💥 ED KEMPER the CO-ED KILLER Who Shocked America - Body Language Analysis

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[@tamarm6981]

I love you guys!!! I been asking for this one and it's here!! You guys are the best! Thank you!! 😍😍😍

[@FailFries]

Would it be possible to post links to the original videos that you guys use, please? It helps to be able to watch it unedited first. Thanks!

[@mikemason3882]

I hope they look into and do show on dylan rounds. Especially the fathers on heavy D interview. When interviewer asked him what he thought happened and other crucial times he snaps down and left. In this shed where the boy may have been harmed. In this video only he clutches his stomach and leans into it like nerves. Something there.

[@LadyLuck13]

@Lara Cross don't be silly, I'm talking about cases that are happening in the news right now.

[@kcody5646]

@@LadyLuck13 silly silly silly…….news right now? Well, makes sense I guess if they were all sitting around watching the news and at the exact moment there is a breaking bulletin they start analyzing WHAT? Bored before it even starts? Move along little doggie, move along lol…..

[@wisewizard6311]

Greg would intimidate me, Chase would trick me, Mark would lull me into a confession, Scott would just plain out smart me,

[@BookishDark]

What is wrong with me that Greg just comes across like such a nice guy? Lol I’m sure he could intimidate the hell outta me - I don’t know him obviously lol - but every time they mention stuff like that I’m like, “really?? Greg would do that??” I think it’s probably because he looks so much like a psychiatrist I saw who was such a nice sweet man - I can’t imagine Greg being vicious lol

[@BookishDark]

Also I think mark would totally twist me around in various storytelling archetypal artistic discussions and I’d suddenly admit something in my own ramblings…that is, if I could stop myself from randomly yelling out, “stress and presh-ah!!!!” as I’m wont to do these days 😂😂😂

[@OKbeingdifferent]

Would love to talk to Mark over a beer. He'd be a great pub conversation

[@julianchamberlain5399]

Mark's hair would shock me into confession

[@julieB715]

Sadly I will never not beleive every word Scott says whats that about? I so wouldn't upset Greg

[@michellewoolman8979]

These shows are sooo much better when you replay clips of gestures about which you are discussing!!! Thanks so much for doing this.

[@DaralynS]

Mark, you totally nailed this one with your commentary about holding the two realities. I don’t feel you get recognized for how astute and insightful you are. Bravo!

[@mjremy2605]

Oh yes, he does! With me.

[@bobnoble9442]

His mother didn't just scold him to make him mind. She was a lunatic too and made him sleep in the cellar and constantly degraded him. When the state released him after killing his grandparents, the psychologists recommended he not be placed back with his mother and the state placed him back with her. Great job by the idiots "in charge."

[@Shaman-Sun18]

Great point! Being around critical and abusive ppl is enough to make a child develop abnormal behaviors, add that it comes from someone whose expected to be nurturing and protective, forget about it! A recipe to living a life in the Twilight Zone

[@x.miller3053]

that is definitively awful but most people who go through similar upbringings or worse do not end up murdering others! its one piece of the reason, not everything

[@charmaynebruce6215]

@@x.miller3053 Precisely!

[@aug3014]

My older brother was the scapegoat to an emotionally and physically abusive mother. The greatest pain of my life, greater than the pain of my own abuse, is my memory of watching her hurt him. He wasn’t a monster as a child, though many people might call him a monster now. He wanted desperately to be loved by her. Listening to Ed Kemper makes me very sad.

[@bazzanjapan2448]

Ed Kemper in his early years being interviewed in the 1970s & 80s was just a fascinating person for me to watch out of all the serial killers!! I also can't wait for the Behaviour Panel to give their expert opinions of him!!!

[@taylorhill5598]

To be fair, Kemper really did hang out in police bars, most notable The Jury Room. There's even a plaque that talks about his history in the bar itself where he was known as "Big Ed". I love the show! However, I do wish you guys would read a quick history about the suspect as I've noticed that you sometimes dispute facts that are actually well known to various cases, and these rebuttals have nothing to do with their body language. For instance, Scott saying the cops, "Would've caught onto him" and "this guy is asking a lot of questions, let's talk to him!" That's absolutely what would happen today because of the profiles of people like Kemper and statistics indicating that the perpetrator of a crime is more likely to be interested and/or interfere with the investigation. This was the 70's! They didn't have the benefit of 50 years of hindsight through which we view the case today, and everybody was talking about the case at the time in the area. It just seems like you guys have a tendency to say "that didn't happen" sometimes when there's no relation to body language whatsoever, and it can undermine the validity of factual statements that you do make. Not asking you to be forensic or case experts, but a little familiarity with the case, even barebones facts, would bolster the rest of the analysis and make a stronger case for body language without erroneous assertions detracting from the discourse.

[@stevebutler812]

Damn! I was in The Jury Room once. Drive by it but never knew. Have to check that out. Thx! Not a bar type guy, but thats worth a stop and a brewski. See ya on the Boardwalk dude.

[@dannygray4898]

To be honest, Ed would have played these 4 like pianos. They are totally under estimating him. There's a reason SO many girls wrongly trusted him, and why he turned himself in, after finally killing his mother. Ed was one F'd up individual, but he wasn't dumb.

[@isthiswherewecamein6130]

I've seen a couple interviews with Kemper, and he actually addresses people talking too much about a case, whether it be by asking an unusual amount of questions or just showing interest. He said he actually went out of his way not to talk about the murders happening in the community. Because he knew that was one of the things police used to zero in on suspects. So, he was ahead of the curve even by 1970's standards.

[@HettiedeKorteDiplomaat]

Good point.

