ClubSport V3 vs. CSL Loadcell: Which Fanatec Pedals Should You Buy?

[@DigitRacingDG]

Fanatec CSL Elite V2 vs. Clubsport V3: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nauTlYSNr6eCrdEsi=C2tz_983p3C6AH1I

[@FlashDaggerStudios]

By far your best review video yet. Presentation and editing are great. Obviously a topic close to my heart right now and the inability to reconfigure V3 to a 2 pedal set up is a huge oversight

[@DigitRacingDG]

Thanks a lot Flash, took me a while to make it tho. And yes, there should be an option for remove one pedal, or just make a design where you can buy two pedals

[@gavinrenshaw3663]

On my CSL's I swapped my std brake spring to the gas pedal which firmed it up and also changed the elastomer on the load cell brake. Totally transformed the feel of both pedals.

[@erikgonzalez2486]

Dam I never thought of switching them that’s genius I rather have a heavier gas pedal also! Thanks for that comment!

[@irlantiisti2810]

I did this 2 years ago. True, I installed a 45kg spring on the Load Cell and an elastomer. It got a lot better. I also moved the brake pedal to the gas pedal. And CSL PEDAL is now many times better than V3

[@benbarchie5194]

For anyone looking to upgrade. V3’s with damper and performance kit are 299.99 rn. Absolute steal

[@ethanWELAN]

Got mine today! Full kit saved over $800.🫢

[@SuperButterbunz]

Where at I’m in Tacoma WA btw

[@btmorris82]

I have the V3 and am happy with them. I have an old set of v2's in my garage. they worked great also. Both sets are built like a tank.

[@tuff77777]

I’m conflicted between the v3’s and the inverted v3s… what would you suggest? I’m new to sim racing but I like driving manual cars so what would be more realistic in terms of the clutch?

[@apostlewallyboo9702]

I have the V2 peddles. I upgraded from the CSL elite load cell peddles. My only issue is that I have problems with the brake force(BF) on the CSL elite wheel if I could brake better I would be a better driver. Great video.

[@Throned1781]

I'd love a video explaining all the feedback you can possibly get and what it tells you about your driving and where to improve. for example, I've learned to coast before breaking, turn less, and down shift later.

[@supercededman]

Great review, Mihael. I bought a DD Pro with 8nm and loadcells about the time you did. Whilst in operation they are great, the mouning procedure, as u pointed out, was a pain. Added to that my throttle pedal was not working on delivery, and I've read that this was not uncommon. . Fanatec support was hopeless, eventually sending a replacement, b pedal, but fark, I really dreaded repeating that woeful after-sales experience if things went wrong, and as you experienced, components do wear out or fail. I bought a Logitech G-pro wheel and pedals, and whilst not offering as much software adjustibility, the mounting experience was soooooo much easier, and the pedals offer so much physical adjustibility, and the loadcell itself is very good. The Trueforce (I know, not a pedal feature) is simply gobsmackinly good. Trust me. I don't regret sideling my Fanatec equipment for a moment.

[@MR_GT78]

My best friend has the Logitech G-Pro setup, and I don't mind it, but I like my DD Pro setup more. They are both great products, IMO.

[@TheDoctor46vr]

Thank you for making a timed comparison not enough videos like this around. I would love to see V3 compared with V2 and also V2 vs. VRS

[@DigitRacingDG]

V2 Vs. V3 planned for now Maybe I'll add more in the future

[@TheDoctor46vr]

@@DigitRacingDG there's definitely a gap in the KZbin community lacking these videos. Of course we all know practice makes perfect and setting up the pedals properly. But it's still very interesting to see what somebody can do that knows what they are doing

[@Brocky05]

Been through 2 sets of v3's. Had 3 load cells break (2x during warranty, 1x out of warranty). I recently ordered the csl elite v2 as spare but actually prefer the brake over the v3s. So will fix my v3 and ask them to get a spare set of csl elite v2.

[@ReptileMonitor]

I'm waiting for Fanatec to release their next generation of V3s, they need to be adjustable like the CSL pedals because I like the brake pedals mounted all the way to the left. Hopefully Fanatec releases their next-gen pedals early next year, I need to prepare for the 2024 GTWS that I want to take serious this time. Thanks a lot for the in-depth comparison, Digit.

