France's Counter-insurgent War against Algeria: Wreck of the Korso

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Our historical documentary series on the history of the Cold War continues with another video on the Algerian War. In this one w will talk about France's Counter-insurgent War against Algeria and the Wreck of the Korso
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[@greenkoopa]

David you're a gray haired sexual tyrannosaurus 🦖🐢🦖

[@tng2057]

The French love to mock the US for winning the battles losing the war in Vietnam. They did exactly that in Algeria in the preceding years. That’s why de Gaulle was so hated by the French Algerians. He was shouting Vive Algerie Francaise in Algeria in the late 50s and he ate his words in no time.

[@Jay-ho9io]

How can you mock somebody for losing a war that you've already lost? They lost in Vietnam before we did.

[@paillettecnc]

We don't love to mock the US for losing the war. However, we LOVE to mock them because we said them how it would unfold, thus mocking by saying "told 'ya". France warned the US that their little expedition was doomed to fail, but we got the "we're MUHRICA! We can't lose ! WE'RE INVINCIBLE ! WE WON WW2 !!!!". Yeah...

[@LearnandFun55]

The goal of the Algerians was not to win militarily but to force France to organize a referendum of autodetermination

[@yonniiisan]

@@LearnandFun55 when Algerian people believed in independence it was over for France in Algeria, since the large majority of the population there was Algerian...

[@Jay-ho9io]

@@paillettecnc ok. That's fair.

[@jean-huguesbitaamenye8785]

As much as the War in Algeria constitutes an important moment in the history of decolonization in Africa, most research overlook its impact on the rest of Francophone Africa, as the methods used by the SDECE were applied in other countries, such ad Cameroon. France waged a war against Cameroonian nationalists and soldiers were sent from Algeria to Cameroon to deal with the insurgency. It would be interesting to expand the research on these events.

[@thelondoner1526]

Omg, up !! I'd totally watch a video about that !

[@khaldrago911]

It’s no surprise the French are as reviled as they are in Africa (and elsewhere) when considering all the nasty stuff they’ve done over the years.

[@Zorglub1966]

@@thelondoner1526 Vous avez raison ça reste, même chez ceux qui s'intéressent au sujet, très algéro-franco centré, ou franco-algéro centré. A titre personnel, je ne m'étais jamais vraiment posé la question. You're right, even among those who are interested in the subject, it remains very Algerian-French-centric, or French-Algerian-centric. Personally, I had never really asked myself the question.

[@HVACSoldier]

I believe the Stern Gang did the booby trapped book trick to a British officer.

[@ngang1957]

the french archives on the war in my country of kamerun have not been opened yet. waiting for the day...

[@milotura6828]

When you look that the Algerian war you realize that it was,more than any other, a war of intelligence, and information. One thing very interesting about the,this maybe just a rumor, is that the Algerian rebel cells where usually just 3 or 5 guys. Each only knew the other two, and they received orders from other cells which didn’t know their names, only their groups name or unit. This meant when the french captured one insurgent they would only really get two others. Even then the Algerian rebels made vows to never tell the names of their friends until 28 hours had passed if need be. In this time, others would go in to hiding along with some of their family.

[@nadjiguemarful]

Yes the US Marine commentary on "Guerilla War" by Mao noted this and that it effectively blinded the French in Algeria and "they were stumbling through a sea of darkness with the eyes of their enemies on them from all angles"

[@nadjiguemarful]

@Gordon Freeman LMAO.. The French themselves in their own reports of the war wrote that "They were walking blind through incomprehensible darkness, being watched by a million enemy eyes".. They got absolutely no information from their tortures and never were able to discern leadership of the FLN. They resorted to terrorism against European government officials.. And then they had to run away back to france. You Europeans have very strange ideas of Victory, thats why NATO is still saying Ukraine is beating Russia lol. You people have strange logic maybe its too deep for me to understand.

[@robina.9402]

I love that you guys searched for info on the unnamed ship! I've been watching since the series was only a couple episodes in, and thank you for the dedication to research.

[@konstantin8824]

A video covering the topic of Soviet foreign trade would be great. - Imports and Exports - Shipping Across Land, Air and Sea - Prices and Rates of Exchange - Percentage of the Soviet Union’s Economy - so on and so on

[@lexington476]

You would think with that many assassinations and bombings, the people that were being targeted might have been a lot more cautious.

[@MrTStat]

people used to be a lot more brave, nowadays "OMG IT IS TOO SUNNY TODAY I'M NOT GOING OUT!!"

[@lexington476]

@@MrTStat that makes sense, in the 50s and early 60s like this video covers, most of those people would have been World War 2 veterans.

[@samwill7259]

@@MrTStat I mean, is it really "brave" if that "bravery" keeps getting your leaders shot? When there's snipers about maybe taking some steps to protect yourself isn't uncalled for. Brass balls are nice but they don't stop a sniper round.

