what I would have been cable of because the one thing I do remember is wishing him dead every day from my earliest awareness of how much I hated him,that's what abuse can do over many years .

[@yeahB]

yes, I also hated my stepfather so intense that he fell from the potty dead with his naked butt in the air at 54 years. Nobody grieved, not even his own young son. What had made my hate even more severe was that my mom told me nor to take myself so seriously. What she meant was that it didn't matter what he was doing to me because I was not important

[@Joshualuv13]

I understand and I can tell you now ,that you mum obviously didn't know any better unfortunately and that you are and always where important and whatever happened was not your doing or fault.Treat the little child that u where once back then,we all the love and care ,that you always deserved ❤️

[@mutesimasereka7816]

I get excited everytime I see their thumbnail pop up on my recommendation

[@TheBehaviorPanel]

Yay!

[@user-oj2sl9fo1j]

Yes!!!!!!! Oh my goodness I shouted ‘yes’ out loud when this popped up on my phone!!!! Going to get snacks and watch it right away!!!!!

[@WiteDahlia]

I know, right ? 🙌

[@jamesburton9708]

🤨

[@BirdBird_NatureNerd]

👆This! What a terrible case but really interested to get your individual and collective analysis. Thank you!

[@bcarolinaw]

You're not alone! 🤓🍿

[@rinac2733]

Me too

[@DreamingCatStudio]

Whew. This one was hard... I knew about them but never saw any footage, and the level of abuse seems horrible. What a horrible waste of four lives. Scott, you’re so cute when you get mad and say “Dadgummit!” ☺️

[@TheBehaviorPanel]

🙃

[@cherylbradley9156]

Hahahahaha! Yes. That was cute. 💛✨

[@gx9954]

Actually 5 lives, their cousin Andy later overdosed over years of guilt in 2003 for not helping Erik when he told him about the abuse when he was 13 and Andy was 10.

[@DreamingCatStudio]

@@gx9954 Oh my goodness. More tragedy.

[@hydrangeadays]

@@gx9954 Oh, wow. I hadn't heard about this. So sad.

[@Sunset553]

I grew up in an extremely controlled, abusive household. We were good kids who suffered for doing things like talking to each other in the house or stealing food from the refrigerator . I lived in fear and tried to live by all the rules so I didn’t suffer as much as my older siblings. to get right to my point, when I heard the Menendez brothers had shot their parents I thought that some horrible stuff must have happened, projecting my experience onto their situation. Throughout my childhood I thought the only way out of this hell is if my parents would die. Anytime I saw an ambulance drive past me on my walk home from school, I’d hope so strongly that it was her having a heart attack or something that would be fatal. If I were a boy with the pent up rage , I can easily see obliterating them for never protecting or caring for me. What you don’t know on the child side is that the hell is with you even if manage to get out. I can realistically see them shooting their parents to end the pain, but getting rid of them won’t take away the damage. For all of us, living free or not, your whole life is damaged.

[@moniquemonicat]

The only difference is they were RICH and the minute they killed they went out and shopped for extremely expensive items and cars and luxury items. Greed.

[@naeco1602]

@@moniquemonicat I understand that it's easy to believe that they did it out of greediness. The logic is they are already rich and the family members testified that there is no change in their spending meaning they can really buy whatever they want even tho they haven't killed their parents. I know that accusing something negative is way easier than protecting them right?

[@naeco1602]

I feel the same way. I burst into tears when I saw a clip from the trial seeing Erik cried reminded me of happened to me before. Im so into this case that I will do what I can to help them in any way.

[@annthhallaaa5819]

I don’t think you should call them greedy. I think you should call them victims of abuse.

[@toniwendt6604]

Sunset, I felt I was reading my own story. I’m so sorry that you had to go through such a horrific childhood, but you are not alone…blessings sister!❤️

[@baneswellboy7506]

It's a privilege to view you guys doing this stuff. I really look forward to these each week. Thank you. Greg UK.

[@MarkBowden1]

Thanks so much!

[@tinabriggs162]

IM BLOWN AWAY THAT THESE TWO BROTHERS KILLED THERE PARENTS WITH A SHOT GUN..AND KNOWING THERE GUNNA GET CAUGHT AND SPEND THE REST OF THERE LIVES IN JAIL....THE PREMEDATATION KNOWING THE END RESULTS AND THIS NEVER MADE THEM CHANGE THERE MINDS..ITS A UN ANSWERED QUESTION THAT IF I RECALL WAS NEVER BROUGHT OUT OR ASKED THE BROTHERS.

[@tinabriggs162]

@@MarkBowden1 HEY MARK.

[@MarkBowden1]

@@tinabriggs162 Hey!

[@KarenAnne1965]

To me Chase’s comment that murder/killing may not be so deviant a thought/behavior based on the context of the family these boys lived in is a brilliant point (paraphrasing). This case devastates me. If these were girls telling the story, there would have been a very different outcome. I’m down the Menendez rabbit hole currently.

[@whiteheart6827]

Yeah two of the lawyers and maybe the judge would of shoot their shot too. Your delusional. It is about the money.

[@cat-mum-Jules]

I agree with you. I'm just beginning to go down the rabbit hole. Any suggestions of good videos?

[@cat-mum-Jules]

@@whiteheart6827 I'm sorry I don't understand what you said.

[@Mehki227]

​@@cat-mum-Jules Watch the Menudo + Menendez documentary

[@nejlababali7901]

​@@whiteheart6827how are you so sure. Abuse of any kind especially SA is very traumatic, those boys were abused in a very traumatic way,this is my opinion.

[@lile8602]

If those had been young women in that trial, instead of young men, there never would have been a 2nd trial. Boys being abused is still not treated the same way, but it is getting better.

[@dianedeck]

These aren't boys.

[@lile8602]

@@dianedeck you are right. They were young men, chronologically. Emotionally, I'd argue they were boys. Abuse victims often have arrested development and they were boys when the abuse started. Eric was still being raped and brutalized by his father. Since he was an adult, I don't think words like molested or abused apply. Rape and physical assault are more appropriate. Symantics aside, if 2 young women with the kind of history of physical, psychological, and sexual abuse starting in childhood and continuing into adulthood that these boys experienced, were on trial, the 1st hung jury would have been the end of it. Feminists would have championed them, books and movie deals would have followed. Women would not have been doubted. Boys/men who are sexually abused are treated differently. Especially back then, even still now.

[@carolinebarber7573]

I agree. It is heartbreaking to know how much they suffered during their formative years. You cannot come out of that unscathed. It is just pure horror. If it was young women, there is a strong likelihood they would have gotten off. Double standard. These men suffered extreme abuse. Turns my stomach.

