My First CAC Grading (CACG) Experience - Crackouts & Raw - How Did They Grade?

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[@TiHerr74]

That was a tough watch. Remind me not to submit any of my coins to CACG.

[@silverfoxfinance]

Lol, keep’s values high for cacg

[@tcore7]

Agreed. It was rough. I think all of the coins look nice!

[@WaRi-rd2we]

Every video I’ve watched on coins coming back from them have been tough to watch.

[@Coinflip23]

Oof. One thing is for sure, anyone that watches this video will think twice before sending their stuff to CACG. How you kept your composure with a touch of sarcasm is beyond me! 🤣

[@jonathanclaydon7594]

The sarcasm is the only way

[@Coinflip23]

@@jonathanclaydon7594 💯

[@MakeNumismaticsGreatAgain]

"I have a special skill set that's hard to replicate". 😂 I literally burst out laughing 🤣

[@jamesgoss1860]

That 55-DDO "scratch" is ridiculous. Even Angel Hernandez wouldn't call that

[@harrybond1485]

I agree.

[@alfredparsons6811]

Gerry Fortin sent 11 Seated Dimes that were crack outs to CACG for grading. All straight graded by PCGS and NGC. Eight of the eleven came back details. I wouldn’t send CACG anything to be graded.

[@JohnD357]

Thanks Ben for proving that CACG is more variable than either PCGS or NGC. They tell you the 09-S VDB is polished, but then return it in a body bag instead of authenticating it and calling it "polished"? That's crazy. If CACG continues with this level of variability, their business will likely tank because nobody wants all their coins to be called crap when they're not.

[@davidvandebrake8454]

There's nothing worse then getting a body bag back when it just had a grade makes no sense.

[@MrGabe203]

@@davidvandebrake8454🤦🏻 hence why CAC was created in the first place, to show which coins are true to the grade/strong with NO problems, clearly lots of people don’t know how to grade coins in these comments lol. You realize there’s tons of dog coins in holders that aren’t even remotely close to the grade or have been cleaned with problems etc. great way to show you just buy the holder and not the coin lmao you should take an ANA seminar and not relay off slab companies lol

[@RetroHabit82]

​@@MrGabe203you ain't wrong

[@angryjalapeno]

I bet NGC and PCGS are even more variable. That's why dealers constantly crack out and resubmit.

[@Amazingcoins4you]

Like the slabs. But I will stick with pcgs. Great video.

[@TiHerr74]

CACG reminds me of my freshman college English professor. He had just graduated and our class was his very first teaching position. He arrived with high ideals and an unrealistic grading curve. He was gone within a year. I hope CACG doesn’t suffer the same fate. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not looking for artifically high grades from a basement slabber but I’m also not looking to set some new standard at my expense.

[@louissutton2994]

Ben do a video with cracking out cac stickered coins send to cacg and show new grades for fun

[@adamjkel7]

That’ll most definitely expose CACG as the frauds they are. JA had it easy stickering graded slabs.. now that he has to do it all from scratch, it’s evident that he isn’t very good! All hype!!

[@silverfoxfinance]

That hurt to watch Ben, RIP future CACG submissions.

[@surfatone1986]

Thanks for sharing these first looks at CACG with us Ben. It's going to be real interesting how all this plays out - including he future of the legacy"+" grades! The end of the video is an instant classic. I had to call my wife downstairs to replay it for her. She may never allow me to send coins in for regrades again!!!

[@somethingwitty44]

Oh, that's funny. My uncle gave me his coin collection and there were a couple rolls that he wrote bu or beautiful. And they were super beautiful, I've never seen a shiny wheat back before Any way most were like that one from 1955 with all the extra numbers and letters or double struck. I'm super new to it all, but is he saying that that one from 1955 is worth money? Ha! Right. That'd be the day. Anyway, loved the video! Just subscribed!

[@TheCoinGeek]

Thanks for joining us. I hope you learn a lot .

[@somethingwitty44]

@@TheCoinGeek I didn't fool ya, hu? I figured a BU roll of '55 DDOs was a bit over the top. But, I bet there was still a sliver of hope in your heart. Yes, I am learning a lot. Actually, more than regular coin channels. Thank you.

[@MayhemInMayberry]

Dry Sarcasm Perfected! Thank you for sharing lessons learned.

[@asheland_numismatics]

The more coins, I see, the more I like their holders.

