Chris Williamson: These 3 Things Are Causing The Collapse Of The Masculine Man

[@TheDiaryOfACEOClips]

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[@edwardnygma5549]

Hi Steven, long-time fan here but I felt it was somewhat disingenuous that didn't also upload what Chris mentioned about female improvements. Hardly balanced. I know approximately 70% of your viewers are female and this is more strategically correct from a business standpoint, but you're perpetuating the same disparity that is being discussed here. BOTH sides/genders need to take accountability, not just one.

[@DanielKMihalev]

Hi Steven, could you please provide the citations of your mentioned percentages and data, because I would like to see where you get your sources from.

[@jaughnekow]

"you take away the roles of a man, you make him aimless." it is time we teach men to aim for financial stability because that is an important thing.

[@kiklocus4660]

yup capitalism did this, they wanted to use women in industrialization to make more money, so they hired them to make planes in world war 2, they invented birth control game over, now men are handed their dicks to their hands, women and lesbians are getting sperm donors. this is not any different than using china as a factory to feed American consumerism, they started to steal everything from us and name it different

[@PepeCoinMania]

revert feminist back.

[@the8thchurch461]

​@@PepeCoinManiaFeminism is absolutely necessary. Men are not a woman's authority.

[@Everton176]

itd help if the government would get off our back

[@nickb220]

@@PepeCoinMania lol

[@Alan7997]

It's not enough for women to say "Sorry, I'm not interested" when rejecting a guy I'm sure nearly all men can take that on the chin and move on not giving it a second thought. Modern day rejection is something else entirely. It's not enough to reject a guy, many women want to severely punish men for having the audacity of approaching them with public humiliation, embarrassment and shaming. That's why men aren't trying any more.

[@queenj.8i895]

Some truth here, but a guy won’t get rejected by a woman showing interest. Repeated or prolonged eye contact, continual smiling, warm body language, and other flirtatious gestures make it easy to see if a woman wants you to approach her or not. Women are women and men are men, this won’t change. So men just need to go back to being stronger while women need to go back to being softer. Blessings! ❤️‍🔥

[@joepaddy7239]

@@queenj.8i895That’s not always the case eye contact isn’t always what it seems along with body language, also girls flirting is something all guys won’t pick up on. I think us guys would rather not approach due to the way we’ll get humiliated no matter how many signs you throw at us, it’s not worth the risk on our end and sure we might be left thinking, “Oh what if she was the one that’ll make me want to settle” it’s instantly shadowed by what if she is just trying to humiliate me for the fun of it or worse throw me in the back of a police car. Sorry girl we ain’t approaching it’s just not worth it no matter if you start throwing coins at our heads or trying to act “sexy” the risk outweighs the reward.

[@Tidus13666]

spot on

[@interestingtimes6242]

@@queenj.8i895 Yea, I wish that worked. It doesn't. One woman's flirting is another woman's being friendly. When this backfires in your face, the friendly woman will typically be even harsher with her rejection.

[@innocentrage1]

"The worst she can say is no bro" lololol

[@walkingstick6655]

So, the issue ends up being that there is absolutely NO WAY for a man to absolutely KNOW what triggers a woman. Even the mildest, gentlest approach by a man to a woman could trigger her, particularly if her "standards" are skewed. The same approach from a tall, handsome man would likely be welcome and not triggering. This is the quandary that average men are in; it's just too risky to even entertain the most diplomatic, considerate approach to a woman. It's not worth our dignity, our mental health, our careers, our internal or external reputations, it's not worth anything.

[@johnbunzl]

Men can only do better through learning by doing - trial and error. But if any 'error' is punishable as sexual harassment, doing better quickly becomes don't approach at all.

[@Rick40years]

The importance of a father in boys lives cannot be underestimated. I never realized this until I became a father. Additionally when a father is in the home they need to stop capitulating to society's version of dumbed down masculinity. Men have intrinsic qualities that need to be fostered, encouraged and controlled. With high divorce rates and other factors the boys are left aimless. Its a very complex issue.

[@johncrow2852]

Agreed, single mothered son here.

[@iamjacksennui]

​@@johncrow2852would you mind explaining your experience?

[@johncrow2852]

@@iamjacksennui sure, it was lonely and depressing. I had a mentally ill father who couldn't even look after himself so I could never turn to him, I hadn't any older brothers or sisters or cousins I could turn to for support either. And I lost the genetic lottery so combine a poor home life with that it was misery. I have severe anxiety to this day, I have a bunch of physical growth problems that were never noticed because my mother didn't really understand what she was doing or how aboy is supposed to develop. So now I'm a mess of a person, a shell of a man with growth problems, balding, mental health issues etc. Sorry if it's a bit long

[@mattinthenow589]

Amazing how we always blame men and ask how men can do better and never ask what women are doing wrong and what women can do to be better. As a gay man It doesn't affect me but I can see things from a more neutral perspective in terms of heterosexual relationships and I see a lot of good men out there and not many good women. Women and feminism have made relationships a legal and cultural minefield for men; they risk a hell of a lot in approaching women.

[@MichaelJames-lz7ni]

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but the ‘West’ remains very-much a male-dominated society. Look at EVERY major Institution- Law, Military, Economy, Government, Academia….75% male-dominated. Men are fully in-control. Why should men NOT be held accountable for the problems of society that they absolutely RUN?

