Which is the Best Engine Valvetrain Design? OHV, SOHC, DOHC or Flathead | Pros and Cons

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@TheSeanUhTron
@TheSeanUhTron Жыл бұрын
Worth mentioning that flat head designs were still very common in small engines until recently. (Such as in lawn mowers and generators)
@davidbrayshaw3529
@davidbrayshaw3529 Жыл бұрын
And I don't miss them one bit! I went from a 4 hp. side valve Briggs and Stratten powered lawn mower to a 5hp Honda OHV and I couldn't believe the difference. The Honda uses about half the fuel and, to the nose, emits about half of the unburnt petrol. That said, I'd rather a '32 Ford V8 was sitting in my driveway than my Civic!
@formerice
@formerice Жыл бұрын
@@davidbrayshaw3529 Actually it took Ford a year to sort out the V8 Flathead motor. Very few 32's with original motors.
@tcmits3699
@tcmits3699 Жыл бұрын
Soviet T-34 tank. all aluminum V-12 DOHC diesel 4v per cyl, shaft driven valve train 85 years ago
@inmaniac
@inmaniac 10 ай бұрын
The video says this at 11:25
@PRH123
@PRH123 9 ай бұрын
There's a new light aviation flathead engine (d-motor). Air engines run at low rpm's (max 2500) so that's not an issue. The compact engine without the valve gear on top of the opposed cylinders is good aerodynamically. And the overall weight is a bit reduced.
@TheEulerID
@TheEulerID Жыл бұрын
@2:07 valve springs do not exert downward pressure on valves, they exert upward pressure on them, which is how they are closed.
@RazorStrap
@RazorStrap Жыл бұрын
Nope. The springs exert downward pressure. Down is not relative to earth and sky. But relative to the valve seat. Down is with the valve seated (closed). For instance, a lawnmower engine with a vertical crankshaft and horizontal stroke. The valves move (open and close) horizontally also. What is "down"? Down is valve closed. Thus, the spring exerts downward pressure on the valves.
@payforwin6697
@payforwin6697 Жыл бұрын
Thats what he said. But he forgot to mention the camshaft
@tcmits3699
@tcmits3699 Жыл бұрын
Valve springs only close the valves, that's it. Desomodromic valve train that's a different story
@galaxiedance3135
@galaxiedance3135 4 ай бұрын
They're basically there to make sure the valvetrain has no slack. If you're getting floating valves at high RPM, there's obviously clearance in the system because the rocker has stopped pushing on the valve stem because the height of the lobe is decreasing and the spring is still trying to pull the valve back tight against it's seat. You must get valves out of the way of the pistons in an interference engine. You also must have both valves closed by the time the power stroke starts or you're going to burn your valves.
@remoaustin2056
@remoaustin2056 4 ай бұрын
@@galaxiedance3135 Float at high rpm is the result of the cam cycling faster than the valve spring can match with resistance. The remedy is proper spring rate.
@coltbitter9495
@coltbitter9495 Жыл бұрын
This video helped explain to my son what is going on with my truck.
@georgejohnson1498
@georgejohnson1498 Жыл бұрын
One type you missed is the "F"-head, where the inlet valve is push-rod operated in the head and the exhaust valve is [as a side valve engine] in the block. This allows for two things. Smooth power and a huge inlet valve for good breathing. They were used by Rolls Royce and Rover from the early 1945 era until the late fifties in Royces, and right into the 1970s in Land Rovers. They are famously quiet, smooth [especially in in line six form], and robust. Neither Royce nor Rover really made performance cars, but they did build cars to last and be comfortable. Several Bentley variants of the Royces appeared that showed that such an engine could really perform in the grand tourer segment of the luxury are market, such as the Bentley Mark Six and the earlier Continentals, before Royce's own new V8 was adopted across the Royce and Bentley models. Nice video. Thanks from George [in UK].
@georgepruitt637
@georgepruitt637 Жыл бұрын
A "Flathead" with a correctly sized turbo would be ideal.
@RulgertGhostalker
@RulgertGhostalker Жыл бұрын
don't forget the Atmospheric IOE.....hey, it worked anyhow...
@francoisdvanderwesthuizen
@francoisdvanderwesthuizen Жыл бұрын
I've never worked on such an engine but from what I heard the were somewhat inefficient and not as reliable as they wanted it to be hence why it did not catch on.
@1crazypj
@1crazypj Жыл бұрын
Hi George, in the late 70's my brother had a Land Rover with that style engine. At 90mph, the 'aerodynamics worse than a house brick' meant the door tops got sucked out about an inch. You could also watch the fuel gauge dropping like the second hand of a watch! Video also missed out on Ducati with desmodromic valve operation (I don't think anyone else uses it?) The head shown around 7 minutes looks like a Triumph Dolomite, direct operation bucket one side and rocker for the other?
@tedstankunas7142
@tedstankunas7142 8 ай бұрын
Kaiser/Jeep used a F head design in the mid 50's the 134CID engine and the 161CID engine.
