The Rise of Skywalker - A Brief Look At Bad Lore

[@HardMenWorkingHard]

Let's goooo (again)

[@thebreadcircus]

I was just about to message you lads on Twitter to see if you would post a message here so I could pin it. Stoked you're here (again). -ED-1TA

[@VirtualHolocaust]

yooo you should clip the star wars version

[@VirtualHolocaust]

@@thebreadcircus wait you cool with me clipping it for my channel your star wars version?

[@jsamue12]

"random, completely fair" copyright strike?

[@neanderthaltartarus3704]

Wild coming across you guys outside the Dick Show. Really cool, you guys deserve to be featured in all media

[@dresdenwarlock7978]

"at 3 hours 36 minutes, she beats up a sad, suicidal, old man." made me LOSE IT. 🤣

[@cj-3810]

@@nafanwittreeyeah, for the movie maybe. That doesn’t translate for the video.

[@FanksCast]

​What's your point? They did the same thing with Indiana jones ​@@cj-3810 fallen loser heroes thank you so much Disney I'm honoured by your deconstruction of my heroes and breaking them down. Bravo, luke ended up a loser and now indiana too. I don't understand how y'all seem to be totally cool with this. Lets see what npc behaviour you'll do next must be hella exciting for you.

[@cj-3810]

@@FanksCast bro you don’t even know what I responded to, the og comment is deleted.

[@cj-3810]

@@FanksCastalso what an absolute schizo post. Such bs you just assumed about me for no reason.

[@FanksCast]

@@cj-3810 woah calm down big boy no need to get upset. Why don't you explain your point there's no need to get upset. Sorry your comment got deleted I didn't realise so my bad okay? Take a deep breath and we can talk, sorry if i upset you was not my intention, it sucks when people delete comments.

[@attentiondeficitsquirrel7660]

So, Kylo can kill all of those trained guards but he can’t kill some girl who didn’t even believe the Jedi were real two hours ago? My issues with this franchise are far too many.

[@penumbral_psithurism]

Hmm, haha, yeah, like how the hell did Luke go from dorky farmboy to taking down a space station with a single shot?! Jeez!

[@attentiondeficitsquirrel7660]

@@penumbral_psithurism what did Luke say during the briefing before the attack on the Death Star? He used to fly through Beggars Canyon on Tatooine shooting Womp Rats. In other words, Luke has had plenty of practice flying through a ravine shooting things that are about 2 meters wide. Any other questions?

[@norrecvizharan1177]

Also, to add onto Penumbral's statement: directing a missile shot with the force is leagues different than trying to actually fight a sith in direct one on one combat. It's like the difference between trying to make a really far shot in a basketball game, and fighting a navy seal in a wrestling match. Just logically wouldn't happen, unless said "expert" wasn't remotely good at all.@@penumbral_psithurism

[@penumbral_psithurism]

@@attentiondeficitsquirrel7660 Sort of like how Rey had a lot of practice surviving on a hostile desert planet as a scavenger who had to go toe to toe with bounty hunters and other sordid individuals (using martial arts no less) during her upbringing? I see you there!

[@penumbral_psithurism]

@@norrecvizharan1177 ohhh, a lucky shot! In a fantasy story… engineered by a storyteller… who used the metaphor of an all-encompassing mystical Force working through exalted individuals, and guiding the destiny of all things, to explain how improbable and incredible happenings could come to pass. Rey grew up way harder than Luke on a violent scavenger world, and demonstrated considerable martial prowess in fighting bounty hunters, ruthless competitors, and hostile creatures. No doubt she was aided by latent Force sensitivity, as Luke was. These are not the plot holes you are looking for…

[@evanthesquirrel]

Round Head is a hero. He used his blank check Mouse money to buy a thermal detonator, activated it, and threw it back to Abrams who was in no way able to throw it back

[@renardnoir2581]

RJ and JJ had the biggest pissing match in history.

[@hoen1x]

Yeah but in the process he single handedly nuked a whole franchise that some of us still care about.

[@alura5376]

He threw the thermal detonator at the fans. Abrams was just in the blast radius. He hates us. It shows in most of his films, his disdain for his own audience.

[@Mecceldorf]

More like he became director and chose to be a bigger man... by going to JJ's house, kicking his ass for kissing his girlfriend, called him an embarrasment, and when JJ threw the detonator he dodged it and flung it back at his face. And then he went to go write a sentence prompt for Rose that he ended up leaving as the final product.

[@USSMariner]

What's even funnier is that Abrams KNEW exactly what Rian was doing. He was executive producer on TLJ and specifically filmed end bits of TFA *to tie into* TLJ's opening. Filming between the two actually overlapped. The reason Abrams didn't stop him was because Abrams didn't fucking care. He never has. He didn't expect to come back to the franchise...because he really never wanted to direct a SW film. He's only interested in using other franchises as blank checks. *Lucas* wrote a treatment for a sequel Trilogy that Disney was actually okay with. Abrams simply played hardball after his *second* call from Disney to direct Episode 7, and his stipulation was that he wouldn't use the scripts developed from Lucas's treatment. He actually got rid of the guy who had turned that into screenplays, which is funny because his name still shows up as co-writer in TFA.

[@GrantFunkyFrabe]

Nobody can convince me that anybody involved in these movies wanted the best for the franchise.

[@makatron]

Spoken like a true fan. They were a bunch of penny pinchers just looking to create something that made money even if they had to throw common sense out the damn window.

[@wesleysmith2030]

😊

[@Clock_70]

Yep

[@TigerCreekTechy]

Not one person involved, outside of maybe Mark, Harrison, and Carrie had passion for Star Wars. That was the main problem. Lucas had true passion and love for the universe he created. The mouse saw only profits.

