"Unschooling" on TikTok

[@thechadx2]

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[@cartooncat69]

no

[@Audsthegirly]

No

[@Mayseyy]

bet

[@alliecole827]

all hail chad chad 🙇🏼‍♀️

[@gwillypdawg]

Your hair looks incredible

[@aliceb.1481]

"you wanna pick the lowest price." "You have not taught me numbers mom."

[@raineatscheese]

Underrated comment lmaoo

[@AlexandrineFortin]

She forgot the price vs quantity… which could have been a good way to teach math

[@gikigill788]

Chocolate rations will be increased from 25g to 20g

[@Kingofthenet2]

😂😂😂😂

[@FrenkTheJoy]

That's you get people thinking 1/4 is more than 1/3.

[@not_cai11]

LMAOOOO "mamaa?" "shhh" like hold on sweetie mommy has to film a tiktok

[@LJCG777]

"Hold on sweaty, momy's cyberbullying"

[@not_cai11]

@@LJCG777 LMAO

[@greysunshinexx]

its kinda funny but mostly it's sad :( if that's the kind of thing she's willing to show on camera... idk

[@the_goddess_1859]

Like honestly, isn't there a pause and cut feature? She really couldn't wait and edit it?

[@lavalampluvr]

@@greysunshinexxthats my exact fear about all of this man :,| if this is what they're willing to show to the entire world. i can't even imagine what it's like behind doors.

[@cyrus2395]

"The kid decides what they want to learn" hey y'know I literally never would have thought to ask what an atom was before a teacher taught me what atoms were lol

[@azearaazymoto461]

Theoretically, if a kid asks 'what is this made of' you could go from the ingredients/materials all the way down to atoms and molecules.

[@conductoranon2805]

@@azearaazymoto461 True, but I doubt the parents would even think to go that far, nor would they want to.

[@cyrus2395]

​@@azearaazymoto461 do you think thats going to happen Besides, my point was more that you're going to really struggle to ask questions about a premise that you don't know exists and you have no foundation for understanding it

[@Chickenpasta3]

Literally

[@TerpleDerp2600]

It really depends on what you’re interested in. Some information can be given in response to questions, and other information given voluntarily. When someone, at any age, finds something they’re passionate about, the things they will go much deeper into the topic than a school ever would. At the end of the day, knowing things are made out of atoms is something most people will never use in their lives, outside of school. The standard of “what kids should know” is not an accurate reflection of what is actually beneficial for kids to thrive, both in childhood and adulthood.

[@himrsun]

I’m a former un-schooleder and it’s pretty much ruined my chance of ever getting into college and fulfilling my dreams. I’ve never even been able to grasp simple maths, and I struggle with spelling. I’ve spent my whole life feeling stupid and inferior to everyone and it’s left me feeling completely inadequate. The fact that these parents can’t see how much they’re ruining their children’s future is absolutely insane. This is abuse.

[@Blackfoot-ya]

How long did it take you to write this comment

[@himrsun]

@@Blackfoot-ya about a few minutes, why?

[@bishielurfer]

I do want you to know it's never too late to pursue an education if that's something you want. I was what people would generally consider academically gifted, but I also suffered a lot of mental and physical health issues in my final years of high school. I ended up not being able to keep up with college and had to drop out. I went back in my mid 20s and got my associates from a community college. I'm still working on getting my bachelors. I'm past what people would consider a normal age to be doing these things, but my loved ones support me and it's important to me, so who really cares if I'm on a different timeline than others? Also know that intelligence and education are not the same thing. Not having received a proper education doesn't make you stupid, and it certainly doesn't make you inferior. You are valid and just as deserving of happiness and success as anyone else.

[@Blueberrybomb1234]

⁠@@Blackfoot-yapeople can always self teach, or take classes, btw I love your profile name.

[@Blackfoot-ya]

@@Blueberrybomb1234 thanks 😼😼

[@do_ll_fa_ce]

Chad with long hair is more Chad than even the chadiest of chads can chad

[@wrenmassey6876]

Kids don't know what they don't know and if you want "unschooling" to work you need to put information and learning opportunities in front of them. You can make learning fun and play into their interests but that is not what is going on in any of these stories

[@brookswift]

the chadliest chad

[@do_ll_fa_ce]

@@wrenmassey6876 what I wasn't even talking about the subject of the video? 😵‍💫

[@luisaspilki7]

​@@do_ll_fa_ce Maybe they accidentally clicked on the comment before posting

[@wrenmassey6876]

@C.anne116 idk what happened. I think my phone glitches out bc I actually put this reply under another comment entirely

[@annawesometheflameingpikac3688]

She's not even explaining Greek Mythology right, Kronos swallowed all of his children not just his sons

[@MaddyRose1998]

Literally what I was sitting here thinking 😂

[@annawesometheflameingpikac3688]

Plus that story about Kronos is not why we say "chronological" it's just because he's the titan of time, pretty much every other story about him makes that clearer

[@Spike2276]

She also got it wrong on why Kronos eats his children. He wasn't afraid of losing his "kingdom", he had killed his own father and feared that one day one of his children might do the same.

[@Sandmann629]

@@Spike2276 i don't think you get to stay in charge after you're dead, typically

[@Spike2276]

@@Sandmann629 Yes, but that's not the point of the myth. It's not Kronos' desire to remain as the leader among the titans which leads him to eat his children, to say otherwise is to lose all meaning in the telling of the story. That would be like saying that Aragorn fights in Lord of the Rings because he wants to be king of Gondor.

[@EvilSourGummyWorms]

Every day my son reads clock hands wrong, I take a bite out of him because that's just the nature of chronological time

[@RenopunkJo]

💀💀💀

[@Kiko_animations]

Does he taste good though? And do you deep fry him or eat him raw? Any seasoning involved?

[@naonao9528]

Just an FYI this could be a sign of dyslexia. If it's not just a joke you may want to look into it a bit.

[@emmersondouglass3044]

This is such an underrated joke

[@rgs8970]

it's a cog eat cog world 😢

[@JaJDoo]

13:00 was incredibly depressing, socializing with your peers is fundamentally different from socializing with your parents and lacking this skill is going to haunt this child

[@dustyragdollz]

@@JaJDoo THIS

[@tranpaul4550]

Agree, the child only knows how to interact with exactly 2 people, not with billions of people out there. Feel like, she wants her children to solely depends on her in every single subject (very cult like)

[@anak1n294]

Well, at least she didn't say "He/she can use TikTok or something like that to socialize"

[@OXMStudios]

Responding to a child's curiosity is....THAT'S JUST PARENTING. you're supposed to do that anyways 😂😂😂

[@SpawnRevenge92]

They're literally boasting about doing the bare minimum.

[@sena167]

@@SpawnRevenge92 they are not doing the minimum

[@viktuuri]

the only way i think this might work is everytime the child asks something, you spend the whole day or even a whole week teaching the related subjects. eg. don't just reply "12" when your child asked what's 7+5... teach them the basics of addition, even subtraction after that!!

[@fuurinax0]

@@sena167 yes they are? responding to your child is the bare minimum

[@mash2217]

@@fuurinax0 I think that person means that this is even below the minimum. You're supposed to do a lot more than just respond lol

[@r-o-s-e-ee]

my best friend was 'unschooled' from 7th grade onward, and she hated it so much that during weekends we would hang out and she would BEG me to her show her my homework, tell her what we were learning during class, she would come with me to after school study sessions (which her parents tried to ban her from doing??? my mom literally had to lie about where we were going lmfao). it was all super sad, and she was so, so miserable. all she wanted to do was just get a proper education and her parents were taking that right away from her. 'unschooling' was such a horrible experience for her and i've heard it was for so many others as well. EDIT: because people were asking, my friend is so much happier now! she emancipated herself from her parents when she was 17, now 2 years later we go to university together, and shes studying to become an english teacher! for anyone that has experienced/is experiencing 'unschooling' or unethical homeschooling, my heart goes out to you. its such a horrible experience, and I know that my friend felt so hopeless while being 'unschooled'. hopefully this helped at least someone haha

[@goldensloth7]

aw man. that is awful.

[@crawlspacedweller]

That sounds horrible! I crave the school environment and knowledge so much that I write literal essays during summer break lol. Do you know if shes able to get an education now or is she still stuck?

[@Elizabean1984]

She was lucky, I had no friends that weren't online and I only told people the situation when I was 13 and refused to take any help that was offered because it was "weak".

[@Zaftique]

Which is, ironically, against the very ethos they were touting - the kid actively wanted to go to school, so they should have respected that 😅

[@teetheatersanonymous]

@@ZaftiqueExactly, they didn’t actually care about what she wanted to do, they just wanted to control her :(

[@0l1v3r_13_]

I can’t believe the last mom basically admitted that she just wants complete control over what her child sees 💀 you’re not supposed to say the quiet part out loud Amanda

[@icedgarlic]

it's insane cause do they fully believe that they're going to be 100% right about everything??? Like bro 😭😭😭😭

[@Neveko]

They're really dumb so 🤷

[@BB-TheCandleFairy]

Not only that but the whole “they dont need to talk to anyone else, they only need ME”

[@harrisonwhaley7872]

@@icedgarlicyes they do sadly do

[@rabpanz6145]

If they're not tiny clones of me, I do not want them.

[@RealDioPlushie]

ive been "unschooled" for almost 2 years and it is so depressing. neither of my parents help me either so its just googling for worksheets i can try to do everyday since in less than a year i have big tests to take. dont ever unschool your kids its the worst decision you could make.

[@KronosChaosLord-t5x]

Hey, I don't know what country you're in so I don't know how useful this is, but have you tried the website Seneca? It basically has tests based on topics that would be used in real school. I used it to help revise but maybe it can help you at least figure out some topics. I know it has English , maths , science and history.

[@bishielurfer]

If you have access to it, check your local library or community center to see if they have tutoring sessions or anything similar. They may also have textbooks you can review or borrow. Also if you're not familiar with it, khan academy is a website that breaks down a lot of topics in easy to understand ways. I've relied on it a lot for math classes especially. There are also youtube channels like extra creditz and the various Scishow channels that cover various topics. I'm sorry you're in the situation you're in, but hopefully you can utilize some outside resources to help make things a little easier. Don't give up, you got this ❤

[@jacksonferguson6179]

Hey! If you wanted to, you could try to become legally emancipated from your parents. Understandable if you wouldn't want that, but I know some people who were "unschooled" won their emancipation petitions. If you want more info you can check some articles out online, there are some good ones by FindLaw. Wish you the best!

[@JonathonNarfhead]

Try doing Khan academy

[@gaiaiaiaiaia]

I'm unschooled and I love it. I think eh biggest difference between me and everyone else in this comment section is that I wanted it. desperately.

[@biomeberry]

The fact that these parents think that other parents with traditionally-schooled kids AREN'T ALSO taking them to the park, zoo, grocery store, teaching them how to cook and giving them chores says everything, I think.

[@jaden_skywalker]

So true. And school can compensate for a lack of that too. School playgrounds, school sports teams, school daytrips to the zoo, giving a child a weekly task to do (for example, at my school, we would wipe down desks after lunch and also we would empty out the recycling bin). Food class is also a thing in highschool, and most kids pack their own lunches. It obviously doesn't supplement the parents participating in their child(ren)'s lives, however those things don't supplement a proper education.