[@mariaellis2882]

Ed is so smart and methodical.

[@orianacameron3927]

So, Ed Kemper used to narrate books for the blind, my great grandma was blind, so I grew up on hearing Ed Kempers voice from time to time, and when I grew up and found out who that voice belonged to, it shattered a big part of my childhood lol

[@kennedy9464]

I've heard you guys talk about culture many times. Well, the past is also another country. I would have been a teenager when all this was happening. I can remember a constant stream of documentaries and articles with 'experts' blaming mothers for the worst aspects of male violence. It's where I first heard the word 'overbearing'. Mothers were too mean, too doting, too distant, too close, too neglectful, too protective. The mother story played right into the social zeitgeist and demonstrated to those same 'experts' that he was just as knowledgeable as they were. The young Kemper used to break into the prison psychiatrist's files to see what other sick individuals had done, how they were caught, how they justified their crimes. He left prison that first time fully armed with everything he needed to know to accomplish what came next.

[@kellykelly2938]

Exactly, people and experts that think that criminals get locked up and come out better are kidding themselves. There the few exceptions (I don’t like using broad brushes), but in general criminals pick up more tricks from others that are locked up as well.

[@harryparsons2750]

Locking people in cages with others like them and how do you think they are going to come out?

[@gretchencook159]

It’s so helpful to see a psychopath/sociopath cry, and then have you guys explain it. If you’ve been around these people, it is very confusing to see them cry. It’s a relief to hear they might just be crying about themselves. I never thought of that.

[@AshleyWilliams-xq7lj]

Want a good tip for sussing out narcissists? If you're genuinely crying because someone hurt you, and they say "you're only sorry for yourself," then they're a narcissist projecting their shriveled black heart onto you.

[@lc-bb6bd]

This is why I don’t agree with people that say teenagers that murder shouldn’t spend the rest of their lives in prison. If he had stayed in prison from 15 on all those lives he took would still be here. All the pain he caused would’ve ended with the grandparents death.

[@josephine1046]

One of my favourite Netflix series is mindhunters and oh my goodness, watching this makes me realise how fantastic the guy who played him is almost identical with his cadence and demeanour. Great video as always guys ❤

[@ladyhotep5189]

Mind hunters was awesome. Sad they didn't keep going.

[@AshleyWilliams-xq7lj]

Fun fact: that actor was barely tall enough to audition. I'm so glad he was! They gave him lift shoes because he's only 6'5 and Kemper is 6'9.

[@elainetise4535]

I'm happy that the BP reiterated that psychopaths do not come with warning labels. A person's encounter with an anti-social, personality type might not be, thankfully, on the level of Ed Kemper; however, if one gets involved with an asocial person, he or she will not walk away unscathed. Thanks for another great show!

[@NerdosaurusJules]

I know this is an old video, but i hope you guys went back after and watched a documentary or something on this guy. There's documentation of many of the things you said you didn't think happened. Like he really did hang out with cops, they knew him, and they never suspected him until he turned himself in. Even then, they thought it was a bad joke, he had to actually convince them that it was really him. He's really fascinating to learn about.

[@LisaMischke]

The irony of Kemper is that everything he hates so much about his mother he has become himself. A great example of this is that he buried a victim's head under the bedroom of his mother so that the victim would look up to the mother because she supposedly liked people looking up to her. Kemper himself absolutely loves his role as a celebrity prisoner, “expert” and people who hang on his every word.

[@katfromthekong414]

The most terrifying thing about Kemper is that he's not terrifying.

[@susannemontagnemslmtryt7885]

He's a wolf 🐺 in psychologist's clothing.

[@katiegwynn4495]

He scares the crap out of ME! When I watched these guys cover Gacy, though, I felt like I was visiting an old friend when I heard him speak. I had to keep shaking myself awake so I could really hear what he was saying. So creepy!

[@katfromthekong414]

@@katiegwynn4495 Kemper never used to scare me, which is what scares the crap out of me now. I would've bought it hook, line and sinker if I wouldn't know what he did. It's that he seems so self aware and calm when he explains how his mind works

[@katiegwynn4495]

@@katfromthekong414 I know what you mean. I guess I was the same with Gacy .he talked about killing like he would talk about a trip to the store! He spoke so calmly that I wasn't even hearing his messed up stories! I think Kemper is a worse serial killer though. If there is such a thing

[@Mehki227]

@@katfromthekong414 Every comment I've ever read about him, people have always thought he was the most forthright and honest of the serial killers. I'm so glad I'm watching this because it takes the panel to show us the BS that's going on under the veneer. 😳

[@wendychavez5348]

I was in a coma for multiple weeks after my traumatic brain injury, and my memory was practically nonexistent for a while after I emerged. What I remember from that period is a recurring dream, that I was trying to wake up, but "they" kept "pushing me back under" and telling me that I was sleeping and couldn't wake up. I finally "decided for myself" that I was going to wake up anyway, and that's when I started remembering multiple consecutive moments--so this dream reflected reality, only not perfectly. I also have brief memories of my early life that feel like I'm watching home movies taken by my best friend; it's a first-person experience, with a degree or two of separation. Kemper's attitude reminds me of both those experiences, when I almost remember, and want to remember, but can't quite grasp the memory. "Disturbing" is an understated way to put it.

[@tammycook1475]

I bet that was and still is scary. I’m sorry you have to go through that.

[@wendychavez5348]

@@tammycook1475, thank you. It's not as scary as expected, because I have no memory of ever being different; my family has had it much worse than I in that respect.