[@MakeNumismaticsGreatAgain]

CACG may actually do some good for the hobby. It will force people to get back to enjoying the coins and not worry about getting an unobtainable grade - because it appears that you won't get it 😂

[@asheland_numismatics]

Very interesting grading results between the three! I like all three equally pretty much.

[@swilliams937]

That '81-S is positively gorgeous. Love that reverse. 😍

[@SilverWalker84]

Alot of coins are more valuable due to "the story" behind them. The triple downgrade story is not one of these😂. Awesome content as always 🥈🥇

[@johnhanaly2943]

You have a good sense of humor.

[@psilocybemusashi]

coin geek you are getting crushed my man. i'm not surprised about any of these including the one that got upgraded.

[@robertscagnelli1011]

After watching this, I will not send my coins to CAC! Thankyou Ben!

[@coinstruck6079]

Wow that was tough. Ben you are a very calm guy but I could sense the simmering tension in your voice. Steer clear of CAC.

[@flower2289]

It is nice to see that all the grading services are giving coins the exact same grade. Yeehah!!!!!

[@jamesgossweiler1349]

First, the dealers graded. Then, grading companies graded. Next, a grading company graded grading company's grades with a sticker. Now, a grading company grader that graded grading company's grades with a sticker is now grading themselves. I wonder...will there be a company that grades with a sticker the grading company's graded coins that used to grade grading company's coins with a sticker?

[@tomtalley2192]

Awesome!!!

[@pawpatrolnews]

Coin-ception

[@Golden.Silver.Conquistador]

That - as you eloquently state, is the million dollar question my friend.

[@PRS-qh5jf]

Stop please or I'll have to go take a Dramamine.

[@pennyondime95]

Buy the Coin Not the Holder ! Be knowledgeable Not all in Plastic are Genuine and vary Valuable...All Regular Common Coin are Easy to Counterfeit vs UNIQUE Coin that impossible to have a Twin.. All Doubled Denomination 11c are UNIQUE except Mule 11c that intentional created by Faker..

[@Ontario100]

Interesting to see the CAC opinions. Sorry about the mixed results. I appreciate videos like this!

[@richardnathandaniels2534]

Oh man...that was harsh. I love that you don't just show your wins! It really helps me learn. Will you be sending any more into CACG?

[@Anonymous-a-hole]

What are you talking about? there were several that were "wins" where the coin upgraded numberically (peace dollar) or from a details holder (cbh)

[@davidvandebrake8454]

The bust dime has a strike thru on the face . U can see the shield lines I can't believe you didn't get it vam checked . It's always a gamble when sending coins in for re-gradeing you really gotta love the coin to do so or it's gotta be darn good looking . I really thought the 1881 was gonna be atleast 65PL that coin was beautiful Ben. Love the videos.

[@57Koba]

This video proves beyond a shadow of a doubt a maxim we have all heard a thousand times: Grading is subjective.

[@wi.dave3812]

Wow😮 an education for us at your expense, thank you

[@jeffreyarbogast4735]

Most interesting . . and I have forwarded the vid to several numismatists. The 'jury' . . . is 'out'. Where CACG will fall into the grading spectrum is going to take an inexorably long time to ascertain. We all have the downside of 'small sample size opinions' . . . based on a coin or two we have received, regardless of service or tier, but there seem to be more and more opinions, and now hard evidence (you are superb at that element!!!) that CAC is going to make things quite interesting. Ultimately, the grading spectrum comes down to this . . . "Is it market acceptable at the grade and modifiers listed on the holder?" Really, if CAC is just going to certify as original a small percentage of coins that went from the mint bag to a small velvet-lined coin purse, singly, to be spent once or twice in a cigar-bar by an erudite gentleman in a smoking jacket, then lovingly placed into a B. Max Mehl stitched bag with fountain-pen script across the exterior envelope, then I guess that is how we find the absolute premium coins for the grade. Now . . . if that twice-spent coin comes back XF40. or worse, XF40 'Details' (wiped, cleaned, or otherwise not physically observed every second since it left the mint bag), then Houston . . . . . . . .we have a problem.

[@silverfoxfinance]

Lol master of words

[@silvermountain467]

I’m sure when they had the ‘55 DDO at 100X on a HD large screen that scratch looked like the Mariana Trench. LOL

[@TheCoinGeek]

So now we can learn geography too!

[@sonnygunz9207]

I figured CACG was going to be tough, I didn’t figure they’d be inconsistent. Maybe that was a one-off… It’ll be fun to see how this all shakes out. I love seeing the same coin going from TPG to TPG to TPG to TPG and back again… getting different grades every time. Appreciate the video.