[@DigitRacingDG]

We need V4 or something even better, they're great but it would be good to have more options, and thanks

[@MR_GT78]

@@DigitRacingDG I love my Fanatec sim rig items, but Fanatec takes forever to release upgrades and needs to catch up. I hope they release an improved version.

[@trevz1048]

Needs to be easier to make adjustments these are a pia

[@drewedgeley2845]

Good VT man,and you speak very well and get to the point quickly, which is what i enjoy! Instead of waffling on for ages. I have both sets, and have modified my V3's with 'BPK' and different springs for accelerator and clutch. Which is not only good, but looks nice also (blue clutch spring) & (yellow accelerator spring) which doe's change the experience. But once you have gotten use to them,they are very good quality feeling. It is a lot of money though! I would have liked for the other users, that you could have mentioned the P.C experience where the rumble motors can be felt, unlike GT7 on the PS5. Good work anyway and much appreciated 👍🙂 I will subscribe to you as you are clear and decent contributor to the 'Sim racing world' Good content creator. Thankyou. Drew.

[@hanomag251]

Thanks for the video. I'm considering changing mine but not sure. I think I can get decent time with them but in the end, it will happen at some point!!! I will definitely make the switch!!!

[@TravisHi_YT]

Dude, thanks for this review, I'm tossing up an upgrade path for my R5, I'm only just starting, but the CSL LC looks like where it's at for me.

[@weirdfan88]

Honestly I've had the same T150 steering wheel for some time and it works fine. I just bought different pedals for around $100 to replace the plastic ones

[@madebykaram]

I recommend upgrading to direct drive, i just did from my t150 and not only am I having way more fun I got better at pretty much everything. I also hurt myself a few times already 😂

[@moStallion]

You forgot about the csl elite v2. They're just as good as csv3. I had the inverted n sold it. Now I want to buy a v3 or csl elite v2

[@Thrill79-]

Thanks!!! The video a needed 👍

[@erikgonzalez2486]

Have you considered the lap time difference is from you being familiar with the feeling of the v3s from constant use. The csl id assume would match the v3s lap times if you got used to them. Great video !

[@DigitRacingDG]

Yes, absolutely. That's why I said it's close, maybe too close to make a comparison. I guess I just like the feeling of V3 more.

[@erikgonzalez2486]

@@DigitRacingDG I have both also and I agree

[@interestingvideos4046]

@erikgonzalez2486 which one of these pedals feel closest to pedals in a everyday normal car?

[@erikgonzalez2486]

@@interestingvideos4046 by far the v3 especially with the break performance kit where you can adjust it to your liking unlike the super duper stiff loadcell in the csl pedals . Also the gas pedal just feels realer especially with the black stiffer springs it comes with. I imagine the damper kit will also add realism and full adjustability to the gas pedal for a stiffer feel. I have both by the way.

[@Rapid_GT]

There is a 3rd option, the CSL V2s and if the CSL V1s are anything to go by then the V2s should be very good also with spring adjustment too, V2s are 300 Euros, Iv'e had my V1s 5 years this October and they still work fine and had no issues at all, my dilemma is what do I upgrade to V2s or V3s ! I want the V3s but I don't like the fact you can't remove the clutch without invalidating the warranty and I'm not sure by leaving the clutch on if that hinders my driving, the V2s should be slight upgrade with the new springs and hall sensor ...but I like the look of the V3s 😂 , cheers Digit

[@christoler6547]

Would you prefer or suggest getting the damper kit as well? Along with the brake kit. Thanks!

[@DigitRacingDG]

No, I would advise not to use one.

[@MoisesHurtado86]

Hola ,gracias por tú video! Tengo entendido que los V3 puedes instalar vibración en el freno, configurar la dureza de los pedales, el acelerador se puede configurar el recorrido del pedal, etc. Eso creo que es importante también! Reciba un cordial saludo!

[@CaptFraze]

CSL Elite V2 are the pedals to buy.