[@JaymePaladino]

Boys (and men for that matter) are also more reluctant to come forward about their abuse. It makes it even more horrible to think how many cases are not even reported because of that. I think it's getting better though.

[@hydrangeadays]

@@lile8602 Well stated!

[@pinkzebra74]

I was an abused child sexually by my older brother and physically by my dad and sister. So I really believe them and I feel sad for them, I really do. And if you look into the history of physical and sexual abuse by rich people and celebrities then you understand that they are telling the truth. Look at Corey Haim. It's awful what they have been through.

[@CityBohoGirl]

I’m so sorry you were forced to endure that sadistic torture. I believe you.

[@GA-fz2wt]

So sorry and I hope you are doing OK.

[@ceciliafellouse]

Thank you thank you for covering this terrible story. I find the boys testimonies utterly heartbreaking 😢😢😢

[@sophieh9387]

Me too.. since the case, I always felt they should have had therapy and set free..

[@MarkBowden1]

It's pretty hard stuff to watch.

[@gl3390]

@@MarkBowden1 would you guys do a part 2 reading into their testimonials, please? I really love to see your take on whether they are truthful or not.

[@danp1471]

Timestamp Guide 1:25 Quick run down 3:01 Clip One 3:47 Eyebrows 6:00 Jugular vain 6:39 Lip biting adapter 9:01 Signaling with brows 9:19 Biting lip to contain 9:54 What an adapter is 11:29 Tactic to try & get subjects shoulders even to avoid unconscious fighting stance 13:13 Clip Two 21:18 Clip Three (911 call) 23:30 Red flags 24:35 S.T.R.I.P. 27:18 What's missing 28:23 Story vs. Crime 29:30 Significant Changes 33:08 Clip Four 35:20 Auditory/Digital memory 39:32 Illustrators 43:47 Clip Five 47:43 Anti gravity movements 48:40 Clip Six 51:44 Clip Seven 1:01:18 Clip Eight 1:02:45 Softening of language 1:05:10 Honest vs. Nervous Behavior 1:06:42 Distancing language 1:10:00 Clip Nine 1:11:07 Step one for trial consultants 1:12:20 Signs of real crying 1:13:47 What's hardest to reproduce 1:17:30 Greg shows us his grief muscle & chin boss skills 1:18:27 Clip Ten 1:20:30 Traumagenic arrested development 1:24:21 Clip Eleven 1:25:32 Barriers 1:26:54 Blink rate increase & recall 1:28:46 Team focused pronouns 1:29:30 Compartmentalization & dissassociation 1:32:18 BP giving their verdict

thankssss

[@mflow6485]

Interesting that Jose Menendez has since been accused of drugging and raping a member of Menudo--a boy band. He was a music exec and that industry has a reputation for such abuses that has come out in recent days.

[@DreuThomas-tf2ts]

Oh really?

[@barbnauman705]

Ive developed a serious crush on all four of you handsome men! Thanks for doing this channel! It’s excellent!!

[@TheBehaviorPanel]

Scott is my favorite. Probably because he’s handsomer than Chase and could probably beat up Greg too. And his nose is normal sized.

[@anyasviews8415]

@@TheBehaviorPanel Still my favourite as well, Scott, but there’s 3 Very Close runners up! 😁

[@cherylbradley9156]

@@TheBehaviorPanel 🤣. You’re all lovable in your own ways. Appreciate all of you!!

[@mmatamoni]

@@TheBehaviorPanel You have to stop saying that, your nose is 100% normal. I'm half italian and half lebanese, so you can trust me on this! And Chase looks orange. I really like the guy, learn a lot from him, but he is orange. I'm really sorry about your dog btw 🙏

[@SummerLuvr7]

Orange is my favorite color❣️

[@paulinalang8930]

At the dinner table....age 11....when Eric said “He would just look at her” , the memory of that, his eye movement looking up and tone of voice indicate, to me, that in his father’s look at his wife was an attitude/tone of “don’t you dare say a word” ! Facial/eye movement , intake of breath, indicates that he feels anger and strong disgust of his father. How these children suffered in horror. It is inconceivable. I know of someone who has seen “that look”. That look from his father, evokes extreme fear and she shuts down ....it is a strong , evil, psychological punch to the gut! * Extreme pain and shame when Lyle talks about his father’s abuse. Were these guys sentenced as they were , because no one knows/knew what else to do with them?

[@marina-oe8ls]

they purposely set up the second trial for their first degree murder conviction. they did not allow testimonies of the sexual abuse and the defense was extremely limited. the judge also basically got rid of the “imperfect defense” the defense argued in the first trial so the jury only had murder options. extremely sad and miscarriage of justice.

[@toodlescae]

50 years later I still sometimes duck or flinch if someone raises their hand real fast when they're close enough to hit me.

[@Doxymeister]

Expressions are so interesting, regarding that "look at his wife" at the dinner table. My own Dad could freeze us kids with "The Look"--but neither of my parents were abusive. It was simply a no-nonsense look that said "No, and that's my final answer." or "Don't talk back, period." Many years later after he retired, my Dad worked part time as a bus driver for our state-run residential school for deaf and hard of hearing children. He was too old by then to effectively learn American Sign Language. When the kids started getting rowdy on his bus, he only needed to look into the rear-view mirror and give them "The Look" and they settled down. He never punished them and rarely even turned in to the school for bad behavior. "The Look" was enough; he was strict, but also very fair. It is amazing how much can be communicated with only a look. I do feel sad for the Menendez brothers, I can see their father giving that signal not to interfere.

[@pennysue8849]

Most of us at some point seen "the look"

[@theinspiredgardener6434]

If I was their mother, I’d be the one in prison for killing their father 😡

[@lahaza6515]

Their mother dismissed and covered for the father for years.

[@samie7025]

A lot of mothers are complicit in their children’s ab u se and hide behind the father. But Kitty was an ab u ser too😞

[@Veedub09]

If I was their mother I would have killed my husband. Then help my kids hide his body. Kidding, I’d have reported the dirty sod. No one would touch my kids and get away with it.

[@kayakazi7765]

Ja mother's just hide it.....they prioritise their husbands more than their kids it's aick

[@ecasey91]

Family members testified the mom would be covered in bruises, and I think one of the sons said he would r*pe Kitty too. It seems like they were such a dysfunctional family.

[@ecb1979]

I remember watching as a little girl and feeling like they were being honest about the abuse. Tragic case. Thanks for your analysis!!

[@sashasash9940]

They where abused ?? For real ?Not just claiming it to get away with it moore. Cause then i can maybe a bit understand why things went south.I dont know this case at all to be honest.

[@crowmedicine3890]

@@sashasash9940 yes, they were actually abused. From the time they were quite young, and horribly.