[@makatron]

@@TigerCreekTechy and to be honest, with all that money and couldn't hire a legit writer

[@gabethebabe3337]

Best part is you use "Legends" content to show that THAT continuity actually understood the universe, and that the oddities are far and few between. There's always a price for absurdly powerful abilities. Palpatine making Force Storms to create wormholes to transport his starships across the galaxy? That power requires concentration and a strong will. You mess that up and you rip yourself apart in a wormhole that treats your body like mashed potatoes. Name any overpowered ability from the old continuity and it either has rules or heavy drawbacks.

[@arnowisp6244]

Yup. At least as Crazy legends was, the writers knew they had to explain why it wasn't used in the Movies before the sequels. So they came up with thee OP but highly risky abilities. It helps really explain what Vader meant about the Force being more power than the power to destroy planets.

[@nerfjanetreal]

they didnt even need to do that unlike jar jar and mickey mouse

[@dominickeijzer5844]

I think there are actually a few counter-examples: Art of the Small is capable of reducing your Force presence temporarily and concealing you, but can also be used to make extreme adjustments to yourself such as giving your tears permanent healing properties. But even then, I think there's only one example of someone doing that and it's not as bad as a Force Diyard.

[@Finleymcg]

''You're going to have to be at least somewhat familiar with the plot of the Rise of Skywalker'' Wait wait... There was a plot?!?

[@pcarrierorange]

“Somehow, Holdo returned” got a genuine belly laugh out of me. Even on the third watch, your content keeps my interest in an iron grip!

[@chazzitz-wh4ly]

I had a sinking feeling in my belly.

[@householdgambler]

Somehow Holdo now has 3 heads...

[@KertaDrake]

I find it amusing that "No shields in atmosphere" means the Gungans, by far, have the most advanced shields in the galaxy.

[@freddykingofturtles]

The chad gungan warriors vs the soyjak sith gnomes

[@aircraftcarrierwo-class]

Also looking at Anakin's growth, I feel like it's important to also take note of the several years of off-screen training and experince gained between each film. From Phantom to Clones, his basic training as a padewan apprentice, and from Clones to Sith, experience gained in the Clone Wars cartoons as a Jedi general fighting the Seperatists.

[@dafuquwnt7170]

JJ broke hyper space first, he managed to come out of hyper space just behind star killer base shield using feeling no computer calculations, they also hit hyper space from a hanger in that movie

[@antonisauren8998]

It could have happened before Disney. I don't remember first true occurance of near surface jump, might be even some marvel in the '80, but for sure was in one of early TCW seasons.

[@AshanBhatoa]

​@@antonisauren8998Someone actually is aware. Yes, this was featured within early EU and TCW.

[@funkoxen]

True and they hyperspace through a goosebumps cthulhu monster like holdo did with the star destroyer.

[@Abakato]

@@AshanBhatoa then its wrong. no one is saying Lucasfilm is perfect with their writing, Disney and who they've hired are exceptionally bad at looking up things in lore even when it's presented right in front of them. In older films themselves they assumed all the "hardcore" star wars fans were Big Bang Theory characters in real life and anyone (even us deeper fans) who followed the new movies like a normal viewer got confused real quick. the only people that liked this saga are kids and woke people who will have no significance within history because being woke doesn't = equality.

[@MrCharrrles]

@@AshanBhatoa Some of those EU authors were unqualified to be fair

[@Tony-rn5fm]

in my considered opinion, the disney wars take place in a pocket universe and have NO CONNECTION to the established lore of the original 6 films and clone wars series, and in that i include all the disney+ series. also i am kinda torn over rogue one but also include it as it neither breaks the lore or makes it any better seeing as you can ignore it and it won't hurt the original 6 films.

[@jaieregilmore971]

Fact the problem with rouge one is the ending because wasn’t Leia supposed to be in a ambassador mission not in a literal battlefield with Vader knocking in the next door.

[@yellowrose0910]

JH should have started 9 with Rey waking up in a twitchy sweat, cut to the gang eating breakfast Rey saying "You wouldn't *believe* the nightmare I had!"

[@cj-3810]

I dunno, I’ll consider Andor and Rogue One canon; one of the best since OT

[@silverprimus321boi9]

rogue one interferes with dark forces though. Kyle katarn was the one who retrieved the DS plans alongside Jan Ors (Jyn Erso sounds a lot like her lol)

[@mikoto7693]

That’s very similar to what I decided. I decided that the last three movies took place in an entirely separate timeline/parallel universe from the original trilogy and prequels. Entirely different and separate from the rest.

[@DarthArachnious]

I like your story about Rey being left with a HRD. One of the best versions I've heard was all of the Jedi Lore Luke accumulated over the years, which was alot. He stored in C-3PO so Leia had access to it and it would be preserved. 3PO, not knowing he's now a Holocron, finds that he can somehow decipher Sith languages.

[@tylerh2548]

The way Poe just shakes his head in defeat before uttering the line, "Somehow, Palpatine returned." You just know that was an authentic reaction to the knowledge that this was the movie dialogue he was forced to speak aloud; as if he knew this moment would mark the meme that would let none turn back once crossed.

[@Visible2063]

Wooow

[@markcochrane9523]

"Why would Moff Tarkin need four different ballpoint pens?" A particularly pressing question considering that there is canonically no paper in Star Wars.

[@John-fk2ky]

You sure? In the books there is a material called flimsiplast that does the same thing as paper.

[@dominickeijzer5844]

"These were the coordinates they wrote down for me. On paper. I mean, who uses paper?" ―Jan, a member of the Rebel Alliance, during an Imperial interrogation, in Rebel Heist 1.

[@markcochrane9523]

@@dominickeijzer5844 Okay, I misremembered.....but with paper being extremely rare, I think my original point still stands: with paper never appearing in the OT, the viewer is tipped off that those aren't in fact ballpoint pens.