@honkhonkler7732
@honkhonkler7732 Жыл бұрын
OHV engines are ideal in countries that dont tax displacement. They make most of their power in usable revs, are light, compact, very fuel efficient and have very low service costs. The only drawback is that you need to give them a bit more displacement. The market needs another Buick 3800 V6. That engine made the same power (205HP) as most 3.0L DOHC V6s of its time, was smaller, lighter and got 31MPG highway moving large cars around the highway and are extremely reliable. I had a 2005 Mazda 6 and that car was smaller than something like a Pontiac Bonneville and only got 29 highway from a 2.3L DOHC 4 making 160HP.
@rumblertag1419
@rumblertag1419 9 ай бұрын
Definitely agree the family of engines is great and easy to work on
@AustinShockSS
@AustinShockSS 4 ай бұрын
The 3800 series II is an awesome engine, my kid is still driving my old Buick that is 23 years old and no issues.
@puebespuebes8589
@puebespuebes8589 Ай бұрын
Here in Europe we had OHV 2 liter 4 cylinder that where bullet proof. This is a proof that displacement is not the problem, the problem is that it's more expensive.
@PistonAvatarGuy
@PistonAvatarGuy 7 күн бұрын
They were not as fuel efficient as OHC engines, that's why they've mostly gone extinct. In 2005, the 3800 was making 205 hp and getting *worse* fuel mileage in the city, and about the same fuel mileage on the highway, as OHC V6s that were making ~250 hp.
@JakkeJakobsen
@JakkeJakobsen 5 күн бұрын
Comparing a 3.8L to a 3.0L, because OHV is stoneage tech
@michaelbenardo5695
@michaelbenardo5695 Жыл бұрын
Overhead Valve design does not automatically mean more low end, rather OHC allows higher revs with lighter valve springs due to the lighter valvetrain. Camming an engine for higher revs takes away low RPM torque. That is the reason Overhead engines tend to have more low end- OHC engines tend to have aggressive camshafts and therefore have weak low end.
@wiktorjachyra1869
@wiktorjachyra1869 Жыл бұрын
Thats not the reason at all
@michaelbenardo5695
@michaelbenardo5695 Жыл бұрын
@@wiktorjachyra1869 Ok, I will say it differently then: Pushrod overhead valve engines do not have more low end torque than OHC engines just because they are pushrod engines, but rather OHC engines have a light-weight valve train that allows the use of relatively soft valve springs. so those engines can use a more aggressive cam shaft without having to resort to the super-stiff valve springs that a push rod engine would require. That more aggressive cam shaft means less low end torque but more high end horsepower, and the fact that it doesn't need super-stiff valve springs also means less internal friction and freer-revving characteristics. This assumes everything else being equal.
@Tom-xd4ct
@Tom-xd4ct Жыл бұрын
You're right. NASCAR uses ohv engines and they rev over 9k rpm.
@blackericdenice
@blackericdenice Жыл бұрын
Why does the 2020 Corvette make 30 hp more than the 2019 Corvette?
@joebloggs4369
@joebloggs4369 Жыл бұрын
@@Tom-xd4ct In contrast, the Merlin engine in Spitfires during WW2 was a SOHC 4-valve per cylinder unit V-12. Peak power was at a mere 3,000 rpm.
@grolfe3210
@grolfe3210 Жыл бұрын
Triumph had a lovely Sprint engine that was 16 valve straight 4 engine. One cam, with one set of valves under it and the other side working off rockers but on the same cam! It was a lovely neat design that kept the engine quite compact. I always wondered why this configuration was never used more.
@williamgwyntreharne9966
@williamgwyntreharne9966 Жыл бұрын
I wonder too.
@grebo121
@grebo121 Жыл бұрын
Sounds like the Alfa Romeo "Busso" V6 ("Busso" is the italian word for "Bullshit"): - In 2.0TB it's quite a pointless design, really.. derivating from 4v/cyl. where they made 2v/cyl version - but still on twin-row, cross-flow valve-design: - The intake valve is driven, directly by the cam, with a rotating cup (tapper). I see some logic here.. Not the best, but quite simple. Classic design. Me - okay here. - For the exhaust - the cam's profile is offsetted on 90 deg. next to the intake - because the movement is picked up by a horisontal tapper - then, a push-rod - which drives the rocker; - the rocker, itself - hinges on a rocker-axle which is placed, where the exhaust-cam would stay if it was 4v/cyl. (WHY?! Why not go JUST with a second cam? Who does that!? And if "Nobody" - why?!?!) On the other side of the rocker is the adjustment screw for valve-clearance, and this drives the exhaust valve.. :D How stupid is that?!? - twice more complex design, with 3-4 more weakpoints, heavier - in order to LOSE power! Not like the 24v was something impressive, but 12v - blew my buttcrack, really. This is simply - combining weaknesses of DOHC's & OHV's. With none of the profits. (Let's say it's an Alfa-thing)
@jamesclarkson3009
@jamesclarkson3009 Жыл бұрын
Yes the dolly sprint engine was the first mass produced 4 valve per cylinder engine.