[@p1kkuma]

fr! these are all things the kids should learn outside of school…

[@Ieatcheesecrackers]

​@@jaden_skywalker yeah

[@circleoffinnishjerks4982]

This train of thought is just wild - it's another one of those real social issues that do face many families (no family time due to work-life balance issues, which are often systematic and not due to the individuals being selfish, all though that can be the case sometimes too. Some people just don't have the priorities to be a parent ig). But like, my parents - and most families I've ever known - had two working parents and still took time to travel, even if it was just relatively locally, with their kids to visit places and basically all of them, for the most part, support and encourage their kids' interests. It's a lot of work when the kids are young and at critical points or learning. Homeschooling itself would require the parent to be able to afford or be able to teach basic curriculum topics themselves, and there is a reason teaching is a job and many topics have their own specialized paths for them. Even some of the things people think are useless in everyday life usually serve some purpose, like sparking curiosity or advancing comprehension skills, work on memory or other deeper understanding of how the world works, even if it's not something they can apply in practice.

[@RaspBerryPies]

YES EXACTLY!! This was my biggest point and I feel like not many people point it out! They say these kids get cool real hands on experience and learn about important things. MF why can’t you do that and they ALSO go to school!? Sounds to me like they don’t want to parent their kids tbh

[@shaneguy5275]

Unschooling is a fitting name, considering it’s just home schooling but you take the the schooling out. So the kids are just home. Doing chores and learning nothing.

[@Banana34598]

Being the servants of the house while the parents spend all day filming themselves about how great of parents they are

[@danielatherton1631]

Children should be seen and not heard...or read...or kept safe or not used for financial gain.

[@michellechair]

actually insane shit tbh. i was home-schooled for 2nd and 3rd grade and ended up being two years ahead of my peers when i went back to mainstream schooling 😭😭 we had a mix of a proper curriculum with work out of books and hands-on learning. we went to a lot of group activities for other home-schooled kids and it was great for my neurodivergent baby brain to be outdoors more and surrounded by other weird kids like me as opposed to being shouted at by teachers and bullied by my classmates. my parents are also both very smart and i've always been a curious individual by nature so i would always be asking questions and reading like 5 books a week

[@t.n.1116]

I was homeschooled and met unschoolers. Most of the time they didn't even do chores. They grew up playing videogames and being on social media 100% of their days. They had emotional, mental, and behavioral issues. It is just an excuse for lazy mothers

[@t.n.1116]

​@@michellechair yep! I was in college level literature at 12 and learned pre-algebra, algebra 1&2, and some geometry all in one year, and I can read Latin. I'm so glad I was homeschooled K-12 😂

[@BlackComet95]

"You typically wanna make sure that you pick the lowest price" "Mother, I require knowledge about numbers and relations between them to make such assessments"

[@s0lastsummer7]

And they're just gonna think the lowest number is the correct one instead of learning to choose which one gives them the most value based on the amount of product 😮 yikes

[@shaneguy5275]

I love the idea of children having inner monologues narrated by intelligent 60 yr olds. “Mother, I am lacking in the proverbial academic “building blocks” to understand such a complex concept as price matching. I crave knowledge, mother”

[@biggestastiest]

yknow now im eternally grateful for my dad dragging me with him through the store to teach me about relative valur

[@EmyN]

@@s0lastsummer7And the quality of the product! It’s not always about the lowest price

[@maciejstachowski183]

@@shaneguy5275 Mother, may I have some oats.

[@spaghettibird5135]

14:45 Shes saying the quiet part out loud. Many homeschool people are doing this to have total control over all sources of information reaching their kids

[@jaytotheareokay]

The rates of political extremists in the homeschooling community are staggering. The damn libruhl gubbmint gunna make my kids LGBTQ.

[@cipher_takes_flightt]

I’m homeschooled, and my parents have openly admitted that’s why they do it. I’m also emotionally abused. Figures.

[@rebmit4176]

Hi, I was unschooled. I genuinely didn't expect to ever see a KZbinr I watch cover the subject, but it really makes me happy to see some light shed on it. I was in an unschooled setting until 9th grade when all my siblings were set to school as part of an agreement in a court case (very long story) I'm now in my senior year of Highschool and it's been a culture shock to say the least. As an unschooler, I never learned most math concepts. Most of what I did was read and then explain those stories back to my mom. Grocery shopping really was a school lesson sometimes as was playing outside (sometimes for hours because I wasn't allowed back in the house). Some days we would just go to the park and hang out. There was no structure, no plan, no way to explain any of this as credits when I finally did go to a real school. I was cut off from the world, no internet access, no relationships aside from my siblings and my parents. Unschooling isn't an alternative schooling method, it's abuse. I was just lucky enough to be pulled out of it before reaching adulthood. It's not a new thing either and it's not entirely a rare unicorn of a concept. Thank you very much for talking about this and for making me laugh along the way. I know you'll never see this comment, but I hope that by putting it into the universe, it'll reach you anyway. Edit: I feel a little cliche doing this, but Holy shit this comment blew up. I want to amend some things since reading some of the comments. I might not have stated this, but I do live in the U.S and in a state with very little laws around homeschooling. I also would like to clarify that I don't think homeschooling is wrong or abusive, I think unschooling in the way that I was is abusive. Homeschooling is a better option for some people and I hold no bitterness about that. Finally, I want to give a big thank you to everyone who is sending me well wishes. Anytime I got a new comment with one, it made my day. I'm doing better every day and I'm looking forward to the future. Life is short and hard and we only get one shot. We don't get to choose how or where we start, but we can make the most of it and put better things into the world. Thank you all

[@lovelysophxox]

This 100% sounds like abuse. I'm betting you had no idea what the terminology of "Unschooling" was until recently because you most likely spent most of your childhood thinking it was normal. This sounds so scary, and I'm glad you've escaped that situation. Hope all is going better for you.

[@rebmit4176]

@@lovelysophxox Yes, it was actually this video that made me really realize that unschooling is the word for my "education". I had always been told it was homeschooling and I just assumed that all homeschooling was like that. It wasn't until I actually went to high-school that I learned homeschooling wasn't the right word for it. So for a while I just referred to it as homeschooling but bad. This Chad Chad video was the first time I've heard of it as unschooling and watching the video I was like "oh, that's what I did" I knew other unschooled kids from a group meet-up thing my family did for like a year. But we were all under the impression this was just how homeschooling worked. I'm in a better situation now and on my way to graduating high-school this year. Hopefully more awareness and videos like this will stop parents from thinking this is a good form of education.

[@IAmTheSenate218]

​​@@rebmit4176this is so evil,i cant possibly fathom how anyone could look at this and be like "mmmhhhh yeah lets just not teach him math or anything he would need to be good in highschool"

[@coolbeans5911]

All the best with your senior year! Wishing you many learning opportunities ahead❤

[@inipin510]

Please someone safe these poor kids from that narcissistic moms. Even the word „unschool“ 🙄 someone desperately wants to be special here

[@alicethemad1613]

Refusing to educate your kids, not allowing any outside influences to ever interact with them, not allowing them to form friendships or social skills outside the home, and physically keeping them inside all day are how you set them up to be abused. This is like… abuser 101. Or cult 101. And given that she’s in an MLM, I think this lady might just want to be in a cult.

[@meowntown69]

it's not just "setting them up" for abuse. it IS the abuse.

[@alastorcorvus]

The first Mom is actually a survivor from a Christian sex cult. I guess old habits die hard.

[@OberynTheRedViper]

It's also how you breed a Christian Army, which people are literally trying to do. I'm ok with religion to a point, and have issues telling parents how to parent, especially being childless, but I feel for kids being brainwashed this way. My parents are far from perfect, but one of the things they did right was not to shelter me, answer hard questions I may have asked, and to teach me that I am not the only important person on the planet, and to look out for your fellow man.

[@nurulmidah8710]

The mother would be regretful when her children grown up. I

[@JustLoro]

​@meowntown69 its also setting them up for a life of abuse

[@Lottaria555]

They're trying so hard to justify their laziness and child neglect, it's scary

[@MarieReederPianist]

This. This exactly. I was properly homeschooled and it was insanely difficult and required a ton of organization and self discipline. If you’re having a great “all fun no work everything gets learned naturally” experience, you’re doing lots of things way wrong…. I loved being homeschooled. I did very well at university and did indeed have a great social life. Planning to do it with our son. But I’m well aware of how much is required of parents to make it successful and not just a weird “babysitting” experience

[@Lottaria555]

@@MarieReederPianist I'm so glad you had such a positive experience but as you said, it was still very hard work, which you and your parents can be really proud of. I'm from Germany, homeschooling isn't allowed here as our system is different but I would have loved that bcs the regular school system isn't nice on neurodivergent people like myself. But isn't it crazy that parents have the full autonomy on deciding what their kids are allowed to learn and what not? How are they going to be able to make a living for themselves once they're older without any form of education? That is just beyond me

[@baconaterlover5399]

Fr just say you’re too bothered to raise a child

[@Studio23Media]

These people need to be prosecuted for child neglect. Their children are going to be a burden on society, and are going to despise their parents later in life.

[@traceyjones2563]

They sure are lazy, this is just an excuse not to do anything. I didn't like the school curriculum and how my kids were treated but I want them to learn more than what the schools teaching that's my problem and I'm fixing it. This is disgusting

[@Notyouraveragenerd945]

5:40 Kronos isn't even a god, he's a titan smh.

[@moritzh6876]

😅

[@SparkLolz]

Fr

[@Oreo_AteYou]

Percy jackson came in handy for me here

[@piper_luvs]

Fr that actually made me mad 😭😭😭🙏🙌

[@supersmashseandx1991]

Lol idiot doesn't know how to classify deities

[@spicymargorita]

“unschooling” sounds like a nightmare for kids when they try to get into college

[@wrenmassey6876]

I've seen Facebook posts about 12 year olds being unable to read due to this unschooling foolishness and I feel so bad for any of these kids no matter what job they want in the future. It is such a handicap to not be able to read at an 8th grade level and do basic math as an adult

[@DarknessViper99]

If they even make it that far or even have the desire after having dumpster fires like that for parents.

[@SuzER08]

Bold of you to assume their parents would even let them consider going to college

[@SoffiCitrus]

Who needs college when you have being groomed into becoming a tiktok microcelebrity and taking over your parents' dropshipping business

[@lucass8119]

Reality: they will never be in college. They may not even be able to work as receptionists. You know how like 2-3% of the US population is illiterate? Yeah, these are those people. They're ruined, handicapped, for life. Once the time passes you can't learn that shit.

[@emit5586]

My mom took me out of school because of bullying, and worked SO hard to homeschool me. Seeing stuff like this pisses me off, knowing how many hours she poured into making sure I wouldn't fall behind my schooled peers.

[@dutt6222]

My experience was similar. I was homeschooled for a few years before going back to public school when I was doing better. My Mom worked so hard to make it good, do extra things like take longer trips and go outside to do with in the yard. It was great, and she had a really good curriculum and plan that she set out and followed to make sure that I was getting a full education.

[@sheridannagley7257]

The reason my mom homeschooled me was partly due to being bullied in a private preschool I once attended. I flat out hated that school. Delt with a literal clique and a teacher who hated my guts lol.

[@allisonmoon2536]

@@sheridannagley7257IN PRESCHOOL?! like toddlers?? holy shit that’s hardcore.

[@mimichxart]

@@sheridannagley7257 cliques at 4 years old is wild 😨 also I’m so sorry that happened to you

[@GoddoDoggo]

@@sheridannagley7257 I'm pretty sure there aren't "cliques" in preschool, that's just a group of annoying toddlers... the hateful teacher is the real issue there.

[@AlexLopez0506]

So unschooling is pretty much child neglect but with internet validation.