[@dominickeijzer5844]

@@markcochrane9523 Yeah, just make sure to look it up before saying it. Still a good point. Though, with that said, how many movies do you actually see paper in?

[@anthonyshoop575]

What about the “sacred Jedi texts” that ended up being Jake Skywalker’s journal of failed maguffin questing?

[@the_kryllic]

Babe, call off work today, the best Star Wars channel on KZbin just uploaded the director’s cut

[@mikedrop4421]

What's crazy is this is one of the newest SW channels and it's absolutely in my top ten. No wait, top five. Top five? OK, top three. It reminds me of when the channel "So Uncivilized" hit the site with absolute bangers from the very first upload. It makes me think they had other channels before this one.

[@pcarrierorange]

It’s crazy how good Bread Circus has been right off the bat. I remember watching the first video and going to the channel expecting to see years of backlog.

[@JonathanRossRogers]

It's probably a cash grab.

[@ItsyaboiDillon]

SW Theory is my favourite channel

[@billiekeens6430]

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[@colinbanning9416]

Mid air refueling IS crazy impressive. You've got to think that the two outcomes are success and death, and it seems to often, if not almost always, result in success. Wild AF.

[@Sue20022010]

Fun fact - the first time mid air refueling took place was the 1920's

[@histguy101]

Maybe it's easier than it looks, like two fish mating

[@mikoto7693]

It’s still a very impressive feat to accomplish.

[@user-to9ge8ii9n]

This made me chuckle -- the two outcomes of dicing onions for stew are success and death, too. I think midair refueling is more difficult -- looks it, anyway. ❤

[@colinbanning9416]

@@user-to9ge8ii9n you might have technique issues if dicing onions is a life or death endeavour

[@ungulatemanalpha]

the real failure of rey as a character isn't that she's too powerful, it's that everyone around her sees an insanely powerful mutant superjedi and doesn't really think anything of it. Finn should be scared shitless of the things she does in The Force Awakens, not hopelessly mooning over her for the entire runtime. Her ability to do jedi bullshit without training is much less important than the part where nobody cares that she can do that.

[@popesuavecitoxii2379]

Her character would've been more compelling as a Sith Jason Bourne who gets reactivated by the holocron or something. She really had no reason to join the resistance. Her life on Jakku was crap, it's idiotic how she's so powerful and yet the only thing keeping her on Tatooine 2.0 is the stupid "waiting for family" thing. Why wasn't she flying the falcon looking for them?

[@berengustav7714]

Luke was scared of her power,but it wasn't elaborated on well...

[@creativeself7147]

Holy sh*t. Roughly halfway through the video, I paused for a moment and decided to check whose channel I'm actually watching right now. I nearly had a heart attack when I saw that the channel has

[@somerandomdude8399]

Wait for real? I'ma hit that bell now. I'll be honest,this is teh first video of the channel Ive seen and I skipped halfway through. I don't have the full few hours right now.but its going in my watch later too.

[@jackrussell3084]

Subscriber count does not make one great.

[@creativeself7147]

@@jackrussell3084 Correct, you are! But recognition and compensation he does deserve, for such great work!

[@andycopeland7051]

That was an incredible dissertation you gave at the end of this video about why it matters to preserve lore and Canon. Thank you for saying this and thank you for these videos

[@thebreadcircus]

Cheers. -ED-1TA

[@JalenJaguar]

This dove so much deeper into the meta & mythos of Star Wars then I ever knew I wanted to go lol

[@konk8429]

I always put these on to have in the background when im doing other stuff... but then I end up just watching these with all my attention bc theyre so engaging hahaha

[@CaesarSuriano]

Lmao same here. I just finished the 12 hour Phantom Menace video and now I feel lost 😅

[@TankHunter678]

For the "Jam their speeders" bit I took it as a reference to Star Wars Empire at War, where one of the defensive structures that the Empire could build is the Repulsorlift Jammer which causes repulsorlift vehicles to have drastically reduced speed. There were also worlds in that game which outright nullified repulsorlift vehicles. This was not that big of an issue for the Empire which had lots of ground vehicles that did not use that tech but was a nuisance for the Rebels who did. Of course that game is part of Legends but still, it provided a canonical reason why Imperial remnants would have that tech. Does not change the fact that Admiral Pryde for some reason thought the rebels would deploy ground vehicles.

[@antonisauren8998]

In Republic comics there was a planet that could not use speeders and forced walkers. I think EaW referenced it straight. But from what I remember it were corrosive conditions braking repulsorlifts within hours, not some strange gravity fluctuations. Either way there is bunch of ways to "jam their speeders" and that line didn't bothered me at all after 2.5h of JJ bullshit. Full bladder was more important at that moment.

[@DerUberStern]

Ooooh, director's cut. Can't wait to link this entire feature length video to back my arguments against the sequel trilogy and be genuinely put off when it's dismissed. "Das Loltraktor uses a tf2 avatar" Sometimes, the truth hits harder than a fleet of Star Destroyers with planet killing weapons. My career may never fully recover. At least there's still plenty of Bread Circus to rewatch.

[@thebreadcircus]

Before I had to cut everything down by another 20 minutes, it used to say "Das_LOLtraktor uses a TF2 avatar. Need we say more?" Konk's was the worst, though. It was about 50 seconds of just slamming everything about him. -ED-1TA

[@ChuckFinnley944]

80% of the problems they created could have been fixed if they’d paid attention to the first six movies in the series. The expanded material is great, but it doesn’t take a lot of research to realize that Force Healing is a bad thing to just randomly throw into the series after one of the former protagonists literally betrayed the entire galaxy trying to get that exact power.

