@thecalieffect reacts to the 2-Player Starter Set...

[@JunkSync]

imagine you and your friend playing what is basically caveman yugioh with this, and then one of you casually summons zeus and just instantly wins. Truly the new player experience.

[@JunkSoul]

I'm buying this for two reasons. 1. Zeus 2. To teach my wife how to play. I've got a speed duel set for her next step as well.

[@sixonethreee]

I bought this and loved it. I am a MTG player, and all my friends are too. I have no real IRL Yugioh experience, but played a bit back in the day, and I currently play MasterDuel. I played a few games with my MTG friends (who also have childhood memories of Yugioh) and honestly we had a ton of fun. We were fully aware that we were playing powered-down boomer Yugioh, but were still having fun, but honestly I was grateful just to be playing a game with official Yugioh cards in my hands. I even got my gf to play a game with me, it was amazing.

[@stanimirdimitrow6449]

My 2 cents on the matter is that they could have made a lets say more casual stardust vs utopia deck if they wanted to keep it synchro vs xyz. Keep it at a lower power level but still have a bit more nuance that "summon yellow card go battle", maybe teach about the importance of a synergistic deck and how running a certain number of copies of a card help consistency and such. Still I might buy it too see how my friends handle this super simple version of yugioh.

[@multiweapon]

I recently tried to teach my kid cousins how to play Yugioh using speed duel products and they were overwhelmed with the amount of reading and rule comprehension with GX era cards. I think this product would have been a very good introduction to the game for them. Granted there's still a lot of reading, but it's slow enough for newcomers to learn the game.

[@garrettsmith4034]

Speed duels is bar none the best Yu-Gi-Oh format.

[@calumbishop7082]

I get the feeling that Konami are in denial over the state of the game, they want to present this image that's presented by the original anime that you can have back and forth games where you can normal summon a normal monster turn 1, and not get wiped out immediately.

[@godsil11]

if Zeus doesn't drop in price, im probably grabbing this. Im relatively new but im not going to drop $15+ on a single(at least not yet), even if most of the rest of the set isn't particularly great.

[@yu-yiliu2633]

I would just use Master duel to introduce someone to the game. With all the short explanations about mechanics and its free to play

[@TheNewblade1]

I love when commenters tell on themselves. At no point did my decks ever look like this. My first tourney in 03 when I was like 8 was all 1800 beaters.

[@woosnsnoop]

Ahh yes those times were awesome

[@cryosword1904]

literally only worth it for zeus and handtrap reprint

[@gaaraofthefunk265]

Visas Starfrost

[@JacobHerrshey]

How to read a card and teaching them priorities is where I'd start. Conditions, costs, the differences between : and ;. Understanding those fundamentals makes understanding archetypal gameplay and responses go smoother imo. I'd say the Traptrix structure deck would make for a good starter option. You have XYZ, Link, mandatory effects, special summoning options on both turns, the best hand trap in the game and most importantly some degree of competitive competency so if you showed up to a locals or played your friends your deck could still be a neusance

[@awesumsauce24]

I picked up a budget swordsoul tenyi deck for the exact reason of letting new or returning players borrow it. I just teach them how to do the simple ns moye synchro into 8 and 10 combo and then just let them figure things out. I feel like the most important thing is just to teach them a simple combo so they get a feel for the game plan of the deck and then just have them learn how to do even more with the other cards in the deck

[@ninjaboyjames]

This set looks like it is made for kids, which makes sense since the ygo player base is mainly older than 18. I would consider it for teaching a kid 6 - 12 but anyone older I would just show them master duel and teach through that.

[@jayduel7897]

In MY opinion, the two decks should've been two new archetypes and act as a double structure deck, with a simple but coherent strategy for both. Maybe a otk vs control deck,you could swap with the other person to get the other side. Players who already are familiar, the regulars would buy it for the new cards too which can be reprinted in like the 2024 tins and battles of legend,eventually being imported to the ocg. And the new players have a deck that is easy to use that they can bring to locals to at least have a chance at winning some rounds instead of being blown out the water.

[@rangeless]

Yeah could've been easily blue eyes vs dark magician scripted Duel that uses all the summoning mechanics.

[@duyknguyen]

Best idea from all the comments, new cards for starter deck, sign me up!!