[@ALTheFreeMan]

Right, society keeps telling men to “man-up” for a generation of women who are not worth the hassle!

[@mana-uv7cz]

Comment what you think women could be doing better.

[@ALTheFreeMan]

@@mana-uv7cz Women should learn how to SERVE their man. Being served is the reason why guys frequent places like Hooters and gentlemen’s clubs. It’s even the reason why men watch p@rn, men want to be serviced by their woman. Just think if every now and then when a man gets home from work, his wife is wearing lingerie serving him up some meatloaf and mash potatoes. Or, maybe she gives him a foot rub while he watches the game. THATS what’s missing from relationships these days. Men are expected to go above and beyond to show their love and affection for women, meanwhile, women can do little to nothing for men and we’re supposed to be okay with it.

[@DeborahYorkUK]

I guess it depends on your perspective. I see loads of nice women out there kind, thoughtful, fun, educated, unselfish, but very much fewer nice men who are single.

[@rafaelferrari856]

Lets be honest, you need to be attractive. Unattractive men are considered creepy.

[@MO-ss5mj]

Still try and try to get to know her a little beforehand.

[@MichaelJames-lz7ni]

Men would rather go to Dominos Pizza instead of the gym.

[@maxpower19711]

Hell, even if you are physically attractive, if you’re autistic or otherwise socially awkward, you still get labeled a creep

[@thomasdevos4732]

@user-he3by8ut3m Why wouln't you (or anyone) become a chad yourself? It's all about the right mindset, we're all challenged in our own way. Just go for it.

[@thomasdevos4732]

@user-he3by8ut3m Obtain those prerequisites, that's my point. Change your fixed mindset for a growth mindset and go at it. I'm talking self improvement, train your social skills, charisma, learn about female behaviour, hit the gym, glow up etc etc. What's holding people back? Why not go for it?

[@thomasdevos4732]

I'm listening to this and I think.. Why is it not about the changed behavior of women? And why are men constantly being portrait as the problem as well as the sad victims of these developments? Because we're neither of those 2. I'm 35 and I can say I'm truly free. I've got money, minimal social obligations, access to casual encounters and enough spare time to get around. Why would that be a problem? Because I'm living the live, and any man who is able to leave that conventional mindset behind will do too.

[@sole__doubt]

Its always mens fault because its our world. We build and maintain the world so we have to set the standard. In a sane healthy world - men lead, women follow.

[@the8thchurch461]

​@@sole__doubtMen lead, women follow, a sane healthy world? You couldn't make this stuff up.

[@trojanmedia267]

​@@the8thchurch461problem?

[@the8thchurch461]

@@trojanmedia267 How the world can teach that men should lead when they are the most reckless, is hard to understand. I suppose strength is power.

[@irreversablecontentment4651]

Chris is a whitenight simp who is more sympathetic towards women

[@demetrist8537]

Not to be picky, as I broadly find the narrative to be quite interesting; however, Melinda Gates was not a receptionist at Microsoft. She was an extremely well educated member of the management team.

[@PTracer921]

And Bill is much more evil than Harvey

[@craigkincheloe7779]

And how does that impact the message?

[@sarahrobertson634]

@@craigkincheloe7779 It's important because men have a problem in the way they think of women.

[@Boredblacksheep]

@@craigkincheloe7779diminishing women is harmful.

[@eternalpresentmoment]

And they divorced

[@tomg5374]

90% of the time, the random approach is not a winning solution today, doesn't matter how charming or indiscrete you are. People are busy, fast paced, they have no time to dedicate to strangers when walking on streets. Plus women are rightly defensive today with everything you hear on the news... they will just think you are akward. If you want to go for the direct, random approach, then I suggest to leverage one of the dating app out there, which are purposely built to facilitate this and women expect this to be the norm. I personally think the best is always when the connection happen naturally and for a specific reason where you will have the chance to interact meaningfully for something and get to know each other. What is within the man control is to create a favourable environement to increase the chances for these natural interactions to happen.

[@tattoodrdoke]

The thing is sometimes in life you have to create opportunities. So what happens if you train at a gym or work somewhere that you are not attracted or interested in anyone. I feel that if you see someone who you find attractive then you should approach them to start up a conversation. It doesn't mean it will be long winded. I remember years ago meeting someone and I said can I speak to you for a minute. She said okay. I said I had to come and speak to you to at least get your name. If I never approached you I would be kicking myself tomorrow morning if I didn't find out more about you. We ended up speaking for 10 minutes exchanging numbers as the conversation was good but i didn't burn it out and we went out for 3 years. The thing is nothing ventured nothing gained. The worst that will happen is she will say no and you will both go on with your lives.

[@mrknarf4438]

Strong disagree: apps have their own dynamics, they focus on things like the way you look and that opening line, and girls there are inundated by messages. Look at the data, something like one in a thousand messages gets you somewhere. On the other hand randomly approaching is great: perhaps not on the street, but even if you're just at an event together, you don't need the perfect line: you talk to her for a but, ask her number, take her out, it doesn't get much more natural than that.