[@denofpigs2575]

With how these parents are doing it? Yeah. They're just neglecting their child and calling it unschooling for clout. At its core? No. Unschooling was coined by educator John Holt who took inspiration from Ivan Illich, a philosopher who coined the term deschooling as criticism of the concept of institutionalized education. These people have absolutely zero care or understanding of what they're doing, they're just doing it for attention because it's trendy. They're terrible people with or without unschooling who would have neglected their child anyway. Grifters.

[@leopereira4718]

Couldn’t have put it better. This just smells like a bunch of parents who don’t really want to parent

[@bigmike-]

Correct. Hot take... someone should call CPS on these ladies. Because this is not okay. In fact, this is *very* not okay.

[@makthamenace]

It’s all the negative stereotypes about homeschooling packed into the girl who bullied you in high school

[@iamnemoo]

spoiled americans have lost their minds lmao

[@chasewainscott8739]

Back in the early 1900’s, parents pulled their kids out of school because they needed the extra farm labor to not starve every winter. In 2024, parents pull their kids out of school as a social statement.

[@summer_vortex]

Yeah

[@yoycej9190]

Yeah that’s what I was thinking, it’s like their cosplaying the poor. Imagine being so privileged getting education so easily and you just throw that away to control your child. Children in other parts of the world would give anything for this opportunity.

[@chasewainscott8739]

@ I see it as worse tbh. They pull their kids out of school because they’re too anti-establishment to give a single shit about their kids’ futures. Long-lasting friendships? Valid credentials? Interpersonal communication skills? A Solid work ethic? Who needs that when you can just live purely for yourself and be developmentally behind for the rest of your life? But you better not do something I believe is immoral, like having privacy or demanding parental attention, you spoiled brat.

[@T4Tea4two]

There's a kind of unintentional poetry in that first unschooling mom teaching her son the story of Chronos, the story of a paranoid and anxious parent killing his kids out of fear that they will one day grow powerful and independent enough to no longer be under his control. If you put that in a script about Unschooling, everyone in the writer's room would roll their eyes.

[@madelyn2351]

Yoooooo

[@annikan42]

Oh you're so right

[@ImaginaryChannel]

I would even dare to say that the idea of literally taking their kids' lives when they'd ever rebel against how they're raised and trying to leave home, isn't off the table with these mothers. They probably heard about Medea and can only empathize with how Medea bravely took the lives of her children when she herself was done with life.

[@kboussa]

That's exactly what I thought.

[@michellecarey583]

Nice!

[@nathanielpowell692]

Unschooling ,as an ideology, seems like a bad excuse for child neglect. Seriously though, all of these children need to contact CPS.

[@SirArthurTheGreat]

They won’t be able to dial a phone tho

[@thebogsofmordor7356]

​@@SirArthurTheGreat😢

[@lucass8119]

Sorry, they don't learn about acronyms until 15

[@manashieldmedia]

In my experience CPS wouldn't do anything even with possible SA.

[@Thunderthighhighs]

I mean there are def sane versions of the "let the child explore their own interests" idea. I know it's a big part of the Montessori and Waldorf teaching methodologies. Any real school would still have some kind of set curriculum though, and they'd still force kids to learn at least the basics of stuff they're not interested in

[@alexandermikaelson1154]

The kid is going to be the: "My name is Jared, I'm 19 and I never learned how to fucking read"☠️

[@RobertoMartinCatoni]

just thought about this, lol

[@RoxanneLaWinSTABBY]

Applying for a job and his CV just says ‘乇 ᎶᎶ’

[@Banana34598]

I miss vine so much

[@tiagol-t951]

@@RoxanneLaWinSTABBY how did u write ‘乇 ᎶᎶ’ (i just copy pasted you)

[@emilyyyyyyyyyyyyys]

@@RoxanneLaWinSTABBYLMAOOOO I LOVE YOU

[@melissaabrego1884]

2020 undid so much of my socialization and I was 18 at the time. I can’t imagine how detrimental it would be for a kid

[@TheDramaNut]

The fact that she couldnt even be bothered to sign a piece of paper shows how much she actually cares about her children. This is really sad and I feel so sorry for the kids

[@janjanbinks1710]

This woman is unhinged. She's such a control freak too. I hope CPS gets involved holy shit

[@OwnerofAtlantis]

Her name is Kelsey Rhae and omg she makes me so angry, her takes on public school (and just things in general) never fail to astound me

[@mmmmmmmm9358]

i wouldn't too (but i don't have kids lol) it is just demand avoidance

[@autumnnn1809]

Literally an insane reaction. When I was in grade school my mom had to sign my agenda every day, she didn’t complain and she was much busier than this woman as she worked everyday ( This woman clearly doesn’t work if she can unschool)

[@OwnerofAtlantis]

@autumnnn1809 Technically, she does have a job, but it's for an MLM that sells ketones. She spends all day on her phone promoting a pyramid scheme. And it barely takes two seconds to sign your name on a piece of paper, you aren't THAT busy.

[@thesnowflakeemporium2878]

Hi, former unschooler here! It isolated me from any friendships I had, made me feel stupid and lesser than my entire teenage life and still to this day, ruined my chances at going to college, never let me learn how to study and take tests, and made it so I have panic attacks when asked basic trivia. Hope this helps!

[@Sleipnirseight]

I'm so sorry for what you've been through!! Please know that it is NEVER too late to learn! As long as we are still alive, we can learn, we can go to college, we can try new careers, whatever you desire. There is no such thing as "too late" when it comes to education. It will be challenging in the beginning, but if you are kind and patient with yourself, you will be amazed at how quickly you grow. Some of the strongest, most inspiring people I know went to college later in life. My dad even went back for a degree in his 60's! He didn't finish, but he enjoyed what he learned and the people he met and the experiences he had along the way. It opened him up to new opportunities he wouldn't have known about before, and he actually started volunteering by traveling around to rural schools, setting up an inflatable planetarium and teaching kids about space! He was able to pass on his passion for science to others and provide a really unique experience that may have broadened their world of possibilities just a little more! Don't sit things out now! You have all your life ahead of you to try out whatever you want. And if one pathway turns out not to be the one you want, you can try another one. We live in an incredible time where information and classes on any topic, at any skill level are available to anyone in the world!!! Whether you use free online courses, whether you take a couple fun-sounding college classes, or whether you find a local community center that offers classes, it's all wonderful. And learning is a great way to meet people and build a community of fellow learners. Sending you love and well wishes on your journeys!!

[@marissarae]

Please look into community college in your county, many of which will offer intensive support for folks in situations like yours!

[@keelygallagher9382]

I can relate, my dad didn’t call it unschooling he just homeschooled us and made do farm work instead. If a parent says they unschool or homeschool their kids and don’t have a specific curriculum and recent updates they talk about, I assume they are abusing their kids. Because that’s what intentional neglect of education is.

[@booobie]

Also a former unschooler! It genuinely f*cked me up for life. I also do not know how to study and i'm behind everyone because of it 😭

[@abdo-3259]

​@@booobieI recommend you to study with a friend it will help you a lot

[@honeybea9164]

i feel like the cruelest part of this is the fact that they're squandering precious years of neuroplasticity for their children. learning to read or write or do basic math later in life is going to be like us learning to do all that in a second language, since their brains will have hardened to a more grown-up state without any of the grown-up lessons already learned... just like how it's way easier for a kid to learn to play piano than an adult, it'll be near impossible and deeply demotivating for older children to achieve the same results at the same rate when learning these basic educational skills.

[@vanessamichaels9512]

agreed. My sister does this with her kids. THey were going to be soooooo smart and they can't even spell their names. It makes me really, really sad.

[@mauricemaurice133]

I’d say it’s even harder than learning a new language, because you don’t have a proper foundation. When you’ve learned these things once it becomes easier the second time around, but learning reading or writing for the first time when you’re older seems incredibly hard.

[@FOADa6c6a6b]

Well, maybe they want their kids to be as dumb as these moms are.

[@xylophone_888]

​@@vanessamichaels9512 might want to call cps on her

[@beagle9662]

not to mention the social delays. this really just sets kids up for a tough go of it

[@AdrianAzizSantoso-gq7rw]

0:58 Unschooling (a.k.a. "free-schooling") is like unlimited gaming time but without any access to the video game itself, henceforth removing the gap between the amount of hours required to complete the video game and the lack of time to actually complete the video game

[@brilssss]

As an ex-unschooler, listening to these parents triggers the hell out of me. IT'S NEVER ABOUT THE KID AS THE PRIORITY, ONLY THE PARENT'S EGO.

[@datte-ai]

What brought you into the unschooling and what made you change your mind btw? Just curious, no answer needed if you're not comfortable with answering.

[@sowhatnow...]

LITERALLY!! And it's a form of abuse, intellectual neglect. Same experience, this is triggering but also therapeutic to like actually hear someone talking about how wack it is. The parents should be educated formally as teachers if they want to teach their kid, like not every adult is automatically built to teach developing minds. That's a whole ass degree.

[@spencerlively3049]

And their politics

[@shigushigu741]

Unschooler here as well. I've had to pause the video multiple times because WOW is it close to home- So many of those kids are going to be so far behind and won't know why until their world view opens up. While I can't guarantee it, in my personal experience, those "parents" will end up alone and won't know why their kids left them behind I seriously wish them the best. No one deserves to be set back because of someone else's decisions and be left alone, scrambling to catch up

[@brilssss]

@@datte-ai It was a mix of my parents inability to trust anything about the public school system and my crumbling mental state. My parents thought unschooling would be best so I didn't have any stress when it came to school, but I literally needed the opposite (a lot of structure and therapy). It was incredibly neglectful and abusive, but dual-enrollment through community college saved my life and I wouldn't have graduated high school without the opportunity. I got the last laugh though since I received an associate's degree with a perfect 4.0 gpa and plan to study geography and climate conservation in the future :)

[@tylerlisonbee4914]

I love how they’re talking about basic parenting skills as if it’s some crazy new concept. Fostering your child’s curiosity and teaching them basic life skills is the bare minimum.

[@ax6556]

yeah that's what I was thinking. their idea of teaching is just answering questions their kid has... isn't that just being a good parent? like do they think parents don't interact with their kids if they go to school?? their logic confuses me so much 😭

[@Eri-ww9td]

IKR They're just admitting how bad they are ☠️

[@clockworktri]

Thank You! Engaging with your kid when they are curious about something isn't a form of schooling, it's a basic part of parenting!

[@BlckSWANWhtRbbt]

Yep and all those poor kids are going to miss out on education because they didn't know to ask.

[@ryangriffin5362]

@@ax6556 literally the bare minimum of existing with a child in your life. Talking to your children in not the same as a comprehensive education like jesus christ

[@sirshauniv511]

Wanting your kids to have life experience is one thing, but refusing to let them be educated is neglecting your obligations as a parent.