[@gothicfemboy428]

Eh comp decks and otk decks are boring

[@unamusedrowlett6303]

Theres a point to be made, not everyone is going to jump into Yugioh playing a complicated deck but at the same time, Invoked exists, Trap Eldlich with basic traps exists. I'm sure we as a community can easily point towards 1 deck to teach a specific mechanic better than this box.

[@Emac000]

I’ve always said new players have it worse returning players no what to expect a 10 or 11 year old learning everything in 2024 is overwhelming

[@prixswrld]

Should've been archetypes in there. Two simple linear ones like Utopia, Dinowresleter, Blue Eyes or Marincess.

[@AnotherWindaSimp]

I mean, it's not terrible for a new player, but it doesn't help that new player get an idea of what a normal modern game would like. I recently got a person to learn yugioh using my cyber dragon deck, he enjoyed using,and thought that itsn't a complicated deck to use

[@michaelh.1484]

Whether new or returning, I'll just say it as a returning player I'm a dumb gold fish swimming around here. Even playing on master duel with a gimmick kitchen top, budget salamangreat deck I would make from the soulburning volcano boosters. Like I'm ashamed to admit having to watch a tutorial vid on how to play the deck because I would end up tripping myself. But damn was it fun playing and getting that experience I had when playing frog monarchs years ago.

[@Skelemonyo]

I would teach someone with a goat deck. I think overall the game has to be fun. I think for the game to be fun, the deck needs to have a strategy and a win condition. Goat was one of the best formats in yugioh's history. It is also a lot simpler. I think a normal person could figure out how to play a goat deck fairly quickly, maybe not to the highest level, but I think they would at least understand how the game works. From there you can expand upon things, showing them more cards and new summoning mechanics, but they would have a decent foundation. Or you could just play Goat format with your friend. Honestly, I wish they just took the top 20 goat lists and sold 2 random goat decks in a box with a Zues, Eldlich, Starfrost, maybe a few other cards as random promos.

[@YukiHermoso]

I think it’s bad, but a step in the right direction.

[@warriorofgod2700]

I think teaching methods depends on who is wanting to learn. Someone may need the basics dumbed down so badly that these might be perfect for basic teaching. Others you can traverse the formats, starting in goat. Personally, I have several decks to teach players how to play. 2 basic goat format decks, several edison decks, as well as a couple random decks that fall in random formats. So far, my youngest nephew (14) is enjoying the edison format and has grasped the basics quite well.

[@therockdolphin]

To me this product reads as such: a new player is paying $20 (or 2 new players are paying $10 each) for a follow along duel, while older and more competitive players are paying $20 for a handful of useable cards. I have said before, and I'll continue to say, Bystial Blue-Eyes vs. Runic Dark Magician would have been a better choice. For one, nostalgia bait, for 2, this would allow for more things being taught (not only with the obvious what is a fusion monster and link monster, but also what is a feild spell as I didn't see one in either list) and 3, if you buy 2 more of these you can have 2 competent startagies that would still have room for improvement. As far as continuous and equip type of cards you would use some better generic cards such as Mage Power or even Snatch Steal and similar cards for the other types. Neither deck would be given everything, Runic would only have maybe 3 maybe 4 spells and one of their extra beck monsters, and add in a polly type card to show how fusions should be summoned first and the bystials wouldn't have Lubelion but maybe a very small Dragon Link engine. I would keep the cards like D.D. Crow, M.S.T., Book of Moon, and a few others (including some not so good cards) as filler for the players to get used to in the early parts of the scripted duel and slowely work to more complicated combos and effects. I also want to say I don't believe Runic to be the best possible combo with DM as it is a bit more complicated than even the Bystials imo, but I couldn't think of any other psudo fusion deck that would work well with DM.

[@ProfessionalYouTubeWatcher]

What deck are you playing, bro? "2player starter deck player x" And i hope that comic has a scene where the 2 players spend 30 minutes googling a specific question that changes the outcome of the game depending on the answer

[@bryanroufosse3016]

Calie, you need to take one of the decks to locals! It would make a hilarious video 😂

[@wyspreegamings6380]

Definitely learn better from the Traptrix structure deck than these.