[@seanhastings4432]

It was a different time. People weren’t used to terrorism and were stuck in their antiquated, outdated ways. Just human nature.

[@adammazeli]

They did become more coutious. But you must remember assasinatio only need to work 1 time while protection against must work all the time

[@jackhuge6054]

After the Algerian revolution, France granted independence to 14 African countries. African soldiers from its colonies participated in the extermination of the Algerians. In 7 years, we took independence with our blood and our martyrs. French planes were killing Algerians, children, women and the elderly.

[@Roachh2877]

Glory to Algeria.

[@joereilly1519]

One also must remember that there were a lot of Algerians who fought on the French side. I remember a case that I read about, where there were these Algerian Scouts, whose units patrolled an area of Algeria near the coast. There were some farms owned by French Algerians in the area, these scouts became close to a family and their little girl. One day the Algerian Rebels attacked the farm, and killed the family, they used a tin can lid to cut the little girls throat. The Scouts when they discovered the massacre site, became enraged and tracked the rebels for miles, when they caught up to them, the scouts tortured them for hours, took their time killing them, to the point that the French troops became nauseous. The whole conflict was a tragedy, it could have been avoided, but France wanted to hang on to here possessions to appear to be a world power. What a waste.

[@firasajoury7813]

@@joereilly1519 a lot you mean the French living in Algeria 😂

[@smhorse]

There's quite a good Netflix comedy series about this period, entitled "Au Service de la France" - it's played for laughs despite the undoubtedly grim background

[@AnEnemy100]

FYI The opening chronology is misleading as Setif & Guelma massacres are ignored creating impression that FLN just startled attacks in early 50’s out of nowhere. Also FLN were only one of a number of organisations fighting for independence.

[@dragenmaster5385]

aln was the organization fighting for independence

[@AnEnemy100]

@@dragenmaster5385 Indeed.

[@the19thcentury81]

ALN was the armed wing of the FLN.

[@newyorkcity76]

My father was veteran. I in independence war. Pass away in 2015

[@helloworld0609]

Fantastic investigative journalism.

[@henrimourant9855]

Wow excellent episode

[@myriaddsystems]

High quality analysis as usual...

[@Zorglub1966]

It was very interesting.

[@Mrgunsngear]

Thanks

[@benkamelmayssem5780]

Our ancestors Tunisian, Algerians, and Moroccans contributed to the battles to liberate France. they were awarded suppression... "La main rouge" those who assassinated Ferhat Hached the Founder of the Tunisian labour union UGTT " union général des travailleurs tunisiens".

[@greenkoopa]

White nations have much to answer for. America with the black people, UK with the Indians...no apology is enough but I work for a future where people can determine the fate of their own

[@greenkoopa]

@@epg96 gotta love them whatabouts. This video is about the French in Algeria, and so was the comment. Trump lost the election because he's a loser and nobody wanted him to be president. Then a bunch of butthurt babies tried to overthrow the government cause they didnt like being losers. They also failed at that.

[@houseplant1016]

@@epg96 whataboutism.

[@benkamelmayssem5780]

@@epg96 our language cannot be understood by arabs, ethnicity and science prove that. At least in my region, they couldn´t step in.

[@houseplant1016]

@@benkamelmayssem5780 It's just a stupid try to move the narrative again.

[@ciancooney5195]

It must be noted that the OAS did not try to oust de Gaulle in April 1961. Rather, it was a consortium of officers and several regular Army regiments, including the 1e REP (1st Foreign Para Regiment). Many members of the coup were not OAS members and surrendered after the failure of the coup (such as Generals Maurice Challe, Zeller and Commandant Hélie de St. Marc) while the more radical officers and enlisted continued the fight within the OAS.

[@paulceglinski3087]

Really good episode. Amazing that the French Army sucked in WW2, but they learned their lessons from the Gestapo very well.

[@pascal9055]

Most would say the army was fine. But the leadership… abysmal.

[@paulceglinski3087]

That too, but way too much money sunk into the ground (Maginot). Maybe better use of funds would have been to research better tanks and radios for same or maybe retiring (paying off) some General Officers.

[@rodchallis8031]

I wonder how many former Nazi's were in that post war French army.

[@paulceglinski3087]

@@rodchallis8031 Probably not many, but what of Vichy {ists(?)}. Petainists. ?

[@Zorglub1966]

@@rodchallis8031 the foreign legion was full of former axis soldiers, a lot of former SS too.

[@andyreznick]

Nice job connecting the dots on the Korso! Think you nailed it. One has to wonder why it was so sensitive it wasn't named in the records - or there again maybe just bureaucratic oversight?

[@TapaniMattila]

I'm a finn so this detail cought my attention. My bet would go to lazy bureucracy, but I also thought of two alternatives: 1) They targeted the wrong ship. 2) Either the soviets or the US was known to be behind the cargo.

[@tuturg7454]

Both my grandads served their military service in Algeria... None of them ever uttered a word about what happened there, even when asked repetivly... No wonder it is still a very tricky subject in France and Algeria ...