[@tattoodrdoke]

@Mr Knarf I agree with you 100% the ability to random approach also builds confidence and you learn more about body language. Creating a strong level of rapport with people, weeding out attractive nightmares aka Mrs Red Flag and generally just learning to be more talkative. Apps is like buying something from ebay its all about how its packaged and advertised. Doesn't mean when you get it home it will do what it said it would or fit for purpose. I think spending less time worrying about what women want and just going out and practice practice practice and not give a crap about rejection. I have taught my own kids to graft, be smart, but the biggest lesson is to win or learn don't be scared of failure.

[@bluetears2]

Hobbies, we all need to get hobbies and touch grass, otherwise there’s just not enough interaction for anything to happen

[@heinoustentacles5719]

One thing to note is that news stories are overblown. You hear all sorts of scary stories, but how many of them are about people you've met, or know personally? More people ought to look into 'Mean World Syndrome'.

[@jim2376]

Chad approaches: she likes it. Non-Chad approaches: she's creeped out. You didn't pass her physical attraction test? No pass equals no chance.

[@Atrax-vk9lu]

And u think its easy for unattractive women?

[@CaptCanuck4444]

In fairness I have had women come up to me in the past, in bars and clubs. I also have no problem approaching a woman. There is a way of doing it that is non threatening, charismatic and you'll know very quickly by reading her cues if it's worth proceeding with the conversation.

[@mroberts566]

His concept of “male sedation” is super interesting

[@DanielKMihalev]

Citations needed

[@ponypruhest]

@@DanielKMihalevabout 7 minutes into the video

[@stonemarten1400]

@@DanielKMihalevnot sure you need a citation for the bloomin’ obvious

[@ameliadeshane9192]

E Michael Jones Libido Dominandi

[@ameliadeshane9192]

Use of porn as sedation of men.

[@pinkchilldivestmentor]

Women should be friendly flirty funny and open, but cold approaching a man who haven’t shown any interest doesn’t work out in the long run. I’m a woman I know what I’m talking about.

[@tiajin248]

I wanted to subscribe to this channel, seeing how this guest talks without proven statistics and Steven doesn't conftront him but agrees with him, changed my idea about subscribing.

[@JordanAlexochannel]

It's not really uncharted waters. The water is clear at this moment, and it's not working. Thanks for the interview; awesome stuff!

[@UNCHART3DGAMING]

Women need to take responsibility for THEIR choices and when things go sideways in a relationship, they need to own that it going off the rails is partly due to them - it takes two to put it into the ditch!

[@aracelymoran2504]

💯

[@sakurazukamorisubaru]

They do. But you can't make them. So you only have an option to act right for yourself in this situation. (I mean, technically anyone can be forced to do something they don't want to, but it's going to be a fake motivation and potential source of explosion in the future.)

[@clauaome25]

Self reflection will take you very far, guys

[@ALTheFreeMan]

Most women today only entertain the best looking guys, and they’d rather stay single than to “settle” with an average guy. So, it makes perfect sense why “average” men would sedate themselves with p*rn and video games. But, I don’t think this current dating environment is accidental. The powers-that-be know exactly what they’re doing.

[@robbenvanpersie1562]

All by design

[@steph6109]

Your first sentence is why you're still single and sexless. Honestly it's not hard at all. You're just listening to men, who are bad with women, give advice on how to emotionally and sexually access women.

[@ALTheFreeMan]

@@steph6109 “It’s not hard at all”, lol, okay, whatever you say buddy.

[@weesh4645]

How does this benefit powers that be? Please elaborate ..

[@ALTheFreeMan]

@@weesh4645 Some would say it’s population control. Others think single women spend more money. Me personally, I think we’re living in a real-life “mouse utopia experiment” that is meant to accelerate the upcoming societal collapse.

[@iantodoyle5074]

Goodness, so much to look at here. In vistorian times women would drop a handkerchief to signal interest. In ancient Greece they would throw an apple (if the young man caught it, he was interested). In my parents day, you met at work, in social clubs, at dances. My dad met my mum at Scottish dancing socials. How you danced together was a good test of compatibility. When he declared his interest in mum. She said I but you only ever asked me to dance twice in an evening. His reply was, that's twice as much as anyone else. I met my wife at dance meetings 30 years ago.

[@ot23234]

If Bill had asked Melinda out like that today she'd have sued him for $10 million, instead of divorcing him for $1 billion. Maybe things have gotten better for men...

[@davidduff9871]

Just don’t approach. Be better for yourself.

[@lancemurdoc6744]

Man this hints for man are pure comedy. At least for me, some less sarcastic man will call it cynical or an heavy insult.

[@alexmuenster2102]

0:30 "How can we men 'do better' so that women aren't afraid / feel threatened." WRONG QUESTION. Should be: "How can the 2% of evil men who account for 98% of all 'unpleasant interactions' with women be dealt with?"