[@tammycook1475]

He got in a car wreck when he was 23 and cannot remember any of his life before the accident. Crazy what our brain can do huh.

[@iconc1402]

I was the scapegoat for an emotionally and physically abusive narcissistic mother. Her facade to friends and others was gracious, and even indulgent toward me. She forced me to perform as though this was the truth. She was a monster, but I felt for her, I knew she was traumatised by her parents. She projected all her fury, self loathing and worthlessness into me. It became mine, thats the way I felt about myself. I used to lie awake at night and imagine killing her- when I desperately wished to love her, and be loved by her. I hated myself for these feelings of violence- I knew it was wrong. The fury, self loathing and feeling of worthlessness expressed itself internally- I took drugs, self harmed, dissociated, my nervous system collapsed, my posture twisted, I attempted suicide rather than express outwards. Maybe he was a psychopath to start with, I wasnt. I had some insight into what was going on. To get Jungian for a sec, I had no choice but to take on her shadow material, it drove me, it was like a "demon", and I also had to deal with my own. There is a part of me that wishes I could have just expelled it all upon other people, but I couldnt do that- I knew what it felt like. Instead, I became over empathetic and other exploiters seemed to have a radar for my own low self worth to take advantage of. Its been a long road of healing, Im still not there, dont know if I'll ever be.

[@pennyp7382]

🫂 💐 Wishing you healing and brighter days ✨️

[@iconc1402]

@@pennyp7382 thankyou

[@LadyLuck13]

The fact that you have a great insight into why she did that and also how it affected you and your future relationships is quite remarkable and even admirable. You should be extremely proud of yourself for coming through all that and not using it as an excuse to turn on others. You are more amazing than you realise. Take good care of yourself and keep on your path of healing. I wish you the best xx

[@sharonboutilier2482]

I’m on the same path friend and I’ve never had it in me to harm anyone else. All the the best to you going forward.

[@karikells]

kudos to you! it's tough to feel like a functional adult after going through that. i'm sorry to hear that you suffered this sort of abuse. it's very impressive that you have such insight now, looking back. your mother shouldn't have been allowed to raise you... i agree about abusive childhoods do not create murders. (related, but i don't want to repeat myself: see my comment above as a reply under a comment started by @Phyllis Kloeckner.)

[@rhonda3071]

I like the split screen so we can see the behaviour at the same time as you’re describing it.

[@PutinsMommyNeverHuggedHim]

exactly!!!

[@johnreed4786]

You guys are like the Avengers of body language. You each have a unique specialty.

[@ANZUICHiK0RiNGO]

FINALLY 😍 Oh guys - that’s one of my biggest wishes, whom you should analyze! Looking so much forward to that! Till thursday y‘all. That gonna be a good one! What a great start in the week now! Thanks fab 4 😉🤗

[@gailolson8255]

Mind hunter series did such a good job of capturing Kemper's mannerisms and thinking too. Behavior Panel is so fascinating!

[@mikehuff9793]

That actor was AMAZING

[@dwillard670]

Loved the Mind hunter. I only saw one season though. What a story.

[@gracenote1837]

@@mikehuff9793 he also played in the movie about Richard Jewell, the security guard falsely accused of planting the bomb at the Atlanta Olympic Games. That story is heartbreaking to me.

[@mikehuff9793]

@@gracenote1837 thanks imma check that out!!!

[@katez9469]

I always enjoy these shows. However, it totally makes my day when one of you forget to unmute. Today's music was perfect. Thanks for the smile.

[@marinabrola]

Edmund Jr. (this mans adult father) later stated that "suicide missions in wartime and the atomic bomb testings were nothing compared to living with [Clarnell(this mans mother)]" and that she affected him "more than three hundred and ninety-six days and nights of fighting on the front did."[9] In my opinion if an adult man who has seen a year or more of war time describes her influence that way on him, just in regard to living together, it is worth sincere investigation into the claim that her influence played a prominant role on her young male child who has not seen war, cannot defend or protect himself and is at her mercy.

[@mjremy2605]

43:15 - I am not a medical professional nor have any qualifications other than to have studied this superficially. To differentiate: Narcissism is not an Anti Social Personality Disorder (ASPD) Sociopathy is an Anti Social Personality Disorder (ASPD) Psychopathy is an Anti Social Personality Disorder (ASPD) All Psychopaths are Narcissists. All Narcissists are not Psychopaths or Sociopaths by default but may be one, or other, or neither. Sociopaths may or may not be Narcissists. Therefore to say Ed Kemper is a Psychopath and therefore a Narcissist, and has ASPD is a correct statement. But to say Ed Kemper is a Narcissist and therefore has ASPD is incorrect and illogical. He has ASPD because he is a Psychopath, not because he is a Narcissist. He happens to be both. This distinction is important. People are born as Psychopaths not made. If a Psychopath had a normal, loving childhood, he /she may never harm others. It is the combination of being born a Psychopath and having a terrible childhood that may turn someone very dangerous to others. Psychopaths have no ability to feel empathy and remorse. Sociopaths are made by bad environments. They were not born that way but developed into a twisted human. So a Sociopath will always harm someone. Sociopaths have a limited, albeit weak, ability to feel empathy and remorse. Narcissists can feel emotional pain, but not usually in the same way as others. The emotional pain they may feel is usually related to underlying selfish needs. Underneath the displays of superiority and sense of entitlement, they often feel empty, powerless, and shameful, which they perceive as weakness.

