How & Why Did Aulë’s Students Turn to Evil? (Sauron & Saruman) | Lord of the Rings Lore

[@picivyvortac2641]

"But the making of things is in my heart... and a child of little understanding who makes play of his father's work may do so without mockery." -one of my favorite literary quotes.

[@cormacmacsuibhne2867]

The only other Vala to defy Ilúvatar but as you said, he showed humility and reverence to Eru which separates him from Melko. BTW He envied Aulë for his gift of crafting and not only did he corrupt the greatest student of Aulë, he also marred his works more than any of the other Vala. But Aulë would always try to repair them.

[@eugenebelford9087]

I'd like to believe that also other Vala in a way similar to Aule (not Melkor) "defied" Iluvatar. Chief among them Manwe, by not acting when necessary. He seems to me in need of a kick in the backside by Eru every once in a while to remind him that he was not created King of the Valar just so he could sit and watch the scenery like a voyeur on a beach. I mean, how often did his brother Ulmo need to show him that sometimes only a hands-on-approach gets the desired results? 😉🙂

[@faustomadebr]

Id not say "defy", but disobey. He was not going against Eru, but eager to see the children of Eru asap.

[@shokmusic_AC]

I do find it interesting that the Silmirillion notes the similarities between Morgoth and Aule. "Melkor was jealous of him, for Aule was most like himself in thought and powers." And, "Both, also desired to make things of their own that should be new and unthought of by others, and delighted in the praising of their skill." I wonder if this similarity allowed for an easier transition into Melkor's position for Aule's followers.

[@DigitalSystematic]

I think it's quite clear that this proclivity towards creation, or "doing it my way" is something that connects all of these characters (Sauron, Feanor, Saruman, Morgoth) I'm sure somewhere there will be a Tolkien scholar who would be able to explain why he chose to make that particular trait something that allows his characters to easily fall to darkness. It's almost like one of the deadly sins. Maybe Tolkien is warning us against leaders/figures who look like they are able to fix the world with their own hands. (See 1930's Germany) since there are always references towards things his experienced early in his life. Or maybe it's just against materialism as someone else has said in the comments.

[@shokmusic_AC]

@@DigitalSystematic I think you're on to something. Another KZbinr did a nice video essay on Tolkien's criticism of Nietzsche's Übermensch. Tolkien, a devout Catholic, despised Nietzsche's philosophical belief that humanity would reach its zenith once it had moved beyond Christianity. With this in mind, we could view Sauron, Saraman, and Feanor as the Overman, incredibly talented and gifted, but devoid of Divine guidance.

[@freddie4901]

I think there's also a lot of Hiedigger in there too. He writes about instrumental reason and using technology as an tool of domination vs technology as an discipline of 'discovering' the natural world. Which seems very in line with Melkor, Sauron, Saruman vs how Aule and the Elves in large seem to very it. Elven soft magic seems to suggest excellent enough craftsmanship brings forth a kind of inherent magical quality

[@RealLifeIronMan]

All the Valar have minor character flaws. Aule was fascinated with creation and order, but that interest somewhat blinded him to his own disobedience until Eru reminded him that only he could truly grant life. Sauron and Saruman were very like Aule. They had a fascination with creation and order in Middle Earth, yet blinded to their own disobedience to Eru. The difference is that while Aule humbled himself, his students became more prideful.

[@stevenkempton7469]

@@shokmusic_ACdoesn’t mean he was wrong though.