[@kelseymariel2127]

@@crowmedicine3890 At the time of that trial, none of that was believed. Lots of people believed back them they were fabricating that story to gain sympathy. Fast forward to today and it’s all being challenged.

[@crowmedicine3890]

@@kelseymariel2127 yes, you're right. I remember when this case happened. Everyone thought they were two evil guys just wanting to spend mom and dad's money.

[@chg1264]

@@crowmedicine3890 I think it’s a complex case. Lots of abuse and entitlement. They were already into petty crime and robbery.

[@rominaplanas7783]

Amazing that you guys said this two years ago and now with the Menudo documentary, it has come out that the Menendezes's father also raped one or some of the band members... so now the Menendez brothers are going to try to appeal again. I hope they get a shot at being free.

[@cynthiakluck-johnson5895]

I do too. I feel bad bc I misjudged these guys back in the day. Now that I am a mental health counselor and I see so much trauma, I'm so ashamed of myself.

[@mmm7m672]

The other video of what they went through is unimaginable that parents could do this & make them act like they are proper. Family's used to keep all the downfalls secret because no one wanted the neighbors to know God forbid. I pray they get another trial 🙏🏻 ✝️

[@maureeningleston1501]

I have to apologise !!! I think I"m becoming a stalker...............every week I find myself lurking in the shadows watching and waiting for your notification bell to ring.................Thank you for another excellent analysis.

[@donnaflynn8064]

I prefer groupie, a little less creepy.

[@maureeningleston1501]

@@donnaflynn8064 Ur right, I would like to amend that to an over enthusiastic panellist.

[@TheBehaviorPanel]

😮

[@zookuki]

I love that you covered this. I watched part of their trial after but couldn't get myself to watch everything. Feels almost like an invasion of privacy to witness them reliving their trauma - as if we as the public are piling on and complicit in their abuse. The media put a way different spin on their trial (and their persons) back in the day. Thanks for this one.

[@saadgt2009]

Gentleman, I'm a recent subscriber and have been binge watching. This video convinced me your genius may have a blind spot. It's clear to me, as a survivor of childhood (sexual-mental-verbal) abuse & emotional deprivation. Sitting-on hands = abuser probably warned him not to make any defensive moves. My personal Lived Experience; as an example: my mother screaming, "Stand and take it! How many times can I hit you? Eventually, I'll stop!" Equally, with aggressive dogs, her teaching was that I should never flee from an attack. Fair enough, I understood the logic. The result? I got bitten three times by rabid dogs. 14 shots in the abdomen, times THREE! Aside: we lived in a 3rd world country, not in a feverish dream of Cujo. Victims present differently to most people because IT'S ALL ABOUT THE POWER DYNAMIC! Both brothers show the deference victims often display towards people with greater power. Here, it's the prosecutor. Picture them in front of the father. Of COURSE, they called it Training. It's distancing, it may be the term the father/abuser used to explain the context of WHY-for what he's putting them through. Example: this training will make you a big strong man!

[@chanted1558]

I agree with you and I feel that type of abuse affects the psyche on a dangerously deep level. I admit to being biased but I feel that's a trigger for justifiable homicide And I know that may be because I haven't reached that level of healing in my journey. However, I can't deny the fact that ALL forward motion for a victim psychologically, emotionally, etc. has to be based in self empowerment and accountability. Whenever a victim of abuse acts without accountability they are complicit. These men chose to take the lives of Thier abusers , which I can not judge, but they did so with the intent of refusing to take accountability for Thier actions. The situation has evolved from David vs. Goliath and is now the Apprentice succeeding his master. They have to own Thier actions and accept the punishment is justified, it's the only thing that will set them free.

[@jellys2162]

i'm sorry you went through bad things!!! hope you're well now 🕊✨

[@lynnemusso9362]

I'm so sorry your adorable dog died, Scott. I understand the grief from losing a beloved pet.

[@mightymufasa12]

This is the best KZbin channel ever. You guys are absolutely brilliant.

[@hannsolotx8568]

Personally, I wish they would get put on close parole but released from prison, let them live happily for once in their lives before they die.

[@suzyq2389]

***HannSoloTX*** I appreciate the way you present this. I agree with you!

[@soberanobrasil9370]

They killed their parents. Why didn't they seek help or left the house? If they knew it was wrong? Why didn't they call the cops? You can't just kill people. It's basics.There were many solutions avaiable for them and they chose the worst.

[@zovalentine7305]

@@soberanobrasil9370 you can't abuse your children and call yourself a parent, karma will come calling

[@artcreationsbydar]

These men are not guys that will be a harm to society. They were terribly abused, and yes they did a very bad thing but they would not go on a killing rampage if let free. In my opinion, the father deserved to die. Maybe not so at the hand of the boys but who else would have done it? If there truly is a Hell, I hope he is down there! A heartbreaking story .

[@soberanobrasil9370]

@@zovalentine7305 Agree. But we have to obey society's rules. It is up to the Judiciary to decide about such parents. Otherwise it would be all a mess and even worst things would happen. But I believe in God and I believe that this kind of people have a very special place to them so that they can learn. And we as a society knowing that such things exist must make avaiable to young and older people help so that the bad guys have their time in prison and don't harm anyone else. And the victims can begin a treatment. Killing the abuser is a no solution. Thousands of years ago it was the answer. Today it isn't. 🌷🙏🌷

[@quikslvrx]

These poor guys never had a chance in life and I presume the majority of viewers will never understand what a mix of fear and shame creates. They were failed by their parents, coaches, teachers and eventually the judicial system.

[@julie-wb8cf]

I love the fact that I sense compassion in Greg, without him even expressing it.

[@kamalalove6083]

Hi Chase- I'd *love* a signed book from you! So... story vs. crime, does not give the address, does not ask for help, no anger or urgency, delays with no facts given, and he sets up his alibi vs. saying what happened, obvious fake crying. That is my analysis. I'm addicted to this channel. :)

[@cielecelestine3469]

Buy one.

[@johanericsson2403]

People just didn't want to hear about boys being raped by their own father, and they blamed these guys for talking about it. Watch the whole trial and listen to the way the judge e.g. talks to them - total contempt verging on anger and hatred. You were boys! Why didn't you just punch him off? That actually seems to be the attitude. Meanwhile they were 6 when the dad started assaulting them. Personally I don't blame them for killing their rapists - and I do include the sadistically complicit mom in that - just to make it end. Hell, just as revenge. But I can also believe they legitimately feared for their lives.

[@bonniehitchcock3191]

Agree!

[@mattysheehan9786]

I love how they give the disclaimer of “we’re not saying anyones guilty” And then proceed to explain why the person is innocent = truth telling or guilty= lying. They don’t specifically link the two, but it’s implied and it’s brilliant. Love it.