[@serious323]

When he got out after he killed his grandparents they told his mom to stay away away from him and for him to stay away from her. His mom did not listen or care about why they said it. His mom used to blame him because she couldn't get laid all the time. His mom and grandma were very horrible to him and others. They put him down physically, verbally, mentally. When abuse is all you know that's usually what you become. It was definitely more than basic discipline that messed him up very young. I'd say the hitting him in the head numerous times did something to his head. Head injuries and trauma are a constant tie with serial killers.

[@8luvbug]

All according to him

[@nutmeg8399]

Dang! Mindhunter did an amazing job of portraying Kemper. Wonderful analysis guys.

[@wunnibald123]

I loved mindhunter 😊😊

[@sbeddo1]

I am SO bummed there is no season 3 of Mind Hunter. :(.

[@nutmeg8399]

@@sbeddo1 Ikr! Netflix just left us hanging. Season 1 is always worth watching again.

[@angelapuckett4932]

Absolutely. I love that guy!

[@janice8514]

Was is Ed Kemper that was bribed into giving information by buying Kemper some really nice ladies pumps that he liked to wear? I can't remember, but remember then saying how the killer was really tall.

[@Roymunson_]

The unstated context not mentioned by our panel is that Kemper was a major part of the FBIs first serious attempt at serial killer profiling. At this point in his life he already had the feedback that not only was his participation valuable but it resulted in a success. I think a lot of the blame the panel attributes to duping is better explained through this context. The things he is saying is a parroted version of what the serial killer profile concluded and this profile was new and exciting. Kemper's ego and desire to be an intellectual authority is manifesting this behavior moreso than the desire to be duplicitous, in my opinion. Everything he says about cause and effect is well known now and comes across as comically obvious but was a revelation for its day. And he was a source of that revelation!

[@mallamich]

Don’t know this guy but very scary guy. Love all of your comments and insight, I watch the behavior panel religiously, find it absolutely fascinating. The best thing on KZbin. You are fascinating men to listen to. Each one of you very charming as well. Great Team, Great work

[@lindahall1083]

There are plenty of people who were raised in bad situations like that that did not go around killing their parents, grandparents and others.

[@Bellab8759]

Sure, but.. this is Ed Kemper.

[@Squeaky_Bean]

Kemper has always been absolutely fascinating to me. And here you guys are just laying it all out. Love it, thank you.

[@madisonsmagikal1465]

Watch actor Cameron Britton(umbrella academy) played Kemper on Mind Hunter, phenomenal job! You actually end up liking and thinking you're actually watching Kemper. Great job guys!

[@julieannegarfield3108]

I've seen and read so much about Ed Kemper, I can't wait to see your take. He always came across as so friendly 🙄 Excited for this one! 🙌

[@lc-bb6bd]

Chase you hit the nail on the head when you said he didn’t know what to do without her. It’s so true

[@lc-bb6bd]

What I heard from the documentary was the mental hospital advised against him going to live with his mom upon release

[@cindileux]

I love seeing the part of the video with the behavior you're referencing as you talk about it. Makes it so much more understandable. Great insight as always!

[@northerngirl1637]

Yes. Nice editing job!

[@chrisnicholsonmiller3118]

When he tells stories, he reminds me of Diane Downs. His tone, his cadence.

[@jtsparks4798]

Just a plug for a great actor: Cameron Britton was so incredibly creepy in the role of Ed Kemper on "Mindhunter", that I actually shivered during parts of his performance.

[@johnfake2739]

You guys are like the Beatles of behavioral and body language analysis. Greg is definitely John, Scott is Paul, Chase is George and Mark is Ringo. The fab four! Keep up the good work!

[@daragreen7295]

Chase, it was so nice to see your wedding photos on FB, and delightful to see that you had the entire team in the wedding! It is so special that you found each other and it is a true friendship. Wishing you many years and happy memories with your wife, and with your team of conspirators in the Behavior Panel!!❤

[@sandycandy2864]

My new fave! You guys, I love the new tricks you're using to help us follow what you're assessing like when Greg lip syncs what Ed Kemper is saying, when Chase explained why people do nothing and when you highlight portions of the tape while you're explaining body language. So fascinating.

[@kowalski3769]

Fun Fact. Kemper had recorded over 5000 hrs of audio books for blind people. He's read 100's of books that have allowed blind people to experience books. He's actually won awards for doing so many. Upon receiving them he said, "I can't begin to tell you what this has meant to me, to be able to do something constructive for someone else, to be appreciated by so many people, the good feeling it gives me after what I have done."

[@Knobblytyressoggysocks]

Prosecutor Ariadne Symons said, "We don't care how much of a model prisoner he is because of the enormity of his crimes."Kemper waived his right to a hearing again in 2012. He was denied parole in 2017 and is next eligible in 2024.

[@Knobblytyressoggysocks]

Interesting - looking at wiki this stopped in 2015 when he suffered a stroke and was declared medically disabled. How strange to be listening to an audio book, enjoying the voice etc and then realising it’s a serial killer.

[@cath1895]

It’s his ego being stroked do you not realise that? Don’t be so easily fooled 😂

[@TatianadeSaPires]

@@Knobblytyressoggysocks theres one small portion of the audio from the book read by Ed Kemper . "Flowers in the Attic" its jus some few seconds ..u can find it at yt.

[@samanthacook2495]

​@@TatianadeSaPiresA creepy book narrated by Ed Kemper? Think I'll pass...

[@EditorDan]

I thought it was interesting what Mark said about if you feed his ego you don't get killed. I use to know a clear cut psychopath who hung around where I use to work. He took a liking to me as I was someone who expressed a lot of curiosity in people. He was a DANGEROUS guy with many criminal convictions. A whisker from hardcore violence and extremely volatile. The second he realises you're not a threat he toys with you or manipulates you. To what Mark said you feel the only thing you can do is flood them with compliments, like "wow you've slept with that many women?" or "That's so cool how you randomly beat that guy up". Then just hope he leaves you alone

[@MsMe99999999]

They did a show about serial killers, and he was a character. called Mind Hunter. 2 seasons. The guy who played him did a fantastic job.