[@OR56]

13:55 "The Mon Cal developed space travel to explore strange new worlds, to seek out new life and make friends with new civilizations. To boldly go where no fish man, or squid thingy had gone before." That is an amazing line we are all sleeping on!

[@OR56]

Palpatine dying after he was already resurrected was always confusing to me. He already pulled the; “I don’t know how to impress upon you that physical damage done to my body does not affect me in the long-term.” But then dies to conventional means. They could have at least stabbed him with the Sith bullshit dagger and he died because it’s Sith bullshit magic or something. Which would have given the knife a mediocre purpose.

[@seaofenergy2765]

Not to defend a very shallow and poorly thought out movie too much, but it looked a lot like palpatine was killed by rey reflecting palpatines sith force magic back at him. So not really conventional means, and a lot like his own immense power (which had also somehow grown from absorbing the 'dyad' power too ) countered himself. Which has a certain logic to it.

[@OR56]

@@seaofenergy2765 That just leads to another problem. Why is his only weakness his inability to stop shooting lighting when it's being reflected back at him? In RoTS it kinda makes sense, he's trying to turn Anakin to the dark side by acting like he's about to die, but here, there's no point, he's just a dumbass.

[@seaofenergy2765]

@@OR56 thats true, although maybe like if you get electrocuted in real life he lost control and was sort of 'locked' in the state he was in when it got reflected?

[@OR56]

@@seaofenergy2765 Ok, but why? Your muscles tense up, but not your mind. You use your mind to control your Force abilities. JJ just remembered "that thing from Episode III was cool, lets do that, but bigger and dumber."

[@seaofenergy2765]

@@OR56 i mean you can hardly say that when getting electrocuted that your mind isnt affected. There is a stunning in the moment. Feels like your really reaching here when the point your making is pretty thin.

[@bobsterclause342]

I love how jango uses a pistol on stun so it litterally doesn't matter if it gets deflected back because he has armor.

[@Happyisboss]

I like the idea that you have to be able to swim a certain speed for the artificial gills to work, so not everyone can even use them thus, tanks are necessary for most users. The jedi do swim real quick

[@GreenGreeny]

Love the quality put into these videos. Just hope this move to longer form videos doesn't harm the channel growth with reduced watchtime retention. Because these videos are so good!

[@matthewa441]

Really? I couldn't take more than a few minutes of it

[@ericvulgate]

Take your Adderall you'll get through it.

[@ShinTaxSolutions]

​@@ericvulgatelol love this reply.

[@mikoto7693]

@@ericvulgateLol I love that reply too.

[@Iceflkn]

The breathing unit could house a mixture of chemicals. Sliding the covers open sideways would activate them, creating breathable air. We had units that did this for firefighting, when I was in the Navy, back in 1988. Back then, they were boxes about the size of a lunch box with two hoses that went up to a gas mask. Instead of gills, the holes could serve two purposes: 1. To act as an exhaust vent. This would allow for regulation of the pressure going into the lungs. These covers could be slid open into different positions and, in concert with a one way valve, would provide different pressures. Each, specific to whichever species needed to use them. The holes would then exhaust any extra, unneeded air, as most chemical reactions continue until all of the mixture is used up. (This would explain the bubbles we saw) 2. To allow water in to regulate the temperature of the breathable air. Chemical reactions almost always generate heat and we are told these units are only meant for underwater use. The units we used in the Navy had long hoses that allowed the heated air to cool down before they entered our gas masks. There could be a network of metal tubes inside each, "lobe", so to speak. This would allow heat to be exchanged the same way the tubes in an air conditioner operate. The tubes would also keep the air separate from the water. The water would cool the tubes and thus, the air traveling through them would be cooled before entering the beings lungs.

[@natetete1379]

The original trilogy spans 5 years I think. The prequels spans about 13 years but the sequels only cover about six or seven days at most. Regardless of on-screen time Luke and Anakin train for much longer. Rey's entire journey lasts less than a week from not knowing what the force is to supreme Jedi

[@idiot_city5444]

OT spans 4 years. RoS is one year after Last Jedi, so much more than a week lol, still dumb tho

[@fletcher371]

2:31:00 In regards to the idea about water being a wall, metaphorical and litteral, for Rey, It does not work because Roundhead already had her swimming with no problems in the previous movie.

[@mikedrop4421]

Alright boys, we got a whole lot of material here to learn. I feel like there's gonna be a test. They call it Bread Circus but remember Jedi Academy is already taken. Coincidence? You tell me. 😁 Edit: you brought up a good point here about R2-D2 not using the proper data ports and links along with the arms and attachments not lining up with the previous movies. That sums up so much of what's wrong with Disney era. They have thousands of people working on a project. Each frame has to pass through hundreds of sets of hands which means that either nobody noticed these errors or some people did but they were unable to get it corrected. If they didn't notice it what are the 11 people with credits for "script and continuity" doing? Do they have the knowledge required to catch this stuff? If not why not? If they do have the chops then why aren't they being listened to? If they are then why was so many changes needed that so many things like that being left unchanged? I feel like there are so many SW lore/canon experts out there that finding a small group of them willing to examine your scripts, sets, models and costumes would be quite easy. It's not like they didn't know people care about this stuff. Every SW movie has been broken down in autistic detail online and then debated to no end. They either don't care or they do care and just absolutely suck at their jobs. Either way there is no excuse for it on a trilogy that cost and made as much money as it did.

[@antonisauren8998]

SW fans might. Filmmakers does not. Neither now not in the OT. They needed probe or dataport, they put a guy with a stick behind R2. Lightsaber fell apart, they made something roughly similar. Filmmaking is the art of illusion. JJ spent way too much time and effort on all those props, trying to recreate OT feel, that just used junk in the back of the studio.