@rientsdijkstra4266
@rientsdijkstra4266 Жыл бұрын
@@grebo121 I had an Alfa 33 for many years, it ran like a train doing 200+ kph from a 1.6 litre engine, problemfree for more than 300.000 km. Lovely little car.
@dimikraa1135
@dimikraa1135 Жыл бұрын
honda d series and mitsubishi 4g92 has also 16V sohc, very compact but still allowing high performance for its size
@rientsdijkstra4266
@rientsdijkstra4266 Жыл бұрын
DOHC does not imply 4 valves per cylinder, although it makes it easier. There are many DOHC engines with 2 or 3 valves per cylinder (for instance the classic Alfa Romeo engines) and there are also 4 valve per cylinder designs with only 1 camshaft (such as the Triumph Dolomite Sprint, as someone else mentions). The main advantages of DOHC are certain kind of simplicity and lightness of the moving parts + ability to regulate the position of the both camshafts individually when you are going for adjustable timing arrangements.
@RobotDCLXVI
@RobotDCLXVI 8 ай бұрын
In what timing situation would you want the valves opening up unsynchronized on the 2 cylinder banks?
@michaelbenardo5695
@michaelbenardo5695 Жыл бұрын
The valves in an Overhead Valve engine are not in the block, they are in the head. Flathead engines have the valves in the block.
@timmccreery6597
@timmccreery6597 Жыл бұрын
You got that right. Even the diagram they used pictures the valves in the head.
@bloodspartan300
@bloodspartan300 Жыл бұрын
Ohv engine are also known as cam in block engine.
@rolandotabasco8386
@rolandotabasco8386 Жыл бұрын
Dohc sohc ohv
@Francisco-sx7th
@Francisco-sx7th Жыл бұрын
Very comprehensive and clearly explained. Thanks!
@jimrusch22
@jimrusch22 Жыл бұрын
There never is a best, always an engineering compromise. It is all about the initial design criteria.
@drtracernum20
@drtracernum20 Жыл бұрын
I'd say that's incorrect. The overhead valve is much better in regards to efficiency than a flathead. The same goes for overhead cam vs cam in block, have more options for size of valves, number of valves, and chamber design, not to mention intake and exhaust port design and size. Dual vs single overhead design means you can more specifically tailor valve timing, geometry, and again number of valves per cylinder. You don't really want to control four valves per cylinder on one cam.
@millenialmuscle8254
@millenialmuscle8254 Жыл бұрын
Weight and packaging are a determining factor. So you are wrong. Corvettes get the same gas mileage as Civics. How is that for your efficiency.
@External2737
@External2737 Жыл бұрын
I agree, a compromise. Flathead is out of date, but has the advantage of liquid cooling the exhaust improving durability. Inlet over exhaust also has this benefit. OHV has a place in low Octane environments (as does the above ) OHC does make the most *of 87+ octane economically. But that wasn't always the case with gasoline. DOHC is great for high Octane fuel, 89+
@verothacamaro
@verothacamaro Жыл бұрын
@@drtracernum20 I think their point is that if you have limited space, you may need an OHV design to maximize the available room. Likewise for reliability, required maintenance, etc.
@pgtmr2713
@pgtmr2713 Жыл бұрын
Flexibility is best. Variable intake, variable timing, variable compression, variable displacement. Direct injection is best til the intake gets carboned up. Turbo beats supercharger though. C4s made 250-275 horses until DOHC LT5 came out. 50% more power, 200% the price for the car. Chevy should've stuck it out with that setup and learned to build the engines themselves. Develop improvements along the way. The ZR-1 was the only interesting C4.
@VoxOptimatium
@VoxOptimatium 6 ай бұрын
A fantastic video with one error. At 11:12 the labels for the graphics are mismatched. The OHC label should be on the left, and the OHV label should be on the right.
@oneyplayes465
@oneyplayes465 3 ай бұрын
I scroll down just for this lol. Thank you!
@jamesfrench7299
@jamesfrench7299 Жыл бұрын
My 89 Mazda 323 has the very reliable B6 series engine. It has a single overhead cam and 8 valves. The peak torque comes low at 2500rpm and you feel it. High end power is low however and you feel that also. It behaves more like an OHV motor.
@robertnagy2456
@robertnagy2456 8 ай бұрын
GM engine X16SZ is same.
@7runner4
@7runner4 8 ай бұрын
Thank you for posting this. It was very effective in communicating the differences in the configurations.
@tommywatterson5276
@tommywatterson5276 Жыл бұрын
OHV / center cam. Used for decades and time tested.
@Wolfcamp555
@Wolfcamp555 Жыл бұрын
Over head cam is even older.
@2seep
@2seep Жыл бұрын
It’s ok for small application, terrible for high horsepower
@Pooby1000
@Pooby1000 4 ай бұрын
@@2seep I think there have been one or two pushrod engines that were actually pretty big and made some decent power.
@Baribrotzer
@Baribrotzer Жыл бұрын
".....Which is the Best Engine Valvetrain Design? OHV, SOHC, DOHC or Flathead?....." Depends upon the application, the budget, and the fuel.