[@shkarhiwa4137]

That was so good! now csl pedal vs g29 pedal with lap time that would be fantastic alot of people wonder to know that!

[@DigitRacingDG]

That's the next goal I guess :)

[@thebloodyvlad]

Logitech G Pro Pedals are a great alternative to V3 and lot's of those are available from $349 or "like new" with warranty for under $300 on the classifieds. And those are compatible with G29/920/923 through a Logitech G Racing Adapter and PS4/5 and you can even adjust the break sensitivity with the know on the adapter. Another great option are Elite V2s for $299 and with break kit in the box without extra costs.

[@d.s.9753]

I don’t really see the reason people recommending CSL elite V2 over to CS V3. Ok V2 seems to have a newer way to adjust the break and is 100 cheaper. Apart from that , the V3 feels like to be better !

[@deutschhhhh6922]

Because of the audience's age and they're cheaper. Also, most commenting only play console-related games. I have both and prefer the V3's. I play on PC exclusively (AC/ACC/IR/rFactor)

[@vitodiomede79]

I mate, thanks for your video. I use a csl dd 8nm with csl load cell pedals set on PC, I never found a good feeling with my pedals set and I would upgrade it to a v2's. Do you think it's a good deal? Are there significant difference beetwen the two brake? Are there news about a new high-end fanatec pedal set? Thank you very much

[@GoofylookinHippy]

Timely video as I've been considering making the jump to the V3. But it seems like you cannot even change the pedal spacing, let alone remove or swap pedal locations. Too bad.

[@JM-SPORTS-]

Great Review and comparison, thanks! How's the Vibration motors works on the Brake (ABS) and the Gas Pedal (TCS), they are helpful?

[@DigitRacingDG]

Personally, I didn't use it that much, only brake vibration, which I disabled after a while since it was distracting.

[@O-Friendly]

I'm just curious. Is there a big difference between the clubsport V3 inverted and the regular V3 other than it being inverted to justify the big price difference?

[@andremendes7987]

Do you get the vibrations on the pedals on gt7???

[@starrat46]

I am about to upgrade my wheel and pedals from g29. If you still have your g29, could you do a comparison with your set up? Would be interesting to see the lap time difference from someone that knows what they are doing. Probably most people watching you are in my position and would love to see if the upgrade is worth the money. I’m sure it is. But for someone who’s about average(I’m old with slow reactions). it might be like the expensive golf club syndrome. Where only pros get the benefit.

[@efenba]

Kajracer used to race with a G29, and even back then he was constantly in the Top10, and I think he even qualified for GTWS. Digit had a great idea of comparing times with different equipments in this video. But his idea was just to show it isn't just about personal feelings, subjective differences, and definitely NOT to say that gear X is 1 tents faster than gear Y. So I would advise you to forget this idea of comparing a G29 with any other gear in terms of times, to compare how many tents its slower to other equipment, because 1. A G29 is fast enough. This has been proven several times. 2. You will be slower with your new gear in the first weeks. As Digit said, it takes time to adjust. So if Digit comes here saying V3s are 1s faster than G29, and for you it's the opposite (in the first weeks), how do you think you are going to react? 3. There is no definitive time difference between rigs. Digit is 1 tent faster with a V3 here, but someone could be 1 tent faster with the CSL. This also has been proven several times. So the only true comparison is you against you, and after you get used to the new equipments. 4. It's also been said multiple times that the biggest improvement with any rig change is consistency.

[@starrat46]

@@efenba the point I was making is that Digit has the skills and consistency to fairly compare the 2, I don’t. Do I think they will make me faster? Maybe not, maybe yes. But there is no way I could compare them fairly with my skill level. Secondly, I wasn’t asking for a personal, subjective view of which is better. More a technical breakdown of ten laps by someone who can string them together within a tenth of each other. Thirdly. I am well aware that there are tour drivers that can compete on pad or cheaper equipment, stop being so condescending. Oh, and before I forget. Thanks for your input.

[@MaxpowerHTC]

Is it worth upgrade from CSL standard to LC bundle? I'm happy with Fanatec entry level pedals but I suspect I could be faster with the LC. Better lap times? Thanks Matika, you are great 😊

[@gavinrenshaw3663]

I ran CSL standard for a few weeks. Then added LC. Do it.