[@AshleyfromTX]

Exactly. I don’t know why she thinks it’s impossible to teach them how to shop for groceries and do chores after they get home from school??? It works for most everyone else in the world 😅

[@ellaelliott4415]

My high school had a value called expeditionary learning AKA we had normal school BECAUSE OF COURSE but our extra curricular activities were so much broader than just sports and clubs. We had LARPING, gardening, an annual trip to Nicaragua, internships (actually we were required in our junior year) and tons more. In social studies when we were learning about the judicial system we went to DC. In my senior year we made a movie. All seniors got film classes then we travelled to make a documentary. Our science experiments were hands on. We built rockets, things like that. We got a real education, life experiences, and gained social skills. Seems like a pretty rounded curriculum in school, not what this mom calls boring and stifling or whatever. I don’t think I’d know how to be social or be tactful or know how to communicate in the world if I’d done unschooling. So I’m happy I never was. Plus she’s giving homeschoolers a bad name. I was never homeschooled. My parents didn’t think it was a good idea for me, and I get why and I agree with them. But homeschooling isn’t this. This is honestly neglect

[@Morepanthers]

​@@ellaelliott4415 that's very very cool, but not what most public schools are like

[@artthounasty5877]

That's one experience less they get to have too :p

[@fuckinghelenlikewhatthehel2629]

@Itscannatella based on her being too busy to take a minute to sign her son’s papers, she probably spent little to no time with her kids and decided the way to do that was to not take time off from her work or hire more employees so she has more free time, but to take away her kid’s education so they’re always available when she’s available, which is very sad to think about. I’m not saying it’s bad she has a career, but she’s might be prioritizing it so much she’s neglecting the rest of the people in her life

[@JadeyCatgirl99]

I was homeschooled by my mom for a few years. She did a good job of it because she was actually a trained teacher. Education was her first career. She made sure I had actual curriculum. I was in Scouts so I socialized with other kids. Also, as a rare win for the Florida education system, they mandate all homeschool students be evaluated at least once per year. I personally think it should be several times per year, but better than nothing. Most importantly, mom also knew what her limitations were, and when it was time for me to go a real school. It wasn't about her ego, it was about doing what was best for her children. I think that is the general way any homeschooling should go.

[@S.J.C._Entertainment]

Exact same situation I’ve been in my whole life. Honestly can’t complain.

[@PixeledPuffball]

good mom

[@feliciascorner9795]

I'm an educator, this whole topic makes me rage. This is educational abuse/neglect. You are asking your child to run the race of life but shooting them in the foot and chaining them to the starting blocks.

[@jansilverthorn777]

Well said. I watched a co-worker really struggle. She paid thousands to take a course, only to drop out the next day. She had zero knowledge of basic biology and couldn’t understand the course material. 😢

[@HyacinthSkies]

Do you think this will back fire on these parents? Ie having their kids mooching off them at 40 and launching our government into action against homeschooling?

[@cozy.country.fairy01]

Exactly! Reading is a skill that needs to be taught, it’s not a natural phenomenon that kids will just pick up and learn to do on their own

[@Anasteroiddestroyer]

Exactly. You can't expect kids to have interest and questions about things they don't even know exist 🤷‍♀️

[@exwaifupillow]

Thank you for doing what you do. You are so truly needed

[@blue-dabad33]

"I'm teaching my kids the *Important™* things, like thinly veiled threats about what happens to naughty children who dare question their parent's authority" (Kronos was an MLM girlboss confirmed)

[@Ac3-of-pdes]

and she said Kronos was a god 😭 girl no he was not

[@Sinistermf]

​@@Ac3-of-pdes allow me to "well, actually🤓☝️" you for a moment. Kronos, technically, was a god. A Titan god, but a god nonetheless. All titans are gods, but not all gods are titans. Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk.

[@CiCodiCadno]

​​@@Ac3-of-pdes eh, that's kind of splitting hairs. To us mythology-was-our-special-interest kids, we'd call him a primordial deity or titan, but even the Wikipedia page on Greek Primordial Deities defines them as "In Greek and Roman mythology, the primordial deities are the first generation of gods and goddesses." Edit: just looked at the website Theoi (my beloved) and Chronos is described as "the primordial god of time"

[@savien1700]

Her explanation of ol' dude eating his kids cost me 2 years of my life

[@Fedro_]

The whole thing about her explanation that irks me its that its just plain wrong. Chrono (father of Zeus) was not the same mythological being as Chronos ("god" of time) that came from a mistranslation by the romans, and that just shows how her analogy is not only beyond stupid but completely and historically wrong.

[@Dollness_xoxo]

Chad looks very alpha today

[@FuchsiaSquid]

Pinkie pie pfp solidarity.,.,,.,,.

[@ConstipationOfficial]

yes

[@shwitz3614]

More gama then anything but you mainstream pilled normies woudont know anything but beta/ alpha, go figures

[@Imastalk127s_life]

Very sigma alpha.🐺🐺🐺

[@Imsoskibidialphasigma]

Agreed

[@ajak4262]

Taught for 30 years and I’ve never seen an example of “unschooling” that wasn’t a complete failure. Most often the damage of unschooling was not fixable. I’ve seen lots of homeschooling that was brilliant there IS a difference.

[@natsinnett9751]

As a preschool teacher, that’s typical development for a 4 year old, not a 6 year old.

[@Empathy-and-resilience]

I was just thinking this… my daughter just turned 4 and is now attempting to write her name without me teaching her much… this is so sad!!!

[@kel8137]

this!! i see these types of developmental milestones in my pre-school class's 3-4 year olds who are just starting to explore language and writing, not 6 year olds. it's really sad to see :/

[@SamuelSamuelSamuel1]

Yeah I grew up unschooled and wrote that way until I was like 13 until I realized everyone my age could read and write while it took me like an hour to read a page from a book.

[@rachlync]

The kid should be writing simple words from memory or sounding out words

[@saphiwrath]

@@Empathy-and-resilience I don't have a background in education but I am an ex 4 year old and I also started asking about words and letters at that age.

[@catherine5865]

my partner was "unschooled" by his mom and we're literally still trying to un-do all the damage it did, it impacted so much more than just education but a lot of social aspects and mental health aspects were affected as well

[@christopherhashbrowns]

Yeah, it's an absolute nightmare

[@Elizabean1984]

This is relatable af except I'm the idiot and my girlfriend is normal. 😭

[@MackenzieSWalker]

Yeah I was homeschooled since I was pretty young and that shit absolutely WILL affect your mental and emotional health. I barely knew basic math skills and I spent most of my days watching KZbin instead. I never had any friends and it affected me to this day

[@insertnamehere9718]

I’m really sorry about what you two must be going through But all I could think was “un-un-schooling lol”

[@IL0UHV_SF]

⁠@@MackenzieSWalkerI’m so sorry that’s horrible

[@Anonysus-z9y]

My country Sudan has been going through a war that prevented kids from going to school for 2 years, they lost the right of education. It makes me so mad these entitled women are depriving their kids of one of the most basic human rights just to be "unique" 😢

[@jaxj968]

thats horrible, I’m so sorry to hear that 😢 i pray that you are doing okay

[@aminashehu8628]

They're actually just clout chasers that make money from it, and unfortunately people watching that type of content are just giving them what they want.

[@ihatemickiegee]

exactly what i was thinking. i am fortunately in the US and am so sorry your country is struggling so terribly with all of this right now. but i do fully agree with you that the right of education isn’t just a given, it’s a privilege in many places, and even something we had to fight for in america once upon a time, so how dare they take this right away from their own children?

[@flyingstonemon3564]

Ikr! The right to be schooled has been fought for accross the world! So weird to squander the gift unless your kid has behavioral or mental issues that make them unable to stand class with people or have special requirements a regular school can't provide...

[@2degucitas]

How are the average Sudanese dealing with this? Do they teach at home?

[@Your__Honey]

11:16 As a substitute teacher of 5 years your kid is going to fail if you are not an involved parent. When you make the choice to become a parent you are saying yes to making sure your kid learns responsibility by holding them accountable

[@hollydawn07]

My kid is autistic and has dyslexia and dyscalculia (basically dyslexia but numbers lol), and she’s done online school since she was like 7. Yesterday she was telling me about how she learned about the iceman of the alps (Oetzi?), and we also went to the grocery store and I showed her how to cook a certain food. It’s almost like you need both and it’s possible to do both and one isn’t a replacement for the other.

[@CG-lf8st]

Good on you for supporting your kid with an alternative approach to schooling that works for them. It sounds like you're doing it right!

[@zaynyouareAbabe]

Oooh I'm a History teacher in Sydney and I love teaching about ötzi the iceman

[@techietisdead]

well, you send me down a rabbithole

[@Kayobsession]

Ooo I had pretty bad dyslexia as a child. My mom made me read ALL the time which actually ended up helping me as an adult! Now I both love to read, and can read very well despite still being dyslexic!

[@acceptablecasualty5319]

Ötzi is written Oetzi for international Keyboard compliance, so yeah, nailed it

[@cookiecat171]

My mother unschooled me for 3 years. Almost everything I learned was on my own or from the internet. She lied to the state about my “homeschooling” and faked my grades. I hardly left the house or interacted with anyone that wasn’t family. Didn’t go back to public school until it was literally forced by court to either let me go to an actual school, or put me in a group where I can socialize with people my age. Unschooling, from everything I’ve seen so far, is really just parents trying to control their children completely and cut them off from society. Edit: I wasn’t expecting to get so much attention from this comment. Thank you all so much for your well wishes. I am doing wonderfully now and I’m starting my sophomore year with all honors and an AP class. I’m so sorry to hear that some of you have had similar experiences, I hope you all can thrive in spite of the circumstances you’ve faced.

[@suckzforlife]

This is exactly what's happening to me right now. I'm so glad I'm not alone in this

[@alexandraw6264]

Well said. I’m so sorry you had to experience that. And so many states still continue to lower the amount of oversight that is supposed to ensure homeschooling meets certain educational standards. Where I live the school attendance laws are lax to the point of being irrelevant.

[@captaincaspian42]

This actually happened to my manager! He's 25 and can't write very well, and he and barely sign his name. He learned how to read and write and do multiplication when he first applied to the job when he was 16. His parents homeschooled him up to age 10, and then had him work for the family business until he decided he wanted to work and actually keep his own money at 16. He had to learn what a bank account was from the other managers, he didn't know how to drive, and he had virtually no friends. Now he's in charge of the store, got married recently, and he's doing a lot better education wise.

[@HeVn7LaO]

I’m sorry you had to experience that…I really hope they learned as early as possible that this system will not work…

[@ZooZoo310]

Jesus it sounds like cult shit

[@TheKairosCollabrative]

I was “unschooled” for a year by my schizophrenic mother and- surprise, surprise- it was the most traumatic year of my life. I was severely neglected, subjected to worsened psychological, physical, and sexual abuse… and, as far as my “schooling” went, I watched PBS Kids from the time I woke up until around 3pm… No one removes their child from the most enriching environment available to them with pure intentions. Shit should be illegal or else highly regulated.

[@EmotionalDisaster]

Oh, man… i’m so sorry, i hope you’re safe now

[@nelevanloon2930]

😢 this sounds absolutely awful and heartbreaking… I wish you the very best and I hope you are in a safe place now!

[@MissLizzanna]

I’ve learned that homeschooling at least in Texas is not very regulated.

[@LadyVandMrT]

"No one does it" dude be screened for paranoia shit son, and never smoke weed. Plenty of people homeschool because of the needs of their children and are not abusive and are qualified to teach them basic knowledge. Your situation sucked and is also yours. For real, don't smoke weed ok? Decreases the onset age and increases the severity of schizophrenia

[@feliciascorner9795]

@@TheKairosCollabrative I'm an educator and we definitely need grade level testing and regulations for homeschool students needing to take those tests. If the student is too far below grade level, they need to be placed in remedial classes with a licensed educator. Full stop. Homeschool parents must take educational courses while they are teaching their kids to ensure they are addressing their kids needs. Homeschooling must be regulated because unschooling and bad homeschooling is abusive and neglectful to children.

[@kade._56]

i was homeschooled up until 7th grade, school saved my mental health. i met some of my bestfriends there, it gave me a better schedule, and helped me get away from home :3 i had a lot of rough patches with my parents (most being one-sided from my end cuz it was hard for a twelve-yo to communicate with 30-40 year olds whom were pretty traditional :/), and its still nice to get out of the house everyday ^^

[@celestialsquirrel655]

I knew some “unschooled” kids when I was homeschooled. The youngest was 9 and couldn’t read. The oldest at 14 could barely spell. “Unschooling” is just child abuse.