[@artnull13]

@@antonisauren8998​​⁠Pablo Hildago being the head of the “Lucasfilm story group” proving once again he knows sweet f-all

[@ofidiotabagista5259]

I thought Rey's guardian was going to be Lor San Tekka. Jar Jar Adams said he was going to be a crucial character in the story, but he ended up being a nobody.

[@mazkeraid4039]

Ooh, big missed opportunity if you ask me, maybe the old lady may have relations to that sort of ordeal.

[@chazzitz-wh4ly]

They aren’t looking for a map, but Rey. Poe’s mission was to initially pick her up. Tells reached out to Leia because Rey’s force powers began to manifest and she began asking questions of her past.

[@Mowthelawn3]

I think I finally understood the joke of these videos, when I started cracking up laughing when I realize that, while watching a video about rise of Skywalker, I am watching Qui-Gon Jin swim around and commentation about breathing apparatuses. This is like some deep British humor level shit, bravo!

[@Sergio-nb4hj]

Clearly, I didn't get it. I downloaded this video to listen while I work a long shift and the breathing apparatuses section made me want to [REDACTED]. Literal torture.

[@bobseven310]

I always kind of assumed that most of R2's tools can move around internally, and come out of different ports as required. So any given hole might not be dedicated to a specific tool. Kind of like those multi-color pens, where you can change which ink you'll be using.

[@jm329]

That’s what the visual dictionary says. “To economize space within an astromech's cylindrical torso, interchangeable arms are fitted onto rotating carousels. This assembly allows R2 to quickly deploy a specific arm, creating an illusion of an endless variety of concealed tools.”

[@idiot_city5444]

That would work if they hadn't shown us countless times set tools coming out of set ports/holes multiple times

[@jm329]

@@idiot_city5444 Why wouldn’t it work?

[@idiot_city5444]

@@jm329 I just told you...

[@jm329]

@@idiot_city5444 Explain how an internal rotating carousel can’t have the same tool come out of the same hole multiple times.

[@Silveirias]

Oooh, awesome! I love long videos like this. Looking forward to having the time to watch it later today.

[@Silveirias]

Thoroughly enjoyable watch. Clearly a lot more thought went to this than went towards the sequel trilogy.

[@thebreadcircus]

@@Silveirias I love that these two messages are four hours apart. -ED-1TA

[@Silveirias]

@@thebreadcircus ikr 😁 Turned out I didn't have to wait until later in the evening and could watch/listen while doing some stuff that didn't require my undivided attention. Which is why I love these kind of long form videos. I often have tasks that would be extremely boring without something to listen/watch on the side.

[@amorphousblob2721]

The Sith language wouldn't be in a _more_ advanced Tranlang module. Sith is an _old_ language. The protocol droid that speaks Sith would be an ancient archaeological artifact, like the ancient Greek Antikythera Mechanism. They'd be lucky to find one in working condition, and if they did, it'd be a recreation, made by that museum to help their historians interpret those engraved Sith tablets. They'd just ask that droid instead of C-3PO.

[@sandersonstunes]

Here's a major plot hole with the Last order fleet. Showing "millions" of star destroyers is already absurd, but how many men does it take to crew just 1 let alone "millions."

[@LastGoatKnight]

Let me guess how they answer it, "Shith alchemy and cloning"

[@LastGoatKnight]

No, I didn't type that wrong

[@mathieuleader8601]

I would have just adapted the Thawn Trilogy for a future Star Wars Trilogy

[@chazzitz-wh4ly]

When I think of the character Rey, especially since they announced her return, I am confused about her as a character. After three movies, two writers/directors, and likely numerous secondary material to pad her out, what does she want? What does she need? The announcement said she is going to rebuilt the Jedi, but she never had any ties or even care for the Jedi Order beyond some “sacred Jedi texts”. She barely had any connection to any character, had barely any impactful role to the Rebellion 2.0 outside contrivance, or any worries outside who her, now revealed, nobody parents. The only important tie is she is a Palpatine and responsible for the deaths of the Solo and Skywalker lines after stealing their stuff.

[@Charlie94781]

It would have been so much better if Rey embraced her Grandpa Palpatine and destroyed the rebels

[@GREENIE-5000]

I was genuinely saddened to see Billie Lorde forced to interact with the reanimated corpse of her mother. 😢

[@KIager]

Never really thought about that angle. It's kinda grotesque.

[@mickeyburnsmusic]

Sir, we had this analyzed. The necklace comes from Jamaica. There’s no chance it’s being worn by an American tourist who bought it there. Let’s go to Jamaica, Kylo!

[@Misiulo]

48:50 But If I'm not mistaken Luke levitates the Ewok Chief's chair in Return of The Jedi without a hand gesture.

[@manni17b]

I love this, but as a former jet pilot and amateur rocketry enthusiast, rockets are by FAR much simpler than jets. Minimum moving parts, simple fuel and ignition and only a few tolerances to work about. Jets are a nightmare of all 4 concerns

[@TempoLOOKING]

See his phantom menace video.

[@theyeastwiththeleast4718]

This proves that I haven’t been criticizing things NEARLY hard enough

[@TheThingInMySink]

You know, it just occurred to me, was that whole Jek Jek Tarr part in KOTOR II an attempt at explaining how Qui Gon and Obi Wan managed to hold their breath for long enough that the Trade Federation would have figured that they must be dead, or are they just really good at holding their breath? I must say I haven't seen the scene in full in ages, suppose I should rewatch the trilogy, it's been well over 10 years since I last watched Revenge of the Sith, even longer for the other movies.

[@Amphibax]

Its not unreasonable to think jedis could be able to hold their breath much longer than normal humans. The force can be used to enhance your physical abilities so why not holding your breath too

[@mikoto7693]

I think in KOTOR 2 the Jedi were able to create some sort of Force bubble that filters out poison or sedative. Perhaps they could do it with water. Admittedly it’s been decades since I last played it.