@michaelbenardo5695
@michaelbenardo5695 Жыл бұрын
The combustion chambers in a flathead are in the head. It is the valves that are in the block.
@arthurfricchione8119
@arthurfricchione8119 Жыл бұрын
Just subscribed excellent video packed with historical and useful information. Thanks for sharing. 👍
@castirondude
@castirondude 7 ай бұрын
I like the Detroit Diesel setup that has the cam gear driven just below the head, with the rollers mounted to the head. It gives all the advantages of OHC without the extra complication (labor cost) of dealing with chains and cams and all that when doing a head job. (EDIT: Talking about the 71/92 series, I don't know anything about the later model stuff)
@thurbine2411
@thurbine2411 5 ай бұрын
Amazing video. Good pictures as well as good explanations of advantages and disadvantages as well as history. Perfect
@keithartworker
@keithartworker Жыл бұрын
I always thought OHV naming instead of calling it pushrod was a 80s way improving pushrod's PR problem during the Japanese flood of overhead cam and DOHC offerings. After all, they all have valves up top.
@orlandocolom
@orlandocolom 4 ай бұрын
One advantage mentioned on DOHC is the 4 valve per cylinder. But there are SOHC engines with 4 valves per cylinder, many Mitsubishi' since the 90's and 2000's had SOHC with 4 valves per cylinder. I had a few and even today I have a 2.4 SOHC Outlander, discontinued in the last redesign.
@user-ws2cr3jh4r
@user-ws2cr3jh4r 29 күн бұрын
I get a 7th gen Honda civic SOHC 4 cylinder and 16 valves
@julianmiles6604
@julianmiles6604 Жыл бұрын
Some single camshaft engines had the cams directly mounted over the tops of the inlet and exhaust valve’s leaving space for spark plug; for example the Coventry Climax racing engine which was also used in Hillman Imps and fire engine portable water pumps.
@dankline9162
@dankline9162 2 ай бұрын
The vw 8v (single intake and exhaust) engines did if i follow you. No rocker arms. I suppose the cam could be offset to the side too in some engine designs for clearance.
@Gearz-365
@Gearz-365 Жыл бұрын
I think an interesting topic would be discussing Coates spherical rotary valves. They're simple and efficient
@bluto3426
@bluto3426 Жыл бұрын
@jamesharrison6201
@jamesharrison6201 Жыл бұрын
And with the doubling of the power output from the Coates heads negates the use of forced induction set ups. And for the low end pockets that most of us have, Rhoades lifters does away with trying to pay for roller rockers
@Gearz-365
@Gearz-365 Жыл бұрын
​@@jamesharrison6201Exactly. Keeping things mechanical while improving overall performance and efficiency
@carlosb1
@carlosb1 Жыл бұрын
I will take OHV any time
@timmotel5804
@timmotel5804 Жыл бұрын
Excellent, well presented and very educational. Thank You and Best Regards.
@MAVERICK302
@MAVERICK302 4 ай бұрын
I really grateful with all this videos, they`re been helpful for me to learn all this car items. Thank`s again. Congrats, great videos.
@01Z06guy
@01Z06guy Жыл бұрын
Video seems to think OHV engines cannot have four valves per cylinder. This is incorrect. See Ford diesel, for example.
@TundeEszlari
@TundeEszlari Жыл бұрын
You are a very good KZbinr. ❤
@billymania11
@billymania11 Жыл бұрын
All things being equal, rpm determines power. The higher you can rev, the more juice you get. Obviously DOHC engines are best for high-end power. I stipulate that Chevy has done a fine fine making their ancient OHV designs perform well.
@geoffmooregm
@geoffmooregm 7 ай бұрын
This is true. For the mundane duties we perform every day, the OHV 2 valve engines work just fine, plus it's smaller, lighter, and cheaper than an OHC engine. So many people believe they need a DOHC engine with VVT, V-Tech, and all the other fancy crap when all they do is sit in traffic on their way to work. I do love my Toyota V8, but I dread the day something goes wrong. An old Vortec or LS is a much more user-friendly engine.
@username-mk8gf
@username-mk8gf 3 ай бұрын
The low compression of a flathead shouldn't matter if it's force induced, and I could of swore 4 strokes have a dedicated intake stroke and that scavenging was more of a 2 stroke problem. The float could be solved with a desmodromic cam, which would never have a problem with lubrication in the crankcase and does not need springs.
@weavercattlecompany
@weavercattlecompany 7 ай бұрын
OHV 😊 I just love chains, belts, and tensioners that fail causing massive damage when the piston repeatedly smashes into the valves 😈
@Nokšė0
@Nokšė0 Жыл бұрын
now i understand so much of valve train i mean those pictures tells you everything
@19max84
@19max84 5 ай бұрын
Everything I Always Wanted to Know About Valves (But Were Afraid to Ask)!