[@Anonymous-a-hole]

In what way was CACG inconsistent? If anything this just displayed the inconsistency of PCGS/NGC. Especially with the CBH that went from P62- N58- Pdetails - Ndetails- CACG 58

[@don951]

Ouch! Thanks for taking one for the team. I would definitely hold off until CACG can get their service dialed in. It is early days, but this doesn't exactly encourage people to use their service. Cheers!

[@MichaelC_22]

Yikes. Doing the dirty work so we don't have to. We all appreciate the sacrifice. At least you got one score with the Peace Dollar.

[@michaelgoodspeed846]

Hi Ben - May I suggest that yo have "Guido" standing by the grader when they grade your coins!!!!! Those are still some terrific coins - the S VDB - HMMMMM!!!!

[@PaulLorenzini-ny2yw]

As a relatively new collector that has been binge watching coin channels on KZbin in order the educate myself, the more I am convinced that coin grading is something I will never subject my coins to, it's just to inconsistent.

[@daysgobye]

I appreciate your sense of humor, Ben. Gags galore! Also, you've perfected your crackout coin segments. On the flip side you got rocked on that "scratched" 1955 DDO and that morgan should have been a PL. Better luck mext time.

[@StunningCoinage787]

Yes that Morgan is a smoker! I once owned it too. I want it back!! And I want it back in the holder it deserves. I’ve honestly never held another coin with as blistering luster as the cheek on that one. Plus that reverse being more like a straight proof. That coin is ultra under graded now and absolutely deserves a 66 or 66+ holder and 100% proof like designation. All the companies have become way too hard on the 81-S (and company)

[@phillipthiebjord]

Interesting results. Thanks for sharing. 😎👍

[@robertpenn4387]

Ben, don't forget the sharp clashed die on the obverse of the 1831 10 cent coin 🧐

[@nancyfreehafer7154]

I'm learning from these type of videos, don't crack them out to submit for a new, updated, better grade. It is always greener on the other side, but never when you get there!

[@TheCoinGeek]

This is a good lesson

[@kitnye5729]

WOW Geek you have finally been CAC,ED ,looked like alot of fun. Those guys seem to be a bunch of tough Hombres. Take your money and run lol. Have a nice day .

[@TheSteveBoyd]

29th! I paused at 3 minutes to make this prediction: They're going to be annoyingly strict on their grades. I wonder if I'm right. 🤔 Let's watch, shall we?

[@linneisenhower2571]

Fascinating business model you have there, Ben. Submit to oblivion ! Just when do you close shop ? Lol 😂

[@jamesgoss1860]

"That was originally in a I Can't Grade holder" 🤣

[@aaronwitten]

"Win some, lose most." -- Should be the motto for ALL grading companies. 🤣

[@deweyoxburger295]

CAC should provide a complimentary vomit bag.

[@cgcoins3639]

I totally agree!

[@signofthestigmata]

Thanks, Ben!

[@michaelboone-kq4ir]

I was considering sending several high value coins to a CACG until I talked with one of my coin dealer friends. I told him that it would seem to make more sense to go straight to CACG rather than start with PCGS and then go to CACG. He said that’s undoubtedly what CACG wants you do but be prepared to receive the worse possible grade or no grade. I think I’m glad to have avoided CACG based on your submission. It appears that coins that don’t sticker may be considered details coins and not just subpar.

[@rozanne110]

Congrats on finally getting that 1835 straight grade back 😆😂

[@stanhartman6662]

Added S

[@DanielHughes-rf2yf]

11:40 I have been here through every crack out and everytime I was just as shocked. That's a nice coin and they were really tough on it.

[@MoDzAudio]

That Bust Dime is freaking gorgeous. It's the only Dime I don't have and figure I would never get at a steal of a price.

[@EmptyWilbur]

Dang! Did NGC and PCGS send your name and number to CAC!? The amount of details grades you get back is insane!!! On a separate note, I don't like the placement of the CAC sticker looking emblem on the labels. I thought the first one had a CAC sticker on the holder until I saw they all had the same emblem......it is rather misleading I think.

[@CertifiedPre33]

You should have waited to upload this on the 31st.. it was absolutely terrifying 😳

[@chadbenner6316]

Well, I guess that’s one way to reduce your grading workload and get those turnaround times down…. I’m sure they will be accepting new memberships again soon! Tough stuff!!! Thank you for presenting the carnage for all The World to see.