[@andrayellowpenguin]

I always loved how Aule pointed out that Feanor shouldn't be pressed to decide about breaking the silmarils. I think he understood what was asked more than anyone else. I think the tragedy here is that while Aule is a great teacher he is (probably) a lot more in his own mind, thinking about his craft but completely disconnected from the people side of things, and especially the influence Melkor could have on his people. He loves to teach but I've always felt he was like those teachers we all know who really know and love their craft but aren't exactly mentors - they can show you how to do something and they like you to learn and do it well but they don't build relationships so you don't feel allegiance to them. And because he himself never wished to rebel he (probably) couldn't understand how anyone else would be open to Melkor's influence or why anyone would even care to control their creation. So in a way I'm not sure he could have been more of a mentor or know how to turn people away from seeking power and control, I'm not sure he had it in him. But i do think if he had been more attentive to the relationship part of the teaching then at least Feanor could have been redeemed. Because i always felt that the biggest point Melkor scored with Feanor was that he made him feel the valars were all remote and didn't really care about the elves, and it all spiraled from that. I know Feanor wasn't exactly easy to turn, he always followed his own mind, but Melkor was able to influence him, and there was no balancing force at all, Manwe just never got into any sort of relationship with the elves, Ulmo was MIA and only came to Valinor if absolutely necessary, Tulkas and Orome were basically just sports and party buddies at best, and there's no indication that any other valar ever actually felt anything other than completely remote to the elves, not even the feminine valars. They were a lot more concerned with the maiar i think, because they understood eachother a lot better. And some maiars worked closer with the elves, but other than Melian and Olorin we never hear of any having any sort of close relationship. Aule and his people are the one that seems to have been the closest to the elves. I feel if Feanor had had a relationship more like metorship/friendship with Aule then he wouldn't have succumbed to Melkor's influence because he'd have an argument in "but Aule isn't like that". But if that happened we'd never have had the great story we have so... 😅

[@JayOppold]

Parheps the students of Aule being prone to turning to the darkness is a representation of Tolkiens dislike/distrust of unchecked industrial advancement.

[@thegeckogecko7824]

It always stuck me as a subtle caution against materialism. Aulë and his students were makers of objects and objects have a great power to corrupt. His creation too could be covetous (like with the Nauglamír & Thingol) and "delved too greedily and too deep".

[@lmr4403]

Aulë's marriage to Yavanna shows one of the main differences between Sauron, Saruman and Aulë. Obsession with crafting without love for all that grows (represented by Yavanna) can be twisted into overindustrialization. (Tolkien hated industrialization)

[@random22026]

6:49 Manwe Sulimo 😉😉 7:40 Feanor's 'creation of the Silmarils...'

[@TheTolkienCurmudgeon]

Greetings from the Tolkien Curmudgeon: A deep and important topic. I would only add something about how Yavanna was the spouse of Aulë and the maker of the Two Trees, which were source of the light entrapped within the Silmarilli by Fëanor, who, yeah, was probably the GREATEST student of Lord Aulë.

[@eugenebelford9087]

An intriguing aspect is missing: How was Aule able to note and successfully warn/ intervene in time that Osse was about to join Melkor/ Morgoth but could not do so in regards of his own students?

[@dv6342]

"I'm pretty sure HE would know what an alloy was." Clean up on aisle 3!!

[@dbeckman85]

Here's the reply I was looking for😂 the rings of power is so bad .

[@tweso1499]

For fuck’s sake, Celebrimbor wasn’t stupid nor didn’t know what an alloy was. Seeing as someone brought up a basic solution rather than a complex one is less “IDK about alloys” more “tell me what _you_ know of alloys” as a teacher or instructor would be for putting it into practice to see _IF_ it could work. It’s called CONTEXT, not to mention that he (unknowingly) was being deceived by a student of Aule himself (and a servant of Morgoth) by having his ego inflate a bit (due to flattery and “a gift”).

[@Mallarkey]

​@@tweso1499 yeah, I think some people have gone a bit overboard on that point, just to find any tiniest thing to criticise.