[@deires77]

The cops didn't suspect him. He hung around with them in one of the "cop bars" regularly, they let him come on patrols with them in their patrol cars ... they even thought he was joking when he called to confess and to turn himself in.... Saw a documentary not too long ago. The police officers that were interviewed still sounded shocked.. they never thought him to be a bad guy. Weird but not dangerous

[@micheleerwin2848]

Ed's mom hated him because he was a constant reminder of his father (according to Ed). He was a big guy and his mother made him sleep in the basement in the thought of protecting his sisters. I know how it is to feel your mother doesn't care about you. My parents were alcoholics who left me on my own since I was 7. I was abused and neglected. I did not get the medical care I needed because my dad didn't want to waste his poker money on me. I am now a 66 year old mother of 4. I never had any desire to hurt my parents. I recall asking them why they had me if they didn't want me. They just blew me off. We don't get to pick our parents. They don't define us.

[@EMurph42]

This is my favorite one you’ve done yet! I’m watching the best in the world, but I also feel like I’m watching friends (of each other, I’m not that lonely) & this man is a fascinating study. The things we wouldn’t know about serial K-ers w/o his brutal honesty/ego. On as less important note, I like the pointing. It’s a fun way make it flow fast. Also, it’s hysterical in the comments when the squares are in a different order. People lose their minds. Like it will throw the stars out of alignment if Chase and Mark aren’t side by side. It’s silly, but you are beloved & it’s a comfort thing.I don’t mind a change of pace once in a while. Keep up the awesome! The End

[@shoneyis]

That is so true Mark. Narcissist punish those who don't flatter them.

[@cassandras7399]

Sorry, but you guys got a lot of this one wrong re your comments about Kemper, being friendly w cops and asking about the crimes, and also getting his gun confiscated. I know as I’ve seen the interviews from the original cops involved, who verified everything Kemper said, including the gun search details. FYI He used to hang out in the cops’ bar, and also applied to be one. They didn’t believe him when he confessed.

[@karikells]

some of their subscribers LOVE the fact that they frequently intentionally select videos about people/cases that they don't know about. why? i think there's something about coming to this fresh - without preconceived notions. it's cool to see what they pick up on when they have no idea about the veracity of the stories the subject tells... for me & my pals who are fans of these guys, it's way more interesting to hear their fresh takes on body language when they know nothing about the subjects... i love that mark rarely knows about the cases that some of us know too much about. it really makes it much more interesting to watch. and i love when one of them (usually greg) has geeked out on the subject but the others have not.

[@SilverGirl-925]

He said in another interview that the only murder he felt bad about was that of Aiko Koo because she talked about her plans for the future. She's the one who unlocked the car door for him after he locked himself out.

[@vessela7484]

What a lunatic. "I'd just gone through a horrible experience killing her" Poor him

[@beverlybalfe115]

I know, right?

[@RhiannonBell252]

Exactly. It’s all about him.

[@1963krb]

The opposite of love isn’t hate, it’s indifference, when you could care less what happens to the other person

[@sheilablanton-cole8182]

Chase taught me something (1:05). I didnt know about how we view ourselves in first person when remembering emotions and third for minor remembered events. So cool

[@karenmaloney3524]

All of you guys the greatest. But Chase is the cutest. Can you imagine being one of his kids and getting “the lecture” about emptying the garbage bin as an example of the “bystander effect”? I think those kids’ biggest dopamine rush is laughter in the hallway after that!

[@TheLumi17]

Yeah, if I had to choose from the guys I'd marry Chase.

[@lauren4652]

I am so freaking excited for this one! My favorite KZbin channel!

[@TheBehaviorPanel]

Yay!🙂👍

[@jessiefrye3045]

Kemper had a high IQ. and he could get inside any interviewers head. He liked to intelligently "dance" with the interviewer, Kemper always led,, and he liked making them feel small. Even though anyone would feel small standing next to a 6'9" monster. I think if he had killed his Mother first he would have never killed anyone else. He was acting out killing his Mother with every murder. That's my opinion.

[@Attabasca]

Someone may have already mentioned this but his mom made him sleep in the basement (she didn't trust him around his sisters) and the only way out was a trap door that she would move the kitchen table over so he couldn't get out. Apparently that went on for about 8 months before the dad came over, realized it what she had been doing and threatened to call the police if she didn't stop.

[@PinkGrammarGirl]

He killed his grandparents; can you blame her?

[@SpikeXtreme]

I remember reading about Kemper and the time he was visited my a lone FBI agent. The agent was interviewing serial killers for their new Behaviour Science dept at Quantico. He was alone with Kemper in a closed cell and Kemper saw the agent was nervous said to him 'the guards won't get here in time'. The agent said 'we (the fbi) don't send us with out protection', Kemper replyed ' do you have a poison pen or something?' The Agent said nothing and Kemper contined answering the agent's question.

[@tinar.a.3542]

That’s really something.

[@gretchencook159]

Also, how am I supposed to get anything done. The Behavior Panel is the best show around. When you guys upload a video, I get so excited and watching y’all together just makes my day.