[@DIVINELY_LUVED]

oh goodness… that’s horrible. i hope they’re doing alright now.

[@celestialsquirrel655]

@@DIVINELY_LUVED I'm not sure, the oldest was a child molester so I tried to stay away from that family😅

[@zoozoo60]

​@celestialsquirrel655 damn, you talking about my family?

[@oj_originals4304]

⁠@@celestialsquirrel655WOAH THAT WENT FROM 20 TO 200 REALLY FUCKING QUICK

[@ChimozeChum]

This actually makes me glad I have school- Despite how much I hate it, if I wasent able to read at my age I would’ve felt embarassed

[@PeeperSnail]

That video of that woman preaching to the camera, and then shutting up her child when they were about to tell her something really does just sum up this entire “unschooling” thing.

[@ShahedShbeeb]

pretty sure her own kids will go no-contact with her when they grow up

[@jadetteom]

​@@ShahedShbeebunfortunately they'll struggle to make alternative friends due to lack of social skills 😞

[@joshuapray]

@@ShahedShbeeb If it even takes that long! The first good friend is going to start ringing the alarm bell, I think.

[@soulstealer5625]

@@ShahedShbeebthen they’ll run to conservative media to drum up sympathy and rail against the education system even more

[@ItsCodeRedYT]

Not all unschooling is like that. That is actually a perfect example of why what she is doing isn’t actually unschooling at all lol

[@nimmieamee1988]

There is a local forum for my town. One guy posted about how he thought people with disabilities were selfish for wanting access to a local hiking trail. I was one of the people who pushed back and he apparently was so upset that he laid in wait for OVER A YEAR until I next showed up on the forum so he could write me multiple long emails full of personal attacks entirely about my daring to disagree with him a year prior. I looked him up after that and discovered that he and his wife are proud unschoolers. All I could think was that if he couldn’t handle a random neighbor disagreeing with him, I did NOT want to be his kid with absolutely no access to an education that wasn’t 100% in my dad’s control.

[@JanYaps]

I love the idea of a parent homeschooling their kids. As long as they're involved in community activities too of course. Unfortunately most of the people that also love the idea of homeschooling are selfish morons

[@ekki1993]

​@@JanYapsThat's just a worse and more risky way to implement schools. Opening up homeschooling empowers abusive parents disproportionately. Any problem you can have with schools can be 10x worse in homeschooling.

[@jormunganfan]

Tbh, if I lived in America, I wouldnt want to send my child anywhere near a school. You guys have a problem.

[@Anna-dd4rh]

I’m sorry, he thought people with disabilities were selfish???? For wanting to exist in and have access to a public space??? You could’ve stopped there with describing his behavior and I’d know enough about what a POS he is to know those kids are doomed.

[@JanYaps]

@@ekki1993 that's exactly my point, I love the idea of it but not the reality for some cases

[@xcgrace]

10:02 i, as per a lot of people, went to a public school. i have been going to a form of school since before i could walk. both of my parents work full time. my mom was a teacher and my dad worked 6-5. they still taught me how to cook, i played 4 sports, i did lots of extracurriculars, my parents were involved in my education, i had a garden (i grew tomatoes, strawberries, and flowers) and i know how to set boundaries. it is possible (and necessary) for parents to teach their children these things with full time jobs, with extracurriculars, it's called being a parent.

[@limarien6405]

I was "unschooled" which means my dad got drunk and passed out on the couch while I read textbooks and peer reviewed journal in the next room because I wanted to learn and nobody else was going to teach me. I turned 18 and I was legally free but financial freedom seems all but impossible. I still live with my mom and I have been looking for work since I was legally able to work but who wants to hire a guy with a GED, almost no schooling, and no job experience. I started looking at colleges and immediately hit a dead end when they asked for test scores and a transcript. my parents sabotaged my future on every level. love you mom, I know you feel bad about it, but yeah, you and dad fucked me.

[@SlopSlope]

That’s tough buddy… good luck on getting a proper house..

[@rowancook4369]

im sorry. since you got your GED, would you be able to access resources for SAT/ACT prep? like the books you can work through? I know my county library has some old ones, if you have access to something like that

[@skjsklajfjsdaf]

Keep fighting for your education with everything you have man. You deserve it more than most

[@Hawk7886]

Don't give up dude, you got this. Some trade schools or community colleges will let you enroll if you have a GED.

[@liketheTaj]

Please look into the trades!!! They’re an amazing option as long as you have a driver’s license, algebra proficiencies, and the physical ability for labor. I’m so sorry you were dealt that hand by your parents, keep fighting for your continued learning!!🫶

[@buzzsawbetty6668]

As an adult who was unschooled I was completely crippled by my mother's "letting me explore my own interests" which was letting a 10 y/o me have unrestricted unsupervised internet access 24/7 in the early 2010s where I played video games and got groomed by any adult who would give me more than a Buffy episode's worth of attention. If it worked for any of you, I'm glad, but from my experience and what I saw from other kids in our situation, it was just straight-up neglect.

[@Neveko]

I don't think you're going to hear any success stories unless the parent was an actual accredited teacher. There is no way letting your kids just wander around life is going to prepare them in any meaningful way when literally everyone else learned structure and socialization from before they could spell their own names.

[@samaraisnt]

No child should have 24/7 unrestricted internet access. That’s separate from homeschooling (tho goes along with neglect). I was reading all these stories of people who went through grooming yesterday and they all had that in common, unrestricted access…not homeschooling.

[@Elizabean1984]

My mother had a rule against talking to people more than 2 years older or younger than me and I followed that rule. I was never groomed but I still didn't have a good childhood.

[@ruthie8785]

I’m so sorry.

[@buzzsawbetty6668]

​@@samaraisnt I fully agree that it is different than standard homeschooling! That's not what I was referring to 😊

[@laurel__]

4:54 when your kid asks you a math question so you hit em with the ketamine stare

[@teeceedee]

hahahaahahhahahaa

[@ThatFont]

Unschooling is the new isolationist indoctrination

[@dreamworldtony]

Yeah this lady’s cooked lmfao

[@mercy8370]

you made me spit on my screen.

[@costelloandlloyd]

Elon Musk behavior

[@B-Nice]

we've got extended family who has a 9 year old who is 'unschooled' and he still cannot read or write. 🤷🏽‍♀

[@reirei1861]

How are they not arrested already? Isn't this against children right of having proper education??

[@Darca1n]

​@@wildindigo999What's that even supposed to mean? What did you even intend to say with that statement? That you think they must be dumb because they think children have a right to proper education?

[@Sleipnirseight]

You should check out the John Oliver "Last Week Tonight" episode about homeschooling. Homeschooling is a f*cking nightmare clusterf*ck situation in the US.

[@CoppersmithOD]

@@Sleipnirseight There are a lot of people doing it well too… but yeah unschooling is nuts.

[@rh10033]

It depends on what state you live in.

[@douchopotamus3755]

"I dOnT sEe ThAt In ThE cOnStItUtIoN"

[@sittoku.]

The fact is they think school is only about reading, writing, math, science, and history. Like no, it’s not, it’s also about learning how to socialize with people/other kids

[@BlckSWANWhtRbbt]

Exactly, good homeschool parents are also teaching those skills and bringing them to sports classes and co-op, etc, not having them do all the housework.

[@chattycatty3336]

and it teaches you basic responsibility. She complains about doing homework and says that its a waste of time and shouldn't be a thing, but it literally teaches your child the basics of responsibility while having low stakes. those skills are crucial if you ever want your kid to go to college, have a pet, or just be able to function properly. shes really setting them up for failure

[@thepinkestpigglet7529]

I mean, to be fair, I'm pretty sure I'd be a lot more sociak if I hadn't gone to school. Most of my experience with other children in school were getting bullied. I learn social skills better with my cousins.

[@Parrot5884]

But also, even if school actually was only about those things, THOSE THINGS ARE SUPER FUCKING IMPORTANT. It's easy to take basic arithmetic, reading, and semi-decent general knowledge for granted when you already have them. When you've spent over ten years in school practising and being exposed to those things, they become second nature to the point that we don't even realise how much we use them. It's only when step foot in like, a rural hospital where people think they can use Mountain Dew douches as birth control or that you can scare away germs by yelling at them that you realise just how necessary an education is in order to be like, even slightly competent on the most basic level at the most pedestrian things.

[@JubbysDragons]

As a kid who was out in those GT classes. Elementary school was about chess and the Aztec Inca Mayans. No I don't remember anything about them bc it wasn't interesting to me as a 9 yr old but at least we got to build shield and swords out of cardboard and wear sheets as dresses/robes 😂😂. I loved math though in middle school, hated math in highschool. Trig sucks

[@seven7tr]

Fun fact about Jean-Jacques Rousseau, famous french philosopher and inspiration for this unschooling movement, who wrote a huge book about teaching stuff to children : He abandoned all of his kids...

[@lukeandrew3335]

You mean he taught them all they needed to know and left them to make their own way - independently?

[@raineatscheese]

@@lukeandrew3335Letting your kids be independent is not straight-up abandoning them.

[@raineatscheese]

@@lukeandrew3335He did not teach them anything. He put them in an orphanage.

[@hannahyamauchi839]

I just looked it up, and yeah! Not only is this true, he kept it a secret from the public and was only brought to light by a rival philosopher who wanted to dig up dirt on Rousseau.

[@DiligentThroat]

@@lukeandrew3335aw, is that what you were told before you were abandoned?

[@kuuderepanda4207]

14:50 I feel like this is kinda the core of this issue. She doesn't want to homeschool or "unschool" her kids for their benefit or to help them learn naturally or whatever else. She's doing it because she doesn't want to lose control over their thoughts and opinions and she knows that having other people to socialize with will ultimately make them their own people - Ones who might not have the beliefs she decided they should have.

[@Rin_sings]

The part about “not needing socialization” is CRAZYYYYY. These KIDS need to be around KIDS for ample amounts of time so they can learn behavioral and emotional regulation patterns from OTHER KIDS

[@shadowblue4187]

But where do the OTHER KIDS learn it from? Who's KID 0?

[@dcoy8666]

I disagree, kids are lousy at teaching those things. The 'socialization' model is and outdated and failed idea.

[@threateningcrow]

​@@shadowblue4187me I'm the kid prototype

[@evinonhalsmark2534]

​@@dcoy8666 They don't "teach" it, that one is learned by participating in social activities naturally, all humans do this in all stages of life, though it's just important early on to make the more important ones easier later (Also people tend to need social interaction, period, for mental health, regardless of learning)

[@swamp-yankee]

@@dcoy8666wild take

[@btevr]

I was unschooled and it was horrible. I was lonely all the time and never learned anything until I became a teenager and had independent Internet access. Now I'm 20 and I'm working on getting my GED. Thank you for making this video, this all existed way before TikTok did.

[@Jayflower-hl3uz]

Same it’s truly horrible

[@wopezstarz]

same, 16 being unschooled, i have 0 friends and made my anxiety disorder worse.

[@JaneDoeValentine]

I’m sorry your educational development was screwed up like that, but congrats on working hard to fix that! I wish you good luck when you take the GED test

[@andyespay]

hey there, I'm sorry to hear that, but I hope you can make it up and even if get interested in sciences you can get a grasp on it, it is just hard to search for information, and in my case the quarentine back in 2020-2021 pretty much unschooled me and I had a bad time with mathematics back on 2022, but now I'm doing a major on aeronautics engineering, and I'm slowly even still recovering but going on it, I know your case is more severe but yet, everyone has different types of intelligence, and everyone can learn, I believe in you.

