Ireland's Division Was Never Supposed to Last 100 Years

[@rossstewart9475]

As a Scotsman, there's a major mistake here: The plantations were not done by the English, they were done by the British - only a very small minority of them would've considered themselves English, with the majority considering themselves Scots, and the overwhelming majority coming from the Scottish lowlands. At the same time those landlords sent across were not Scots highlanders, they were lowland Scots and English gentry who'd themselves been granted land in the north of Scotland, and would've overwhelmingly identified as British subjects of King James.

[@rainbowthelolcat]

W scot. W knowledge.

[@johnnotrealname8168]

Yes and no. Many of them were dissenters too.

[@chrislambert9435]

Whatever independence was won by the Irish Republicans was Later handed over to European Union

[@bmc7434]

Just so people aren't confused, They aren't British or Scot. They aren't culturally related to them at all and hate them a lot. Majority are a mix of Danish and Saxons and usually go by the term Reivers. They arrived in Northern England and Eastern Lowlands of Scotland around 800 - 1200AD. Mostly migrating from the Saxon Kingdoms of England and Jutes of Denmark.

[@ashton1952]

​@@bmc7434sounds more accurate

[@joeavreg2254]

There is a reason the term "Potato Famine" is used specifically while all other sources say "The Famine". The potato was the only crop affected. Ireland was England's granary and produced, once you removed the potato, food for (estimates can vary) 15-18 million people. The potato blight was natural, the famine was manufactured. You can read treatise from the time about how we needed to be culled by a disease or a mass starvation for the good of the Anglo-Saxon breed to prevent the degeneration of the superior race with cross-breeding. There was also a not small contingent that was pushing for a silent sterilisation of the Irish Race so our extinction could be hurried along since we were so inferior we would be wiped out eventually anyway.

[@Rumkitty2000]

😢😢😢😢😢

[@lawLess-fs1qx]

Malthusian Darwinism was considered Scientific fact in the 19th centery. Look at the Depictions of Irish as untermensch in the British Media during the famine. Many Anglo Saxons thought it a good idea to starve the sub humans to death, hence the armed export of food from Ireland.

[@johnnotrealname8168]

The issue after the first couple years was that the people could not afford the food. If grain exports were halted the Irish economy would flounder.

[@joeavreg2254]

@@johnnotrealname8168 what Irish economy? This is the thing that drives me crazy. There was a whole other country whose power shaped the economy. People couldn't afford food before the blight. People relied on potatoes because they still grew in soil other plants wouldn't grow in. Keep in mind the economy had already been forcibly halted since sheep farming and textile production in Ireland, owned by English industrialists, was threatening the textile and sheep farming of more powerful people. They banned it and that meant an awful lot of people went from paid employment to subsistence farming.

[@johnnotrealname8168]

@@joeavreg2254 Well some farmers did travel but the Potato was very nutritious. Also I mentioned the economy of the island of Ireland. You do know that parts of countries have economies too right?

[@dansweeney4530]

The 1798 rebellion was not a catholic led or inspired rising. For the most part it was led by Presbyterians , also on the receiving end of the penal laws over the years and not members of the established Church.( Anglican).

[@paulrimmer391]

@@dansweeney4530 The Presbyterians were on the receiving end of nothing. It's all BS.

[@charlespirate1]

Irish republicanisms great failure is becoming sectarian.

[@paulrimmer391]

@@charlespirate1 It was all a Jesuit plot to divide the people of the British Isles, no more.

[@johnners911]

@@charlespirate1 Not so much a failure of Republicanism, but a success for the coloniser.

[@joeavreg2254]

@@charlespirate1 Sectarianism was instituted by the coloniser when they realised they were uniting the working class. Racism served the same purprose. People forget the Sectarianism in the North was manufactured to break the Trade Unions up.

[@eugeneomalley8407]

This is a good analysis of the politicical situation, particularly that you note that the oath of alliagiance to the British king was percieved to be more abhorrent than partition.

[@toyotaprius79]

It was a slap in the face on top of merciless wounds

[@marymcgilloway5707]

P on

[@DoveringFifths]

Ironically the Irish also supported the Royalists against Cromwell, who brutally decimated the Irish population.

[@showbizsam4440]

Shite on.