[@olesideburns]

These repeated and silly criticisms just show the laziness of the critics. There are layers beyond "lol he had to tell Celebrimbor about alloys." Your unwillingness to open your mind and see that is just sad. Celebrimbor was also saying this like "how far outside the confines of our race". Show he had some shortsighted views. Additionally, the rings are being shown to be an alloy of dark and light. "You bind me to the light, I bind you to power" as Sauron said. Repeating the same things over and over are just making memes and you are actually helping rings of power stick around and potentially gain popularity. So "touch the darkness" and laugh😂 but it's not having the effect you think.

[@dbeckman85]

@@tweso1499 it's called bad writing and a shitty fan fiction garbage show. Quit crying about it. The show has failed and people hate it.

[@jeffreygao3956]

At least the dwarves are good guys.

[@mattgoodell7015]

Don't mention that to Turin.

[@Theggman83]

Most of them...

[@jeffreygao3956]

@@mattgoodell7015 I will! Gimli x Legolas forever!

[@j-mc5201]

Yeah, reasonable uplift!

[@Edward-nf4nc]

Not all are good. During the Last Alliance of Elves and Men it was said that some of every race fought on both sides save the elves only. We know four dwarven clans lived in the East, so some of them could have fought for Sauron. Also, as the Blue Wizards, who were Ainur, came before then they might have fought on one side and Sauron, who was also a Ainur, fought on the other! Also, the Dwarves of Nogrod killed Elf king Thingol in the First Age. Many believe the is where the rivalry between elves and Dwarves came from, and as Dwarves of Nogrod later moved to Khazad-dum and surviving Sindar moved into Eriador and Rhovanion where Dwarves dwelt. Even Thorin II fell for a while!

[@thomassmith6232]

Aule's greatest flaw was impatience. This was inherited by his followers. His followers wanted order above all else, and weren't willing to wait, but sought to impose it by force.

[@gerrimilner9448]

we are not responsible for the choices another makes, unless we have persuaded their choices

[@pinstripesuitandheels]

Aule was a creator, and I wonder if that attracted a certain type of pupil to him. If you are jealous of Eru Illuvatar and have a burning ambition to be master of your own domion, who better to follow than Aule the Smith?

[@Tallacus]

A coworker who is also a Tolkien fan suggested it was the heat that drove them mad

[@starwarsbrainbusters5587]

Amazing Vid Bro i Love it! Ive been a fan for a while and i had a Video Request, please make a video ranking all Tolkien Books, its something i have always wanted to see and it rly fascinates me ): Keep up the Good Work Bro ❤

[@marciofelipejustino2563]

Aulë foi o valar que sofreu duas traições uma de Mairon/ Sauron e de Curumo/ Saruman.

[@shivachandra6704]

I've always wondered this and now the question gets answered !!!

[@loraelstad8941]

I think there’s a common thread between Aulë & his students, only in the desire to create. Admittedly, Aulë’s reason for creating the Dwarves, in secret, is somewhat selfish. He already had students among the Valar to pass his great teachings on. Why, exactly, did he need Dwarves for that? Did he want some level of being exalted as a Master teacher on a level he wasn’t getting from his own kind? Was there not enough reverence for his liking as only a created race would show to their creator? Especially, since he always had the same knowledge that all had in that only Eru Illuvatar could actually create true life. I wonder what was going through his mind in creating beings that he knew could never actually live without Eru’s blessing or help. What state were Dwarves in since it’s impossible for others to even create Life? Were they just dormant figures? Were they just a passing creation like any other inanimate object that sprang to his mind? He had enough presence of mind to keep them secret, so was there a seed there? True enough, he didn’t seem to really wish to cause conflict & immediately stood down, even willing to destroy what he’d wrought. And Illuvatar was merciful & stayed Aulë’s hand, even granting his own life giving to the created Dwarves. Might the others have taken some note of this, as seeing Aulë as having defied Eru & gotten away with it, even somehow being rewarded? Aulë & his erstwhile students all seemed to have that inherent desire to “make” but were then limited in how much or what types of things they were allowed to create. Many of the students apparently disagreed somewhat with their leader/creator on how order was to be kept, in their realm as well as the created physical one. Ultimately, these personal agendas, desires & beliefs led some down a darker path further & further, & I feel that was their own decisions leading them, not Aulë’s directly. His knowledge & experiences were twisted in the others, by their hands, not his. With knowledge, it’s always what you choose to do with it that end’s up mattering, with varying degrees of consequences viewed as good, middle of the road or bad. Aulë’s station in life and as a teacher would likely lend itself to the higher chance of students going down varied paths, so it just seems like he was disproportionately cursed with followers heading down the wrong path. It’s statistics at work.