@jitendrasahu868
@jitendrasahu868 Жыл бұрын
What an easy explanation... The best ever video i have seen ever😊
@anthonyjagroom
@anthonyjagroom Жыл бұрын
Because of you guys i know everything about V6 engine and combustion engine how it's work. Thanks for you guys
@AnthonyAnakapu-bm3ui
@AnthonyAnakapu-bm3ui Жыл бұрын
I have been studying Diesel & Petrol Engines or Fuel Injector Engines & Spark Plug Engines for 15 Years now and will continue to Automobile Engines also.Studies are way ahead....Still studying to Master the Application on Engines..Anthony Anakapu.
@Amberlynn_Reid
@Amberlynn_Reid Жыл бұрын
Bro honestly no one gives a fuck
@truthadvocacy
@truthadvocacy Жыл бұрын
15 years is almost half the career time of an engineer in any profession.
@wmden1
@wmden1 Жыл бұрын
The answer to the question in the title depends on whether best actually means in terms of power, torque, speed, or reliability or durability, or all. My considered opinion, and taking life experiences into consideration; If the quality of materials for all designs are high and equal for all configurations, of course the dual overhead cam gives the highest volumetric efficiency, power and speed, especially if more than two valves per cylinder are present. That said, the drive linkage for the multiple cam shafts is more complicated than the other designs, with many more moving parts , and can be prone to more instances of wear and catastrophic failure. As for reliability and durability, the flat head valve train is the simplest, and least prone to failure, with no rocker arms, or push rods and either a gear or chain drive for the camshaft. Bottom line for the flat head is that the design is dependable, but efficiency is not very good compared to the others partly because the fuel/air mixture has to be lifted up, against gravity, into the combustion chamber. To me, the push rod, overhead valve, and single overhead cam engines, strike a happy medium between the two extremes I have referred to, with reliability and efficiency both taken into account. I will add that any interference engine, with a fabric timing belt, is asking for catastrophic trouble, I don't care how efficient and powerful it is.
@MrBlackbutang
@MrBlackbutang 4 ай бұрын
If you have to watch the video you are big learning curve ❤
@PORSCHE911TurboGTRX7
@PORSCHE911TurboGTRX7 Жыл бұрын
I graduated from university with a degree in mechanical engineering. I think that the age of electric vehicles is coming, but I think that conventional internal combustion engine vehicles are the best materials for learning mechanical engineering.
@RazorStrap
@RazorStrap Жыл бұрын
Electric won't be for the masses for at least another decade. Even then it will take several more decades to attrit current ICE from common use. There may also be hydrogen ICE etc.
@smesui1799
@smesui1799 Жыл бұрын
Did you or were you required to take any classes in electrical and/or computer engineering ?
@Mohammadkwt
@Mohammadkwt Жыл бұрын
The problem with electric cars is they are luxuries and very expensive to buy. Like everytime an automaker showcases one is fully luxuries and not making a practical model. So far the ford lighting and mach e are the practical electric vehicles with "ok prices" unless if I missed other brands. This is where automakers should start instead of throwing high end editions.
@brocluno01
@brocluno01 Жыл бұрын
For some slow speed applications an L head (valve in block) is a better option. The old flat head Ford 8N tractor can, in some cases, out work it's modern cousins. Outwork here is defined as plowing more acres with the same sized plow on less fuel burned.
@michaelbenardo5695
@michaelbenardo5695 Жыл бұрын
A flathead, with it's simple light weight valvetrain, has less internal friction, everything else being the same. That gives it an edge in mechanical efficiency.
@bluessrv1
@bluessrv1 Жыл бұрын
Love these videos!
@E.Wolfdale
@E.Wolfdale Жыл бұрын
OHV owner here. :D
@cujet
@cujet Жыл бұрын
The Honda CX500/CX650 and various diesel engines use pushrods and 4 valves. Done correctly, this setup has the obvious advantages of each design.
@HadirBalabassi
@HadirBalabassi Жыл бұрын
Terima kasih telah berbagi ilmu, smoga bermanfaat.
@bnnttdenn
@bnnttdenn 2 ай бұрын
The low compression of Flat head engines worked okay on pre WW2 engines because Gasoline octane was so low that most engines run between 4 to1 and 6 to1 compression in the 1930's 6 to1 was a very high compression engine...
@GTFORDMAN
@GTFORDMAN Жыл бұрын
3:07 you had OHV & OHC back to front!
@MrBikeagraman
@MrBikeagraman Жыл бұрын
That's right, he labeled the OHC diagram as OHV, and the OHV diagram as OHC. It's been two weeks since he uploaded the video, I wonder if he is aware of the error. I hope he reads these comments and will make the necessary correction. Otherwise it's a decent educational video for newbies.
@aaronrocs
@aaronrocs Жыл бұрын
I came here to say that too. Wanted to see if anyone else noticed that.
@Bal4833
@Bal4833 Жыл бұрын
I noticed that too. Had to back it up to make I saw what I thought I saw.
@michaeltb1358
@michaeltb1358 Жыл бұрын
What about desmodromic valve systems? Used mainly by Ducati, but I assume by others.