[@katrinat.3032]

I love when Scott gets riled up

[@steppy3736]

Ed Kemper's mother was incredibly emotionally and physically abusive to him and to his father. She'd lock him in the basement to sleep at night. The only way he could get out of the basement was when his mother moved the kitchen table. His father has told the story that he learned about that after Ed Kemper was forced to sleep in the basement for 8 months. His father did threaten his mother with contacting the authorities for abuse of their son. His mother was also an alcoholic and extremely verbally and psychologically abusive. Ed Kemper's father has been quoted as saying that living with Ed Kemper's mother's verbal abuse was worse than being in WWII.

[@AI-dp3rd]

The rat-filled basement, and he was no older than 13 when she'd lock him down there. The phrase that I think Greg uses, that his mom would probably just discipline Kemper to "make him mind," gives me the shivers. It's bizarre that the panel just assumes he got spanked and told to behave himself. I'm genuinely confused by the panel's lack of research on Kemper before analyzing this video. They also speculate that he's not too bright several times, despite Kemper being famously intelligent (among serial killers), and totally dismiss and deny the fact that he was confirmed to be friendly with several police officers, who initially didn't believe his confession because they knew him as "Big Ed," not someone who could commit those horrific crimes. Poor work from the Behavior Panel on this one.

[@nomad_sofficial]

Oooo this is going to be interesting. Did you guys watch Mind Hunters? That actor played him so well!

[@unconventionalstory]

Fun fact. Edmund lived in Helena Montana where I'm from and my cousin's mom was Edmund's mom's best friend. She was a awful woman to him! He rolled his sister up in a carpet and that scared his mom, which it should but instead of getting him help, the way she dealt with it is he had to sleep in the basement with just a mattress one blanket the light was across the room and she would lock the door at night. That went on for years until she sent him off to the grandparents. I'm not blaming her. I'm saying she should have went and got him help, if she knew that he had those type of tendencies! I mean obviously he's a sick individual! It's a shame all this happened! I wish people would just get people help when they know that their child has mental problems instead of ignoring it or doing weird things like locking them in the basement!

[@constancewalsh3646]

"I only got through the first ten minutes of Game of Thrones -"- Yeah, Mark ! I didn't even get that far.

[@notyetskeletal4809]

I didnt watch that show either. Hehe

[@Lee_Lee73]

Seeing a two hour video from TBP and I'm like, "hell yeah!!!" Always enjoy these videos, you guys are fascinating.

[@dodirae]

This guy is not an idiot. He has a very high IQ of 145. So hes not as dimwitted as Mark is saying. And he is HUGE! 6'9".

[@RayRay-fd4qw]

Yes, kemper was extremely intelligent. And like dahmer, I believe they truly wanted to understand why they were the way they are. Very interesting to know how the mind works.

[@julianaandersson8703]

😮😮😮 whoa!

[@JoshuaCastillo6309]

You can definitely see that in how he articulated his words and how manipulative he was during interviews.

[@margaretlines9427]

@@RayRay-fd4qw But not wise.

[@avanellehansen4525]

I like this format where we can watch the subject while you describe what you are seeing.

[@chrisnewburg4839]

I had never heard of EK. Watched this analysis, and then found a documentary on him...whoa, this guy did horrific things..thanks for another great video, gentlemen!

[@John-qu9zd]

They have zero clue on Kemper

[@jameswilson591]

@@John-qu9zd yeah the only footage they have is after he was incarcerated so they can’t get a good baseline behavior of him. I’m sure they would be singing a different tune if they could’ve gotten a solid baseline. At least they admit that there’s no absolutes but I think they forgot to mention that in this particular video. Hahahahaha

[@BA.77777]

They actually sent an officer to check on a gun. That is true. There is a Kemper documentary featuring that officer. He said he had drawn the short straw to go get the 44 mag from 6’9” Ed Kemper. But Kemper might still be embellishing the story here.

[@APileofSecrets]

I read an interview with Kemper ages ago. His words, in print, sounded very angry; I imagined he was snarling at the reporter. Hearing his voice knocked me for a loop; he doesn't sound dangerous at all (even though he did heinous, violent things).

[@r3adrpro811]

The "bystander effect" story related to Kitty Genovese's murder in 1968 with the :38 witnesses who did nothing" Chase referred to is based on a story created out of whole cloth by the editor of the New York Times, Abe Rosenthal. It has been discredited, even by the NYT which, in 2016, admitted its reporting was "flawed" and the original story "grossly exaggerated the number of witnesses and what they had perceived." In fact, there were witnesses who contacted the police and when the police went to investigate what was going on, they could not find her at first because she had made her way to the back of her apartment building. Eventually she was found and picked up by an ambulance and died on the way to the hospital

[@r3adrpro811]

@@lindacherubino6033 I read a book about the case a few years ago and I was struck by a comment from her brother that the false narrative actually dehumanized Kitty by refocusing the story on the "witnesses" and not on the tragedy of her horrendous and senseless murder. That's something to remember whenever we talk about "true crime."

[@sonyonker]

Scott @ 01:22:15 - Kemper hung around the cops before the murders because he HAD been rejected by the police and wanted to be around them still. He didn’t just wander in one day and ask about the murders, he’d been hanging around their watering holes and shooting the breeze with them prior. And he didn’t ask them a lot of questions. He was real cautious about how much interest he showed. The guy had an IQ of 160 or so. Gotta give him a little credit

[@TheBerkeleyBeauty]

This was the PBS show that, in 1984, shook me at 15 years old. I had never seen anything like it before and it intrigued me and terrified me at the same time. I was hooked on true crime after that. My mom had those campy True Detective magazines under her bed because she didn’t want me reading them at 10 and 12 years old, but I found them and sneaked and read them under the sheets with a flashlight. I think both of these kinda warped me at a very young age. Weird thing is, in the documentary when he was talking about how he couldn’t get a gf as a young man, I wondered why not, because he wasn’t a bad looking guy, and he was obviously very bright. I probably would’ve given him a first date . . . . and never been seen or heard from again.