[@nadjiguemarful]

Not in Algeria my grandad told me everything he's a legend and he wasnt a r4pist like the french thats why we can talk about it lol

[@texenna]

@@nadjiguemarful yeah lol, they talk proudly of it. The french are ashamed because they lost raped and killed.

[@obfuscated3090]

The Morice Line demonstrated a properly picketed security barrier could be effective. Yom Kippur II demonstrated the most modern barrier must be effectively supplied with pickets, 24/7 fire support and QRFs near enough to react in time.

[@brokenbridge6316]

I still say Algeria was the French Vietnam. And I will happily argue for it any day. My compliments to all those who made this video a reality.

[@frankieseward8667]

They lost both Algeria and Vietnam. Hell, the wars were back to back.

[@brokenbridge6316]

@@frankieseward8667---Yes they did. But Algeria was worse for the French. That's what I'm attempting to say.

[@frankieseward8667]

@@brokenbridge6316 ah yeah. Vietnam you can argue it was overseas thousands of miles. But Algeria? Right across the Mediterranean. France had almost every advantage, but failed miserably.

[@Roachh2877]

@@frankieseward8667 France after WW1 has a terrible record in warfare

[@nadjiguemarful]

Thats just meaningless

[@MrBallefjongen]

OK, so here is some more background and som very intersting details concerning the ship Korsö: the following text is an interview with one of the surviving sailors. The text comes from a marine publication on marine matters concerning the Åland island. It was published in 2017 and I will provide just a Google translation. 60 years since Korsö exploded Published: 12:11 - 08 Nov 2017 | Jörgen Pettersson Over time, shipping conditions have often been quite tough and sometimes incomprehensible. In addition to storms and tricky navigation problems, there are also breakdowns that have never really been explained. One of them took place sixty years ago. Then the Gustaf Erikson-owned cargo ship M/S Korsö sank in just a few minutes after a mysterious explosion in the middle of the night on November 5, 1957. The ship was on its way from Bayonne in southwest France (where it docked) to Dakar in Senegal when a powerful explosion occurred amidships causing the ship to sink in just three minutes off Cabo Mondego on the Portuguese coast. Eight of the eleven in the crew managed to get to the lifeboat, while three people died. After thirteen hours, the crew in the lifeboat was rescued by the Turkish ship Nevsehir, which was traveling to the Black Sea. The rescued were landed in Ceuta, Spain, on the coast of North Africa. At the subsequent sea declaration in Mariehamn, the explosion was assumed to have been caused by a drift mine. That's the brief "official" explanation. One person who doesn't really believe in that theory is Åland resident Jarmo Farell, who was on the trip as a seventeen-year-old midshipman. In connection with the fiftieth anniversary of the sinking, he said to Nya Åland (see the full clip next to it): "How big do you think the probability was of going on mine out in the Atlantic?" According to Farell, the drama didn't start with the crash. It started a few trips earlier, when Korsö went out of Hankö with a cargo of weapons. - We were going to Palermo in Sicily, but got a counter order and went to Tangier in Morocco. When we got there, the entire French Foreign Legion stood with k-piste and received us. The cargo was seized. - How could the French know what we had in the cargo? But the ship was able to sail on without its cargo of weapons. Among other things, a trip was made to Dakar for fish and on the way up, Korsö went in and got on the line to Lisbon. - We didn't think much of it then, a barber came out and cut us and eventually we sailed on. But much later, a couple of us have thought about what we actually did to Lisbon. Because we did nothing at all there, neither loaded nor unloaded nor bunkered. On the way up from Dakar, Korsö was accompanied by a French military ship. Possibly it had also been included on the way down. Farell is now quite convinced that Korsö went to Lisbon to shake off the French. But when all this was happening, he didn't think much about those kinds of things. Not on who the weapons were intended for - there was concern in Algeria, which was trying to break free from France - or why the French kept the ship under surveillance, writes Nya Åland. The night itself when the ship sank was of course highly dramatic in many ways: Korsö was docked in Bayonne and departed on November 1, heading south. On the night of November 6, the weather was rough and they were off Portugal. The explosion, whatever its cause, occurred at 2 a.m. and was so powerful that the ship sank after only a few minutes. Farell was sent to coax those who were sleeping while first mate Stig Bergman tried to free the lifeboat. - It was he who saved our lives, says Jarmo Farell today. - He rushed directly to the lifeboat to loosen the lashings. But there was a huge wave, the ship stood on end and we fell forward. That time I was sure I was going to die. I remember thinking "what are mum and dad going to say now". But then he caught sight of the raft on the outside of the ship, grabbed it and climbed up. He also helped up the machinist Bengt Strandberg and a little later they got hold of the captain Gunnar Danielsson. These three spent the night on the raft. According to what Danielsson told the newspaper Åland shortly after returning home on November 11, the raft turned around twice during the night. Meanwhile, the lifeboat had floated up. A couple of the crewmen managed to turn it around and empty it and began collecting survivors. Two were found quite quickly. The first mate was sighted at 6 o'clock in the morning. He had rigged his own "raft" of a hatch, a lifebuoy and a lifebelt. And a little later they met on the raft with Farell, Strandberg and Danielsson. Three of the crew were never found. One of them was Farell's closest neighbour, Sigvard Vehmonen, 18 years old and also a light sailor. - Only 30 years later did Bergman tell what happened. Sigvard had hit the raft in the head when it flew into the lake. He died at once. The other two who remained were the midshipman Alphonse Sirrad and the mess attendant Aulis Tuominen. Of course, all this left traces in many ways for the entire crew. Jarmo Farell admits to Nya Åland that afterwards, for example, he doesn't enjoy swimming. There were no major debriefing efforts either. "But I've been at sea after that. And there was no question of crisis management at that time. Solveig Erikson offered us coffee and cake and that was fine," said Jarmo Farell to Nya Åland. One of the theories behind the sinking was that it was about secret weapons loads, but no evidence has ever been found: "Ludde (Ludvig) Lönnroth, ombudsman for the seamen's union, tried to research where the weapons were going, but the documents were classified. What he told me was that Kekkonen (the president at the time) had been classified and that the Minister of Defense had had to resign. You can understand that if the business was so serious that the papers were classified as secret, it was probably not a random mine we went on in the Atlantic," Farell tells Nya Åland. Here the article ends. I can post the link but it is very easy to find with just a simple Google search. Sheds some light on the matter, eh?