[@joeybeamon2828]

Wow.... I'm lost for words.

[@typeviic1]

LOL!! Free advertising for PCGS, NGC, and ANACS.

[@morgansinner]

Oh my goodness, the $$ were just fleeting with every new submission on the 1835 .50c piece... like thousands😮😮, I know.. it hurts. I shant repeat it again 😊 .So sorry that happened.

[@nicolasmorabito7950]

LETS GO NEW COINGEEK VIDEO 🎉🎉🎉

[@nicolasmorabito7950]

Also where’s my trophy

[@kaynef6637]

We have a Weiner 🎉🎉🎉😂

[@donaldinnewmexico]

DISQUALIFIED 🦉

[@morgansinner]

😝....ok, fine. HERE....🥇😀. 😁

[@morgansinner]

@@nicolasmorabito7950 I forgot the trophy 🏆

[@nicholasdeeg5842]

Im sad that bust dime sold already I really wanted it lol great content tho keep up the good work

[@topfuelfan]

Brutal, Ouch !

[@BryanHooper]

Probably not going to be sending anything into CACG seems they are a little nitpicky

[@schof_]

If your submission had this many losses, I can only imagine what mine would be like

[@zzyzxRDFwy15]

If they could , the coin grading companies would pull your pants down and leave you on the side of the road if it would keep their grading stats looking good.

[@borisperez3129]

Ouch no bueno. El Paso on cacg, watch and see more. Now I can see a couple being called cleaned, but as you point out at this stage, a lot of coins are cleaned, so long as it’s not harshly is the most important word in here imo. Thanks Geek

[@brphillips3]

And just like that CACG became 2nd tier grading 😂

[@cgcoins3639]

Another thought Ben... maybe when sending to CACG, mark the box, do not holder genuine, if that's available!

[@radratcomics]

I like how that half kept coming back UNC details instead of AU details, but could never straight grade as UNC after all of those attempts

[@MattMorris481]

I know an older guy that worked for a grading company for 15 years I showed him that 1881-s Morgan and he said that is definitely PROOF LIKE.

[@SelfRescueSurvival]

Glad I watched this vid, I was planning on sending a ton of high grade coins to cac but not now, no frikin way. They would probably give a details grade for a spec of dust on a coin, frikin rediculous and I thought pcgs was bad, dang!

[@EricBynog-zd4rd]

The crazy part is witter coin is not having any issues getting his CACG coins graded perfectly but in all seriousness this only goes to my point if your not in the club or tax bracket you will suddenly have scratches or wipe marks or something wrong with your coin it will be graded to a level that would exclude most coins out there the way CACG grades coins does not make sense to me and I would be willing to bet if a different person cracks those coins out sends into CACG they would suddenly get different results and also how do they come up with prices on CACG graded coins since there has never been any I found some buffalo nickel CACG priced way above ngc or pcgs coins in same grade and I mean 40 percent more how and why it is almost like they throw on wall see what will stick and that my friends is what does not make sense to me and new collectors thanks eric

[@rsl6767]

Hey Ben, I was excited when I saw the 81s on this episode... since we've both now owned the coin twice. I personally was always skeptical about the PL on the obv., but I agree with you that the rev. is 67,68.. and the obv. is a solid 66. Was tough to watch. Stay strong my friend.

[@marcaustin]

I'd like to own it next please

[@T.W.goodguy]

That's why I don't so much believe in grading. Im new to coins, and like just stacking silver,for my Grand kids. But I like shiny old coins.🤠☮️✌️

[@michaelgoodspeed846]

So Ben are we going to have a first response completion???????????????????????

[@expatstacker3838]

Remind me not to submit to CACG… I wonder if their standards will adjust if their grading services don’t take off

[@sam7687-i9b]

I think the cac grading was spot on hope the consistency stays. It seems to be in line more with uk grading standards which is more strict in terms of grade boundaries . Good watch intresting.

[@typeviic1]

lmfao

[@jeb8413]

The 1831 10c bust has a clash near its ear.

[@MakeNumismaticsGreatAgain]

CACG will be known as a coin's "final resting place". And not in a good way.

[@typeviic1]

Wow,....even ANACS would have put that 1909-S VDB into their holder as "Details Polished"

[@MarkB3h]

I don't understand why that Lincoln cent was not put into a details holder. It only makes sense to send back a body bag if they can't authenticate the coin as genuine. Otherwise though it seems like CACG is making broad use of details grades and net grades to reflect what third party graded coins they would put a green sticker on.