[@TurboZHK]

maybe you can include elite v2 in your next review. Those are pretty nice and cost less

[@vsem_beregam]

I use csl load-cell with 3drap mode. Its really cool.

[@Dia_dhuit]

Can you move the brake pedal left or right ?🤔

[@CanyonDrifter-rx3fq]

Hello digit. Can I ask you if you have had any issues with the loadcell slowly creeping up on its own without any foot on the pedal causing the brakes to come on?. I've tried setting the dead zone to 15% and within 30/45 mins its actually going beyond that and starting to activate the brakes on the straight and it's frustrating the hell out of me...I had read somewhere that you could try to re route the cable so that it's not near the other cables...does that actually help? Any tips would be great because ATM I feel like I've wasted £150 on a loadcell that's broken...its brand new BTW direct from fanatec

[@DigitRacingDG]

No the cables don't matter that much, as long as they're not under too much stress. What I think you should try is to connect it to the PC, update the firmware, and then recalibrate the brake pedal. if that doesn't work, I would open a ticket and get to Fanatec support team.

[@CanyonDrifter-rx3fq]

@DigitGamingDG yep first thing I did when I got the lc is to update the firmware and calibrated it...oh well...time for some fun and games

[@cicoventura]

Thanks, this is exactly the video i was looking for, really well done. But does pedal vibration work with Gran Turismo 7?

[@DigitRacingDG]

Yes it does

[@jensonambutton]

question is if it is worth it to buy V3s when you already have CSL+LC. I am quite happy with it, but the V3s for 299€ seems like a good deal currently....

[@КириллМихеичев]

I have the same question, what did you decide in the end?

[@DigitRacingDG]

To answer this one, I would pick V3 for 299 as they're on sale, V2s are also on sale for 199 and that's an absolute steal if you ask me, for the same price you can get much better pedals

[@КириллМихеичев]

​@@DigitRacingDGyou mean a much better pedal is the V3 for the same price of 299 that the V2 usually sells for? Is V3 much better than V2? It’s just that a lot of reviewers on KZbin say that the elite v2 is better than the clubsport v3, that it has an amazing brake pedal, very informative and a perfectly tuned load sensor, that the V3 has a worse brake pedal. I’m racking my brains, I don’t know what to get, v2 for 199 or v3 for 299. Does v2 really have such a phenomenal pedal and is so much better than v3?

[@davidcupra4913]

What dampers are u using from the performance kit? Also what’s ur brf setting on wheel for them?

[@kevingraham3317]

Love Your videos what is the difference between the v2 and v3 club sport pedals

[@DigitRacingDG]

here it is: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nauTlYSNr6eCrdEsi=k6uF6y3VMTeRf22p

[@FreshSheets]

Take the foam out of your clutch on the CSL (unless you wanted to keep it)

[@nathancad]

The v2 vs v3 would be a better comparison video

[@oktc68]

Never liked the V3's much, except for the fabulous looks and clutch pedal, brake pedal is meh at best. The CSL Elite V2's have a vastly superior brake pedal, and are much better made than the CSL, sure they aren't as pretty as the V3's and the clutch and gas are only "adequate" but the outstanding brake pedal is what it's all about with the CSL Elite V2's

[@FlamingCurtain]

Is the clubsport v3 worth it as stock for 400 euros? Brake performance kit etc would be super expensive to import to Norway

[@DigitRacingDG]

When exporting good from EU country to non-EU country taxes are deducted from the product price. I checked and the base price price would be €348.06 (with delivery), which is 3 947.00 NOK. Then you would pay VAT of 25%. So total price would be 4 933.75 NOK or €430.33. This is almost equal to EU price. Of course, customs procedure could be an additional charge that is usually no more than 30 euros. Hope this helps. Also you can check fees on this site: www.toll.no/en/services/import-calculator/

[@FlamingCurtain]

It’s just too expensive to import anything to Norway imo. I have seen CRP pedals for 5490 NOK, that’s probably better

[@FlamingCurtain]

@@DigitRacingDGI saw someone sell used clubsport v3 for around 400 euros, but he has had them since 2018 so it’s not a good deal I don’t think

[@DigitRacingDG]

Too old in my opinion. CRP are probably without taxes, so make sure to know which country they're shipping from.