[@TheBehaviorPanel]

😮

[@kimmyfreak200]

the brothers admitted it...but pled not guilty for imperfect self defense...they were just explaining why

[@d3sign3rmom]

The crying in the 911 call sounded more like a "laughing cry". I've had a laughing cry when I've felt relief and grief at the same time. Understanding it from the perspective of a sexual abuse survivor, maybe they felt relief, knowing they won't be abused anymore but there's shock and grief that they actually killed their parents. The one brother couldn't see what he went through as abuse because he had been groomed into believing that what happened to him was normal (even though I'm pretty sure he didn't like the abuse at all)

[@Rock_Girl_Daze]

✌️

[@ouiouibien_1979]

On point!

[@hariman7727]

It sounded like a very fake cry to me too, and it did almost sound like laughter as well. Your theory also makes sense to me that it's relief at being freed of their abusers that's influencing the crying.

[@christistruth705]

I agree. It sounded like laughing. I think you’re right though because, as horrific as the act of killing was, it was a HUGE relief to be free of the abuse. My prayer for them is that they aren’t experiencing the same thing in prison.

[@kellymoore3037]

I thought exactly the same, a relief cry.

[@mabrams12]

I love Mark's accent and the fact that he can view these cases with 'fresh eyes.' You would be hard pressed to find an American adult who had never heard of this crime. I was only 6 at the time this occurred but became aware of it as a teenager.

[@songbird1307]

Hello, Again, Gentlemen! Thank you for doing this video. I asked for this one in the comments of the R Kelly video. You guys are awesome! 😃

[@TheBehaviorPanel]

Yay!

[@chulemua]

Watch Menendez vs Menudo, its heartbreaking, this brothers need a new trail, they need to be freed

[@MsTygame]

A trial. You hike on trail.

[@tanyafromjefferson5484]

Would really like to see you gentlemen do a video on the Stephanie Lazarus interrogation.

[@jankasza5538]

OMG...YES...she is a piece of WORK! The guys would have a blast critiquing her!

[@crowmedicine3890]

Oh, good one...

[@PanicattheDiscourse]

"her blink rate is... Negative 30???"

[@demyitra1704]

Oh this would be so much fun, I've seen it suggested a few times, so here's hoping!!!

[@razzle8140]

Schmeeda!

[@suzanne6441]

I hope they wouldn't be found guilty today. The idea of sexual abuse against men and boys hadn't been spoken about much, the church scandals were in the future. It shows how important it is to speak out. Sad they were in separate prisons for 22 years.

[@alanapiro7179]

I never believed there was sexual abuse. In the 90's many were saying sexual abuse on everyone. They made it bad for true sexual abuse!.

[@alanapiro7179]

Unfortunately, they used sexual abuse. It was a time people were using that. Women were coming out that their father's abuse them because of the nutty therapists. Big stars were coming out Roseann Barr, Oprah, etc. Later on they came out that the therapists kept telling them constantly your father sexually abused you. Now they came out & said it was not true. They ruined it for the real sexual abuse.

[@theoryofpersonality1420]

I'd convict them because they were lying.

[@sillyk6688]

@suzanne6441, they weren't found guilty back then either when the juries heard this. Initially they were tried separately and BOTH trials ended in hung juries. They then retried them together but barred the abuse and molestation testimony and they were convicted. The molestation testimony was allowed in the sentencing phase and some of the jurors were horrified and said they never would have convicted them had they heard all that.

[@theoryofpersonality1420]

@@sillyk6688 it was barred because it was a lie.

[@lile8602]

Whew. I was really nervous about this one. I was in college and watched the 1st trial on Court TV. I believed every word about the abuse and sobbed with Eric and Lyle during Eric''s testimony. I felt the "fear for my life" part was more defense strategy than lying but could not have cared less either way. Those parents built 2 bombs that went off in their living room it and killed them. I have been afraid that TBP were going to tell me that they were lying about the abuse and I would never trust my instincts again. The other ones I was maybe wrong about were documentaries that are following Chase Hughes manual for manipulating an audience's feelings ( mentioned in Tiger King analysis), this one I watched live and unedited, when it happened. My gut is not completely wrong.

[@stephaniek1076]

I believe that Eric really was in fear for his life. The kind of person that the dad was...controlling and overpowering...may have had psychopathology, I'm thinking. Rape is a crime of power, not sex (many people don't understand that). It was mentioned (although not in this footage) that the father would not let Eric leave. I believe him. The father sounds like the type that would hunt him down and kill him for "daring to defy his authority" and make a separate decision for himself. I'd bet that the two sons were viewed as chattel, and were expected to be mere extensions of the father's whims, desires and preferences...were likely not really allowed a right to themselves and their own separate existences as people. I understand what that's like, experientially. However, I also know that trying to describe what it's like to those who have not lived under such conditions, especially from childhood, is nearly impossible. It almost defies description; mere words hardly translate, and it doesn't even SOUND realistic to try and describe!

[@lile8602]

@@stephaniek1076 I think you described it very well. Eric was definately afraid, I just don't think it was the only reason they bought the guns. Legally though, fear for one's life is the only defense for killing so that is how it is framed in this case. That is the only part of their testimony that felt like the attorneys were directing their words. Fear of a life of sexual, physical, and psychological abuse, or protecting someone else from it in Lyle's case, would not have been an adequate defense to keep them off of death row. The laws should be changed in my opinion. It seems like the predators pretty much have free reign in this country and the legal system has their hands tied behind their backs and don't have the power to stop them. When victims kill their abusers, they often end up on trial. It is all twisted up

[@sundijohnson2486]

Love these vids. I studied Counselling and Psychology for five years but these guys blow what I've learnt out the water, taking it to another level!

[@angelinajannae3848]

I like how Mark always points at the subscribe button 😁

[@charmainepieters7008]

The sorrow of these brothers. So hard to witness 😪

[@SonyaSpencer-zu9kj]

I already loved you guys but the amount of insight and empathy all four of you displayed while interpreting what was going on here really impressed me. You have my full respect!

[@valentinajakusic2511]

I had a friend in school she was abused by her father from 6-10 years old. I had spend every day with her and you would never know that something is wrong. Then when she was 10 i saw the bruises on her all over, talked to my teacher and she called police. Her father admited all of it and you know what he got ??? Maybe 2 years in jail because i saw him near that same school.

[@Nan-Elle]

I felt really bad when he explained to the attorney the reason why the training was done. He sounded like a little boy who explained that "because you can swim faster that way." as though that was an actually reasonable way to train him. Like a little boy who has to put up with this scary abuse of being held under water because he was not only told it was for his own good...he sort of excuses it because it was for his own good. It was a way of "helping" him be stronger and faster. A normal young man would say "He claimed it would make me faster." But he says in a little boy way, "because you can swim faster that way." Very sad. I could almost hear my small grandson when I asked him last week why he drew the little car back two clicks on the track before he let it go. "Because it goes faster that way." These young men really suffered way too much. Does anyone wonder why they they became killers? You will obey and you won't ever rebel against anything Dad says or does. He's the boss.