[@vm.999]

excellent!

[@MegaSilverStacker]

No CACG For this guy

[@weststephan5253]

I’ll pass on CAC grading. Grading versus grading an already graded item are two different talents. CAC only seems to be at one of those!

[@evenruderanger7617]

THIS IS AN UNDERRATED TRUE COMMENT

[@evenruderanger7617]

It is much easier to judge whether an ms64 is better than the average ms64, it’s much more difficult to accurately grade raw coins with all the different designations

[@martin-fc4kk]

well done CACG!

[@donaldinnewmexico]

Hi Ben. The 1881 Morgan is THE Morgan Radar Date. SCRATCH!!! I like the 1831 dime. What is that object in front of the ear, below the curl? You should send that 1835 Half Dollar to ANACS. 🦉

[@johnlove5079]

Just agonizing and like a previous comment, I won't consider sending coins to CACS 😢

[@667hodge]

Wow,I literally feel bad for you bro.I am curious as to the qualifications of their graders

[@667hodge]

BTW, did you get my package in the mail?

[@jamesgoss1860]

How come no one bothers to differentiate the 1935-S Peace dollars? They have distinct reverses, one being '4 rays beneath One' like the High Relief does.

[@kevinpoggensee]

Can't assign consistent grades....cacg

[@adamjkel7]

Spot-On! 🙂👍👍

[@platinumskies7968]

All the grading companies should be called cacg

[@tomgrimes8379]

The most revealing grading service video I've seen. That 1835 50-cent stunner being the most telling. I was under the illusion that there was some science behind professional grading services. But there doesn't appear to be much of anything there. There's too much error variance at play. In a way, I wish I hadn't seen this edition of TheCoinGeek. Were I in your line of work, I would be especially disappointed. The huge deviations both between grading services (NGC vs CAC vs PCGS of a single coin) and within a grading service (PCGS at evaluation 1 vs PCGS at evaluation 2 of the same coin) must shake your faith in the science of grading as well.

[@ratsalat4968]

We are again demanding more Canadian content.

[@TheCoinGeek]

🍁 🇨🇦

[@TheCoinGeek]

When I get the right stuff baby’

[@stevedietrich8936]

Let's see, what did I learn today. Ben doesn't have much luck on submissions. Nope I already knew that. CACG seems awfully variable and unnecessarily pedantic in their evaluations and I'll stay away from CACG in the future.

[@thisismonitor4099]

I agree that the S VDB was polished, but have no idea why it wasn't very clearly stated. I have to say I mostly agree with CAC for everything else with the exception of the scratch that looks more like a hairline than anything else.

[@bl7121]

I have but one question after watching this video. Does CACG buy and sell coins?

[@StunningCoinage787]

I must chime in again. … First, and last time for CACG is my guess. I’ll never try them after seeing this video. Fact. Shame too…Furthermore proof to buy what you like and collect what you want. No single grading company or person is the authority. If you like it, buy it. Collect it. Enjoy it. Not everyone sees the same things in these coins. Love that you chose so many different series to attempt. Great overall display of what CACG is doing in comparison…Obviously not much to write home about. Shame. Had high hopes too. Glad the peace dollar got its appropriate grade. 64+ maybe woulda been a bit nicer. But hey, at least it got the four.

[@WilesPalladino]

Illuminating - thank you! As a collector and occasional seller, I will not likely ever submit to CACG. As a collector, I have historically been satisfied with submitting to their sticker service (via a dealer/member). As a buyer, I will not be reluctant to purchase a CACG coin, if the price is not crazy.

[@jeffw1267]

I bought a common date MS65 Morgan in a CACG holder a few weeks ago and I paid $180 at auction. I think it's a mid-range 65: no more and no less. For the price I was happy to get the coin in what I believe is a premium holder.

[@kevinpoggensee]

Hey Ben

[@14ch14]

The 1835 half tells you a ton about the grading companies

[@ZXC_ZXC1]

I suspect CACG will be very strict in their grading. Any slightest coin cleaning will give it a details grade. It will be up the same standard as CAC stickered coin. I sent one PCGS 1911-D $2.50 AU58 in for CAC stickering once and it was over graded by 3 grades and was actually an AU50. It had no luster.

[@Jinxster-lo1uy]

What scratch?