[@kainewest6308]

I don't wanna hear anymore about the French resistance in WW2 until people talk about what the French did in Vietnam and Africa

[@someguy7723]

Cry about it lol

[@curtisthomas2670]

The experience earned by the resistance/rebels/nationalists played a major role in the region and afar for decades after, plus the admiration and respect Algeria earned from its getting free of colonial oppressors, as Algeria went on to become a major host to insurgency, rebel, nationalist, guerilla and "terrist" groups from many parts of the world, with groups from Latin America, US, Africa, Asia, Pacific, British Isles/Ireland, running the gambit from far right to leftist to ethnic/tribal to religious fighters all trained in a host of "camps" in Algeria. The ANC, Black Panthers, Japanese Red Army, PLO, lRA passed through Algeria, even Australian Aboriginal and Native American groups were there. The Cubans, Soviets, Czechs, Libyans, East Germans all ran camps in Algeria. Many of the groups that planted the seeds of what was to become known as "lsIamc terrism" got their training in Algerian camps.

[@joereilly1519]

you forget that Algeria fought a civil war with Radical Islamic groups from 1992-2000, I think you have Algeria mixed up with Libya.

[@curtisthomas2670]

@@joereilly1519 No mix up at all

[@JonBrown-po7he]

Curious, were there any Algerian military incursions into France? I've often thought the idea of a small country, being agressed by a far larger country, might create quite a bit of helpful discord by visiting acts of pointed destruction upon the agressor country's war industries, infrastructure and it's populace. For example, if revolution era Americans had traveled to Glasgow, Scotland, and burned the British empire's ship building facilities there that could've dramatically diminished Britain's ability to bring troops to the new world.

[@legionpigsmack1153]

There were assassinations and some acts of sabotage, but the military effectiveness of the FLN was too poor to even sustain the fight in Algeria. The French defeated the FLN time and again, and by war's end, had basically eliminated it as a combat effective force. However, the cost was enormous, and the French had engaged in such brutal torture campaigns that most of the world had turned against them. So the French reluctantly withdrew, knowing a military success means nothing if the political war was lost. If there had been any attempt to land a force in France, they would have been cut to ribbons, and worldwide sentiment (which, as I mentioned, began to favor the Algerians) would have become muddled as to who was the bad guy. The political leadership of the FLN was quite astute, and they knew it was best to keep the fight in Algeria.

[@JonBrown-po7he]

@@legionpigsmack1153 Thanks for your informed, and experienced, response. As a kid raised in 60's America, France was, generally, thought of as a rather skanky Western power (behaved in morally callous manner).

[@sammaldo7449]

There have been several FLN attacks in France against the security forces. And also popular mobilizations of algerian diaspora and demonstrations to support his fight.

[@sammaldo7449]

@@legionpigsmack1153 Even weakened in mountains at the end of war, FLN transferred its forces to urban combat and attentats. This is why France continued to lose soldiers until the ceasefire. And French opinion continued to receive the news of coffins soldiers Even in mountains the situation was precarious for France because the FLN reconstituted its forces as soon as France raised its force in an area. Not sustainable.

[@nadjiguemarful]

There were demonstrations from Algerians in france but it wasnt ordered by anybody in Algeria it was spontanious and didnt reach anything more serious than a picketed protest against the Massacres, and one such protest became a massacre in Paris at the hands of French police.