[@lindsayclark6453]

Sorry, guys you’re wrong. I’ve watched an interview with the cops who drank with him and visited that day, and they did scope the wrong house and spoke to Ed in his driveway re the .44 gun. Ed’s story matches closely with the cops’ stories. Crazy, but true xxx

[@EndorphikaMorphika]

52:25 CHASE, A more recent case of onlookers doing NOTHING to help a victim happened in Detroit in the 90s. Some people even laughed as three dudes beat a woman after pulling her from a car on a bridge. She ended up jumping to her death to get away. I'll never forget that story because it's really disturbing how NO one got out to help her.

[@BevChoy]

He was also trusted in administrating psychological tests within the prison and learned how to present himself to the prison officials.

[@Queeneiko666]

As far back as I can remember I've always been polite, please, thank you, etc. It's wasn't until my 30's that my mom told me that when we were very young, she had taken us to the fair every day and treated us with everything we wanted. The last night she wanted to go hang out with her friends and we threw a fit. She yelled at us about being selfish and she did everything for us all week and this was her one time to enjoy herself. Since that very moment we please and thank you'd everything. I don't remember this, I was too young I think, but she said she still feels guilty that her losing her temper basically changed our lives. It was definitely for the good, but to think one incident can change you permanently. It's really crazy to think about

[@marilynleveque2497]

Scott, Ed Kemper hung out with Cops all the time at the Santa Cruz Station and their Bar the Jury room. I lived in Santa Cruz and Aptos near him. He was a Police fixture.

[@jamiepatterson558]

He cried because his mother never gave him what he ached for from her. Of course, she didn't know she was in danger of being murdered, so she wouldn't treat him any differently than usual. But if she had said, "Hi Honey, how was your day?" I'd bet $ he wouldn't have killed her. I grew up in foster care from age 9 in the 80's after being removed for gross negligence, and ALL forms of physical abuse. Until my mother died, in my early 40s, I spent my life wanting her to love me. I'm in my 50s now, a foster parent with 7 bio & adopted through foster care children of my own between 35- 10 years old. I strive to be the adult I've always yearned for, but I'm broken in lots of ways that mainly affect my own self. Who knows why I became me & not Ed Kemper or any other similar to him? But I understand that he knew he was giving his mom a final chance to give him what he wanted from her, when she didn't, it hurt.

[@JMSPpope]

His mother did some very questionable things to him I know that one of the things she did before he moved in with the grandparents was to lock him in the basement because for a prolonged period of time. Also it is worth noting that when he was released from the mental institute it was highly suggested that he should not ever have any association with his mother.

[@novembersun8102]

Clarnell was a neurotic, abusive alcoholic. That doesn’t excuse Ed’s actions… but she didn’t help her son much, either.

[@sassycat6468]

His mom kept him in the basement so he couldn't molest his sisters which makes you question what happened to her when she was young. My mom had a similar fear but she only had girls so she subjected us to ugly questions and worse when we were kids

[@janrasch1627]

Had he tried something on his sisters or was she just paranoid and/or traumatized?

[@lynnhoffmann247]

@@janrasch1627 she was paranoid & crazy herself.

[@sassycat6468]

@@janrasch1627 he hadn't tried anything with them,that was a product of his mom's paranoia or trauma

[@KittyComoMeow]

He already was a regular at the local cop bar before the crimes took place. The episode regarding the police asking about his guns is true. The police officer involved was interviewed and recounted the same version Ed tells. The chicken story was confirmed by his sisters. They also confirmed the inhumane abuse Ed endured as a chid at the hands of his mother. They said it was inexplicable.

[@alanapiana1970]

I’m loving this channel. Clearly Scott, Greg, Mark, and Chase are among the best of the best in this field. Very impressive credentials and their work speaks for itself. I’m a classically trained pianist and music teacher, and as a performer I think mindfulness of one’s body movements/body language can have an impact (positive or negative) on the musician’s performance. And also working with students. Again, really enjoying these videos.

[@cynthiatolman326]

I have never heard a killer speak like he's the victim like this before, it's absolutely disgusting. Gives me chills.

[@jenniferhumphries9298]

What Kempers mother destroyed that was important to him was his own sense of worth as I remember reading that she used to lock him in the basement and constantly criticize and humiliate him telling him that no college girl would ever date the likes of him. I think he may have felt she valued them instead of her own son.

[@julietastes181]

Sure she did, she tortured him she was a sadistic piece of ...., but still, no excuse to kill people.

[@PutinsMommyNeverHuggedHim]

@@julietastes181 who’s talking about excuses

[@julietastes181]

@@PutinsMommyNeverHuggedHim Kemper as you can see, hopefully🤷🏼‍♀️

[@PutinsMommyNeverHuggedHim]

@@julietastes181 there’s a difference between an explanation and an excuse…

[@khiljinagor8976]

@@PutinsMommyNeverHuggedHim you may not be, others atr thinking it, so it's only right to point that out.

[@jennyh2332]

I just wanna say I love you guys!!! My fav KZbin Channel now!!!