[@myhellocuteness]

Me as well:( it is cathartic and also sad watching videos like this, I feel so bad for the children that are going through this right now… I am starting to work through in therapy the negative impact that it has had on my self image, social ability and education. I was so lonely. Kids can’t be the leaders of their education by asking questions when they don’t even know what they don’t know. It’s still hard to even think of where to start.

[@charleshalvorson806]

One of the wonderful things I learned by going to public school was that not everyone comes from a abusive home and doesn’t hate going home, I’m really glad I got to see that other kids loved going home and their parents cared. It showed me a bigger picture of the world and I met other kids parents that I modeled my adult life after ❤

[@alexterieur8813]

kudos to you, extremely hard thing to do. You’re very resilient and i wisj you the best which you deserve

[@00Rav3n00]

Reading this comment broke my heart because I relate to this so much. I was thankfully not physically or sexually abused growing up, but I was emotionally/verbally abused by my father and his family (primarily his mother and cousin) from a very young age. I remember being confused as to why it seemed like 3 of my close family members didn't like me, and I didn't really like being around them. Going to school helped me see what a normal grandmother/granddaughter relationship looked like and what a normal father/daughter relationship looked like, one full of love and support, not heartache, fear, discomfort, and confusion. Going to school also helped me find people to confide in and it gave me a sense of temporary peace and happiness that I couldn't find at home. Yeah, school (specifically public school) can be shit, but for a lot of people, it's a much better option than being home all day.

[@charleshalvorson806]

@@00Rav3n00I’m glad you got to see healthy relationships at school too, your reply made my night, thank you 😊

[@charleshalvorson806]

@@alexterieur8813thank you 😊

[@andy2more475]

Great point! Very smart!

[@keelyjanee]

As a homeschooled child, I have about 4-5 friends, but I learned how to read at 3, I learned money, I learned math, and my curriculum for my homeschool unit is above my own grade, so homeschool isn't that bad (thank you mother :3)

[@annabelle746]

You "learned money"? What does that even mean? Learning to read at 3 or at 5 makes no difference in the long run. I went to regular school and learned math (algebra, geometry, calculus, trigonometry), science (biology, geology, physics, chemistry), social studies (history and geography), philosophy, civics, French (grammar and literature), English, Spanish, and Italian. And I had no problem getting into college.

[@keelyjanee]

@@annabelle746I ain’t reading allat 🤓

[@Szpagin]

>Too busy shilling a MLM scheme to check kid's homework. >Take them out if the school to be the sole person responsible for their education. 10/10 logic.

[@KendlickLama]

They could send their kids to a Montessori school, the concept is similar to unschooling but your kids don’t end up completely illiterate

[@madelinekc_]

I’m so glad you recognize this!! I’ve always loathed the whole idea of montessori.

[@KendlickLama]

@@madelinekc_ yeah its a great concept, i worked at a Montessori kindergarten

[@JubbysDragons]

That's nice.

[@P.eac.h]

I went to a Montessori school until highschool. They taught us about apartheid by making us "replicate it". Me and four other people were the only ones allowed chairs and were given snacks while our friends had to sit in silence on the ground. One of my friends cried. 10/10 some of my best childhood memories are from that school.

[@Avruthlelbh]

Or a Charter school, where the class structured but not as rushed, typically more variety of electives that allow for more interest/career options. Student bodies are generally small and more interconnected, so people tend to form deeper connections (based on anecdotal experience, at least), in part because the risk of bullies, etc. is much smaller when the potential bullies are far smaller in scale, making them easier to weed out/deal with. It's essentially similar to a highschool without the most major flaws, imo.

[@cielhigh4401]

This is honestly so scary. This is usually how manipulative and abusive households control their kids. The kids will have absolutely no one else to rely on besides their guardian and if they ever need space or just help from an outsider they won't even know where to start. They will be solely reliant on whatever the caretaker says even tho the caretaker isn't educated themselves. I hate when people try and play God to their kids. I also feel the same way about religious private schools.

[@Joltumbreon]

Yeah. The second mom especially scared the shit out of me saying that there’s nobody else her children need to socialize with but her. I can’t even begin to comprehend how much more dysfunctional I would be if my parents did this. I might not have even had the will to live.

[@staaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa]

Hey I'd like to know more about what you mean about religious private schools

[@snowinthecemetery]

Parents also use homeschooling as abuse as well, my "mother" did.

[@tinycharlie6694]

In my country taking your child out of school is literally punishable by law until they either are 18 y/o or graduate 😅 I'm honestly shocked these parents can do this "unschooling" nonsense publicly without consequences 💀

[@rainforest2731]

Oh fr I've been to catholic schools all my life minus preschool and I hated it for obvious reasons 🙃

[@SuperJman1111]

This concept sounds like the education equivalent of trying to play Terraria entirely blind with no guides whatsoever

[@S0ph.e]

These parents are like “I don’t want outside ideologies impacting my child! Only I can force my beliefs and ideologies onto my kids! They can only be who I want them to be!”

[@magnetronmaaltijden]

Foolproof plan imo

[@t.n.1116]

I mean it's kind of normal for parents of all beliefs to instill those beliefs in their kids. Whether consciously or unconsciously

[@ActuallyImaginary]

​@@t.n.1116 whats not normal is the way they tend to freak out or disown the kid when they contradict the plan they have for their life.

[@barborakopalova4583]

They are creating losers, i' m afraid. I rather send my child to regular school, where kids learn a lot about how to interact with other people,plus they learn how to read and calculate and other things,to have some future.

[@adamlambboy8332]

It’s gotta be one of the most narcissistic mindsets one can have. You have to be absolutely full of yourself to think you know better than others who have far more experience/education than you do. 🤦🏼

[@128treehugger]

As someone who struggles with social anxiety, my heart breaks for her son. There's no substitute for friendship, and nothing worse than feeling lonely and left out

[@jstarstudios7110]

Yeah, honestly. I guess the reason I wasn't lonely during the period I was homeschooled was that I was being taught alongside my similar-aged brother. And we actually, y'know. Learned things. We were taught lessons and did related math worksheets my mom printed off. We participated in a science fair. And we were still having our natural curiosity harnessed - we learned academic things related to our interests

[@LanaLo0000]

Real ❤️‍🩹

[@Kwadratura]

I went to the regular school with peers and I still was lonely, friendless and isolated 🤷‍♀️

[@128treehugger]

@@Kwadratura Same here but at least it wasn't forced by my parents. In this situation, the mom thinks that hanging out with her is a good substitute for her son having friends his age

[@mashadarii]

I had mild social anxiety as a kid. Working as a waiter in a restaurant cured that real fast. You should try it. Its like anything else: its sucks real hard at first when you are bad at it then one day it clicks and its not an issue ever again. But, my social anxiety was around adults, not people my age or younger. I had good social skills with other kids, older and younger. So, you know, take that for what it is.

[@AngelicRecent]

Had a friend who was unschooled she was 14 and she would genuinely cry over her future she reached out to her friends to teach her basic math (including me) which was honestly so scary for me

[@comradeurod9805]

I hope shes doing good now :^(

[@fruit4evr]

is she doing ok now omg?

[@Xerber85]

That's so incredibly sad. Good to hear she was motivated to learn, but shame on her parents for putting her in that position.

[@TomJakobW]

How is this even legal? There‘s a reason school is obligatory up to a certain age in pretty much every country. Even if you allow homeschooling (which imho is a very bad idea bar extreme exceptions, like pro athletes etc.) there should still be standardized testing and if you fail that, you lose home schooling privileges (because yes, that is a privilege).

[@j.d.x4451]

Technically unschooling is illegal in most states, even ones with very lenient homeschooling requirements. Most every state requires some sort of curriculum to be used in book form and many state even require homeschooled students to take part in state testing. I'm a homeschooling mom and I've unfortunately seen unschooling and it's such a sad situation where often times you have lazy parents who dont want to teach their kids anything at all and their children cant even interact with their peers because of how far behind they are and it can greatly affect their social skills.

[@nightsgrow6575]

10:10 aren’t most sports outside school hours anyway, since you know, other kids need to be able to do them too? So why does he have more time to do sports now when he’s not in school?

[@kaemincha]

she probably means sending the kid outside and just giving them a ball tbh

[@NeonGalaxy666]

"We don't need to learn socialization skills." This is straight up neglect.

[@SeanCrosser]

Fast forward some years to "why aren't you married, happy, socialized?"

[@allthe1]

​​@@SeanCrosserOmg you can be sure these "parents" are already subconsciously blaming their kids for their own shortcomings. And it'll only get worse in the future unless some kind of external witness intervenes on behalf of the kid

[@Gamerkat10]

Depending on the state it's legit illegal

[@JesterAzazel]

@@Gamerkat10 Well, neglect is certainly illegal, but are you sure the law considers this neglect? Are there any court cases to read about?

[@spOOkytimes]

​@@JesterAzazel states often have educational standards and benchmarks for kids. Some even have testing for homeschool kids so they aren't falling behind on the state's standards. If a kid is not meeting them, it's a definite red flag to the state and CPS may get involved depending on how bad it is and/or they will force the parents to put them in an actual school.

[@ashamatronichow2226]

As someone with ADHD, if my parents unschooled me I’d know absolutely nothing about anything

[@waddle623]

Same

[@Naruneyl]

Yes! I was only diagnosed with autism in my late 20s and public school was some intense exposition therapy, especially socially-wise. If my parents had taken me out of school as a kid, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be functional. It's not just the knowledge, it's learning how to fit into a society too. I'm glad homeschooling is illegal in my country.

[@alastor24455]

Same

[@Madymations]

I did online schooling for 4 years. It was isolating, but at least I learned more from my teachers than parents who don't do crap.

[@dmace14]

I’d expect you’d know absolutely everything about one very specific thing and then forget it the next week and repeat

[@TheOneTrueLeo]

I liked the car cleaning one. "I'm teaching my kids to take care of the things you love. So instead of me taking care of them, they're taking care of my beloved car."

[@missmoxie9188]

Oh snap

[@levominhtam7300]

So instead of taking care of me, they’re taking care of my beloved car?

[@TheShad0wW3av3r]

Dumb parents and their legal slave labor tricks 🤨

[@letsgoalready5515]

@@levominhtam7300 They'll vacuum the car floor but who's going to vacuum the crumbs off of grandma? Priorities.

[@mashadarii]

Well, to be totally fair my dumb ass didn't realize that anything nice in life that you get comes with chores. You either do them yourself or pay someone else to do them but the reality is the same: chores. Want a pool? Chores or a cleaning service or an HOA to provide a community pool, for example. Want a rice burner zoom zoom or some other small dick car? Gotta take care of it. High performance machines require regular tuning or you destroy them. Want a boat? Don't get a boat, just rent one a few times a year. Not worth the effort. Uhhh, yeah, 3 examples is good enough. My dumb ass learned the lesson as it applies to friends: in order to have good friends you have to be a good friend and being a good friend is basically chores: you have to maintain the relationships. I just took way too long to realize it applied to "things" as well. And now I have lots of chores I didn't intend to sign up for, lol.

[@pneumoniacroix6476]

9:25 this is the point where it really hit me that they aren’t making friends because they aren’t going to school.