[@pauline6521]

Horrific how their sexual abuse was dragged out of them in court.😊

[@dl7562]

Great video! I feel so sorry for these brothers.

[@commonsense2680]

I agree with Mark in their failure to call the abuse what it was, Horrible sexual abuse. Actually they were raped by their father repeatedly over years. That is what they suffered, and after years of humiliating horrible abuse, they end up in jail for life with no opportunity for parole. People, especially women, who have suffered from spousal abuse who end up killing their spouse have been found enough mitigation to get a lesser sentence or not guilty so why did these boys not get the same mitigation??? I think the media also had a hand at painting them as rich spoiled kids who just wanted money. They were stupid to spend so much just days after the murders, but I don't think money had to do with these murders, it was years of unbearable abuse. I am glad they both managed to find love even in prison.

[@---Joy---]

Unfortunately, Lyle married an abusive narcissist. Many abused children end up chosing abusive partners, statistically.

[@commonsense2680]

@@---Joy--- I hadn't heard that, I would think Erik more likely to meet a narcissist because he is the more sensitive and vulnerable brother. One of their wives is a defense attorney. Also, I believe Lyle had 2 wives, first being a model who divorced Lyle because he was allegedly having a verbal affair with another woman Then he married the "other" women. Obviously Lyle could not cheat in the sense of infidelity since they aren't allowed conjugal visits ever. I cannot believe they are never allowed sex with their own wives.

[@---Joy---]

@@commonsense2680 Sadly, it's his current wife.

[@commonsense2680]

@@---Joy--- That is too bad.

[@leticiakormann7206]

@@---Joy--- what makes you say that?

[@McRambleOn]

I’d love to see a whole episode on famous 911 calls, “real” and “fake”, so that we can better understand the concepts/check list items you mentioned. Also, it might help viewers understand that ppl can react very differently to stress when calling authorities. One can’t necessarily judge a person calling 911 on whether they show emotion or not, or what emotion they do show- discerning deception takes more thought than what’s on the surface. Ive heard mothers whose children were missing & called 911 that sounded worried & talked with a sense of urgency but were very matter of fact and able to give details about the child as well as express what happened clearly, while other mothers that called were frantic and howling or started crying as soon as they had to say their child was missing, that couldn’t express/remember how much they weighed let alone what they were wearing that day. I use that example bc you can’t judge a mother in shock who is desperate for help on whether they can control emotions or not- particularly when they know they have to communicate to get help. IMO they’re also the worst kinds no matter what... When you hear a 911 call it can be pretty dramatic and emotional whether it’s an act or not. However, hearing a few in a row can desensitize you and help a bit to listen for the points y’all bring up. It’s quite an interesting subject and I love the guides y’all made. Thanks for the hard work and great content!

[@tannascreative6130]

The parents got what they deserved. I seriously have no sympathy for them. And the Mom!? She didn't intervene to stop it?! She is just as bad as the Dad. RIP (or not)

[@bababui69foru]

Thanks Frau Hitler. Who else do you believe deserves to be murdered execution style?

[@MesoCarib]

@@bababui69foru People who invoke Hitler to stick up for pedophiles, maybe.

[@bababui69foru]

@@MesoCarib Or people who believe in vigilante execution style murder. Way to tell me that you and your moronic allies are low IQ and sociopathic without telling me.

[@looking4things669]

Wow. don't serve on a jury, please! Of course, they exaggerated to win. You know nothing about the mother. They are liars and thieves. They were wealthy but broke into their less fortunate friends' homes and ripped them off.

[@florence_92]

Thanks for the video. I'm in the middle of watching the whole trial, this story is heart-wrenching. The details about their lives that they talk about are horrendous. Please make a second video on the subject of the motive 🙏 From all that I've heard until now from the trial I feel like the two young men really where fearing for their lives. Now, after having watched virtually the complete trial, after having it let all sink in and having watched your video again, I think they were both: in fear for their lives and enraged, rightfully so. Were they conscious about the latter or admitting it to themselves? I am not sure. Did it give them the right or make it ok to kill their parents? Absolutely not. Did they serve enough time in prison? In my opinion, yes.

[@robinmarlo6560]

I do believe there is distancing, because of the abuse, by how "dad" is said vs. "my mom". As a domestic abuse survivor, I never call the x "my x". He is always "the x" to whomever I am talking to or when I am writing about him. I do not want to be associated by calling him "my x" ever again.

[@jenniferdigi5345]

Totally get that

[@cherylbradley9156]

I had the same thought.

[@16percentpower24]

I’ve never looked too far into this case, because I don’t know if I could handle it…although, I’ve come a long way. However, the point about people who are abused as young children become very observant…After a lot of counseling, my therapist told me that my abuse (from an older step brother) made me hyper vigilant. That made SO much of my life make more sense to me. It’s just sad that it took til my mid 30s to get that help. My mom did get me help at the time, but I had already started suppressing. So, there was really only so much they could do. My brain wasn’t ready to deal with it. In fact, most of my memories, now, are as if I’m floating above watching it happen instead of being a part of it.

[@MW-bv3wu]

When Scott said that about becoming observant, I tensed up. It's odd, which things turn out to be triggers.

[@user-bm4xd4ir5x]

Imagine being married to one of these guys and trying to deny that you ate the last of the ice cream... 😂

[@ohdear2275]

Or that you've had this dress forever and didn't just spend a fortune on it.

[@goodmorningsundaymorning4533]

Or that you weren't drinking at a party.

[@sarahholmes2277]

I'd be stuffed since I sleep walk completely unbeknown to me and I often sleep walk/eat lol.

[@sarahholmes2277]

@@mrsmacca126 if only you could sight my face with your wonderful comment. I'm beaming bigger than Christmas, it has a name !? I did not know that and I haven't come across any answers with my gp. Maybe they've thought it, or me, is being a bit silly, but it is very difficult and has created lots of further daily difficulties. Thank you so very much, I could hug you through the screen and know that I am 🙏. I am goggling right now.

[@lisakrings1394]

Hahaha I never thought of this! They were get me in a second 😜🤪😜

[@atlasheyzal9178]

Also, to Mark, this was a loooooong time ago, and no one talked about sexual abuse, especially involving a boy and his father. That's why they were, "softening," it. Possibly, yes, they didn't want to hone in on the violent motive, but this was miiiiiiiiiiiind blowing at the time when it happened. Plus, it's really difficult to talk about abuse as a child, it's hard to say it, even if it is the truth. No one wants to say, yeah, my father raped me, and my mom turned a blind eye to it

[@dirtisbetterthandiamonds]

They were also blowing the lid off all the pedo stuff going on in Hollyweird. Even if that was not the intention, it was a peek into what we know now is widespread abuse and human trafficking.