[@28ebdh3udnav]

Since the end of the first cold war...

[@berkleystreetcapital3588]

In 1962 the French government of Charles de Gaulle originally ordered officials and army officers to prevent the Muslim loyalists from following the Pieds-Noirs and seeking refuge in metropolitan France. Called Harkis. Charles de Gaulle appears to have been indifferent to the plight of the Muslim loyalists who reported that the president remarked to one of their spokesmen "Eh bien ! vous souffrirez" ("Well then - you will suffer").

[@nadjiguemarful]

Yeah wtf did they expect lol

[@nadjiguemarful]

A million years of shame for them

[@berkleystreetcapital3588]

@@nadjiguemarful they were loyal to them for money and status probably or salary. French never treated Algerians as equals in Algeria or France.

[@nadjiguemarful]

@@berkleystreetcapital3588 Of course they were demonic lol

[@someguy7723]

@@nadjiguemarful lmao, cry about in your dirt house

[@samwill7259]

And what was it all for? Nothing. nothing at all. The France had nothing to lose and in the end they gained nothing. All they fought for was the "right" to oppress a nation that wasn't theirs to begin with. A war where one side fights for no purpose and the other side fights for the most basic principles of human freedom and determination.

[@stoneruler]

For the argument, France didnt see Algeria as a foreign nation. They saw it as part of their own territory, unlike other colonies. And there were quite a some local population that supported French rule.

[@samwill7259]

@@stoneruler No, the FRENCH people who had moved to the colony supported the French. The French SAID they treated it like a part of their nation, while treating the actual inhabitants, the black and muslim majority like a second class citizenry in their own country. The opinions of the Frenchmen in Algeria is immaterial. They don't count.

[@abdelkader9588]

@@samwill7259 No we are not black in algeria we are areb and berber

[@samwill7259]

@@abdelkader9588 Your own hang ups and complexes about "blackness" aside, my point was is that France never treated native Algerians as equal citizens in the first place.

[@abdelkader9588]

@@samwill7259 And Algerian native historically was never black. you should say in your 1st comment The Algerien native not The black And dont forget Do not mix the history of your country with Algeria.

[@chrishanneman1298]

And still no mention of Albert Camus. It's my understanding that as journalist, he covered this conflict very closely. Given that he was an Algerian born Frenchman. I love the work you good people do on this channel and look forward to every single video.

[@nadjiguemarful]

Nobody cares about him in Algeria at all.

[@ImadHadjersi]

@@nadjiguemarful talk for yourself, many love him. Such a misunderstood writer.

[@nadjiguemarful]

@@ImadHadjersi Many do, but he is not a representative of the Algerian spirit. The Algerian (Dziris) got their name from Zirids who were the ones to bring back the Maliki Madhab, which is connected to Andulusia civilization. Abd al Qadir was also a Maliki Scholar and thinker before he was a commander against the French army. Even Umar Mukhtar in Libya got his heritage in the Maliki Sufi schools in tlemcen, Algeria. The only Western writer who spoke about these things and understood them was Frederich Nietzsche, and also Emerson from America. If anything Nietzsche would have understood our National Character more than someone like Camus. But you can like whichever writer you want you are free.. But I just don't think he should be a representative of all Algeria like many Westerners believe.

[@ImadHadjersi]

@@nadjiguemarful yes I also get your point, however Camus never claimed to understand the whole algerian situation, he even said that the reason why he doesn't talk enough about the "arabs" was because he didn't understand them enough compared to other writers. However he fought for our rights on many occasions, which got him regularly in trouble with some french politicians and thinkers. I think the main reason why some algerians don't like him is because he said : "If I had to choose between freedom/liberty and my mother, I would choose my mother", and that's pure hypocrisy from them, not a single one of us would choose some sort of feedom over his parents.

[@nadjiguemarful]

@@ImadHadjersi Okay I get your point, he was obviously a good man especially compared to others of the time who saw this colonialism and imperialism as morally normal (and many do in the case of Palestine today). I have no problem with him really I just dont understand why Camus and Fanon are the face of our Revolution in Western circles lol but maybe because they can relate to them or something. Also, we didnt have to choose between our parents and freedom cause we all wanted our freedom.. Anyway Barak Allahu fik

[@bigsarge2085]

👍👍

[@zipu]

Ok, but why did they name a cargo ship after a small railroad suburb? (Korso, Finland)

[@-JA-]

👏👍

[@Zorglub1966]

About the SDECE it's said "SDEK"

[@yahougamer6287]

thanks

[@majcorbin]

[Q] When does a JOKE, become a DAD JOKE? [A] When it becomes, apparent you've just been IOWA DAD JOKED ( you're welcome)

[@joereilly1519]

My question is why was the Finnish ship sunk, what was her cargo? And she was sunk after leaving a French port. Another question what was the German reaction of ppl being killed by these covert actions on its territory.