@8x8snooptracing48hr-mz1do
@8x8snooptracing48hr-mz1do Жыл бұрын
I think reliability n efficiency durability is best for everyone to transport from work family travel n people that are not mechanically incline, it would be best for the world to all ideas to built that one engine , even old inventions work , as a realist
@MostlyBuicks
@MostlyBuicks Жыл бұрын
Push rod OHV for me please.
@jerrychase4177
@jerrychase4177 Жыл бұрын
Push Rod Engines are the most practical engines. BMW Boxer Oil Head 4 Valve Engines used in R1100, 1150 & 1200 RT & GS are good examples.
@bottmar1
@bottmar1 Жыл бұрын
You are so correct. Working on push rod engines is so much less hassle.
@RohanSanjith
@RohanSanjith Жыл бұрын
I like the high revving Japanese engines so timing chain for life🎉❤
@danielklopp7007
@danielklopp7007 Жыл бұрын
The "oil-head" boxer twins from BMW are technically "in-head cam" engines (with very short pushrods). The oil-head engines have two camshafts (one in each head), unlike the older "air head" engines that had only one (centrally located) camshaft.
@BabakRaissifard
@BabakRaissifard 2 ай бұрын
Perfect Explanation . Thank You !
@ryanroberts1104
@ryanroberts1104 Жыл бұрын
GM has proven with the LS engine you can have an old fashioned OHV cam in block and still keep up with and exceed the other guys with any other valve system. To say it limits performance is BS, and it's less complicated to less parts to break.
@billymania11
@billymania11 Жыл бұрын
You just need large displacement cylinders to compete.
@corneliussianturi476
@corneliussianturi476 7 ай бұрын
@@billymania11 OHV 520cc singgle cylinder can produce 33 HP, seem win win for me, actualy for motorbike that need bigger CC, but still love fuel economy and high low torq and small gear usage with CVT, it's would be just fine, cause actualy CVT make torq more exist with OVH engine set up,
@ShennenYangis
@ShennenYangis 5 күн бұрын
this explanation is very helpful
@ELPaso1990TX
@ELPaso1990TX Жыл бұрын
OHV is the best as there is no belt or chain that can break causing seriously expensive damage to the engine. After all radial piston aviation engines use OHV and push rods.
@danielklopp7007
@danielklopp7007 Жыл бұрын
FYI: virtually all automotive pushrod (i.e. OHV) engines have cam timing chains (or belts)
@nerd1000ify
@nerd1000ify 8 ай бұрын
Radials use pushrods because it's impractical to use overhead cams on them at all (you'd need a camshaft for every cylinder. Try that on an 18 cylinder radial!). Water cooled inline aircraft engines usually used overhead cams. E.g. Rolls Royce Merlin was SOHC.
@simonm1447
@simonm1447 7 ай бұрын
​@@danielklopp7007pushrod is typically used today by lower rpm diesel engines (since they have an RPM limit) like commercial truck engines. These use gears to drive the camshaft. In Europe push rod does not exist in car engines, not even 50 years ago
@mpetersen6
@mpetersen6 Жыл бұрын
What is the engine designed to do? What RPM range is it expected to operate in. Lower RPM OHV is perfectly acceptable. High output low displacement. DOHC w/4 valves per cylinder.
@raineschweikert
@raineschweikert 5 ай бұрын
The video was really helpful visually but the clicking and typing sound effects were distracting for listening.
@patriklindholm7576
@patriklindholm7576 Жыл бұрын
Define the parameters of "best". The context and especially the timeline plays a major part, thus the question is as ill-defined as when asking which snake is the biggest. Considering length or weight?
@Uswesi1527
@Uswesi1527 Жыл бұрын
Based on my long long experience, OHV , is the best valve -train design. Period. Thanks
@billymania11
@billymania11 Жыл бұрын
It's good in tractors.
@alstound
@alstound 10 ай бұрын
Said no one ever!
@froehlcj
@froehlcj 9 ай бұрын
The Renault 16TS had an OHV engine and dominated many races at the time
@mvnorsel6354
@mvnorsel6354 8 ай бұрын
Must be true as you used ' period '.
@aimxdy8680
@aimxdy8680 4 ай бұрын
@@alstoundSaid everyone, LS is the most swapped engine in the world. Cry more, DOHC is slow ☠️
@JohnsJohnson-ns5xm
@JohnsJohnson-ns5xm 7 ай бұрын
There’s no question about the overhead valve. Much lower center of gravity, lighter engine, and infinitely simpler, and the parts that typically fail on dual overhead cams and such as chains and chains guides are eliminated.
@kochetkovski5530
@kochetkovski5530 Жыл бұрын
It sounds and looks great. Thanks for your efforts
@threemglobal
@threemglobal Жыл бұрын
Very good info
@srinathtg4623
@srinathtg4623 Жыл бұрын
Another decade later, with the push of electric vehicles, these entire mechanical marvels of engineering would totally be forgotten by the new generation, it's already dying, most younger kids don't care about these things anymore. Sad.
@rdsledge
@rdsledge 6 ай бұрын
It depends for longevity go with KISS ! Which would be over head valves with push rods. Fewer moving parts.