[@FlamingCurtain]

@@DigitRacingDG the CRP is shipping from Norway, moza is the only brand selling here. There are some online shops selling simagic and others but at insane prices

[@easyvideott7505]

I wanted to ask, do these both pedals have that feedback like in a real car if you are driving faster then it's harder to press the brake and if you drive slower then the pedal is easier to press... I mean it can be pressed deeper... I hope you understand me?

[@DigitRacingDG]

Not really, you will always have the same feel no matter how fast you go. For something like that you have Simucube Pedals, but they are 10x more expensive, around 3k

[@easyvideott7505]

@@DigitRacingDG I see.... but then the only difference is how hard are they to be pressed... the CSL brake is easier to press and the Clubsport V3 brake is harder to press. Which ultimately leads to more consistency probably? And one more question.... what about those vibration "things" on Clubsport V3.... when and how do you feel them? I mean does it give some true feedback in certain situations, for example when car is vibrating or maybe when ABS is triggered... I don't know.... try to help me understand... I'm still considering to buy Clubsport V3 but your video didn't convince me that they're worth double the money :)

[@MStrange88]

Shouldnt the V3’s have a little rumble kit on the back of the throttle and brake?

[@anticommoncore4065]

Look at video 4:56. See the two round silver objects with the black circular band, at the top of the throttle and brake pedal? Those are the rumble motors. If you look closely, you can see a cam lobe like weight on the motor shaft of each motor. Those rumble motors are mounted upside down, with the shaft and its weight pointed down and motor pointing up. Being that the weight is purposely not balanced on the motor shaft, when it spins it creates a vibration onto the pedal. I own the V3's and you really don't notice the vibrations much. I just bought the CSL Elite V2's for $199 as a backup to the V3's, and to see whether I would prefer the V2 brake pedal over the V3 brake pedal.

[@КириллМихеичев]

@@anticommoncore4065 and how do you like elite v2? I’m thinking about what to take, clubsport v2 or elite v3. After all, in v3 both the clutch and accelerator are better.

[@anticommoncore4065]

@@КириллМихеичев After 7 months using the V2's I'm going back to the V3's. I still prefer the V3 brake a little more than the V2. There is a very slight side to side movement under heavy braking on the V2 pedal. Might be the alloy arm flexing slightly whereas I don't feel it on the steel V3 pedal. I also prefer the V3 load cell with Performance kit. I also prefer the V3 clutch when shifting classic cars on PC2. I also prefer the heavier spring included with V3 accelerator pedal. Then there is the added bonus of the pedal vibration motors, as they go well with the Formula V2.5 wheel vibration motors. But as a backup for my V3's, they're a quick temp replacement if needed. Just waiting for my DD+ to arrive and replace my CSL DD.

[@kevinbruijsten2404]

Do the Rumble motors work with gt7?

[@BillAshtonNelo]

I have the same question

[@DigitRacingDG]

That would be BLI settings, so you can adjust the brakes to vibrate at specific point

[@Malcolm1971]

Did they use the CSL loadcell at the GTWS?

[@Theyassinovic92]

No.

[@efenba]

I think they used the default pedals that come with the GT DD Pro. Back then when they used the TGT they used the default pedals and not the TLCMs

[@vjollila96]

seems like elite v2's are best value with these pedals

[@lestercombs1871]

Yes they’re worth it.

[@Super_gt87]

Waiting for Black Friday to pay v3

[@vibovit9851]

If you haven't bought it yet, hurry up because they are 299e now.

[@reviewforthetube6485]

A Tenth per lap on average is alot lol

[@JayKBra]

Both of these are a miss compared to the CSL Elite V2. Yup, both of them.

[@DigitRacingDG]

V2 next I guess

[@janthey]

When you're really competitive switch to PC and real Pedals. Owned Fanatec V3 and now I have the VRS pedals. V3 are completly trash compared to the VRS!

[@elitesennabubble]

they both look like toy grade pedals