[@Highwynd]

No matter how much society tells women to make the first move when dating, they'll never do it to a substantial degree. On a biological level, women desire men to make the first move because it's called "peacocking", men display their confidence, their assertiveness, their determination, charm, resourcefulness, competence, acuity and intelligence just to name a few things when men approach women. Women won't approach first because women care about far more than just a man's looks, wardrobe and observable wealth when considering a long-term partner and they want men to display these qualities to them which requires making the first move. Men approach for sex mainly, we see beauty and go for it, women don't see handsome and go for it, they want handsome to come to them and show them what he's got. Expecting women to make the first move completely dismantles this extremely ancient facet of human courting habits and it is highly arrogant because like most things, people in the 21st century are quick to think the new unproven thing is the way to go, not this ancient thing that's served more millennia of people than they can count. The more you analyze it, the more you'll find that the qualities it takes to approach someone for sex/a relationship are very masculine qualities and these are qualities they want to see men possess, they don't want to assume a masculine role and make it easier for men to display fewer desirable qualities just from the fact of him being approached instead. A man receiving an approach does not have to demonstrate the qualities I mentioned at the start of this text wall to nearly the same degree because you'll find the act of approaching in and of itself is what makes the demonstration of these qualities either possible or far more effective.

[@someguyusa]

I am not even going to finish this clip or watch anymore like it. I'm not the kind of guy that causes these sorts of problems, but listening to this content makes me think I am and removes any willingness to try.

[@user-vb6lq9il5v]

Exactly.

[@brutaldeluxe6754]

You are not, and nor are most men, but you get treated as if you are because some men do cause problems. It's not just rejection that men fear, it's how that rejection is delivered now

[@wdw2540]

When government and corporations assume the role of provider for women, the need for marriage, husbands and families is non existent. This will only get worse until our culture changes radically. In the meantime, just enjoy your OnlyFans and AI girlfriends.

[@Atrax-vk9lu]

Yes that's exactly what the government want control over the population

[@johnnyboyvan]

The "casting couch" is still alive and well. So don't think it is gone!! 😮

[@ryu_street_fighter561]

In a few years a conversation like this will be illegal…

[@AngelicaLWoods]

There are so many reasons why relationships today are failing or not even starting. The only way to get thru it is to have faith in love. That mentality will bring the beloved to you. You might have to go thru some bad ones, but keep the faith & they will be there. If we always focus on the problem & the statistics, we will always Have the problem. Change your mind

[@captaincool2006]

This is so well put. Just beautiful! Thank you!

[@josephl9619]

Obesity is also sedating men. Both their own obesity and the obesity of women. Nothing puts,me off dating like the site all the obesity amongst my dating options

[@rossdobson1545]

I didn't seem to have any issues finding a good women. I was married and got divorced. I was single for 1 year. Met a ton of amazing women. Great careers, home owners, stable and gorgeous. All of them wanted more from me but I wasn't ready. Once I was i found another amazing women and now we are engaged to be married. I play video games and smoke pot. I do it all in moderation. I also workout, have a good career and I am bettering myself by getting a degree in business. A good women wants a good partner. If you can't find a good women look yourself in the mirror and ask would you want to be your partner?

[@ProfessorChaos09]

You can approach a woman if you are an attractive, extremely high value, top shelf guy. If you are anything less than that, it is not going to go well

[@cinnamontwirl992]

I haven't watched the whole episode yet but have been feeling for a very long time that men have lost their roles in society as the goal posts keep changing and they are confused as to what their actual roles are. Ladies you need to let men take back their roles.

[@samankarimitari7708]

Finally someone who asked ladies to take some responsibility and not just about their own selves. Thank you for your comment. (I´m a man with nightmares every night.)

[@PepeCoinMania]

they won't , medias won't allow it. overall this conversation won't ever happen at large media

[@MichaelJames-lz7ni]

Men have lost their roles BECAUSE they were totally unfit to assume those roles. Male character, integrity, morals, values, and ethics are SHIT, and there’s plenty of evidence in the culture that proves it.

[@Arrivedercimerda]

Men have lost their traditional society-created roles because they abused it, don't deserve it, failed at it, and women have been forced to fulfil both roles for themselves and for their children. Strong women do not need men anymore. If men are not wanted and needed they should look at themselves as to why they are not wanted and needed, not blame someone for not wanting and needing them.

[@suem7500]

Men need to step into their Provider, Protector and Leader roles in the family unit.

[@Daysed.and.Konfuzed]

"Maybe the game provides an outlet for certain impulses, that it fills a void in our genetic makeup that the more civilizing effects of society fail to provide for us." - Fox Mulder, _The X-Files_ "Well, that must be why men feel the great need to blast the crap out of stuff." - Dana Scully, _The X-Files_

[@Anigmama]

Simple social skills, respecting yourself and others. Weinstein wasn’t looking to ‘date’.

[@sarahrobertson634]

Well spoken.

[@clauaome25]

Exactly

[@MM-yi9zn]

Fascinating insights from Chris!

[@MrCanadatom]

So the guy's advice was: 'Don' t stand too close to a woman in a dark alleyway. '

[@TomCoutfit]

That's what I've doing wrong all these years!

[@jim2376]

@@TomCoutfit😆😆😆😆

[@user-vb6lq9il5v]

I got a chuckle out of that too.

[@user-vb6lq9il5v]

@@TomCoutfit (Face-palm)

[@23DanielVincent]

With the threat of being labeled as "toxic" and with "Me too", it's not worth it to approach women anymore, and men aren't doing so. Red pill philosophy has much to do with this also.