[@davidharrison4632]

hey everyone, been a long time follower of the channel and its cool to see these discussion videos and reading the comments. Now last year, I started up my own TCG Café at the library I work at which has been slow but we're getting there with it. In the sessions I sit down and show kids and sometimes adults different card games (YGO, Lorcana, Pokémon the main 3 I collect and play the most of, though will be introducing other's too) During my sessions I created two all common decks (Kaiba & Yugi) for the low cost reasons. Personally I think to get kids learning the game is to have them play Duellist Kingdom rules then after a couple of duels progress them further into a set like the speed duels. and to be honest this isn't a bad idea/product which I may have to pick up to have for the ultras. However everything as two sides and personally I believe Konami missed a trick by not following in the footsteps of the the Pokémon TCG by producing something like a My first Battle type of set. overall good in theory but bad in reality. so I may give this a 3 out of 5 stars not bad but not quiet the foundations needed at a beginner level imo. take care and that's game ;)

[@Efgand0894]

It looks like a playground pile deck

[@someguylivingonearth1727]

They should have put decks like branded and swordsoul into this box alongside a combo sheet and a guide on how to play the game. That way new players could get a taste of the meta while also learning the game.

[@Cbsaiyan]

Idgaf getting this my wife and baby momma gonna be playing with me lol just moved so I need someone else to play with me 😭

[@WretchedPlebe]

100% this is good for beginning players. I started last April with dark world. never played the game. I had never felt more stupid in my life. this seems like an easy break for people getting into the game. great video.

[@kingkhi20]

It’s wild the got Zeus vs Prime heart as a starter set.

[@yukureimu8403]

The next 2-Player Starter Set will be Fusion and Ritual. Finally Link and Pendulum.

[@garrettsmith4034]

It shoud include one legacy archtype for player 2 and a deck for player one that does nothing but stop player two from playing any cards so its an actual representation of modern day yugioh.

[@yugiohpromasters6445]

If I was teacher to how yugioh teacher gost format first before teacher advanced format

[@WillyWoogy]

Pretty sure this is Konami having a laugh knowing players will buy literally anything they shovel out.

[@cadasshada9732]

This looks like a deck that they just took a hand full of cards and threw them and checked what stuck to a wall

[@ASAINATL]

Zombie Madness structure from 2005 could curb stomp these decks(disregarding the zeus) 💀, youd probably learn more about actually playing the game with it too.

[@HIMMBelljuvo]

I'm buying this just for the Zeus and Coral Dragon

[@Emac000]

Magikey it’s cheap and it has all the mechanics except pendulum so then I pick up dinomist to teach pendulum and that’s it maybe 20.00 total to teach new player the real game especially the importance of indirect support and of archetype mechanics bc going forward seeing new cards and knowing what strategies will work well with it or not and what would be a godlike or bad matchup is important

[@harryprice7659]

Honestly I think the best way to teach the game to a new player is to introduce them to an emulator and show them some cool decks they might enjoy playing but are simple at the same time like time thieves for instance and mentor them 1v1 on said emulator like dueling nexus. It died after we stopped getting new players willing to learn but me and some friends of mine have an academy on Facebook where players take an entrance exam vs a mod or admin playing a strong rogue to meta tier deck and once sorted we teach them based on what they know. If you get destroyed you go to slifer because you’re dueling at a beginner level, ra if you’re dueling at an intermediate level, and obelisk if you’re pretty good. Each of those dorms have a set list of decks you can use that are at a reasonable power level for said dorm and there’s a dueling exam you can take once per month to see how far you’ve come with help from your mentor and if you can move up

[@peterzelaya9948]

Tribute summon (monarchs/eldlich) vs ritual (nekroz/cyber angel)? A two player set that focuses on a certain strategy for each player. Tribute, fusion, synchro, xyz, pendum, link

[@radiatedtree]

Monarch, phantasm spiral, true draco.... these are decks i'd recommend to new players.

[@phenexgaming6094]

Is 20€ a good price fore dubbel A

[@Imagine8849]

Honestly they could of used black wing mostly the older one while you probably won't be winning to much it at least allows them to learn in a way that teaches a combos with out taking so many steps. Plus if the plan Is to teach you how to play shouldn't it also be teaching you how a deck should look like. So instead of mashing multiple concepts just print extra starter sets that teaching you each one instead of shoving vanilla tribute Monster into a synchro deck make a tribute focus deck it could of been tribute/fusion synchro/xyz pendulum/fusion And not synchro brick/xyz brick

[@hiddenrapture6672]

I think it would have been better to have a 2 starter deck using @ignister because it can do all summons, even in one turn, and then maybe odd-eyes because it can also do all summons but also uses pendulums to add that for learning as well. Or they could have done like VW, for xyz and synchro, and then used Relinquished for ritual, fusion and link with Poissonniere de Nouvelle as a pendulum to search relinquish and show off the mechanic. I am thinking about picking this up just to teach the basics to my hubby but now that I thought about it, I may just make 2 fairly basic decks with cards that I have Like Relinquished and maybe harpies or maybe PUNK (can't think of the decks that I can make that mesh well to show off XYZ and Synchro together. But maybe having different decks that specialize in each mechanic may be better for showing off the strengths and weaknesses of each summoning mechanic.