[@shauntempley9757]

Eru spared the Dwarves, because they were woven into his song of creation. Aule did not know of that when it was being made. He only made the Dwarves, because of a calling that they be made abruptly woke up within him. The only one that knows the most of the song of creation, and its contents, is Ulmo, because Eru intended him to assist and watch the children. All of them. The parallel of this making impulse, is Feanor's making of the Silmarils. He too had the calling those be made wake up in him abruptly.

[@nadzame]

What’s interesting is that aule could create but malcor couldn’t. Is there any chance that when they say that malcor couldn’t create, they meant that he could but he shouldn’t? Similar to how aule shouldn’t have created the dwarves? Also, because the skills that aule had were so powerful and important, I’m sure that caused evil to tempt aule’s students even more because they needed those skills on their side. Evil would spend much more effort trying to sway them to their side.

[@simonkoster]

I feel like the general theme of studying and practicing 'crafts' (physics ?) leading to darkness reflects Tolkien's personal aversion to the idea of 'forcing' nature, leading in the real world to Hiroshima.

[@troubledjoe6201]

Aule the Smith - just imagine him in the band picture between and slightly behind Marr, Rourke and Joyce….

[@LovemyDrones]

Unfortunately, power of any kind can be corrupting to those that have good intentions at the beginning.

[@toddkurzbard]

Is it recorded how Aule himself felt about the betrayal of his students? Was he upset? Angry? felt guilty? Did he feel desire to deal with their betrayal personally? Or did he just "write them off" as failures who were no longer worthy of his care, or did he advocate for the Valar to "end" them? What was his reaction?

[@Emanon...]

Don't forget the dwarves of Beleriand, their betrayal and how they twisted it into propaganda about elves being untrustworthy. I swear, Aule created more evil without even trying than Melkoth or Sauron. Are we sure he's not the actual dark lord?

[@IanHeins]

Nice work dude thanks

[@witchhazel4135]

I can actually relate to Feanor. The Valar asked if they could break His toy, the silmarils, so that they could fix their own toys. This is after Feanor told them that he could never produce them again and that the only thing dearer to him was his father. Sure, the Valar's trees couldn't be restored without the light from the silmarils (which, yes, is the light of the trees). But with Feanor denying them the silmarils, they were forced to create a new light source that benefited, not only men, but all living things in Middle Earth. If they had broken the silmarils and restored the trees, Valonor's light source would be restored, but Middle Earth would have remained without the Sun and Moon. I'm not any more fond of the Valar than Feanor was, with the exception of Ulmo.

[@aimeem]

Or Eru Iluvatar for that matter. He's all "Absolute power and control is good, as long as it stays in the hands of the right person, ie. ME."

[@jamief1263]

With Sauron, I don’t think the Valar are at fault, other than they should have captured him after the war of wrath. Saruman seemed to be picked to fail, he was wise, powerful and skilful, but he was also proud and arrogant. He considered himself more worthy than his fellow Istari and was deeply resentful of Gandalf, due to others acknowledging his worth (over his own) and how people liked Gandalf more. Feanor just had mommy issues due to his mother dying in childbirth and his father spoiling him.

[@derekmiller6091]

They DID capture Sauron. Eonwe took his eye off the ball and Sauron legged it!