[@quack4800]

Nah. You just have to look in the right places.

[@quack4800]

@@EJS1972 I know that the red pill community is destroying men and their relationship with women, based on what they’ve experienced and their feelings instead of focusing on mental stability and health, lots of them have stupid opinions on what masculinity is and what logic and responsibility are, most of them are nothing but just children with mommy and daddy issues, and now their projecting, most of them have been rejected and now it’s projecting, they haven’t healed so they don’t know how to communicate their emotions and they have very low self worth, LOTS OF ISSUES. And now, masculinity is declining because of it. But if we wanna talk about the fear of being called toxic by women, I assure you there’s nothing to be worried about, it depends on how you see it and you’re the one that makes the decision on whether you wanna continue with this toxic woman or not. It’s your call.

[@23DanielVincent]

@@quack4800 Sure, and those "places" are overseas.

[@alessandrajackson3768]

I’ve never heard of anyone catching a case from simply asking out a woman in a normal way.

[@23DanielVincent]

@@alessandrajackson3768 Probably not, but I'm sure there have been plenty of men who have been called "toxic" or some other aspersion.

[@MohamedAhmed-ms9eu]

Reminds me of this reddit post I'd seen years ago. It was 2 headlines from the same university student newspaper. The first headline said something along the lines of "RAPE CULTURE ON CAMPUS DUE TO ALCOHOL" while the second headline from the same student newspaper the following term read "FEMALE STUDEN's UPSET ABOUT LACK OF CHIVALRY ON CAMPUS WITH MEN REFUSING TO BUY THEM DRINKS". Male students bought female students drinks and got accused of rape so male students stopped buying the girls drinks and they got accused of not being chivalaras lol.

[@StrangeAttractor]

as Louise Perry pointed out on Chris's channel just the other day, men approaching women isn't the historical norm. Semi-arranged marriages are. Masculinity, historically, was based upon the ability to remain relatively sober, do a solid day's work and not beat on women and kids. Which most of us do pretty much all of the time. The problem is that the bar is forever being raised. And I'm talking as a guy who's had dozens of women.

[@tomryan9827]

There are 8 billion people. Obviously the vast, overwhelming majority of us are just NPCs. But the modern world's ability to cater to our natural tastes at unnatural levels has left everyone with Main Character Syndrome, and feeling that they deserve a hero's story

[@zentzu4003]

Status from video games is a real thing, especially in MMORPGs.

[@heyhey9182]

Women chose and men get chosen. That is just life. But women have been, for lack of a better word, immasculated. However, some women do approach if they feel empowered and brave enough to do so, and that the risk to their safety is acceptable. It also has to be socially acceptable for them to approach men - personally I think it is, but I speak from a place of bias in that regard. It is concerning that women don't feel empowered, and safe to do this. Women generally have the higher risk anyway: if it goes wrong, she gets hit, stalked, abused. If it goes wrong for a guy: he gets his feelings hurt. So it is less risk to men than to women.

[@maam-yj8ph]

"Immasculate" is not a word.

[@theodosios2615]

Chris' dating advice works great... If you look like him and have his money.

[@marcsteddybear]

I'm sure there are lovely feminine ladies out there.... But I gave up looking 3 years ago...

[@valvrj]

Same here. They all have very HIGH standards, but when it comes to giving back, it doesn't happen so often.

[@groovies9]

Feminists say that they are all about equality. With that comes looking for and accepting a good man as a life partner that doesn't bring in as much material gain, but is an amazing caring father and husband.

[@innocentrage1]

"Equality " yet they never want to approach first or pay for the first date

[@mariaborisnova8845]

It's not so complicated. If a woman finds you attractive, she'll flirt back and if not, she'll find you creepy. Just take it lightly and move on... NEXT! And both men and women have to stop looking at Instagram and thinking they can get the hottest partner... be realistic!!! Find someone in your own league, both physically, emotionally and financially. I find that men today have lost their sense of self respect and they are afraid of putting themselves in uncomfortable situations. It's normal to get rejected! Also normal to fail in life... you learn from it and move on. People should stop wining and being lazy and afraid of new things. I'm 40 and when I was young, guys used to get rejected all the time, but it didn't stop them from trying hard with other women. Men and women today are scared of everything... it's like their parents made them afraid of the world... of reality. Go to therapy, do something that will take away your fears and go out and live life.

[@peterGnash]

the take away I have from this came at the end and its that there's no room in society for male anger. This has always been true for men of colour and theres great snl sketch with idris elba that shows the contrast between a "big black guy" and a typical "Karen" when they're have to assert themselves in a public situation. I wanna put forward that the academy and its historic elitism is a root cause of most of inequality issues today with all of the biased and incomplete ideas they've put out. Ideas that have affected policy and social customs.

[@karadianiko1442]

Old man gets into an elevator with me and says "If I was younger I would do you"; to restructure that into a real compliment vs. an insult > "If I were younger, I would ask you out on a date". Just one of my life experiences.

[@ayostupid4049]

This is the problem. we keep trying to do everything a woman wants, instead of focusing on ourselves.

[@exvex5108]

What men can do better? Why we dont ask what women can do better? Oh right she wont change.