[@colemikel8976]

Woulda been a perfect opportunity to buy 2 themed decks out not these 2 mystery box pack mix decks.

[@robertflintoft5614]

You spend £20 then you have to go and buy something else before you get to play with someone even casually. It's not great. Speed duel boxes already kinda do this just without the scripted duel. Surely they could have given two full strategies and given you the script for a duel between them.

[@GuardOfEden2023]

ill be getting it just for the zuse

[@regalseagullGA]

I almost bought this but I know my husband won't play with me. may still grab this later on. Idk yet.

[@chaosbug7]

I like the idea of Konami making a scripted duel with 2 starter decks to teach the basics of the game. The problem here is that there’s way too many card choices that are heavily outdated & there’s little synergy with the 2 decks of choice. You don’t need half a dozen vanilla monsters to teach how basic stats, levels, and tributes work, and heaven help you if you take these schoolyard pile decks to any opponent and expect to win against any semi-competent deck, let alone one that is built with tournament play in mind. I firmly believe a better way to have done this product is to pick 2 archetypes that aren’t super complicated that lean on a mechanic or 2 and teach most of them that way, while also giving players a starting point if they wish to build off of these starter boxes. The one issue I’ve seen pointed out, is that if you are doing a scripted duel; using cards with search effects or anything that touches the deck & forces you to shuffle ruin the scripted nature of teaching because it adds variance. That is a legit concern if you are using a tutorial duel to teach. Overall, while definitely not the best execution, I will say that something like this is a step in the right direction. I do understand it’s difficult to make a product like this because you need to chose cards that are simple enough to teach basic effects without intimidating a new player with a miniature novel just to explain how a spell card can do 3 things with a single activation or how a monster has 2 effects that takes a paragraph to comprehend.

[@dudono1744]

Fixing the starting hand can be enough.

[@Nooblitz_74]

This is worth 5 to 10 bucks but not 20.

[@cladiosanchez6865]

I "jokingly" want to get this for my Girlfriend and make her play it with me

[@abc4769277]

Konami should just restructure their " structure deck(s)". Give us the equivalent of what 3 9.99$ decks would give us in one package for 29.99$ . Include some modern staples and a QR code that'll take you to a KZbin video to teach a new player how to use their new deck ( pitch on upcoming products towards the end of video ) . Get a well known yugituber to bring some "spice" to the video so it's not monotone😂. Include the same Manuel we always get with new structure deck product . Now a new player can get something with synergy that's somewhat competitive and now knows that there's a KZbin community where a new player can pick up valuable info.

[@Nokashiniko]

I’ll make new players first play duel links so they know the main thing (that’s how I learned) and the other just buying structure decks

[@jojomations2596]

who let Konami cook

[@jayduel7897]

The oven is on but the pan is empty unfortunately

[@j-zonol]

Just subscribed, brother. Hope it helps. Been watching you for a while. Completely forgot to subscribe because i get so into your content i forgot everytime lmao.

[@frailscarecrow2988]

I would teach a new yugioh player by look back at an older format that I know like the back of my hand and slowly implement the newer techniques/extra deck monsters

[@VorjuMeidear]

They could have created 50% of both decks from scratch to sell more new cards to appeal to old players, but with this?! 1/8 are all vanilla you will never play again. Most of the other cards were stables 20 years ago, but are barely viable today. Best thing about this hole box is a "cheap" Zeus. I started bringing my little brother into master duel using dragon maids because I thought it was the easiest for beginner these days. And even that was "a wall of text" to him he was barely reading. Shame. But that's a base problem with Yu-Gi-Oh. Instead of using single tags like spirit, toon, dragonmaid and having all of those tags explained in the rule book, they print the f* rulebook on each card, making it more confusing to players. But after 25 years, they won't start reprinting everything in this style. But they could do it going forward. Again for these sets, if you need Zeus and are missing stables like DD crow, sure you could by it. Or you could simply by the singles. But last I checked Zeus was still around 15 bugs, same as I would pay for the decks, so I will most likely buy them and see if I can profit at least somewhat of it.