[@steelydan146]

D@mn, somebody was busy in the late 50's

[@stevep5408]

I saw the movie. What I couldn't understand was how the French broke the militants in under 24 hrs. What did they do that was that effective so fast?

[@LearnandFun55]

The FLN allowed them to speak after 24 or 48 h because it would have time to change the plans

[@stevep5408]

@@LearnandFun55 the movie made it seem like the FLN was asking operatives to please hold out for 24 hrs. as if it was a hard thing to do?

[@hamaniaymen6007]

@@stevep5408 yes it is very hard when you are under heavy torture When you get drowned electrified cut your fingers your manhood when you have to sit on a cracked bottle when they harm kill torture your family and friends in front of you when they use hot knives to rip off your skin and much more

[@CavalierHorseman91]

All that murder for something that they never got to keep anyways. Pathetic.

[@reasoningthroughlife1277]

I agree, pointless violence on France's part. The story of the Italian child is heartbreaking.

[@Normalguy1690]

up for 9 hours and only 2k views something aint right.

[@benba8342]

I'd think it got demonetized for some animations.

[@user-ce7ri3yn9c]

The length and severity of attacks by both sides did not fade into memory after French granted independence, they continue to the present as elements of both sides claimed they were fighting for what belonged to "their country".

[@mreko-enriko7756]

There are still overseas land part of french country, like guyana and caledonia

[@djallalnamri1]

at the time the colonizers thought they were civilizers when they sent their worst specimens into the world which left no choice but to treat them the same way they treated those who were different from them .

[@JTA1961]

de~Gaulle of those people

[@loundja7098]

As Algerian I will Share how we study this specific era. France Promised Algerian to give them freedom if they fight besides it during world war 2 . After winning the war2 Algerians went out to celebrate but unfortunately 45000 were killed in the events of Khrata 8 May 1945. Algerians then realized that what has been taken by force will be back just by force and that was the slogan after so many years of political work they decided to found the ALN army. The work was done on two fronts political work was outside of Algeria. And the ALN inside Algeria. ALN had one politics towards Algerian either you are with the ALN otherwise you are a traitor with France there was no between that's what helped the Algerians throughout the country to be with ALN. ALN benefited from Algerians who fought in Europe they have learnt fighting techniques; knew what are the type of arms used....etc and they started using that against France . They started to be as savage as french . You kill I kill .. after just 2 years the majority of leaders of FLN were killed Algerians started to lose hope and that's when the leaders that were still alive started attacks again; the attacks were organized and they 'ade sure to attack at the same time because France was trying to say that these are just some bandits isolated attacks that's why they made sure to collaborate..... So many years of fight 90% of the leaders of FLN were assassinated; one andhalf million of Algerian as well. In the other hand the political front was winning these lead to some agreements. The last one was Evian agreements that lead to independence

[@aminebobo517]

كراس التاريخ في صفحة وحدة 🤣

Very intersting Video. I am now considering de pushing the Bell, dont want to blow up ! :)

[@JeepWrangler1957]

Yeah your hair may be more gray but at least it stayed😜

[@akagi007]

On one hand must appreciate the genius of Red Hand deception but, galactic BUT: I am curious what was a justification for state provided murders of arms dealers for example. In a case of terorists I could barely but I could imagine that assasination was last option left to stop harming innocent after all legal ways were used. But arms dealers, sailors and profesors? Teacher lived in Germany was killed because what? He verbally support independance? And sailors killed in sabotage? I bet my trousers that not every (if any) victim were aware there was some illegal cargo on a ship. To sabotage particular delivery of arms - ok, but blow up whole ship and kill crew in random time frame? Thats same as today some state decide to destroy huge cargo ship of Maersk or Kuhne Nagel with thousands of containers because few months before this ship had suspicius cargo in one box somewhere... And arms dealers? Did they something illegal? Yes? So why didnt provide intel to their home country and press them to some legal actions? If didnt work aproach them with regeuest to stop support terrorist or there were consequences... (and blow up cargo without harming people). maybe it was done, but even so, there is no right to any government to kill anybody if there is no immediate danger. For me it's horrifying that's such country as France was able to kill people with ease and without question and responsibility. I am not naive that's only case in the world but it doesn't mean its right.

[@blackfalcon1610]

Boy being an arms dealer seems like a dangerous occupation during this time.

[@carlbyronthompson]

DAmn, the French are sloppy. The child killed in Italy? Should never happen. Poor child and his family. :(

[@fasteddie9055]

It's quite obvious that the French were pretty good with underhanded operations against Algerian patriots . But when it came to defending their French homeland , it was all ''hands up'' in shameful unanswered surrender. (1940). The British had to rescue them as they ran in unorganized retreat into the Dunkirk quagmire. (1940). Things were so bad during the Indo China war (1945 - 1954) , that they had to use foreign troops (Algerians, colonized Vietnamese, Spaniards, Germans, Africans, etc, etc ) to do what Frenchmen were supposed to be doing for their own country. To top it off, the American government had to foot the military bill because the incompetent French government was too busy ''crying broke''.