[@brokeboy87]

Overly sedated men seem like a ticking time bomb on society. But let's not worry about it until it's too late.

[@contracthit9839]

That's a feminist narrative

[@PLHogan]

I know this is an old podcast but no one ever talks about the high amount of Estrogen in foods today. The male body is being loaded up with female hormone to the point that it very well could be effecting the brain, supressing the hunter gathering need for survival. That coupled with the social problems effecting men is destroying how men were designed.

[@garbonomics]

Wrong question and wrong approach. It’s not “how, as men, can we be better?” but “how can we get back to a former sense of reality?” One where we acknowledge that, in general, human interactions, romantic ones included, have always been messy. Therefore, people generally had thicker skin since they understood that mistakes would be made or actions misinterpreted while meeting someone new. The first world is, in fact, not as dangerous as the “terrified” women example implies. Quite the opposite is true. This is generally the safest time ever for women in the first world, and most of those fears are overblown.

[@katrinagraben5659]

All about intention and proper power dynamics

[@weliveinasimulation.]

If you are good looking then you got game. If you are ugly then it's sexual harassment.

[@ciaranblack4193]

There is absolutely no way that I will accept being lectured on masculinity by either of these guys

[@OogwayGotRizz]

Fair enough. Who would be ok to lecture you on masculinity then?

[@rhett3185]

@@OogwayGotRizzJesus Christ Marcus Aurelius Carl Jung Miyamoto Musashi

[@lastmanwalking2793]

So you’ll be lectured by a fictional character…well we all know how to estimate your intelligence

[@marus3953]

Why is it always the man should do better?

[@gtgirlxx9416]

To put Bill Gates and Harvey Weinstein in the same sentence is wild. Bill Gates did somethings very different that got him success. 1. He did not approach her in a confrontational way. He gave her space. He called her (before text messaging). She had the chance to put the phone down 2. He listened for consent. Her asked her, she said yes. 3. He gave her time and didn't assume she'd have no plans. 3 weeks. 4. She stipulated what she wanted if she wanted to go on a date. She said she wanted spontaneity. Not every woman does. But she did 5. Most importantly, HE LISTENED. He listened when she said yes. He listened when she said she wanted spontaneity. And be implemented it and got success. One simple interaction, so many subtle layers. It's not that hard.

[@davidduff9871]

It’s so difficult for guys to get a job or get into school, to get ahead, it’s not worth the risk to approach at work or school and.

[@tylerdurden4396]

Chris over simplifies a little in his theory here I think. Men with a purpose don’t need to be dangerous, aggression isn’t always a utility for violence and it definitely isn’t synonymous. It’s that drive that says I won’t stop here, enough is not enough, and I’m not letting anything deter me from my goal. It’s the uncompromising resilience to follow through on a strategy to make things better. The wanting of respect is a marker of how well the man is doing in his job. We don’t need an alien army to come to unite us or make us useful. We’ve been useful throughout the history of our species. Now more than ever we need role models to prove that is still the case. And we have them, too. People like Elon are exactly what properly placed aggression looks like. Regarding the dating stuff… the people that watch these videos aren’t generally the people that are most dangerous to women, and you will never be able to reason with the ignorance of a stupid animal. You need to appreciate when a man puts himself on n the line to protect a woman in the street. You need to appreciate the police that do the same. Other than that, there is nothing we can do.

[@neomacchio4692]

Women don’t even look around nevermind make eye contact.. they put off this vibe of all men being creepers. Very frustrating for me at one time and for most men… but you gotta just man up and cold approach.

[@robertpirsig5011]

The thumbnail is a bit charged. Picking on people with glasses that are skinny makes them a weak man?. Strength comes in many forms my man. I don't care if you didn't mean it that way, because thats what you lead with.

[@user-vb6lq9il5v]

There's a 'report' feature up there someplace. This might be a good opportunity to use it.

[@erics1140]

What happened to personal responsibility? If these men are so unhappy then it is on them to improve their circumstances. I wonder how many of these guys blaming everyone else for their failures would turn around and tell someone less fortunate than them to pull themselves up by the bootstraps. It's not the strongest or most intelligent of a species that is most likely to survive but those that are quickest to adapt.

[@drewyetti]

Thing is men are giving too much responsibility that is outside of their control without any support or compassion, even though these men did everything right and it didn’t work out for them. Plus no one ever mentions to women about taking personal responsibility for their disadvantages. Which proves men are expected to be held accountable for their short comings while women are rarely held accountable for theirs.

[@vanessajoycecollett6607]

See our mistakes both men n women n work to make a change

[@lastmanwalking2793]

It’s a systemic problem, when the problem is a system, you have to fix the system, not the people. Fixing the system will guide people automatically…there will be outliers but % wise a small fraction of the relative population.

[@erics1140]

@@lastmanwalking2793 don't see many of these whining men calling out the systemic racism and homophobia.

[@lastmanwalking2793]

@@erics1140 there are not a lot of men calling those issues our period…the world is a fucked up system…we are not exactly a highly evolved species…we are collectively as dumb as rocks

[@michelleolak3785]

Respect, consideration and being honourable. Engaging a lady’s thoughts and feelings at every turn: including her. Honouring her feelings, emotions. I miss men being respectful, considerate, honourable. This is what normal behaviour should be.