[@casketbase7750]

Magic the Gathering had something like this in the 90s. Scripted duel formatting and everything. However, Yugioh isn't Magic. Not sure if this translates well. Here's hoping it does.

[@frig7014]

curious cause I never saw or used that product, but did it accomplish its goal of teaching a new player somewhat well? Assuming its a more or less 1:1 comparison to this.

[@Liliana_the_ghost_cat]

​@@frig7014magic is a much slower and mechanicaly simpler game so it translates to a scripted duel a lot easier than Yu-Gi-Oh

[@aaronlawrence4218]

Konami took cards they have left laying around and threw it together

[@jelaknows0319]

this product is fine for $5. but for $20? hell no🤣😂😅

[@chimeratcg07]

Great idea, terrible execution. Konami didn't bring their A game like they did with Starter Deck Link Strike.

[@Liliana_the_ghost_cat]

I disagree. It was doomed from the get go. There's no way any experience that resembles modern yugioh can be possibly reflected in a single scripted duel while still being at all comprehensible for a new player. (Especialy when you can't even use any search effects in the tutorial since shuffling the deck would ruin the script).

[@dudono1744]

​@@Liliana_the_ghost_catYou can still fix the starting hand, which can be enough.

[@Liliana_the_ghost_cat]

@@dudono1744 is it? Is it enough to teach how to play all of yugioh? I don't think so. That takes time. One scripted duel is not enough. The only way I can see this being possible is if they do many small half-scripted duels (as in scripted duels whose script ends early so players are free to do whatever afterwards) all of which introduce different concepts. Yugioh can only be truly learned in the current day if you have a friend that already likes the game or have the patience of a saint

[@dudono1744]

@@Liliana_the_ghost_cat You don't need to teach all, just need to teach the basics and then the community can help with the stuff that wasn't covered.

[@alithunder144]

for new players it would be easier to learn and aleast know how to synchro or xyz summon but there is a problem, yes new players should learn slowly but this two decks are too slow for modern yugioh especially xyz deck its way slower then a synchro deck..synchro deck has aleast two card combo to get a synchro in first turn if you even get visas and mannadium card

[@impetusk_supreme]

I really hate this. First yugitubers said YGO is hard to play and newcomers will be frustrated to learn it. Then when Konami created this 2 player starter decks for complete newcomer that might be interested to this game; you guys start bashing it. Give it a break homie. Every product are intended to a certain group. Marketing 101.

[@gaaraofthefunk265]

They could have at least attempted to make the decks a cohesive strategy.

[@Dinsho_]

some of the suggestions here in the comments are so bad

[@dillonmoto7278]

I had my wife and sister subscribe haha I'm trying for you.

[@Malister23]

I think the idea was nice but the execution was terrible, just buy 2 fire kings structure decks or if you want even more simple deck buy 2 traptrix structure decks. This starter set will not teach you how to play anywhere other than your kitchen table Also about new players having questions, isn't that a good think? Doesn't one person having a question mean that they are interested about the topic?

[@nathanmoorthy]

Little to no handtraps?😂 No monstereffect/specialsummon negate? Learn how to lose in YuGiOh 😂

[@Liliana_the_ghost_cat]

Their only one is D.D Crow lol. Which is such a minor handtrap that it's even legal in Speed Duel

[@frailscarecrow2988]

Glad I bought Zeus a few weeks ago cause I ain’t buying this, only singles that are halo 😢

[@Cardlimits]

too many "pro" players trash talking a set not designed for competitive play. it's literally a physical teaching tool that goes over the most basic to more complex rules. The players mocking this product don't realize it's not designed for them. It's literally a product to help with inclusion which as whole, the yugioh community is trash at doing such. Every argument I've heard ignores everything regarding this product, and it will probably continue as such due to basic ability to read a product description.

[@paleasaghost-5799]

True. The community has no comradery. A bloody newbie doesnt know how amy mechanics work. If you get laughted at for starting a game, you will leave soon.

[@RinaShinomiyaVal]

Its a bad teaching tool. Its as if Konami didnt learn with the blunder with Master Duels awful release tutorial and printed out something like that with real cards. Who the hell is using Vanilla Beatsticks in 2024?