[@jamief1263]

Sauron surrendered to Eonwe and repented, however he told Sauron that it was not his position to pardon Sauron and told him to present himself to the Valar for judgement. Sauron was free to go as he pleased and was unwilling to humble himself after having such lofty positions under Morgoth.

[@stephenpickering8063]

Good video thanks and raises an important point. IIRC its also said that the Balrog's were mostly former Maiar who served Aule so that was another factor here. Not sure if it says anywhere in the stories and background knowledge if the Maiar of any other Valar turned to evil - although possibly that could be said of the two blue wizards, although their actual fate is unknown. Glad you included Feanor in the list as he possibly - albeit indirectly - caused more death and destruction in the 1st age of the sun than Sauron . If not for his flaws including his already existing ego and arrogance which Melkor cultivated resulting in his internal exile before the trees were attacked, his foul oath and the 1st kinslaying its possibly that the Valar might have accepted what they themselves said - that as a Valar Melkor was too powerful to be defeated other than by themselves and not have sat on their rears denying aid while so many innocents suffered and so much evil was stocked up for later ages as well. I suspect that Tolkien's hostility towards industrialization, which I think he wrongly blamed for the horrors of WWI is possibly why he selected Aule's servants as the most corruptible. - Yes the development of industrialization did make possible such a massively destructive war but that was also because it allowed Earth to support so many people and be so creative. It was the leaders that decided that war was their chosen path and continued with it despite the horrendous destruction that developed.

[@ajmainfahim8569]

I wonder if all the other Valar at least doubted the effectiveness of his teachings once or twice 🤣

[@Byenie0912]

he's lucky Yavanna didn't divorce him right then and there i imagine during a Valar coucil meeting, Aule was always being scolded for everything sauron, saruman, balrog, and dwarves did in middle earth

[@ajmainfahim8569]

Divorce may be a bit too far. He got a scolding or two probably. 🤣

[@GaryGillKeeper]

Maybe that's why the dwarfs were so immune to the rings? Because they Awule's children. Shaped through his craft.

[@shauntempley9757]

The Dwarves were affected by the rings. How that turned out as an example, just look at Thorin in the films. Sauron clearly built dragon gold type influence into the rings he gave them.

[@cioplasmmajic8327]

The most fundamental idolatry is love of the created over the creator. Who loves a creation more than an artist?

[@TheTableOfDurin]

I think that his students got a lot of knowledge from Aulë and due to this. They turned their knowledge into power. They were tempted by it. So it is not his fault that they fell into darkness, although he gave them the knowledge (which was meant for good, not for evil things.)

[@Jayjay-qe6um]

After Saruman, Aule probably will no longer teach anyone.

[@paulbrickler]

Just starting the video, but my theory is that skilled craftspeople are, personality-wise, more likely than other types, to be prideful. And, pride comes before a fall. But, let's watch the video and see what you think.

[@paulbrickler]

Partly guessed correctly: Pride, Ambition, Individual Choices . . . Can't disagree with anything you said, though, which is something on a Tolkien channel. As an aside, very nice selection of artwork and transitions among them, again. Very good looking video.

[@cormacmacsuibhne2867]

Aulë was The Smith. To be a Smith, you must take raw material and shape it to your desire and turn it into something you could almo call perfect. To shape something requires great strength, mentally as well as physically. You see things and wish to make them better. Sauron wanted to make a better world and thought joining Melkor was the answer. Saruman wanted to create a better world for Men. Both wished to rule because they thought it was right. The desire to shape things can create great things like the Silmarils but if the Craftsman has a dark heart, then said Darkness they shall create and spread.

[@davidmiddleton7958]

It is often going through my mind that Tolkien wrote that Radagast was to accompany Saruman. Yavanna's attempt to keep someone on course?