[@amazingsupergirl7125]

They both said exactly that on the stand

[@sammycinnamon7300]

Fast becoming my favourite :) The fab four for the thinking woman.

[@sashasash9940]

Hello you ! Nice seeing you again.I just recognized you ! Yes this i love.Could easily have one episode per day from these guys !

[@sammycinnamon7300]

@@sashasash9940 hi! 👋 these guys are awsome aint they? Xx

[@sashasash9940]

@@sammycinnamon7300 👋 yes indeed they are !Xx

[@terrimialittle367]

To me, it sounds more like laughter than cry on the 911 phone call.

[@debsreno911]

That's what it sounds like to me too.

[@thedykewitch]

it sounded like laughter but it was actually either hysteria or fake hysteria. however it wasn't laughter.

[@wowapalooza]

When people see or go through something extremely traumatic one of the ways that the body can uncontionsly react as a coping mechanism is exactly that, so it seems to me that could have been a genuine thing that he could not control at that moment.

[@thedykewitch]

@@wowapalooza as soon as lyle heard confirmation to whether he was talking to the police, he changed his voice dramatically. go and listen again, im not so sure if it was a genuine reaction

[@wowapalooza]

@@thedykewitch you may be right

[@MellyLyn958]

I wish ya'll would discuss the actual abuse, to see what you feel whether they killed parents for THAT reason. I also believe they weren't ALLOWED and possibly PUNISHED for crying, and that's why they can hold it all together.

[@heathermallory2096]

They were on meds and it had been several years at this point.

[@samanthacook2495]

Wow; what a Catch-22! Without the sexual abuse the murders would most likely have never happened, yet for Lyle and Eric to admit that there may be even a tenuous link between the abuse and the killings makes it more likely that they would face the death penalty? Where is the justice in that?

[@darthbigred22]

If the state only put as much effort in OJ..Ito should have overruled the jury.

[@hanytalya5322]

I think you should do Eric on cross examination, when he's not in his so called comfort zone. I think he is one of the most truthful person I have ever seen! especially in those situations. I am truly taken by his level of honesty and by how humble he is, even when treated terrible by the prosecution.

[@kelseymariel2127]

Would love an analysis on Jeffrey MacDonald. He’d be a great one to do.

[@dirtisbetterthandiamonds]

In the 911 call when the operator asks "Are they there?" It sounds like Lyle (?) at first thought she was asking if his parents were there, then realizes she was asking if the shooters were there and he changes his answer to no. The operator was so agitating! She had that cadence like "What Lassie?! What is it girl?! OH NO! LITTLE TIMMY FELL IN THE WELL!?!?!? Is that it girl?! Come on Lassie SPEAK!"

[@dlpatrie8466]

The dispatcher is one of the worst I've ever heard. Extremely unprofessional.

[@lotusspider7]

He probably thought "of course they are still here, they have been shot!" However, subliminally answered honestly by saying "yes the shooters are still here." he admitted seconds into the lie.

[@gilenasimons7081]

I have always been fascinated with this case. I think it’s such a clear case of nature and nurture. Not just any two sons decide shot gun blasts are the best way to solve family dysfunction. And watching these two, I can see the role their father played in teaching them how to act in the aftermath. As always, I appreciate what y’all do to educate and clarify how sometimes (most times?) our bodies speak louder than our words. Thanks much.

[@Robertito1205]

That one part at the end of the 911 call when the caller said, “..ok I gotta go 👋🏻”

[@lotusspider7]

Which sounded odd because of the baby talk tone; which was ramped up when the second person got on the 911 call. They may not have known if they were talking to an adult or a child. Until "..ok I gotta go."

[@rhondawhite3742]

After watching this video, it’s obvious they were abused and snapped 😢 They have paid their debt, it’s time to release them.

[@AllTheThingsOfHome]

Agree 100%

[@yolandaharris2096]

I watch these like it's homework lol 😂😂😂

[@LittleMissHoop]

lol

[@feliciarizzo6841]

By the way...i studied this story extensively...they were horribly sexually abused by their father while the mother drank herself into a stupor and stayed for the money...yes they went crazy after the murders but that is typical behavior when youve been controlled and humiliated all your life...saddest story ever in my book...the testimony of how the father sexually abused them is vile...the aunt testified in the first trial and stated she couldnt believe it took them so long to kill them...second trial the judge would not allow her testimony....what a shame...

[@samantha5367]

@DOC HOLIDAY why do they need to prove anything to you?

[@commonsense2680]

100 percent agree. This story makes me so sad. I never realized at the time of their trial in the 1990s how bad the abuse was and how honest the boys were. They should never have gotten life in prison, there was clear mitigation. Parents like that should not exist, they brought all of their loss on themselves.

[@allisonaanderson]

And why didnt this POS Aunt call the cops and do something about it before it came to this? This went on for decades. Shame on her! She was an enabler.

[@GA-fz2wt]

They've served long enough, the witnesses who have nothing to gain, family, friends, coaches etc told how the father was towards them & that was in public, so God knows what happened behind closed doors! I believe them about the way they were treated and the abuse & I'm not surprised they killed them, horrible twisted paedophile parents! 🤮

[@claudwater]

Scott, we have two jugular veins, one on the left and one on the right side of the neck.

[@Reneemfenn]

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[@user-en7ox9nz1v]

This triggers my worst and best childhood memories.. learning the worst things from my dad the worst ways one afternoon. And then two years later having a chance to what I kept thinking at the time, "I can kill him and walk, I'm just a kid, he's threatening my mom, he's been jailed for assaulting her three times, I can kill him and walk!!!" I'd been practicing pulling the shotgun up to my shoulder and holding it tight as I could. Then just as he entered the room and Mom was behind me, just as he stepped into the darkness, I cocked both barrels and he FROZE as I said the happiest words of my life, "take another step, Daddy." I felt like "who's got the power now, Daddy?!" Mom was stuttering, he took a step back, I had a brain wreck and then let him live. But he knew. That he knew was enough. I'm so glad I got that opportunity, and just as glad he stepped backwards instead of forward. I wish it was in a movie, cause every kid that's been through that, needs to get to live it vicariously. You don't have to actually kill em. Coming close sometimes is plenty

[@user-en7ox9nz1v]

I hope you guys don't think I should feel guilty for almost ending my dad, cause I have never gotten over being proud that I didn't.