[@Cardlimits]

@@RinaShinomiyaVal so you don't comprehend who this for? Epic failure to read

[@LunaticKD1991]

A teaching tool that doesn't accurately teach you how the actual game is played is worthless. No beginner is going to learn how to play Yugioh from this set and it will instead turn them away from the game because they're going to learn that they got scammed out of $20 by Konami.

[@Cardlimits]

@@LunaticKD1991 so you don't understand the product. It actually does teach you through the scripted duel, but I see you are outrageously failing to comprehend that

[@LunaticKD1991]

The nonsense about not wanting to overload new players with information is nonsense. When you learn Yugioh you're going to be flooded with information. That's how you're going to learn. You don't learn by getting sold a couple of decks of seemingly random cards that don't have synergy or a strategy to them and that don't even teach all of the mechanics in Yugioh. You're just going to ensure that potential new players decide to never buy another Yugioh product again because they're going to feel like they got screwed which is what this scam of a starter set is. Another way for Konami to screw people out of money. If you're going to teach someone new Yugioh then teach them what Yugioh currently is which is a mess and it's by Konami's own lack of care to actually balance the game to instead chase money that you have a confusing card game that makes it difficult to get beginners into and drives off current players. You have to teach them about how the game is designed now to lock the opponent out of the game before they can lock you out of the game because that's all it really is anymore. There's no longer a back and forth aka a duel like this starter set is designed to fool beginners into believing. 🤦 If you're going to teach someone new the only way they're going to learn is if you teach them what the game is actually like and this starter set is nowhere close to an accurate representation of that nor does it even teach all of the mechanics of the game which means it's a bad set and a waste of money that's just going to have the opposite effect of the supposed intention of getting newer players into the game.

[@novaglacial9779]

If you want to learn yugioh or a friend wants to get into the game just buy 3 copies of a structure deck that you like visually, you are going to get a better deck and have to spends less upgrading it that buying this abomination.

[@zuniversegaming3431]

These decks are bad, why does Konami not know how to teach people who to play the game NOW competitively

[@gubigubigubigubi]

If I was teaching a player I would absolutely not buy this product. If I wanted to learn this game I would absolutely not buy this product. Assuming they already were sure they wanted to get into the game and play it. I would just have them pick an archetype that they want to play and teach them how to play it. I've done this before multiple multiple times and it works every single time. Show me what you are interested in and I will teach you how to use it. Is giving a new player a 64 page book and telling them to play a scripted duel really going to help them learn anything? I feel after 1 duel they wont remember 90% of the shit that happened during the duel and now they have to figure the order the decks were in to go through it again. Good concept terrible execution.

[@kirika119]

I saw the deck list and I threw up a little…

[@codywellsbigdog5908]

Another Reprinted Zeus y that is going to make mine a $5 I am very pissed off about this worst idea

[@DG_Raizen]

Investors losing money is well worth increasing access to the game.

[@codywellsbigdog5908]

@@DG_Raizen and super rares would be a better option because I didn't want my ultra being $5 bucks if I am lucky also maybe they should do a better job

[@gtafan110010]

Honestly. I don't think anyone will buy the 2 player starter set and expect to be able to compete at a locals. It's literally in the name 'starter' set. To me, that argument is just weak. What I do think, is the pamphlet MUST emphasize that the decks aren't optimal. That the cards from both can be combined into 1 better deck. And that people can buy boosters and structures from there. Yes, your friends will smash you if they play seriously. But then who uses a serious deck against a weak opponent. Probably you'd both play the starter set decks as intended. And from there, hopefully, the friend tells you about ways to improve the deck. There is no way a starter set can prepare a player for every situation. But what I do think is nice, is that this is probably just starter set 1 out of a line. Maybe the next line will be fusion and link. In a weird way, because these decks are so random and therefore don't have a lot of interaction, the decks are blessed. Because it finally allows people to really start with the basics of yugioh. From there they can decide whether they like the game or not. I remember trying to explain even a modern blue eyes deck to a friend with all of its interactions. It was hell.

[@dudono1744]

Assuming they like the game, what they just saw isn't even close to what they'll see when playing for real.