[@kekebaseden41]

Hello and thank you for this. Apologies if this has already been shared but I am familiar with this case and did see a officers interviewed confirming the validity of, a. their casual, unsuspecting interactions with Ed Kemper in the bar on occasions after work discussing the case; b. an interview with the detective looking to retrieve his gun, as he said they did. The detective even added how intimidated he felt by Kempers size. They followed procedure to cover Kemper while he retrieved the gun from the trunk but had they not, Kemper said he was thinking of shooting them. That is what the detective said about that experience. Finally, although Kemper gave the females living in his home (when he was young) reason to be cautious of him, he felt his mother loved and favoured his sisters much more than him and she forced him to give up his room to sleep in cold, rat infested basement in the dark which was traumatic for him (apparently) and she constantly belittled and humiliated him (for being male and different) - from what I understand. Thanks guys, very interesting!!

[@Bre-kp9vd]

Out of all of the serial killers that I’ve watched you guys and other people talk about this one really made me feel unsettled!!!

[@Noneya9876]

Loved the humor, Greg! It was nice to see that side of you and it helps this horror go down.

[@lynnbeck6877]

Gentlemen , please do a segment on Jennifer Pan . A 24 y.o. in Canada. She was convicted of murder & attempted murder of her parents . I was riveted by her interrogation . I couldn't stop watching ! Lynn Beck Charlotte NC

[@crystalfranklin2583]

Don't get me wrong, I'm NOT saying Ed Kemper's mother is to blame for his actions and i do think he needs to be held responsible for his crimes, but it's my understanding that his mother regularly belittled, debased and emasculated him. Maybe she didn't, but, if she did, i can tell you from personal experience, that feeling that your own mother hates you and feels utter scorn qnd disdain toward you, really can mess you up. When a person is abused, someone else takes their power and control. If it's true that Kemper's mother did those things, he actually did not resist the effects of the abuse, but he gave in to it, because the moment he killed his first victim, he relinquished control. People who murder other people are not asserting control. They've pretty much fully LOST control. Wow, when he said he had just gone through this terrible experience...I did a bit of a double-take. If it was a horrible experience for him, what does he think it was like for the girl? The narcissism rears its ugly head once again. I think that's probably the scariest thing about him and the saddest.

[@steppy3736]

I'll say it: Ed Kemper's mother created the monster he became. She abused him every way possible - psychologically, physically, emotionally, even sexually (by accusing and punishing him for sex crimes he had never committed [against his sisters]. Ultimately, he's responsible for the crimes he committed but his mother holds the responsibility for created the monster within him.

[@hobsto]

Great analysis guys! 🙏 But his mother was a really awful person. Even his sisters said how much their mother hated Ed and he had to sleep in the basement just because she doesn't want him around his sisters. He was punished for everything. And yes indeed he killed animals... Especially cats and dismembered them because the family cat was his mothers favorite. It's not a defense for his behavior at all but just want to mention it

[@lc-bb6bd]

He turned himself in because she took care of him. He talked about how abusive he was but yet he continued to live under her roof at his grown ass age.

[@tracy-leekellett1118]

Mark, ignore the haters 🌼🌼

[@tinanevitt1003]

I requested this one, so TY. Mother destroyed his self esteem, I believe. Most interesting of all true crime cases, in my opinion.

[@tammycook1475]

She locked in the basement from the time he was 8. Idk if she was a horrible person or if she seen something in him that made her think she needed to protect his sisters from him. I’ve always wondered that.

[@tammycook1475]

I watched a documentary with the police officers telling about their experience with him. He was liked in the bar, they likened him to a gentle giant. When they went to get the gun, they did go to the wrong house. Then they asked for the gun, they knew him from the bar so they did do exactly what he said. The police officer was glad they knew him cause he was so big. I think he thought once they did ballistics on the gun, he was done. So he killed his mom and her friend, cause he hated both of them, before they come and arrested him. When they didn’t, he just turned himself in, before they caught him so he can always be one step ahead. He wasn’t stupid, his IQ was 145. That’s how he got out of the mental institution, he memorized the test the Dr’s gave the patients to let them out. I don’t think he was let out on parole, not sure but all of the documentaries I’ve seen, the only thing that was a condition of him getting out was he wasn’t supposed to live with his mom. The one thing the Drs said don’t do, he was able to do and I think he was there for a few years. If you want to see the face those poor girls seen, interrupt his story. One interviewer interrupted the story of his mother and the book, the look he gave that person was scary. The things he did to his mothers head was the stuff of nightmares.

[@aisha2370]

Which documentary are you referring to please? Thank you.

[@tammycook1475]

@@aisha2370 To be honest, I have watched alot on him cause he has always fascinated me. I know that's awful, but I love to see how they tick. There is The mind of a serial killer, Kemper on Kemper, world's most evil season 2, episode 15 (there's alot of good ones on that show), Mind of a Monster, the Co-ed killer. The best I think is the archives where it shows him getting arrested and walking into the jail. You actually can see how big he is compared to a regular guy. He was 6'9" bout 300lbs. Oh and Mindhunters on Netflix had an entire season where they talk to him regularly. The behavioral department of the FBI said he gave them most of the insight they have on serial killers. Ted Bundy also participated in those interviews, he even offered to help them catch the green River killer.

[@janc7609]

I lived in the Santa Cruz area when Kemper was hunting women. It doesn't surprise me that he was successful picking up women, even after multiple murders. Hitchhiking was commonplace, even with guys who looked like serial killers. We never thought it could happen to us.

[@julievorensky8250]

I grew up there too at that time. It seemed like there werre a lot of serial type killers back then in the Bay Area. Maybe that's why no one hitchhikes like they did back then (myself included a handful of times).

[@lauraschruba4046]

I keep watching and rewatching this one. This is the best one yet. I learned so much from this episode. Thanks guys. 🥰

[@denisepiekarski4159]

Scott's point about his mother outing him about the murders is very possible.