[@frogmand.142]

In Tolkien's Universe, to create or "fix" something, you had to force your Will over it, and your Will had to be greater. How something was changed or why it was created made all the difference. Morgoth forced his Will over all Middle Earth and so became the essence of Decay that could never be undone. Sauron was similar but different, he didn't want to change everything, he wanted to own everything. A perfect opposite example is Tom Bombadil. Tom had immense Will and forced it on nothing. That is why his realm was shrinking and why the way of Morgoth was more attractive to those who had learned to use their Will to change the world rather than uphold it.

[@connorhighland6783]

It's cause Aule went against Iluvatar's will & created the dwarves

[@Visitant01]

So you’re implying that Eru indirectly punished him through letting his own disciples turn to evil?

[@connorhighland6783]

@@Visitant01 no, but what Aule did planted the seed for Morgoth to exploit

[@shauntempley9757]

@@connorhighland6783 Incorrect. Melkor got the thirst to exploit during the song of creation. He was exploiting everything from the very beginning. The story of Osse's corruption is proof of that.

[@connorhighland6783]

@@shauntempley9757 incorrect. Aule's disobeyed out of the desire to create in imitation of Ilu. Melkor corrupted Aule's servants desire to create towards evil.

[@Byenie0912]

i would add that the Balrogs were part of Aule's retinue imagine, those were Maiar's with high affinity to fire those Balrogs were possibly used as fire in Aule's forge and possibly at the two Lamps imagine you were an Ainur in the timeless void and then suddenly in Arda you were used as nothing but kindle for a Valar... like a slave I bet i would rebel too

[@samuelsadowski7145]

I think Morgoth had it out for Aule. It's evident they're polar opposites. Aule the maker. Morgoth the destroyer. BUT they both broke protocol in some way. Morgoth sang his own song and had his own views, and that caused discord among others. Aule made the dwarves BUT turned himself in. Then, he was praised. After all that, I feel like Morgoth started to then really target Aule by enticing Sauron. Possibly Aules best student. Also made me wonder why more treatory didn't trickle down through Sauron onto the dwarves. The dwarves seemed to be discarded to me after those rings were made for them. Feedback is welcome. Call me dumb if it is ❤

[@TheValarClan]

my reading into this was that, even though he was humble, he is students did not take that lesson or pay attention to it. The qualities of being a creator type person you take pride in work you do. you also take ownership of the thing you create. Pride and entitlement can be twisted around, and we all know the saying about pride goes before a fall.

[@baystated]

I'd hate to be another Valar apologist but they didn't have any predecessors to warn them of pitfalls of their blindspots. That said, even though they were doing their best without having teachers of their own, they are not absolved responsible for the consequences of their failings.

[@kentvesser9484]

Are we sure that Aule is not actually Pickles from Metalocalypse?

[@j-mc5201]

I can’t wait to watch this one!

[@PtolemyJones]

Aule seems to be an embodiment of addiction.

[@phillipmitchell2254]

Aule is kinda like the platonic demiurge

[@wagon9082]

Good video

[@Sindraug25]

And weren't the balrogs all maiar of Aule as well?

[@natureiscool4364]

No they weren't

[@Sindraug25]

@@natureiscool4364 Yeah, I've since looked it up, and I see nothing affiliating them with Aule. I'm not sure why I was under that impression.

[@j-mc5201]

I havnt heard as to who the Balrogs were under. . . . Probably the Bank of America.

[@MaironTheAdmirable]

The balrogs were actually the earliest of the maiar to join Melkor, likely during the initial discord in the Ainülindale. This is why they are considered the most corrupt in form and nature amongst any of the maiar. Even Sauron and Saruman were able to initially reject the temptation of evil, whereas the balrogs were in it from the start.

[@j-mc5201]

@@MaironTheAdmirable So what you’re saying is, they were farting in Church!

[@awgates85]

I'm curious, as it has been a couple decades since my last deep dive into the Legendarium, but was it ever stated or implied whom the Blue wizards were most closely associated with? I imagine it is my own head cannon, but I seem to remember that at least one was of Aule's circle and they both failed, possibly falling to darkness themselves.