[@gtafan110010]

@@dudono1744That's fine, because at least a deck with limited interaction will allow them to understand the basics. Friggen blue eyes and dark magician are some of the most basic bitch decks currently. And guess what, a new player finds it friggen confusing how you can special summon like 3-7 times in a single turn. And you can only do that when you know the card routes. People thinking that new people should immediately start with 'real' yu-gi-oh and just sink or swim are naive. It's better if they first get a shit deck that maybe summons 2-3 times. Where you may even still tribute summon. Understand the fundamental rules of ygo, and then they can decide to go deeper yes or no

[@dudono1744]

@@gtafan110010 I agree that starting with "real" yugioh is a bad idea, but this product is on the other end of the spectrum. Note that decks that can summon 5-7 tiles if you know the routes can usually summon 2-3 times if you don't know the routes.

[@gtafan110010]

@@dudono1744You're sort of right, but also not really? For example; i would not have my friends start with salamangreat, even though their gimmick is link summoning with the same monster. But that's because Gazelle requires you to understand basic ass ygo first. The same goes for let's say, branded. Go the wrong fusion route and you end up on a brick. Plus it's a LOT of explaining about which monsters are and aren't okay to fuse and why. Not to mention that you're essentially teaching them wrong ygo. Fusing from deck is the exception not the rule. All of this to say; a more basic deck that first let's people understand a normal summon, tribute summon, basic special summon and such, is probably better. We can even just look at it historically. From a basic ygo pov, perhaps the shaddoll structure is a great choice. Normal summons, flips, standard fusions and a very clear condition for when you can fuse from the deck. It honestly sounds kinda perfect. But that product proved much more catered toward experienced players. The barrier to entry of ygo is pretty high because many decks now operate in ways that are exceptions to the basics, hence why they are strong. I considered Monarch's, too. But that deck quickly breaks how often you can tribute and normal summon. All of that together kinda put me in the spot where; well, maybe a sort-of-random pile deck is a good idea. Because it has fewer options, you're forced to first follow the regular rules of YGO. And since they either only synchro, or only XYZ, you can, hopefully, with a friend, quickly learn that there's more depth to both summon mechanics

[@dudono1744]

@@gtafan110010 Blackwings is pretty normal outside of Simoon giving you an extra normal summon and Vayu doing synchros with the grave, but you don't have to use them turn 1. For Xyz, I assume Lyrilusc is pretty normal. If you want to show the pile deck idea, maybe do something like Plant Synchro (if that's still a thing) vs Trains. But imo the best is having 1 archetype centric deck and 1 pile deck to show both big options when building a deck, in that case I would pick Blackwings and Trains.

[@dragonlord7455]

I'll say great idea, but horrible execution. Just look at how bad these deck are. Its like they got a 4yr. old to build these deck.

[@zuniversegaming3431]

This product is going to fail. Yes, it would work to teach someone the basics, but you will only learn a little and not get as far in the present era of Yugioh. You would need to learn the game as it is now, competitive or not; it is just a whole different beast, from cards like "Soldier of Stone" to "Zeus." There is a massive gap in how the game is just played from how other old DM Series to Hand Trap meta, Naw, this product isn't cutting it. You would have to learn the game as it is NOW instead of the 90s era of Yugioh.

[@Liliana_the_ghost_cat]

The main issue is that the idea of unshufflable decks for scripted tutorial duels is inherently bad as a teaching tool for modern yugioh because one of the most important mechanics in modern yugioh is searching... which shuffles your deck... which you can't do because the script would fall off... plus. If a scripted duel lasts more than 5 turns, it's already bad because it sets a fundamentaly false expectation of how a duel is like. But if it's too short... how the heck can you teach a game as complex as yugioh in only 4 turns? Modern yugioh is just unlearnable by a product like this. They should probably make a yugioh anime that is built as a teaching tool. Where each episode has a duel that introduces more and more new concepts. Already getting to realistic 3 turn duels with 10 minute long turn 1 combos by like... the middle of the series and only going up and up from there. Teaching people to expect real duels to be fast insane Marvel Vs Capcom combo fests with handtraps and board breakers playing huge factors in the result of a match... kinda like that one OCG manga they made y'know? That's litteraly the only way I can ever see it being even possible to teach begginners how to play

[@dudono1744]

You can actually have searches, fixing the starting hand to teach basics is likely doable. Also put clearly in the book that a real game goes way faster. Ofc, start with a Synchro/Xyz summon + using a spell and setting a trap turn 1.

[@gambitgambles]

ye pendulums belong in the trash

[@RinaShinomiyaVal]

Nah. Majespecters in PHNI will prove otherwise.