[@someguynamedvictor]

So you’re a narcissist? Only a narcissist would feel everyone they interact with should be obligated to engage their thoughts and feelings at every turn. I’m guessing many men would miss women being kind, pleasant, cooperative and loyal. You’re delusional as the RP weirdos and can’t see it. Should I be able to tell you what normal behavior for a woman is? Probably not, yet you seem to feel the entitlement to tell other what they should do and what should be normal without raising your own responsibility in the situation. Typical low IQ thinking.

[@James_36]

plenty of men like that, you are talking out of an old Disney movie that does not exist in reality, Women today simply do not value these things generally today. Besides, you can point all that at women even more these days

[@quack4800]

@Here to Learn she can offer you her mental stability, her mental health, that shows in acts of respecting her partner, listening to him, obeying him (not blindly tho) letting him provide for her, making him feel like a man, tons of other things , that way, she would be in her complete feminine power and energy, that would contribute to you feeling masculine and a king that provides for his queen

[@quack4800]

@@James_36 nah, not plenty of men exist like that, lots of women do value these things, it’s just that lots of men are bad these days, that when a good man behaves like a normal human being, he’s being cheered and respected and complemented and even rewarded for it.

[@wyleecoyotee4252]

I couldn't care less what men do. How could you miss those men if they never existed?

[@jakobschwarz97]

I love your outro!

[@rameshhansaravendra]

If she rejects you, just tell her that you identify as a woman and call her a sexist.

[@Azukawa]

Calm men, content men are infinitely better than dangerous men. Only need for dangerous men in today's society is other dangerous men. "When the aliens come you're going to wish men were competitive and aggressive brutes like in the golden days" is one of the worst arguments for traditional manliness. IMO, bigger problem than traditionally non-masculine men are aggressive men who wish they were warriors instead of pod-casters, lashing out their frustration on the society for not appreciating their ability to beat people up. Aggression has place in a finite game, less so in an infinite game, where it becomes self-destructing instead of a tool for protection.

[@leviathanv3135]

want to do better with dating. Reincarnate into a wealthy family that will encourage the proper development of your brain.Oo make sure you are 6 feet tall with Muscles. Attraction is not a choice. Free will is a lie. And successful people suffer from survivorship bias.

[@user-vb6lq9il5v]

+1 on mention of survivorship bias.

[@ot23234]

I 100% agree on how and why porn, vidya, and social media sedate young men. The problem is that there aren't alternate choices. Very few jobs have any sort of competition or reward for excellence. Everyone is a cog. Best employee makes the same as the shittiest employee; newest hire makes more than the most experienced guy since raises even for the best are below inflation/ cost of living increase. Most college degrees are worthless. Throw in DIE affirmative action, and there is no reason to struggle or strive in a vast majority of cases. As both hosts have covered, a vast majority of 30yo men are invisible to women. Porn, vidya, social media aren't the cause of the problem, they are both a symptom of it and a self-medicating treatment for it.

[@levansegnaro4637]

Blaming videogames/prawn for why men dropping out of society is putting the cart before the horse. Society/women have become hostile towards us young men also blaming us for all the problems i. The world. As such I dont want to participate in such a society. Videogames and adult content are just pass times, no different in my life than any other hobbies like hiking, walking the dog, fishing, cooking, ect.

[@lockyp204]

You can be a strong man. I am. But if you aren’t in the top range of men you will be alone. It won’t help your situation.

[@Jeomjeomjubjub]

Just be a decent human being.

[@steph6109]

I can see why Chris is still single despite the money, looks and charisma.

[@Curitibaas]

Why is that?

[@tonkysue207]

Why? He seems lovely.

[@clauaome25]

Yep, he made an incredibly terrible analogy with Gates and Weinstein

[@jonathanwiswell3365]

If you look like Leo DiCaprio you can treat them like shit and they keep coming back, the amount of "Beast" a woman wants is directly corelated to a mans looks and status.

[@suukinsin6771]

Just marry asian women..come to asia...u will get lots of soft spoken and humble asian women to be married

[@gregrodgers107]

Think that’s the majority of westerns mens path if they want a relationship

[@andradeb2695]

Do you local men get mad if we Westerners take your Women???

[@BodyByBenSLC]

I think women confuse being combative as....I don't even know anymore. Happened to me a few times, where someone says so and so really likes you. I'd be really confused be cause so and so had been really mean and aggressive.

[@gregvanpaassen]

The root cause is absent mothers. "Give me the child until his seventh year, and I will give you the man." Well, we have the men (and women) that are the result of zero mothering.

[@Trizzer89]

Every man has had to walk home at night in proximity of a woman. No practice is going to change anything

[@Alvic79]

It doesn't matter what you do, unless you're good looking they will call you a creep. A good looking guy has to approach with a 6/10 creep before she would even notice something was wrong, short fat balding bloke can be 0 creep and still get called out.

[@peterstabler2321]

So handsome men will get a pass and ugly men will make women feel uncomfortable when they approach them.