[@jm329]

8:33. It says that the cave was dripping and there was a smell, so they clearly weren’t in space. It had an atmosphere inside of it.

[@saltedhorsemeat4843]

The First Order is just so unbelievably clumsy to me, i think they'd work as a sort of wayside cult working alongside the actual and vengeful Imperial Remnants to give them some manpower as they're only able to fight covertly otherwise, but as the main faction it's just the writers trying to dial up the knob to 11 to outdo what kind of evils the original Empire would do

[@TheKeyblader133]

Yeah. It is just absurd. Doesnt feel like the movies did anything to validate how they exist like they do. Imperial remnants survived, sure. But some specific stuff has to happen for a supposed galactic super power to rise up from the empire's ashes in just 20 fucking years

[@TechGunner97]

2:40:44 I have never noticed that you can see the Tie pilot's eyes through the visor.

[@russellwarren9595]

when it comes to R2 and Astromechs in general is that there are so many upgrades and add ons for them they really can do anything and it is common for people to constantly swap new modules in and out. i can just imagine shops similar to mobile phone shops full of crappy off brand knock off attachments that sort of work for a little while but then break.

[@calclips]

Yeah it’s clear this guy really wanted to reach that 3 and half hours for the time length to be a point on its own, but majority of it was him failing to know his lore.

[@jm329]

The visual dictionary says “To economize space within an astromech's cylindrical torso, interchangeable arms are fitted onto rotating carousels. This assembly allows R2 to quickly deploy a specific arm, creating an illusion of an endless variety of concealed tools.”

[@OneSockFellOff]

I subscribed when I heard the 8bit Scatman 🎶 - and seriously, great work, the attention to detail and editing is appreciated!

[@xenxander]

Light bombardment to remove the horses from the hull works because we already have seen light baster fire not really harm ships. The falcon and boba fet's ship, slave 1, both received light bombardment from blaster fire and didn't suffer any substantial hull damage due to their armor. Actually Slave 1 received fire from Chewie's cross bow which was a powerfully modified hand cannon. So a light battery would have worked easily form a nearby sister ship.

[@danielbroome5690]

small correction on the Interdictor Cruiser lore, they don't have an Area of Effect like what could be inferred from what you said, they project their gravity shadow in a cone and they use multiple Interdictor cruisers to create overlapping fields of effect to widen the area effected by the gravity shadow.

[@BubbleChumpkins]

Here is how you fix everything, you have a scene post sequel trilogy of Rey passionately recounting the story of what happened and as she mentions how Kylo came out of hyperspace in a tie fighter Poe walks up and says "wait, that doesn't make any sense, old model tie fighters don't have hyper drives" Rey aggressively turns to him and says "What ever that's not the point! The point is Ben made it there! Its not like they care!" as she points to the children shes telling the story to. (almost as if her and Poe had this argument before) Boom sequel trilogy fixed, unreliable narrator trope saves the day! Jokes aside I do think this could be a fair but sloppy solution due to the fact that Rey being an unreliable narrator would know about as much of what can and cant happen in Star Wars as someone haphazardly making changes without much research into the franchise. It wouldn't make everyone happy but it would allow them to move forward with shifting things back into reason without having to do any massive changes.

[@chazzitz-wh4ly]

Then Luke enters the scene and tells the students to get in position for their Jedi training lessons and Rey goes to the back of the group.

[@crowtservo]

I thought it was funny Disney had Vader live in a castle on Mustafar. “I got my arms and legs cut off and nearly burned to death there. Yep, I’m totally moving there.”

[@danielbailey9049]

A brief look.... 3 and a half hours later 😂😂 yet it was intriguing throughout. Very thorough breakdown

[@DrCocheRico2]

I just finished reading the novelization of "Rise", and it's far and away better than the movie. You can see the comstraints the author was writing under; however, the book versions of the characters feel real, sympathetic, and two-dimensional (an improvement from the 1D in the movie). Except Kylo: his actions make very little sense. (All that is IMHO, of course, and I can see why people might enjoy or even like the movie---not the audience's fault.) Read the book! The novelizations for Star Wars 1-6, for me, were a nice complement to the movies---something additional, something bonus. But for Rise, it reads like source material that a rushed movie didn't do justice, which is bonkers.

[@whyiwakeup6460]

For anyone who watched the other first, just skip to the 2 hour mark in the chapters.

[@nadrewod999]

Why skip out on half the fun?

[@EpicTurbulance]

Awesome video, very thorough and considered the training/progression comparison of Luke, Anakin, and Rey. The depth of detail considered such as R2 D2 and the secrete room on the Death Star Throne room is crisp critique.

[@KevinM491]

"lets resolve this tangent with a new tangent" ah good a video made for me

[@JaelaOrdo]

You can take Han Solo’s “That’s not how the force works” line from TFA and replace the force with numerous other terms to accurately portray Disney wars. That’s not how hyperspace works! That’s not how blasters work! That’s not how lightsaber crystals work! That’s not how storytelling works! Etc.

[@Lancasterlaw1175]

To be honest I sort of like the idea of speeder jammers, it gives a reason to fit legs or tracks to military vehicles

[@ALG2691]

My thoughts on it were that they are real (in the EU anyways) and they work with predefined functions. Repulsors are basically antigravity and need a gravity well present to work, as explained in the video. The jammer basically is turning off the artificial gravity of the ship. The speeder would then just flop onto the deck and wouldn’t move.