[@pneumoniacroix6476]

14:39 ahhhhhh

[@thegirlnamedjessicamccown9194]

@@pneumoniacroix6476oof

[@amyrose8912]

Crazy thing about the grocery store "lesson" is that sophisticated education in math is so helpful in price-to-quantity comparisons. Telling your child, "Typically we go for the cheapest option," doesn't help them learn that bulk items often appear more expensive, but are actually individually cheaper. With the proper schooling, you can even figure out how much cheaper. Not saying you can't necessarily get that from unschooling, but it has to be approached a lot more intentionally than what these parents are doing.

[@scarlettptheoriginal]

I distinctly remember having a unit on price-to-quantity comparisons in elementary school math. At a public school.

[@DeathnoteBB]

You can learn it from unschooling, but these people aren’t unschooling, they’re just neglecting their kids’ education and trying to make everyday errands out to be “lessons”

[@takeyat8840]

She didn’t even look at the value per kgs. Just “cheaper better! 🤓🧌”

[@jadziajan]

I honestly didn't learn this from math class - with which I struggled all throughout for reasons still unclear, since I was otherwise a good student and a fast learner. (And one of the possible reasons may be that the way it was taught just didn't work for me, which is why I empathise with people who need to learn outside of school.) However my mom did teach me that when I accompanied her to the grocery store. It's a little scary that this one lady who made the choice to unschool her children seems to be bad at the specific skills she's aiming to teach them. Like she might legitimately be bad at grocery shopping - or plain ole teaching.

[@miglek9613]

​@@jadziajanhave you ever heard of dyscalculia? Could explain why you were struggling with maths and nothing else. Also, at least in my country this sort of stuff gets taught in economics class, not maths

[@Pickled_Wynne]

My mother took me and only me out of school at age 12. She lied to the state, fabricated "report cards" and collected disability checks on my anxiety. I was in charge of cooking, cleaning, grocery shopping, (get a ride from someone and completely in charge of the EBT card.) Taking care of my siblings as well. I struggled for a really long time with feelings of insecurity socially and academically. I went right into my first job at 16 as a housekeeper, and worked myself into complete burnout by the age of 22. My mother completely failed me, and pulling me out of school was just the start of that. I did get my GED at 21 though and have therapy every week to slowly build myself into a real person.

[@lamibonxd]

congrats on getting your GED and therapy!!! i cannot imagine how hard that’d be, let alone experiencing that as a child. i hope you can live your life to the fullest :-)

[@nelevanloon2930]

😢 I’m so sorry this happened to you… absolutely heartbreaking… you are doing so amazing now despite these traumatic things you went through!

[@feliciascorner9795]

@@Pickled_Wynne you went through what is called Parentification. I don't know if you have heard of that, but looking it up might help you in your healing journey. Much love and healing to you!

[@firstnamelastname7708]

A lot of kids are going to be pulled out of school to essentially become unpaid $l4v€ labor for their parents.

[@Pickled_Wynne]

@@feliciascorner9795 Thank you for mentioning that, I've been very aware of my own inner workings as well as my family members' mental struggles. I can understand why, how, and when things occurred due to certain substances, people, illness, or events. (As well as suspected undiagnosed disorders.) But had been struggling to find the right therapist to help process them properly. Only took 12 therapists and 8 years, but it's finally working out!

[@Windfall18]

Here in Italy you can homeschool kids, but at the end of each year they have to pass an exam that certifies they reached a certain level of education(the same they should reach at public school). I think that solves a lot of problems

[@GatchaPom]

That also exists in the US. My guess is these parents are either committing some kind of truancy (especially if they’re living the van life). Or they’re enrolled in a private “unschool” on paper. Because they’re a legally a private school, depending on where they are, they’re can be exempt from standardized testing.

[@MyahCat824]

Yeah this exists in the USA. Unschooling isn't really allowed, people have just found some ways to cheat the system. In California people will sign their kids up for charter schools that allow you to homeschool but you must still work through all of the curriculum. Kids have to meet with an Education Specialist several times a year to prove that they're doing the work. They present assignments they worked on, have to show what resource they're using to take that class (textbook, an online class, in person class through an approved vendor, etc). They also have to do state testing once a year. Unfortunately parents just find a way to falsify it. I've known kids who's parents would sign them up for an online class but just do the work for them and present that to the ES, or buy textbooks and do 2-3 assignments from it and present that, then of course tell the kid what to say about it. Parents can find ways to help students cheat on the state testing too, or get exempt from it usually in a dishonest way as well. Regulations are being tightened here to prevent it but its difficult.

[@stempki]

@@GatchaPom If they can be exempt, then the same thing does not exist in the US.

[@moltendiamonds1567]

​@stempki sounds like, based on what they said, it exists in parts of the US.

[@XCaptianXChaosX]

​@@stempki The exemptions are more individual. Like, they could (probably) submit a document saying it's against their religion or something to go to school. It's how kids get into schools without vaccinations.

[@kenbasil1996]

Can confirm that having your parents abandon your education and decide in front of your face that you're stupid and that's just the way it is, is genuinely debilitating. Shout out to all the "gifted kids" whose parents yelled at them anytime they asked for help with their homework and acted like you were ruining their life. IDK about y'all but my parent would literally just take over my whole-ass project and be pissed and bully me into becoming mute the entire time and then act like I was ungrateful and lazy and was forcing her to do all this work instead of just.. like... helping me along the way with my own idea. These parents love getting into conflicts with teachers and trying to control the adults that teach you, meanwhile at home they have ZERO interest in actually advocating for your education (ESPECIALLY if that education helps you self-actualize and get away from them).

[@yeebop]

my mom did this to me and my brothers. it's called neglect and it ruined our lives. don't do this to your children PLEASE i can't express how depressed this made us throughout our entire lives. everyone knows so much more than i do because i skipped out on 6 years of school and it's so so frustrating thanks to everyone showing their support and sorry to anyone also going through this, i'd like to personally reply but i'm not too great at that sort of thing so i just wanna let anyone know that has been or in this situation just know that we're going through this together and we can keep on pushing through these hard times 🫂🫂

[@myhellocuteness]

I feel you hardcore. I had a very similar experience. I am grateful to be out of it now, but the feelings of believing I was unintelligent and that I had no friends because of the way that I am, still linger, even though it was not my fault or choice. It takes a lot of work to undo these things. Sending lots of love ❤️

[@sxmplyblossom8048]

im really sorry this happened to you

[@mmymmy315]

that's awful, I'm so sorry. I hope things start getting better for you and your brothers

[@cockroachteeth]

This happened to me for a short period, it's not because my dad was trying to "unschool" us, he was just schizophrenic and agoraphobic

[@kanegriffin1305]

I just had my brothers over who are in 5th and 6th grade and were pulled from school 3 years ago to “homeschool” (my moms version of unschooling), Gave them a few pages of different topics from a 2nd grade level workbook I used to use… and not only did they have the same barley readable writing but they both struggled with basic questions, the math sheets and following the instructions. But hey they know about sports, how to read a map, and that “every other kid in school is being indoctrinated” ✨ Seeing these comments always makes me worried and wonder what i can do to help them

[@Oscars.Weenie]

if my parents did this i fear that the geese in the walmart parking lot would have successfully distracted me long enough for the car to not miss

[@psycho-delicpyromaniac9595]

I cannot properly communicate how much I enjoy reading this comment

[@strangeaelurus]

REAL. Everyone else in my friend groups and family hate the geese, I think they're just little guys 😔

[@Oscars.Weenie]

@@strangeaelurus i mean i literally almost died because of them but sure i feel that way also

[@strangeaelurus]

@@Oscars.Weenie ok but it wasn't really _their_ fault

[@user-cq5gl1ri7q]

​@@strangeaeluruslittle guys with suspicious intentions...

[@JorkeyLovesU]

I attended to a Waldorf elementary school and I couldn't tell you how embarrassed I was when I entered a regular middle school and realized that sitting on the floor and singing while the teacher is speaking is not acceptable. I struggled to socialize because my experiences and behavior hardly aligned with the other kids' and several teachers contacted my parents to ask if I had some sort of intellectual disability. I didn't, I was just completely disconnected from societal norms. I can't imagine what these poor kids will go through when they eventually have to step outside and realize how the world actually works

[@rowan9884]

my friend also did waldorf and he had never used microsoft word when coming into high school EVER! like he had never used computers, didn't know how to take notes from a lesson, all this stuff that you need. luckily it didn't hold him back too much in the long run but even that little bit of unpreparedness still did some damage it didn't need to do. i can't even imagine these poor kids growing up not knowing how to do anything for themselves

[@WorldGoods]

They never gonna be able to get a job

[@Jane-oz7pp]

Waldorf? More like Walled Off

[@manonpavllptdr]

My little cousin went to a similar type of kindergarten. Once she had to join primary school, she was "late" compared to the other children regarding both basic knowledge and cognitive development. She had a hard time focusing, she lacked some vocabulary, because she was so used to the 'no rules" thing that was going on there... her parents paid money for this too, that's crazy.

[@spencerlively3049]

@@manonpavllptdr the saddest thing is falling behind in early education has serious ripple effects on the rest of your education. Even if they catch up to their peers in the short-term, that damage to their confidence can make them feel like they're naturally unintelligent, which makes it incredibly more difficult to challenge themselves academically if they believe they're not capable of getting good grades, taking AP classes, going to college, etc. The importance of early childhood education is so incredibly undervalued and underfunded in the US.

[@ChefJollyRoger]

The fact that she taught the kid about the "devoring parent" and does not see she is doing it makes me wana laugh and cry at the same time

[@brickonator]

Another way it sucks is that kid-led, inquiry-based learning IS a good thing and a lot of education programs would benefit from adding it a bit. It just can’t be the *only* thing.

[@jays6929]

Yes! My school is working on implementing some of these ideas, and while it’s a little rough right now, I genuinely enjoy it! Ppl who do this, however, are insane. You can’t put all the responsibility on a child to learn things they don’t even know exist

[@kitsterangel]

My district has implemented it and while it doesn't seem like a bad idea on paper, it's not well executed at all. I have a friend who is a second grade teacher and she has to teach them to write... A skill they should already have by then. And many aren't able to sit for the entire class bc they've never been made to sit until then. I do think it can be done properly, but you need strict guidelines on how to execute it so kids still learn :///

[@ic5889]

Exactly, and providing kids with a baseline of knowledge actually increases the amount of questions they can ask. I see it often while tutoring, kids will naturally ask questions about the material or relate aspects of it to their own life, (and ill ofc try to expand on that a little if i have the knowledge). I expect its even more common with materials they are good at/more interested in (so they don't need tutoring)

[@ryangriffin5362]

what many people either fail to understand or don't care about is that learning the foundational skills of virtually any task is not fun or interesting but you to do it to function in society. Like, learning the absolute basics of how to do math isn't necessarily fun but you definitely need to know how to do fucking arithmetic.

[@mashadarii]

My 5th grade teacher believed in something similar to this. And I guess it was maybe some sort of advanced class, I dunno. But she would have lecture time a couple times a day to go over required material but she had a list of all the school work that needed to be done in a school day written on the board and it was up to you when/how you got it done. Was rad. I got so much more time to read books as I wasn't being slowed down by the other kids in class I could tear through the school work, get my homework done at school, then read my books. The next best similar situation was getting detention for beating up the kids bullying my friend. I could get the whole school day's worth of work done in about an hour and a half. Made the transition to University so much easier, lol.

[@whoami.24601]

As a non-US citizen I still can’t believe it’s legal to do this. It’s genuinely child abuse to tie your child to yourself and deprive them of participation in society and not teach them skills they’ll need to survive in the world. Genuinely horrifying.

[@netcat3000]

My thoughts exactly. I knew you could homeschool a child for no reason in the U.S., but I would have thought they'd at least make the child take a test every semester to check if this does not have a negative impact on their education.