[@trishmalone5639]

Yes, we did socialize and date higher ups in the 1980s and 1990s. Bosses CANNOT do that now! Things got messed up in the early to late 1990s. The women who dated and married the bosses did not complain. The complaints came from the ones who were not asked out by the bosses. Then came all the garbage and New rules. And Here we are today ..😢

[@wyleecoyotee4252]

Were you hoping to marry a boss?

[@trishmalone5639]

@@wyleecoyotee4252 I DID marry one of the bosses. I did not report directly to him so it was no issue. It is risky now for any higher up to even look at a some in a position less than theirs to look at them. But smart women still like a boss 😊

[@sarahrobertson634]

@@trishmalone5639 You're so gross. Just because you're a groveling sycophant doesn't mean the rest of us are.

[@DD-xw6uw]

​@@trishmalone5639 speaking as a man and someone that’s been a boss, this current environment can make it too dangerous for a boss to socialise with a female co-worker, especially one that’s younger and lower on the ladder. People are more likely to assume the worse of you now, and take things out of context.

[@trishmalone5639]

@DD-xw6uw Oh, I certainly agree! The way male bosses have to interact with women now is very different than it was back then. Nowadays, one accusation can be enough to cost you your job and/or career.

[@PepeCoinMania]

do not ever date anyone at work. do not do that. period

[@sjwill1956]

Sure good points BUT on the other side u have marketing "fear" .. we have seen the bear/man in the forest meme... except stranger initiated violence is quite rare.. yet woman reportedly would rather meet a bear in the forest than a unknown man ... perception over reality

[@Bengal9063]

No! Not a single parent household! Quick! Shack up with some random bloke. Doesn't matter who or even if you like them. Anything other than a single parent household! Brilliant.

[@glory70x]

Don't talk to girls at all on your job

[@windupmerchant1679]

Just because I wear leopard skin tights and cry every time Leonard DiCaprio dies at the end of Titanic doesn't make me weak or any less of a man.

[@aguywhosaysstuff]

To the presenter: dude, how can men be better? Why is that always the question? If you can figure out why that is always the question, and never the other way around, you'll be someway to figuring out the nature of the problem. Also, nice job throwing your sex under the bus.

[@Vervatas]

Try, be prepared to react politely when you will be rejected, improve yourself in order to lower rejection rate (which, again, includes trying). In these difficult times, nature is helping mankind by drastically selecting courage and will.

[@Benjaminthemoomoo]

Step 1. Be attractive Step 2. Don’t be unattractive

[@jamescupp434]

That’s not on men that women feel like that.

[@gregorylatta8159]

They want Chadrone to make the first move!

[@odemebrown9829]

Interesting as I watched Steven tell his employee that she had a nice dressI don’t think that there was anything wrong with it but that could have been seen as being inappropriate. 🤷‍♀️

[@andyk9735]

I disagree with Steven on a few points. I agree with Chris that the Devil's in the details. I don't think there's necessarily anything wrong with an employer asking out an employee, it depends entirely on how they went about it IMO. And let's not pretend that many women don't WANT to date men in superior positions to them. Also, this idea that women should never feel uncomfortable is a bit ridiculous in my mind. All of us feel discomfort with certain social situations, and there's nothing wrong with that - hell, it's healthy to feel uncomfortable from time to time! Again, the conversation is more nuanced than that. If you're cornering her in the supply closet and whipping your 🍆 out, then sure, I agree that's totally unacceptable behaviour and nobody should have to endure that level of discomfort. But if a man politely approaches a woman in the workplace cafeteria, and she feels a little bit embarrassed about it, then I'm sorry but tough. Brush it off and move on with your day. P.S. a lot of the time the difference between her being creeped out, and finding your approach "inappropriate", is down to whether she finds you attractive or not - rather than anything to do with your actions. Two guys could behave in the exact same manner, and if she finds you attractive, then you are deemed confident and charming, if she doesn't think you are attractive then you're a "weirdo" and "creepy".

[@justamangoddamn]

Women or feminist have caused men to be apprehensive in approaching a woman. Good job!

[@SA-vz7qi]

Well that opener was a disaster.

[@moneylineparlay105]

In other countries, bosses can date their employees. Just stop dating in the united States. Its the ONLY SOLUTION

[@contracthit9839]

Chris, the coward won't discuss this

[@cantbendknee]

Can this guy talk about men without talking about women????

[@wyleecoyotee4252]

They only ever talk about women

[@drewyetti]

It’s part of the conversation and if you don’t like it, too bad. Women can’t talking about women without men and I doubt you say anything about that.

[@cantbendknee]

@@drewyetti For example he never speaks about societal pressure from other men, or male on male violence or what men can do to support each other, it's almost always focussed on women and what women are doing. Women are doing better in the work place, women are doing better at education etc., girl boss, women's mating preferences blah blah. Yes and when are you going to talk about men and male problems? He isn't qualified in psychology, or relationship counselling he just read a load of books and just quotes the opinions of others incessantly while speaking of that one time when he was on love island.

[@drewyetti]

@@cantbendknee men do talk about their issues and problems but they are often silenced because feminists use their “misogyny card” and while gaslighting them into believing their issues don’t matter because they are “privileged.” Men’s issues and problems are due to feminism focusing on women’s issues while ignoring men as well as giving women support while leaving men to struggle.

[@edertk9491]

Right place at the right moment thats how it works