[@YaburuRunyaru]

I could accept the concept of lightspeed skipping or skimming (whatever it’s called) if it were described as the nava computer quickly calculating the next closest celestial being/mass/gravitational force. If that were the case, then it would only take the computer a fraction of second to fix its target, and you could repeatedly arrive and leave immediately to a new location as quickly as they showed. And it would even explain why every time they come out of hyperspace they arrive at a planet. It could even explain why it’s something that is never used until an extremely desperate time, as you run the risk of going right into a black hole or anything else that would instantly kill you. You could even get stuck in a loop, unable to escape your pursuers. This took me two seconds to think of, and while it still may have its issues, it not only makes more general sense, but its more interesting just by the merit of having an explanation a general audience could understand.

[@robcooper4730]

Love the use of Dennis when it's time to explain the implication

[@BananaWasTaken]

I like how the title isn’t lying, since compared to some of your other videos *cough* the phantom menace *cough* 3 and a half hours is brief

[@rekunta]

1:58:52 I appreciate the mockery of Rian’s insufferable laughter.

[@TheChaosCorvid]

Honestly the cheek puff exhale makes sense to me, it's just a nervous tick I have and I could see myself doing that in a fight.

[@hibernianperspective6183]

Goodness, this is quite a loaf, I don't know if I'll be able to eat it all at once. 🍞

[@jimmyboy131]

Vader's rank cylinder is the cyclindrically-shaped handle he attaches to his belt when it's not in use.

[@NoID42069]

I love how understood it is that Babu Frik is the best thing about the sequels

[@chanceneck8072]

Autistic-me already approves of how you explain things in the beginning and how things are structured. It makes a noticable difference that is appreciated! 👍

[@WildmanTrading]

This man doesn't JUST point out problems with the movies, but gives detailed solutions.

[@havtheroc]

A year late, but to the... Interesting individual who said that writing against the Expanded Universe would contradict some obscure piece of lore from a comic in the 80s? I tell them this. It has been done. Effectively. With love, care and respect to the source material. It's called Star Wars: Supernatural Encounters, by Joe Bongiorno.

[@nihongo_jouzu]

I absolutely love this, but with all due respect I disagree with the idea that the data tapes are "cards" and not some extremely advanced form of data tapes. Even in the real world, governments often lag behind industry when it comes to storage medium tech, who is to say that the by then 20+ year old Death Star plans weren't stored on an antiquated fall-of-the-republic era storage medium?

[@theyeastwiththeleast4718]

Fun fact toydarians had to adapt to a semi force sensitive predator that could do a sort of mind trick…I think

[@spacebees86]

Love the Dark Forces trilogy of games, they're even more "Core Star Wars" to me than Shadows I still get the same kind of weird claustrophobia playing them now

[@AIphariusOmegon]

Ok so at about 4ish minutes in. The trees exist and look roughly the same age because in Vader Immortal a VR game; It's stated it used to be a jungle planet but a device sapped away everything, in that game the device is destroyed and the planet is slowly becoming a jungle again. To my understanding

[@patrickbateman312]

You can still delete this

[@sad_theory3998]

this guy is criminally underrated

[@WhoWeBe-ro]

Well clearly they have a rooted stance of gender-roles as well as gender-dependant personality traits. Also when speaking of a hypothetical person there is absolutely nothing wrong with saying “them” instead of “him” which you use to define anyone whom could come along, though by using “him” you state that you could only fully accept this character if they are male. My father never finished grade 10 whereas my mother went to college. My father has never worked away from farm/construction whereas my mother has had many different classes of occupational responsibilities as well as embarassing teenaged labourers at forty on a hay wagon & luckily more than a couple had left without being paid, just hoped off the wagon & on their bikes SO please tell me that I automatically assume men to be more capable than women just because I am a male. I don't think any person is automatically anything & yet choose to have reasons or excuses & that's what makes them useful or useless. Remember not to judge any by the skin, but instead by the content of their character. A rapist is a rapist regardless of what's in their wallet & a wealthy criminal is still a law breaker whether they are charged or not. For example everyone is happy that Hitler died for his war crimes & yet grampy Bush was his largest financial backer whom was never punished & was allowed to run a son & grandson through the White House for two terms each & each of them started a war that they were never punished for. Lincoln abolished slavery for economic equality between the North & South - it had little to do with slavery being wrong & nothing to do with the race of the slaves. Honest Abe did plenty of lying by omission, but no one cares & all statues are dumb as well as being on land that could be used as housing or farming/gardening. The West (most specifically the Barely Unified States) isn't good with power & is terrible with money so maybe since they don't know how to be the global superpower then they shouldn't be. The B.U.S. is bullies more than leaders & thieves more than liberators. In 2010 more Canadian soldiers were killed by U.S. error than by insurgency attacks & yet never one apology & thems were during the Obama years so again more of just a (B.)U.S. leader than a good leader. I'm just leading horses to water knowing that I cannot make them think, but hopefully, but also with little care if you want to stay ignorant as long as you can give up the arrogance -BUMBLEBEE SALMON!

[@yellowrose0910]

​@@WhoWeBe-ro"Guy" is gender-neutral like 'dude'.

[@WhoWeBe-ro]

@@yellowrose0910 I use to argue that, but had way too many people argue against it which convinced me that ‘guy’ & ‘dude’ have too much potential to raise ire & even insult people. If there is a chance of possible offense being taken then it isn't a neutral anything. Neutrality implies no offense. Maybe you should accept that words matter & stop using neutrality or your imposition of what/when neutrality applies to cover up not using a more accurate & thusly; a more appropriate, wording choices. You can try to be better or keep apologizing for making the exact same mistakes your entire life - any & every one can but so many choose not to & become defined by their little areas where they refuse to improve .... little annoyances that stop being quirks after years become decades & you are no longer that person that does this thing & have become the person that won't drop that fnckiug thing already.

[@martian_turtle4070]

This is one of the more unhinged comment threads that I've seen. Truly astounding

[@WhoWeBe-ro]

@@martian_turtle4070 & exactly how hinged was it that you decided to pile on without any actual opinion, just a statement of being astounded & astounded about what exactly. A thought only half expressed is completely useless. Your involved involvement is astounding.