[@chrislambert9435]

Whatever independence was won by the Irish Republicans was Later handed over to European Union

[@Gillemear]

Well, we were kind of governing ourselves during the English Civil War. The Irish Catholic Confederacy controlled all of Ireland except the North and Dublin from 1642 to 1652 until it was destroyed by the Cromwellean Invasion. Only 10 years, granted, but was still an Irish state which by all accounts was well run and flies in the face of the racist sentiments of the Victorian period of the Irish being unable to govern themselves.

[@komodosp]

also worth mentioning that many protestants in the North were afraid that an Irish free state would be Catholic and so then they would become the oppressed. "Home Rule is Rome Rule" was a slogan

[@hugh081]

And looking at the Free State and later Republic, were they wrong? A special place for the RC Church enshrined in the Constitution, which was given immense influence beyond its role in civil society, informing divorce laws, running orphanages &c.. If Irish Catholics wanted to live like that, fine, but it would've been evil for the British government to subject the citizens of Belfast to that. Nowadays, the Republic's politics and civil society seem to be set on a more rational basis, although the glorification of notorious paedophiles - like Sir Edward Casement - and murderers is still concerning. But if the people of Northern Ireland voted to join the Republic then I think the Protestant community couldn't expect to be treated much worse than they are now, and they'd be joining a country which is about as prosperous as Great Britain (more prosperous if you believe all the cooked GDP stats).

[@Richard1A2B]

There's no shortage of Protestants living in my County, Wicklow, who live their daily lives very successfully.

[@barneymagee3285]

@@Richard1A2B but they had to conform, and keep their heads down, lucky I suppose , compared to other parts.

[@Richard1A2B]

At Barney, No, they didn't... I was married to one... and her father was Clergy...

[@paulrimmer391]

@@komodosp 40,000 protestants were driven out at gunpoint following partition.

[@alphax4785]

As a student of Irish history, this is a very good 20 minute overview of the whys and hows of the partition. One thing not touched on so much is just how much power the Northern Irish unionists truly had in basically 'gerrymandering' the f out of the land they would get since if the territory was too large it would include way too many Catholics and thus the whole thing would collapse into full reunification at some point. If OTOH the territory was too small (many proposals only had three counties) then again full unification would be inevitable since London would just get tired of the troubles of that vestigial territory. But instead with the 6 country territory they created a 'Goldilocks' of being just small enough that at the time and for decades afterwards there was a strong majority of unionists but large enough that Northern Ireland had enough territory, population and economic clout to wield considerable influence in London.

[@olliephelan]

mmm........Youre leaving out economics. They definitely wanted this statelet to be self sufficient.(as much as possible) They needed catholic owned land and farms to feed the state. If it had been only 3 counties then they would have been reliant on exports from the Republic (cheaper than from Britain). They were never going to hand a trade boom like that to a freestate or republic.

[@jcoker423]

@@olliephelan If London had not agreed to the CTA, the the Free State would have collapsed within 20yrs. Instead they could export their excess (hard-working, well educated) people to the UK rather than have them unemployed & taking up arms against Dev and his corrupt mob. Good luck to the people of N Ireland in making their determination about who governs them.

[@martinmoore4401]

Drawing a boundary to reflect majorities either side isn't gerrymandering.

[@olliephelan]

@@martinmoore4401 It didnt reflect majority. It was originally drawn as a military boundary . If it reflected majority thered be only 3 counties.

[@martinmoore4401]

@@olliephelan Yes it did. The majority in NI wanted to remain part of the UK and the majority in the rest wanted to separate. It wasn't originally a military boundary.

[@SusanClarke-o5q]

Plainly 12th century plantation was not mainly of Protestants, coming some centuries earlier than the reformation. Also the late 18th century revolt against British rule was led by Protestants. Bit of an over simplification of religious, political and ethnic difference there!

[@bobloblaw10001]

@@SusanClarke-o5q yeah that bothered me too. There weren't much in the way of English protestants until the times of Henry VIII around 1530.

[@tedvillalon4139]

I believe that it was the Pope that gave Ireland to the English king.

[@johnnotrealname8168]

@@tedvillalon4139 That seems to be dubious actually. The Normans did claim it but some scholars think it never existed.

[@mango2005]

The first plantation was the Laois-Offaly plantation by Mary I, but she was Catholic.