[@Vankaskan]

@@netcat3000 I was home-schooled for middle school, but unlike this "unschooling" stuff, we actually used curriculum books (though there weren't semester tests)

[@whatzittooyah9182]

I’m a US citizen and I agree with you. This SHOULD be illegal. Unfortunately these people found a loophole and have tied educational neglect to their right to religious freedom. Well, frankly, if your alleged “religious beliefs” prevent you from wanting your child to have an education, then your religion sucks and should be abolished.

[@csqd7445]

In Sweden you have to go to school until you are 15 and finished 9th grade by law. If you try to homeschool social services will just take the kid away from the abuse.

[@magicpaperbox]

In Poland you can do homeschooling but you have to pass exams at the end of semester anyway.

[@Mr.-Roybot]

That one woman that said she's putting her kids in any and every sport because now they'll have the time for it...did she forget that kids' sports are during after school hours and the weekends?

[@SB-vv2bl]

Right! I was thinking the same thing. Who are they supposed to play soccer, football, volleyball, etc with?

[@gregoryvn3]

You have already put more thought into it than any of these parents have.

[@lukeandrew3335]

@@gregoryvn3 These parents have dripdrop brain, its a side effect of the platform they are on.

[@helenawing1689]

When I was in high school, I took a class where I visited the elementary school and mentored kids. They often had “stations” where they learned a different skill like writing letters or identifying simple pictures to practice their spelling. And one of them was FINE MOTOR SKILLS. They would work on their balance and hand eye coordination skills. So this mother claims that she’s teaching her children things they wouldn’t be taught in school but from my experience school does teach these things as well in addition to scholarly subjects LMAO😭😭

[@gabster2049]

“But their beliefs will come from someone other than me” yes mam that is saying the quiet part out loud yes

[@Cinnamonciwbejssjsk]

Jfc the mother is an inspiring cult leader. I hope the kid eventually escapes her or she actually grows a rational brain.

[@NatetheSensitivePlant]

We should still respect a parent's right to shelter their kids. There is a lot in the world that they don't need to know about yet.

[@bunnyheartsweet]

@@NatetheSensitivePlantThe problem is that it’s important for young kids to take in information from all sides to stuff so they can come to the conclusion of what opinion they have on something by themselves rather than just being a carbon copy of their parents so that they can learn and understand the world better. Not Letting your kid be educated by and being around other people isn’t “”sheltering”” them, it’s possessive, isolating & egotistical behaviour. There’s a difference between letting your kid explore the world and their peers safely and just straight up isolating them.

[@diediedice]

​@@NatetheSensitivePlant There's a difference between watching over the safety of your kid and sheltering them away from life itself though

[@whatzittooyah9182]

@@NatetheSensitivePlantNo. That leaves your kid fully unprepared for the real world when they set out on their own. Don’t let your 8-year old have unmonitored internet access, sure, but your child needs to be well-rounded and thus should be exposed to people of all backgrounds and perspectives in order to be a successful citizen in society.

[@GenderfaeCrab]

This is one step away from just pushing little timmy into the woods and hoping he learns to fend for himself.

[@KnivesTheLesbian]

might as well be 💀

[@ursidae97]

One step BELOW. it's pushing little Timmy into a normal suburban bedroom and hoping he learns to fend for himself in the woods.

[@toomanyopinions8353]

Kid would learn far more that way.

[@janjanbinks1710]

This is locking little Timmy up in a tower (a beige, suburban bedroom) forever and ever so the evil forces (his peers and teachers and anyone who isn't mommy dearest) will not influence him to be his own person

[@mashadarii]

The anthropologists say that a human of 9 years old can survive pretty much alone in the wild. That's what I remember being told. I remember thinking it was crazy. So keep in mind that I could have been lied to or am just stupid and misunderstood what they were trying to say.

[@Sue-rs1zq]

11:44 u dont have time to do a 5s signature ?? bfr

[@ZAWMBITE]

unschooling is probably the worst idea i've heard of. these kids going to be our future 😭😭

[@Flauviexxo]

Exactly like 💀

[@Flauviexxo]

@@FionavanDahl wait what 💀

[@phantomskadi]

idk as an unschooler it's been fine for me

[@Acheron-IX]

@@phantomskadiyour probably just Homeschooled

[@Yuxi_lixiii.]

I haven't even finished the video, but it already sounds bad, I was thinking it was trying to make kids dumb but prob not

[@AdamOfIngolstadt]

I was "unschooled" from ages 7-12, and I just want to share my experience: -both my parents worked full time, so I was alone all day -I didn't know how to cook -I constantly thought I was stupid for not being in school, and I felt inferior to my peers -I didn't see anyone my age for about 5 years -I did not learn anything -It's something I still am actively discussing with multiple therapists and caused a lot of trauma for me and my sibling

[@Sabianbird]

Feeling stupid for not knowing things you were SUPPOSED to be taught is very real, I’m sorry you relate too. Thankfully it’s not impossible to get back on track, it just takes a long, long while

[@HowManySmall]

Despite all that dumbass shit you came out fine so good job bro proud of you 🙏

[@TheSezdawg]

I mean that's literally just neglect

[@Daybreaker1211]

Damn I’m so happy that you’re getting help for that now, that really sucks

[@jormunganfan]

Sorry, but that isnt unschooling, that is just neglect. Dont label neglect as something else.

[@YohOkayNow]

I would like to recommend un-parenting. It's this cool new thing where the CPS takes your kid from you for being so irresponsible with their future.

[@er444y2k]

Underrated 😂

[@thtautisticgamer]

real

[@bluebattlewagon]

💯

[@lalaelena]

Oh damn 😂😢 quite the come back

[@amilcarcampbell2405]

Oh boy would that be something. People actually facing consequences for creating unfit individuals (which other people will inevitably have to deal with one way or another).

[@GravitasZero]

I used to have a friend that looked down on real education. He said he distrusted people who went to college… This mounting modern anti-intellectualism has to go PS: I’m the one that burned bridges after he kept pushing me for years with his arrogant stupidity (DK effect was in full blast with him). I tried to be friends with him, tried to change subjects to talk about things I knew he liked but weren’t political or ideological in nature (since his ideologies were getting more twisted by the day)… but he would insist and always bring it back. When I used informed opinions to counter him, he’d say “well agree to disagree”… then he’d come back around a few weeks later, as if he’d forgotten our conversations about the subject. Dude was so desperate to keep onto his opinions that he accused me of not actually having a real opinion because I based it on what others said and wrote… you know, what would normally be called having an informed opinion… he said I should just listen to the guy we were fighting about. I told him I already did and just didn’t want to let that trojan horse into my life… then I told him I just wanted to talk about other things. Let’s just say he kinda had a small meltdown when I said I didn’t want to stay on the subject… so I burned bridges, blocking him and saying goodbye for good this time (he’d ghosted me for like almost a year for basically the same reason until he came crawling back… he told me he had done that *for me* (coming back to talk) before I basically told him to F off a few days ago). At a certain point people are too far gone, no matter how much you try (I wasn’t even trying to convince him by the end, just wanted us to move on to other subjects).

[@whatzittooyah9182]

All of these unschooling moms being MLM scammers tracks. I can’t explain exactly how, but it tracks.

[@helldad4689]

No you're definitely cooking here. There is a specific kind of stupid person who will fail miserably at a task after giving it 0% effort, and conclude that since THEY are obviously smart, the task must be the stupid one for existing. Those kinds of people do really bad at school and get a chip on their shoulder about it, and also happen to be absolute chum for the MLM sharks. Like MLM recruitment rhetoric is always targeting people who want a shortcut to money that lets them avoid the "9-5/wage slave existence" despite not having any real skills or talents that qualify them for anything better.

[@its.me.mj.anotherone]

It's the entrepreneurship thing. Want to set a good example for kids and have "flexibility" and "make extra money for your family", except that it's actually almost impossible to turn a profit that way. (If she is, it's because she's on it 24/7 and the quick "shh" moment says everythingggg.) But yeah, not enough time to run your business if you have to take a kid to school AND check their homework!?! The humanity!!! 🤦🏻

[@EmyN]

Cause this is child abuse and MLM owners have no souls

[@timdavis97]

The fact that she was saying technique about her child cutting carrots when I've seen that "technique" slice open fingers because they don't bend their fingers while cutting. Insane

[@scarlettptheoriginal]

That's exactly what I was thinking!

[@omfgitsfat]

I was yelling at them to curl their fingers the entire time

[@waverlyaltis7171]

In middle school I took a home ed class and curling our fingers was the first thing we learned when working with knives. That class also taught me valuable sewing skills, like how to sew on a button. I know not all schools have a home ed class, but it shows a kid can learn valuable life skills in a school setting.

[@jordishima]

Not even using the right knife. She’s clearly trying to rock it back and forth (likely because she’s *fortunately* smart enough to learn from observing), and that straight blade isn’t allowing her to do that.

[@niaram]

it’s insane she’s allowing a child to use a actual knife like that. like i’ve seen plenty of ppl who allow their kids to cook, but typically the knives are dull or just made safer.

[@dustyragdollz]

As someone who was traditionally homeschooled and sheltered for my entire life, seeing parents say socializing isn't important fills me with so much rage. I have no idea how to talk to people and get so much anxiety from even the thought of being perceived. I have no idea how to get a job or how to be a functioning adult and am essentially having to teach myself how to live so I'm not completely boned if something happens to them. Not to mention I'm still grieving loosing so much of my life and missing out on so fucking much due to their over protectiveness and controlling behavior. You ARE NOT your child's friends. You are their parent. It is your responsibility to make sure they have the skills to survive in this world. They need kids their age to interact with so they can function in society, and, you know, NOT miss out on their childhood years because their parents decided to be clingy selfish aholes. --Not to mention keeping them from other people will limit their world view and make them reliant on their parents for political and social issues, which i don't think i need to explain why that's bad.

[@IDontEvenKnowWhatToPutThisAs]

Thank you for sharing! But yeah when that last parent spoke about how her kids can learn all the required social skills with their parents my first thought was, "that's a completely different dynamic". To put yourself as your child's first friend is important, but it'll NEVER be the same as the people they actively choose to hang out with.

[@dazzieee]

I can relate so much to this.

[@user-kx5en8dg7u]

eh, i was homeschooled with no socialization and it's really not that important. i think it's better as kids get up to a lot of trouble when they have friends or go to normal public school. the only thing you missed out on was getting into trouble. i do agree ur parents should have taught you life skills such as how to get a job and interviewing etc. i wasn't taught those either and learned on my own, however you don't need to socialize to learn, youtube is great for stuff like practicing interviews. the most important thing is education and preparing for a future career. friendship is very fleeting. kids from other countries that are successful don't have a huge focus on friendship and leisure like the usa and that's why they are more successful.

[@StrawberryCocoaPowder]

@@user-kx5en8dg7u Idk, though I'm autistic and I don't care to have many friends, humans are still social creatures, extroverted or introverted. A large majority of humans need people to interact with. That's why kids need other kids to be around, whether it's one kid or many.

[@DiligentThroat]

@@user-kx5en8dg7ulol, do you think that going to school makes someone a criminal? What “trouble” did you avoid? Most kids don’t get in trouble because they do their work, socialize, and go home. Your grammar and sentence structures aren’t doing you any favors either. I’d say I’m interested in how you think you’d ever create a family if you think friendship is meaningless, but we all know the answer isn’t realistic.

[@quicksanddiver]

This entire video is a masterpiece but the skit in the end was the cherry on top!