[@OR56]

If you really wanted a big laser, I could see why, the ability to instantly vaporise enemy capital ships would be really powerful, but it doesn't need to be able to blow up a planet.

[@OR56]

1:16:49 8-bit Smooth Criminal. Took me a second, I was like “I know this! What is it?” Nice.

[@em_the_bee]

Also Scatman, Personal Jesus, What Is Love 3:21:03 (and before) sounds very familiar, parts of this motif appear a lot in metal riffs

[@OR56]

@@em_the_bee It's definitely Smooth Criminal

[@WaylandYT]

I know you are on point with references, but still the DAGOTHWAVE caught be off guard. Bravo.

[@simonschaller857]

In Mass Effect caracters can keep an atmospere around their body with a biotic field, so no space suit required just an oxygen source.

[@stoweby]

I love seeing just how far the long man's influence has spread throughout long form reviewers. I'm so glad to see there are enough of us out there to support this type of content when youtube is littered with 10-15 minute algorithm garbage.

[@Cheemsborgor998]

so apparently the trees are called "Irontrees" which were planted in a vain attempt to replenish Mustafar's ecosystem by some group called Alazmec of Winsit

[@IndustrialMagic]

Around the 3 hour 8 minute mark, you talk about the 16 hour countdown. How long does all this flying around the galaxy in this movie take? I always hated this detail.

[@Silveirias]

Me, too. There's just no way everything happens in just 16 hours. It's ridiculous.

[@chazzitz-wh4ly]

They go to too many places in such a short amount of time it made the space travel and seeing new planets frustrating. Locations can have character too, everyone remembers Naboo, Tatooine, and Hoth. What planets are even worth remembering in the series? Jakku and Mexico mainly since they get brought up the most by name.

[@matthewcollins4773]

I always find it strange that people take Watto's line about Toydarians literally. I read it as simple racial-national pride: "I'm a Toydarian, we're not weak minded fools, we drive hard bargains!"

[@dextrodemon]

ive got a headcannon that lightsabers are like harder to use than they look. like they influence each other over quite a distance and they're like 'sticky' when in contact, so one blade can't slide along the length of another. that's for explaining why there's so many like movie long binds. the hardness to use and influence is to explain why people don't turn then off an on again, if they're in a bind or to stop a block, or really as depicted it'd make more sense to have the sabre off most of the time and only turn it on when the blade would materialize inside the guy you're trying to kill, and also a way to explain all the swirly combat, the blade is a bit like when you have your hand out a car window and you can like use it as a airfoil to move it up and down, they like use the blades like. and yes i know no-one cares, but i can type what i want when i want! i think the disney means none of that works anymore tho

[@lsixty30]

Appreciating life, being thankful, is the best way to "know you're in the good old days". Wonder. Great vid once again !

[@RainFall2112]

Great video - calling it a Jedi mind trick sounds colloquial because they never saw anyone else use it.

[@TopaT0pa]

Disney Wars is the classic filmindustry problem of "Too miuch cocaine, too little lore reading"

[@artnull13]

Explains Pablo Hidalgo

[@Clock_70]

I can't believe I sat through the whole thing! ❤ This was awesome

[@tiggytheimpaler5483]

I love holocrons simply because they could effectively store entire personalities if the creator or creators were skilled enough. The sith would use souls to essentially make a sentient magical thumb drive that you could converse with

[@Mephilis78]

I don't think artificial gravity is the same as actual gravity. Therefore no need to calculate the size of a gravity well. My evidence would be when multiple ships are in formation, you never see them using thrusters to prevent being smashed together by the gravity of the other ships. This means that something like Star Trek gravity plating is different than the Star Wars anti hyperdrive gravity well generator thing.

[@ChuckFinnley944]

Small issue with your description of the Jedi Mind Trick in this analysis. (I am barely more educated than a le person so what I’m about to say may be wrong feel free to correct me.) The fact it is called a “Jedi” mind trick is likely more of a general terminology than a strict categorization of who can use the ability. It is unlikely that highly trained Sith, for example, would be unable to perform this technique. The ability is most likely referred to as a “Jedi” Mind Trick because most people in the galaxy have at least a passing understanding of what the Jedi are but most would be unfamiliar with the Sith beyond them being “bad Jedi.” With regard to the ability requiring a somatic component, that’s not necessarily true. When trying to mind trick Jabba, Luke did not use a somatic gesture and still seemed to think his ability would work. While somatic components are commonly used with many force techniques, I am not aware of any lore or rule which states that such a gesture is required for the ability to function. Darth Vader, for example, was able to use telekineses in his fight against Luke on Bespin without using somatic components commonly used with this ability. All of this is to say that these points in particular you’ve brought up are not necessarily deal breakers for why she would be unable to use a Jedi Mind Trick. The fact that she has known that the force is real for about an hour and has never seen a Mind Trick used or trained in the force for literally any amount of time, that’s still pretty much a 100% guarantee she should be unable to use it in that situation. It would have actually made for a pretty funny scene if she tried to use it thinking it was some innate ability and the Stormtrooper just says no.

[@andy7987.]

IDK if anyone else pointed this out but do you know what wounded wild animals will do to you if you touch their wounds? I'll give you a hint, my own dog that trusts me above all angrily snaps at me when I touch him at a site of injury.

[@TobeWilsonNetwork]

Really nice video. You’re not screeching and chewing scenery about how you hate Star Wars, you’re actually using words and thinking out counterfactuals.

[@Kooqie]

Love all the kotor shots of MANAN while talking about Mon Cala. Not the same place but please use kotor everywhere and anywhere

[@Kyrieru]

Hearing Starwars OST motifs play in Disney clips is physically painful.