@PistonAvatarGuy
@PistonAvatarGuy 7 күн бұрын
OHV engines have more moving parts. OHC engines typically eliminate the need for the rockers and the pushrods.
@sanlinkin_8362
@sanlinkin_8362 Жыл бұрын
Great appreciation👏
@schaenderdesabschaums9023
@schaenderdesabschaums9023 2 ай бұрын
Maybe in the near future, the freevalve technology becomes more popular, when the technology is a bit better
@rushyg1006
@rushyg1006 Жыл бұрын
Amazing😊👍
@pandekage1233
@pandekage1233 Жыл бұрын
OHV is the best when working on a engine.
@MultiSrinivas007
@MultiSrinivas007 Жыл бұрын
Can you make a video, Some Manufacturers says 24.31PS@6500RPM & Some says 43.5PS@9000RPM and 32Nm@4000-4500RPM & 35Nm@7000RPM. Can you explain or make a video please.
@michaelbenardo5695
@michaelbenardo5695 Жыл бұрын
We use Brake Horsepower @RPM, and Lbs. Ft. of torque @RPM.
@danielklopp7007
@danielklopp7007 Жыл бұрын
@@michaelbenardo5695 ... I think you meant to say, "In the United States, we use...". Germany historically used PS as a measure of power. Most of the rest of the world now lists engine power in KW (KiloWatts). Here are the conversion: 1 BHP = 1.014 PS; 1 BHP = 0.746 KW. BHP, PS and KW are all valid measures of power, just using different units.
@ianlewis6717
@ianlewis6717 Жыл бұрын
It would make more sense if the flathead valvetrain was explained first.
@michaelbenardo5695
@michaelbenardo5695 Жыл бұрын
Mechanical knowledge is not this Internet Generation's forte.
@Fred_the_1996
@Fred_the_1996 Жыл бұрын
Idk, there are quite a few of my high school friends who are into engines. I am personally restoring my uncle's old car that was broken and abandoned for some years, videos are on my channel
@gugugaga2251
@gugugaga2251 Жыл бұрын
Im a teenager and i really do enjoy watching these videos, really interesting to know, i hope more of this generation would get interest in this
@randoorlando443
@randoorlando443 Жыл бұрын
I love it
@notpoliticallycorrect1303
@notpoliticallycorrect1303 Жыл бұрын
I share the same belief, the simplistic description offered here seems to reflect that. I was recently showing my nephew, a 22-23 year oldmedical student, how a clutch works,using an actual flywheel,clutch and first motion shaft on my bench and he still took some time to get it,despite his mum, my oldest sister,a 56 year old house wife getting it the first time. I had a young girl drive in the other day who honestly thought that her gear lever and it's gaiter were the entire transmission system, I decided against trying to comprehend the ignorance.
@Wingedmechanic
@Wingedmechanic Жыл бұрын
I am from 1987, and I could tell apart a banjo bolt from a regular one, know what a cotter pin or woodruff key is, can tell an oil bearing apart from a grease one, and has pretty decent dexterity to torque down fasteners on a valve cover or journal bearing halves evenly without stripping them. Trust that counts.
@DirkWrightxyz
@DirkWrightxyz Жыл бұрын
You forgot desmodromic valve trains. See Ducati motorcycles. The system increases hp by reducing valve train resistance. There are no valve springs in a desmo head.
@danielklopp7007
@danielklopp7007 Жыл бұрын
The other advantage to desmodromic valve actuation is a (theoretically) higher red-line. That said, pneumatic valve springs (as used in all other MotoGP engines other than Ducati's) eliminate the higher red-line advantage (but pneumatic valve springs are impractical for production engines).
@180msdavid
@180msdavid Жыл бұрын
I want to know more about the other types of valves. sleaved and rotary
@АндрійКорнійчук-х3ж
@АндрійКорнійчук-х3ж 8 ай бұрын
Thanks a lot 4 the video, it's really very interesting.
@vd4534
@vd4534 Жыл бұрын
To jsou takzvané spodové motory, kde jsou ventily vedle válce ovládané spodem od vačky.🤔🤩
@philipfreeman72
@philipfreeman72 Жыл бұрын
Go opposed piston 2 stroke & get rid of all the excess .
@android584
@android584 Жыл бұрын
2 stroke Diesel only though... Never heard of a petrol/ gasoline version entering service.
@angelgjr1999
@angelgjr1999 Жыл бұрын
@@android584Lawn mowers are 2 stroke.
@williamgwyntreharne9966
@williamgwyntreharne9966 Жыл бұрын
I support opposed piston 2 stroke.
@danielklopp7007
@danielklopp7007 Жыл бұрын
@@angelgjr1999 I don't think there are any 2-stroke lawn mowers available today.
@joaquinaguirre2976
@joaquinaguirre2976 5 ай бұрын
Super! Thank you so much for it.
@mojtabaismaili9444
@mojtabaismaili9444 Жыл бұрын
Very useful. Thanks for sharing
@kentstructures4388
@kentstructures4388 11 ай бұрын
pushrod v8 lowend rumble is music to my ears..