[@curtisthomas2670]

4:44 you can't "win hearts and minds" whilst imposing land grabbing, apartheid, famine, racism, religious and racial and cultural oppression and discrimination etc upon a people.

[@jeambeam3173]

So ironic that French agent that survive Dachau would go on the act like a Nazi

[@firasajoury7813]

Goes to show you that the world is gray not white or black no one is entirely good especially Europeans they’re a special kind of evil

[@riadammari5782]

Algeria wins. France still taking L's until this day.

[@orpheonkatakrosmortarchoft4332]

Taking so much L that everytime a French president visit that failed countries people beg him for a visa lmao.

[@raybarry4307]

🤔 KZbin carnage. 🤔🤔🤔🤔Hummmmm

[@jackhuge6054]

It is not a war but a revolution. You must correct your words. The Algerians fought France with hand weapons, while France was supported by weapons, planes, tanks and support from NATO.

[@Marinealver]

0:49 Erotic Fiction Writers?

[@amogus694]

But why assassinate arms dealers? Can't you just offer them a better deal to buy their weapons?

[@Zorglub1966]

I guess it was also to prevent other guys to deal with the FLN (and spare taxpayers money)

[@akagi007]

But its still state cold blood murder. If arms dealers did somthing illegal than charged them with this. Yes, there is lack of details about arms dealers but still i am against murder or death sentence in general but this was desth sentence without trial.

[@Zorglub1966]

@@akagi007 Brilliant observation, the topic of the video is about clandestine operations and political assassinations.

[@jeambeam3173]

No colonizer is a civilian just how Israeli civilian casualties in there occupation don't count as civilian but rather military deaths as they themselves are just as much to blame for colonization as the soldiers

[@mat3714]

Algorithm

[@paulceglinski3087]

Then again, such good training may have come by the OSS/OSI (CIA). We Americans can be nasty too. Sad, but true.

[@jakubegermajer9841]

That's entirely plausible. However these men were mostly veterans of the Resistance. They had tons of experience with bomb attacks which CIA didn't have

[@paulceglinski3087]

@@jakubegermajer9841 OSS the precursor to CIA. Where did most of the Resistance get their training and equipment, OSS. Thus CIA. deGaulle himself said it was impossible for a country with 250 different kinds of cheese to agree on anything, by extension, the possibility of collaborationist involvement is high and the narrative stated the officers were of a far right group. Vichyites? Petainists? Nazis, I don't think so, but...

[@paulceglinski3087]

@@jakubegermajer9841 Makes one wonder, the Maquis were not really an organized military unit but a collection or buillibaise of people. Ex-army, enthusiastic individuals and victims wanting a little pay back. All are understandable, but what were some of those groups agenda? Restoration of the Republic? Bonapartists? Anarchist? Too many groups, like cheese, to count or even figuring out what they were about. Didn't the French even had a problem with de Gaulle during the War calling him a traitor to the Republic? Extremely convoluted situation politically. It's just sad that the French poured so much money and talent into a hopeless cause, but like good Allies we, the US, either turned a blind eye or openly collaborated with the French. Can anyone say "Vietnam". Did anyone notice the US helped Ho when he was fighting the Japanese, but after the War the French called him a "commie" and all reason went out the window.

[@jakubegermajer9841]

@@paulceglinski3087 I think you mistook OAS and SDECE. OAS (briefly mentioned in the video) was a far-right terrorist organization. Most of its members however were former gaullists and Free French fighters. Many low-ranking Gaullists (but not De Gaulle) turned to far-right extremism (pro-Empire, pro-segregation in the colonies) when the colonial wars began. Their attempted coup in 1958 brought De Gaulle back to power, however he soon turned their back on them, and they became staunchly anti-Gaullist. Their terrorist attacks mostly took place in Metropolitan France, and are not subject of this video. SDECE (who committed the attacks described in this video) was not far-right, it was simply an intelligence agency, and it exists, though under different name (DGSE), to this day. French government responded to Algerian terrorism with their own terror attacks. Hardly excusable, however most secret services used to do this, and perhaps they still do. As for the WW2 Resistance, it was of course very heterogenous. However the view that they were somehow fighting each other more than fighting the Germans (persistent mainly the English-speaking world due to film portrayals) is a complete nonsense. There were two main groups: right-wing Resistance (active already from 1939 - ex-servicemen, Catholics, Jews, conservatives, just "democrats" - they soon began to be called Gaullists, though that doesn't mean that they remained Gaullist after 1944), and left-wing (Socialists - all active from 1939, and Communists, who only joined after Hitler attacked USSR). I take special interest in the WW2 France, but I hardly ever heard about an Anarchist element. In 1943 all Resistance groups were united under a single command - Conseil national de la Résistance (CNR), first headed by Jean Moulin (who was caught and executed by Germans) and then by Georges Bidault (who went on to became Foreign Ministers, and later an OAS member). CNR all recognized De Gaulle's government. Even the communists recognized Free France, since Stalin already did so in 1942. Most of Resistance commanders and many rank and file members were ex-fighters from the Spanish civil war. Many were professional soldiers. They were not some sans-culotte brigants. Their training was of course helped by OSS, but even more by the British. The alliance of Catholics, Communists and Socialists (headed by De Gaulle until January 1946) ruled France until May 1947, when the communists were ousted as the Cold War was beginning. French may be very heterogenous, however they mostly get along pretty well. Resistance was so efficient mainly because its components got along despite their ideological differences and all accepted De Gaulle's leadership. Since the end of the Algerian War there was only one really serious political crisis in France - the May 1968 revolt. Otherwise France is politically a pretty stable country. No government has fallen since 1962 (and even that was mostly orchestrated by the cabinet and De Gaulle in order to call new elections) and the only snap elections forced by the street occurred in 1968. The incessant strikes and demonstrations may confuse foreign spectators - they actually never change anything, it's just a way to let the people get out their momentary anger