[@AAA-fh5kd]

You picked up on two of the most glaring problems with this cartoonish attempt at sharing history

[@garymacdonald7165]

For people who dont understand the difference between Great Britain and United Kingdom:- 1. Great Britain is an island (Scotland,England,Wales) 2. 🇬🇧 United Kingdom is Great Britain + Northern Ireland The border is between the United Kingdom 🇬🇧 and 🇮🇪 Ireland (no British border exists). Celtic v Rangers is a reflection of the politics on this Island!

[@stevoc9930]

It's amazing the amount of British people that don't even know this distinction.

[@johnnotrealname8168]

Strictly speaking Great-Britain represents the union of the Crowns of England and Scotland (The Parliament of which is the English one.). The island has nothing to do with it.

[@chrislambert9435]

Whatever independence was won by the Irish Republicans was Later handed over to European Union

[@garymacdonald7165]

@@johnnotrealname8168 No,I'm afraid your completely out of your depth on that one,in fact,if I remember,the Romans were even calling this island Brittanica thousands of years ago! Great Britain was name of the island first! When Scotland and England where joined together in 1707,it changed the name to "Kingdom of Great Britain"! Have you got that? Right now go away!

[@johnnotrealname8168]

@@garymacdonald7165 Okay, I meant that Great-Britain referred to the political union of the two Kingdoms. The term does not designate a Kingdom over an island, hence United-Kingdom.

[@davidlinehat4657]

1798 was not a Catholic rebellion. It was led by Wolfe Tone, himself a protestant. It was an extension of the French Revolution, but that's a longer story

[@joeavreg2254]

The need to add the layer of religion onto it is itself a tool to erode class solidarity. It was starving workers rebelling against the landlords and the rulers. Even looking at the North back in the day they needed to undermine the unions so they did what they had to to make sectarianism work. The unfortunate truth is a significant number of men (beyond any race, religion or creed) will betray all good ties and side with a weirdo who tells them they have magic sperm.

[@johnnotrealname8168]

Theobald Wolfe Tone please.

[@AAA-fh5kd]

It was Ulster-Scottish Presbyterian and inspired by the American Revolution. You're clearly eurocentric.

[@johnnotrealname8168]

@@AAA-fh5kd Bruh! They literally allied with the French!

[@ChristopherMurray-uy4um]

A Republican revolution,that's when French revolutionists gave Irish revolutionists the tricolor first flown in Waterford city,it was many things to many people but it started the rebellions is agreed upon or do I thought

[@Damontable]

You skip far too much between the 12th century and the 1600s and leave out much. The English who invaded in the 12th Century were catholics themsleves as that was before the protestant reformation and in fact they had the approval of the pope in Rome who gave the King of England the title Lord Protector of Ireland. Rome saw the English invasion as a way to bring the Irish church in line as it wasnt following Romes doctrine exactly. The English who did invade in the 12th Century had by the 1600s inter married a lot with the Irish and adopted many Irish customs and were known as Anglo Irish. The Plantations of the 1600s under the now Protestant English Monarchy should be seen as a seprate thing altogether from the initial invasion of the 12th Century as their specific intent was ethnic cleansing, population replacement and extermination of the Irish people. English pamphlets at the time protrayed the Irish as savage as justification for the English to exterminate them, a common tactic even still used similarly today by our news channels (read govt propaganda machines).

[@johnnotrealname8168]

Lord Protector? I think you mean Lord of Ireland. He was also Lord of Gascony. It probably had nothing to do with the Pope. Also the Norman Irish were English Catholics who refused to become protestant.

[@Damontable]

@@johnnotrealname8168 no the title was Lord Protector of Ireland. And it was granted by the Pope. Your point about the Norman Irish being catholics who refused to become Protestant is a gross generalisation. Some did become protestant.

[@johnnotrealname8168]

@@Damontable I am unaware of any reference to Lord Protector. It was claimed to have been so, it is disputed. Okay...presumably some did and some did not.

[@Damontable]

@@johnnotrealname8168 you are correct re Lord of Ireland, my mistake. Im confusing things with Oliver Cromwell. And yes ive just found some sources debating the Popes role.