@ohgfrrgujbggffg
@ohgfrrgujbggffg 9 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for teaching
@Absalonrascon
@Absalonrascon 3 ай бұрын
Dual camshaft engine design are found in sport cars. Typically, with racing cars, because they require better acceleration and speed. Like he said, DOHC engines, ultimately have better performance.
@utoob7361
@utoob7361 8 ай бұрын
For simplicity, low cost, compactness, light weight, reliability, and long life, pushrods win hands down. But that doesn't matter, because soon everything will be electric. Ha ha. I'm keeping my old truck forever.
@ariefpoerniawan
@ariefpoerniawan 3 ай бұрын
Is not about which is best… but depent on what you need.. OHV is best for comercial with high torque, SOHC is suitable for day to day city car.. while DOHC is for high performance..
@jasonneugebauer5310
@jasonneugebauer5310 7 ай бұрын
Awesome video, thanks.
@victorrosario4109
@victorrosario4109 7 ай бұрын
Great video. I learned.
@Toolaholic7
@Toolaholic7 5 ай бұрын
Overhead valves,easiest to work on.The dohc and sohc,a pain in the ass to time and work on
@wildrussel7967
@wildrussel7967 Жыл бұрын
🎉Enjoyed a lot . Thanks.
@tirebiter1680
@tirebiter1680 Жыл бұрын
The Flat head was more of FORD able!
@edwarddejong8025
@edwarddejong8025 Жыл бұрын
I think this nice video would be enhanced by adding in the 5th choice for valvetrain design, which is the MultiAir system invented by Fiat research labs in Northern Italy, which uses an electro-hydraulic system to achieve software control of the intake valve; a very reliable system that is used widely in the Stellantis universe, and this system trounces the Honda's VTech and the other two speed cam mechanisms. Multi-air is so fast that it can open and shut the intake valve twice in a cycle if it wanted to. Fiat invented common rail diesel, licensed it to the germans, and then got their butts kicked by their licensees, so this time around they learned their lesson and didn't license it. They don't advertise it any more because the marketing dept figures it will cause people to be afraid. But it is the best system for intake cam in wide use today, and IIRC it offers about a 10% improvement in overall engine performance, because by being able to adjust timing and duration to exactly match the current air temperature, gas octane, and air density, you avoid all the compromises that a single or dual cam system inevitably contains.
@christianarmari6899
@christianarmari6899 Жыл бұрын
Il multiair da un sacco di problemi oltre a mangiare olio
@crisibarra6850
@crisibarra6850 18 күн бұрын
OHV is how Harley-Davidson V-Twin engines are configured
@jeremylister89
@jeremylister89 Жыл бұрын
You missed out gear driven. Honda VFR750. Super reliable.
@elebeu
@elebeu 5 ай бұрын
Judging by the simplicity, reliability and superior power output of the Chevrolet LS pushrod engine compared to the double overhead cam Ford stuff, I say you have your answer.
@2LZA3EEM
@2LZA3EEM Жыл бұрын
You can add turbo to flathead engine to increase compression 😄
@michaelbenardo5695
@michaelbenardo5695 Жыл бұрын
A blower does not increase compression, it greatly increases breathing.
@vd4534
@vd4534 Жыл бұрын
Obojí, kompresní tlak vlivem většího množství směsi 🤔🤩
@jamesharrison6201
@jamesharrison6201 Жыл бұрын
Back in the day, you could get a set of Denver heads for the flathead fords because they were machined for more compression
@andgate2000
@andgate2000 3 ай бұрын
Depends on how fast u want to rev.
@audiogarden21
@audiogarden21 Жыл бұрын
7:59. Did the author have a stroke? "More the power more is full consumption"??
@kybble
@kybble Жыл бұрын
Best engine is engine with less parts
@RazorStrap
@RazorStrap Жыл бұрын
IYO. Others value other things more. Like efficiency and reduced pollution.
@ryanu6424
@ryanu6424 Жыл бұрын
What about free valve or camless engine?
@catchnkill
@catchnkill Жыл бұрын
Free valve has not been in mass production yet. It is a vapourware. It is good for billionaire who drives their hypercar as toy and does not rack up mileage. There is a China car manufacturer that has licensed the Freevalve tech. They make a prototype to demonstrate in a China carshow. Nothing heard since there. They silently drop the project. Thus Freevalve is not the real deal. If you have billion, you can ask fancy hypercar maker to make you one. That's it.
@svendtveskg5719
@svendtveskg5719 8 ай бұрын
SOHC is absolutely preferable for the home mechanic.
@robertvanderlinden2813
@robertvanderlinden2813 7 ай бұрын
tractors mostely use ohv engines because they don't need to rev high anyways and require a lot of torque
@GumerTheGum
@GumerTheGum Жыл бұрын
Lawnmowers wich flathead are still there😊
@simonm1447
@simonm1447 7 ай бұрын
It has advantages for lawn mowers since the efficiency does not play a major role and the engine can be produced cheaper. Displacement also does not play a role there, so low compression isn't an issue.
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