[@paulceglinski3087]

@@jakubegermajer9841 In the end the whole affair was tragic and the commen man was the guy who took it on the chin. In the mid-80s while in Europe as a US soldier (Army) I dated a French girl who's parents were Algerian born and what I gathered they had to leave Algeria because of the killings. Not just Europeans but Algerian too. Fratricide has no relations, it is an orphan. True, once the French were out Algeria became quite stable. It's just sad that for some the status quo is everything even when change is in the air. Even my country, the US, can be a slave to the status quo. Change and growth are normal and natural, it's the attempt to keep things as they are that leads to dictatorships and other nasty things. Were the French, after loosing the War [sure, they were on the winning side, but without British and American help they would be having to learn German] looking to regain former glory or something else? I'm of the opinion that they wanted to be a large player on the world stage and the world had passed them by . So very sad.

[@rajashashankgutta4334]

2nd comment

[@greenkoopa]

No. You're 1st

[@pyeitme508]

lol

[@stoneruler]

I think France could have kept part of Algeria if they offered a deal for seperation.

[@nadjiguemarful]

They already did lmao De Guallle's government tried several times Algeria said no you clown.

[@stoneruler]

@@nadjiguemarful brah, by that time it was obviously too late.

[@nadjiguemarful]

@@stoneruler Why? He was deploying tanks and battalions in Algeria and they were working in that direction anyway, then Ben Guerion from Israel urged them even harder to leave some french settlers. It was the Algerians who decided to never allow it until the last man was standing. French News papers wrote articles about this and about how the Algerians are 'so uncompromising' and 'violent'. It was a thing.

[@mohammadkhan8567]

@@nadjiguemarful you cannot negotiate with those who want to exterminate you your people and way of life. the hatred runs deep. good for algeria and prayers for the martyrs

[@sasukeuchihaa1447]

💪🇫🇷

[@oldesertguy9616]

What gets me is that all of these stories are the same, no real "good guys." Innocent people suffer for the sake of egos and personal ideas of what is best for them. It seems it's always "atrocities on both sides."

[@hasnaouiabderaouf3570]

nope you are wrong Algerians were right because they were defending their country and the french imperialist in the wrong as experts are saying about this 2022 war

[@oldesertguy9616]

@@hasnaouiabderaouf3570 defending their country by murdering civilians?

[@noobster4779]

France was the foreign occupier exploitinbg algeria and its natural ressources. The french colonists had far more rights then the algerian inhabitants, meaning there was no equality. The algerians were third rate citizens in their own homes. The algerians definitly didnt behave like angels, no debate here, but the fact remains that france was the foreign invader and colonizer I would compare it to partisan warfare in eastern europe agaisnt the nazi occupiers. Both sides commited horrible acts but who the good guys were was never in question. And considering France literally employed nazi anti partisan warfare practices in algeria its even more clear...

[@oldesertguy9616]

@@noobster4779 I am not arguing that France shouldn't have been there. France were the occupiers, but it just seems like the situation in Indonesia, where people were getting killed by both sides simply because they lived there. Many times people lose sight of what their ultimate goals are by adopting the "ends justifies the means" mentality.

[@yonniiisan]

@@oldesertguy9616 that was the only way for Algeria to succeed since French only understood violence...

[@sheevpalpatine2128]

Booby Traps, don't do it.....Unless in The Jungle.....and even then, we've all seen The Jungle Book.

[@faheemmuhammad9959]

Genocide! NO other word can be used to describe the atrocities.

[@fuckgoogle2554]

Yes, the FLN was quite racist and murderous indeed.

[@houseplant1016]

But they aren't jewish or white, so it isn't genocide, right?

[@sasukeuchihaa1447]

Cope

[@nadirbengana]

@@sasukeuchihaa1447 France lost, so you cope.

[@elemperadordemexico]

@@nadirbengana Algeria is a poor third world country so you cope