[@elizabethmay7262]

Don't feel guilty. Sadly we are pushed into corners in life we resort to extreme things to get out of it. You did nothing wrong in my book.

[@onyxsiniardi]

@Lollie Dot Com I’m so proud of you, you have no idea. I don’t think you should feel a shred of guilt for protecting yourself and your Mama. You are a strong woman (and were such a strong child/young woman). Your dad should continue to have a healthy fear of you and I do hope that your mother got away from him. Stay the strong woman that you are. I also hope that one day, you’ll get a movie deal. I’d be the first to buy a ticket for the premier! I’ve always said if anyone ever wrote a movie about my life, I’d want Cher to play my character. Who would you choose to play you in the film about your life?

[@user-en7ox9nz1v]

@@onyxsiniardi Oh Thank you. I can see you as Cher by the generosity of your spirit! I'd have to be played by Kathy Bates. Not sure who could play me as a kid. She'd have to be fat, and FAST. Daddy died years ago. Mom too. It's all okay now. I think I might have felt guilty if I'd killed him. But since I didn't, when I think of it, I can't help but grin again. It's odd, I gently catch and release spiders and wasps rather than kill them. I feel like I don't have a killin bone in my body, but Lord, Lord, I was ready to happily kill him that night. (Years later I realize how sickening murder with a double barrel shot gun would be. So gross.) But at the time. I didn't think one instant past killing him. I'm so lucky he took a step backwards. Whew!

[@margomeave9064]

I felt every word. I’m sorry you and your mom were abused. I’m grateful you didn’t pull the trigger & am so proud of you for your resolve in going through with the threat. Also, you are a great writer. In your writing style, I almost lived your dreadful saga. You are a miracle. Stay kind & gentle.

[@cormorant12]

If you watch Erik's testimony, particularly pertaining to the murders and the sexual abuse, I am not saying it's not rehearsed but he has serious trouble sticking to a script. I think he was too heavily triggered to keep his thoughts together. He constantly gives answers different to what his attorney wants. His attorney does get busted for leading but she is almost stuck having to do it. One of the jurors thought he was dumb as a box of rocks after listening to it (he isn't) and felt sorry for his attorney. I have trouble believing he could lie about anything significant in this state, he wouldn't be able to keep the details straight in his mind.

[@der5565]

exactly, he definitely wouldn't be able to lie especially since he could've even keep in the fact that him and lyle killed their parents, and blurted it out so what makes people think he would lie in the testimonies?

[@JuliettaRabens]

I tend to hear the 911 as authentic hysteria, but it's based on remember interviews with the Menendez brothers from back when this happened where they described vomiting after committing the crime. We get normalized to the "cold blooded killer" notion, but I think they were emotionally intense about it. They seem calm in the courtroom, but it would be interesting to verify the account of the crime scene vomiting and true hysteria.

[@DaughterofAslan16]

Apparently Erik was calm in court because he was on Xanax, etc. There are a bunch of people who’ve testified that Erik was an absolute wreck for months afterward. The day of the murder they said he was hitting his head on a tree and kept trying to run back inside the house and Lyle had to stop him.

[@foundersmusicmedia5772]

I missed the banter in the first 30 seconds. Don’t go stuffy on me guys. 🤪😉Love the friendship of this panel.

[@DawnNY]

Yes, and I missed the "Out takes" Scott, please leave them in. When Greg's screen froze I laughed for days. Love you guys❣️❣️❣️❣️

[@foundersmusicmedia5772]

& the whistling was a nice touch too. This Ol’ Man!

[@sharonmclachlan3690]

I would like to see you review both Oziel & Jose Menendez. So much to learn I am sure.

[@rebekahcrossman4690]

I know the purpose of this is to learn body language but in reading some of the comments it’s clear so many people still, like the jury, just can’t fathom what these boys are expressing because they can’t see through the lense of a victim of abuse. There really seems to be a lot of misjudgment. If you just consider for a moment 2 boys growing up terrified of their own father’s abuse but also at the same time revering him because as a father figure he represents, strength, success and power, then you can understand how their boundaries of what was their “fault” vs the abuser is messed up. They’re likely to always think If dad is so strong and successful, there must be something wrong with me, it’s something about me that allows him to do this. A father who controls them with fear takes away their power, or way to completely justify running away. They grow up with deep PERSONAL shame and self-loathing that keeps them from ever having the strength and confidence to speak out and get help. I think that can never entirely go away because their brains have been so deeply shaped to think this during its development, you can only imagine when their story had to be on display for all the world to judge. People need to realize how common this kind of abuse is. But I think so many don’t want to imagine this. Sadly, for some it’s easier to degrade these boys as being so spoiled, not to mention so stupid that they actually killed their parents without ever having thought through all the evidence they’d leave behind.

[@michellebreitbarth4279]

This was a great one, about a year ago I watched the trial. It was great to see the way all 4 of you analyzed it! 💖

[@sylvieguenette4318]

What an extremely sad case all around...

[@mrs.hancock4124]

The Menendez brothers is such heartbreakingly egregious case in a miscarriage of justice. They were convicted by the prejudices of financial envy/resentment based upon the atypical socioeconomic status of great wealth they were born into indifferent to the totality of horrific circumstances of a lifetime of dehumanizing abuse.

[@cormorant12]

There was this strange logic that if the father was financially successful he could not be that bad, which makes no sense if you consider what kind of personality qualities often allow people to make it in such a competitive environment. I think people were far too captivated by the American dream of rags to riches at the time. So Jose getting rich played in his favour. But because the brothers were his children and thus came from wealth and were used to spending a lot of money, that somehow made them bad. I seriously saw it being held against them that they turned up to the arraignment in expensive suits. Apparently young men who lived in a Beverly Hills mansion were supposed to buy cheap clothes, drive cheap cars, stay in cheap hotels and move to crummy apartments for people not to hate them. And being an abuse victim and a rich kid who spent a lot was seen as mutually exclusive. The prosecution simultaneously insisted they had killed for money and held it against them how much money they'd spent while the parents were alive (both mainly with Lyle as he was by far the biggest spender). If the parents allow you to throw money around while you are alive, why kill for money? Especially if you'd been told you'd been disinherited, which was confirmed by other witnesses. You'd want you parents to stay alive for as long as possible so you are not left penniless and so that they have the time to change their minds and put you back into the will. I think very few people actually paid close attention at the time and realised the money motive was pretty thoroughly discredited first before the grand jury and then at the trial itself. In the second trial I think the prosecution didn't even bother with money any more.

[@abiwilliams4759]

i feel like both of these comments really sum up their situation and the bias of how if you’re rich that means you’re life wasn’t actually that hard and that it was unlikely they experienced abuse because they had money, so why wouldn’t they be happy? (i’m not sure if that makes sense). i think it’s tragic, also not to mention that if they were girls i believe that this case would’ve been treated a whole lot differently.