[@seta-san2149]

You forgot that while Nellie had a share of all the valors knowledge and skills he was closest to aule

[@b-o-n-d-y9478]

Tolkien's way of saying artists have major ego complexes lol

[@jameltaylor4241]

Aule is the Yoda of LOTR

[@hayman21]

🔥🔥🔥

[@MrNoucfeanor]

Specious allegations against Feanor once again. If only Guyladriel would have given a single strand of hair... Just kidding of course. Great video!

[@fred20097]

What i don't get is that Melkor was the most powerful of all the valar, but he couldn't create life and so was eaten by envy and resentment. And yet Aule was able to create the dwarves. Eru Illuvatar forgave him and allowed the dwarves to survive. So all Melkor had to do is create his own beings in secret, and as long as they weren't evil, if he had submitted before Eru like Aule did, surely problem solved! And people accuse rings of p as having plot holes?

[@derekmiller6091]

Hardly fair. For one, they’re not students, they’re of the same order. Secondly, Osse originally turned to Morgoth, and Arian would have made a fantastic lady-Balrog but she rejected him and he was afraid of her, that’s why all his creatures shunned sunlight.

[@shaivayogi]

Here's a different take: the very nature of Aule is crafting, and by its nature, crafting requires precision. Aule's lesser-in-stature students would have perceived things like free will and individual choice to be harbingers of utter chaos thrown into the perfection of precision...free souls would be a "virus", a "blight" on the precision and order of world crafting. This perilous problem of choice and free will could lead lesser beings than Aule, astray. Just my two cents worth...

[@shauntempley9757]

Yes, it is why crafting of anything has always been seen as a dangerous prospect through time. Our world is complicated even more, because we have learned that discovery and research carries the exact same risks, and it is something that is new.

[@shaivayogi]

@@shauntempley9757 Could not agree more; in '74 I was ten years old, and the world was...different. Not enough room to comment on today's plight, but I can summarize by saying that technology in general has "complicated" life, and that's a generous understatement. Chaotic is a good one-word description, I feel.

[@Visitant01]

Perhaps he’s a bad teacher. I mean why couldn’t he be like Uinen? She was able to pull Ossë back from turning to Morgoth. If a Maiar could do that, then surely a Valar could do it as well. Why did he let great spirits like Saruman ans Sauron slip away from him?

[@a.d.clarke4990]

Not a student obviously, but didn't Tolkien write that Melkor envied Aule too and that they were similar?

[@evenstar1608]

Perhaps bec he created the dwarves and almost smut them to death until Eru adopted them as his own children.

[@nickdavidelijah]

our lay

[@the_beast_among_sheep]

Intriguing, because there was nothing evil about Aule.

[@christianpetersen163]

Aulë created the dwarves, the earth and the dark lord pipeline.

[@Prilliyo]

I don't think it says anything about Aulë Eru would say this was how it was meant to be

[@olliestephens558]

Twas written in the song in the beginning (nah it wasn’t his fault)

[@morgoth173]

Video 308

[@joefarrow1599]

Aule's alloy?

[@danwillburn]

I have been a blacksmith all of my life, what word was that you used? Alloy? Means nothing to me.

[@thomasb.anderson8113]

SAuron, SAruman, SAmwise

[@xyreniaofcthrayn1195]

Aule chose poorly.

[@neonpulse49]

What a alloy?😮

[@smuggthecomrade1477]

First babyyyyy yea

[@danielmurray2857]

No, the knowledge he imparted to his students did not include hatred, domination or avarice. That was their choice.

[@noturmum7967]

You just repeated the same point over and over while remixing the words 😂 gotta get that to me in I guess

[@jpiccone1]

This repeats the same points over and over.

[@fred20097]

Yeah, I find that too. I'm subscribed to the channel but don't give thumbs up for that reason. I still find the videos interesting though.