[@dalepaperno1983]

You bought the totally fabricated lie of the brilliant defense attorney; Leslie Abramson. They had $14 million reasons to murder their parents. am astonished that you all defend these men who spent 700K and drove their dead mother's car around immediately following their murders. While many excuse their silence about the alleged abuse; these murderers had no qualms about talking to EVERYBODY after the fact. I cannot believe that other analyses of suspects who "leaked" the same signals led to a guilty verdict (by you) are rationalized and not dissected with the same vigor. These men had acting coaches, and still, their bodies and voices showed they lied about everything. Must we all suspend our rational minds when someone cries abuse? Now that millennial are defending these greedy, arrogant assholes because they are "hot," I question how much you are swayed by a completely fabricated defense told by good looking young white men. I hope you enjoy the company you keep. Disgusting.

[@sacredground7767]

Thank you Mark for calling it like it is, when you say it looks like everyone's lying. I can only imagine how much more horrific trauma & personal cluster-mess this "legal" proceeding has caused. In actual fact, this process is simply unrealistic to expect people who have grown up sexually, mentally, emotionally & spiritually tortured to separate "why" they killed their perpetrators (aka "parents") into compartments or boxes. This process of court proceedings is highly abusive in itself. OMG. Mark, you've nailed it. It's so heartbreaking on so many levels.

[@MsRobbie42]

Is it just me annoyed at the 911 operator? "I've got a hysterical person here" I would assume that is part of the job.

[@sherilea5059]

She seemed shocked …were they shot? They were shooot?? Lady, you do know you work for an emergency line…right?

[@melodimoore4321]

Remember this was Beverly Hills. This kind of thing didn’t happen.

[@epowell4211]

In all the true crime stuff I've watched for decades, I have yet to hear what I would assume to be the standard of professionalism expected from a dispatcher. The closest I have heard is when a very young child is the caller - then they sound human, understanding, yet still down to business. The mental image of I get from most conversations are either that the dispatcher was sitting at the beauty shop when someone interrupts with "someone got hurt' (mildly interested in the gory details, but mostly bored) or about to have an argument with someone who got on their last nerve when the call interrupts and they have to pretend to be professional (exasperated, angry, trying to get the call over ASAP and pissed the caller can't just get the details out.)

[@yourservice1961]

On the 911 call the operator asked "is the person who did it still there" the call says "yes, I mean no"???!!!

[@gd8740]

I cought that too!

[@alkahinat4558]

👀

[@taylorthomas8869]

Jose Mendez looks sadistic in pictures I believe these boys! 😢

[@WolfRoss]

Dad was from Cuba. Mom was from Chicago. They went from middle class to Beverly Hills wealthy.

[@ladylike2220]

Can we get a video on Elisabeth "Betty" Broderick?

[@MsLambchop]

Another fascinating subject! Yes!

[@DS40764]

He was crying because he probably was relieved, emotionally, to be free of them and at the same time realized how horrifically they behaved AND was sad, all at the same time. I believe the crying was real (on the 911). I don't believe in this case, that they should be in jail for life. 20 years would have been an appropriate sentence. Just like a dog who puts up with years of abuse, that dog will eventually bite someone. This is an instance, when I believe mercy should be applied. And believe me, I'm rather hardnosed ( I believe in the death penalty, for some people). I know a little about the abuse dynamic and feelings from personal experience and let's put it this way: I feared "authority" and disliked them at the same time . I was also molested from a stranger and had a Mother who wouldn't believe much of what I said when young, and I couldn't reveal this to anyone.

[@DS40764]

@Lana Cagney Hey everyone has an opinion (even though it may not be factual). But, I don't need to take your abuse for having one, and won't

[@royal7376]

I don’t want to speak as factually as if I know the direct answer for why or what motivated them to go to such an extreme case of murder but the father was not allowing them to move out, he forbid them from moving out when they got older and I would imagine that constantly having to look your sexual abuser everyday in the face and having the feeling of never being able to get away from them would weigh very heavily on anyone. I also feel like people don’t take into count that the older brother was in constant fear for his younger brother who he probably didn’t want to just up and abandon hin that situation because he has said that he would take his younger brother away from that house and move away but his father once again forbid it and threatened them both if they ever tried anything. I’m not trying to justify murder because I don’t think anything can justify “murder” but in the case that they claim self defense because up until they were 21 and 18, they lived in constant fear and torture, I think was somewhat justified? Idk it’s just a hard case to morally try to justify two horrible situations put into one scenario, I think people want to believe them and people do believe them, they just find it extremely hard to try and justify “murder” because it’s such a hard thing to correctly justify in these situations but I will say this case was handled so badly by the media that it pains to look back on and see what was drowned out.

[@lvandes4917]

Love the show! Just one note on the jugular veins, they are on both sides not just on one side as you point out Scott. (Both sides an internal and external jugular vein) greets from the Netherlands 🇳🇱

[@mackereltabbie]

OK, I was all set to be cynical and judgemental... and then that poor kid is struggling to stop himself from openly defending his mother's incestuous behaviour. F@&#

[@CherylAnnRose]

I don’t blame them for deception in the why they killed their parents.

[@lynnemusso9362]

I just watched the Menendez Brothers Erik Talks on Hulu. I was in my 30's when this happened and the world was watching this case. I believe they were abused but don't think killing their parents was the answer. It's such a shame they didn't move out as they were of the age. Unfortunately, a lot of people are abused as children but don't kill the abuser. Btw, I have a crush on Greg!

[@angelatorok3451]

And anyone who has actually been abused would have to think this was a poor defense. These boys got screwed by their family and then again by their council.

[@Chekery_animatinons]

Absolutely and unfortunately it is far too common even today.

[@amygentry4351]

The wool is pretty thick over your eyes. Don't say you fell for that story too? They're terrible liars. That whole abuse story was their lawyers idea you know.

[@tuppy]

Oh poor Albert, he was so cute. I'm sorry for your loss Scott. Greg, I'm so sorry for the loss of your child. I'm not sure what to say, it can only be any parents worst fear. Sending you and your wife loving thoughts from Australia xo

[@josiecamilo7098]

People didn't realize hey theres two kids two not one that murdered parents. Red flag especially since they have no prior history of violence. They obviously had reasons and most people will not say they were sexually abused its not something to proudly state especially by patents 🤦

[@charliechurch5004]

They were GROWN MEN!!!! news flash they wanted the MONEY!!!! they were spoiled brats!!!

[@jay-el-bee]

​@@charliechurch5004bias much?! 😂

[@mariadonkova2759]

​@charliechurch5004 Your either a troll, or another one of those Andrew Tate fan boys who believes that men can't be victims