[@davidmartin9879]

It must be borne in mind that the pope of the time , Pope Adrian IV , had in fact been English and has been the only English Pope to date !!. He issued the Laudabiliter as a `letter of approval´ to grant Henry II the lands, if I am not mistaken. Whether that was connected to his religious beliefs or leanings towards his compatriots is another debate. Ireland had a strong history of religious development previously, especially during the Golden Age from the 6th to the 8th /9th century, however there had been negative reports later of its people as backwards and pagan-like in moral values, ( which could have been said about other peoples throughout Europe too!!)

[@Gillemear]

You miss the economic incentive behind partition. That region of Ulster was the industrial heartland of Ireland. Industries such as shipbuilding and flax production were strong and vibrant there, whereas the only real industries on the rest of the island were alcohol and biscuits production. For the Unionists, it was essential to remain connected to the supply chains of the UK and the rest of the British Empire to keep these industries going and for the British it was an imperative to keep control of the industries of the region, particularly the shipbuilding industry. Never underestimate the importance greed plays into all this!

[@johnnotrealname8168]

Well the main argument the Irish had was the poor economic management of the British so not exactly Greed.

[@Gillemear]

@johnnotrealname8168 Have to disagree. Just prior to the Great Famine, 90% of Catholic Irish farmers, who had been forced to sell their land due to the land division laws of the Penal Laws era, were paying 90% of their income out in rent to Anglo-Irish and British landlords. This left them unable to cope when the potato crop failed. So, when you see series like Brigeton or any Jane Austin movies, remember when those English toffs got their money!

[@johnnotrealname8168]

@@Gillemear Land division dealt with inheritance law not sale. Penal Laws were not in place anymore. I am pretty sure 90% was not taken, they could pay their rents until the potato crop failed because they were starving then. Well that is true yes.

[@Gillemear]

@johnnotrealname8168 The Popery Acts, or to give their full title " The Act to Prevent the Growth of Popery" (1704 and 1709) were one of the first Penal Laws passed and enshrined in British law that lands owned by Catholics were subdivided amongst all sons on the death of the landowner, unless the eldest son converted to Protestantism. It was not "abolished" until the 1839 Roman Catholic Relief Act but by then had been in effect for several generations (135 years) and most Irish Catholic holdings in Ireland had been reduced so much as to be unviable. This lead the majority of landowners to sell their land to British or Anglo-Irish large estate owners and then rent the land back. By 1845, the first year of the Famine, this was the rule, not the exception, throughout the island (except in Unionist Ulster). It was not rectified properly until the Irish tenant farmers were given government loans in the latter half of the 19th century after a bloody period of sectarian violence after the Famine, known as the "Land War". As for paying the rent, well in depended on how much land you rented and where in the country you were situated but as there are documented cases of families selling off everything they owned to afford rent in the years prior to the famine, or many only having the clothes on their backs, and rags at that, as the famine raged on and that rent payment was the number one source of unrest during the Land War, I have to question your assertion that 90% of tenants had no problem paying it prior to 1845. The very fact that the vast majority of the Irish were reduced to eating one type of food exclusively should be a solid indicator that there was something very rotten (excuse the expression) with the system at a very basic level.

[@marklittle8805]

Greed? Should a business owner just accept a political change that could wipe out their business and investments?

[@johnrockyryan]

What my Irish brothers should have realised back then is that Catholic or Protostent they were still Irish people fighting for freedom, the British government used Religion as tool to divide the Irish people amongst eachother.

[@freerangefool3121]

Although technically true, it's strange to say that the English colonised Ireland. The Normans conquered England in 1066 and systematically eradicated the English from positions of power and took over their land. The first King of England to speak English as a first language was Henry IV, 300 years after the Norman invasion. England was as colonised as Ireland. The Norman kings, as almost every other king at the time, wanted more, so turned their attention to Ireland.

[@gregoryturk1275]

It’s more modern so it’s bad😂

[@martingomel1611]

The English plantations occurred in the 16thC. The Norman conquest was in the 12thC.

[@freerangefool3121]

@@martingomel1611 That's right, so by that time the monarchy had claimed sovereignty for four hundred years. Monarchs routinely stole land when they could, so if they thought it was their birthright, as in this case, they would do as they pleased with it. They didn't care about the people: English, Irish, Welsh - just hands to be put to work to earn money for the crown. Irish people like to blame the English when the English people had nothing to do with it: all the work of monarchs who exploited anyone born in "their" realm.

[@adrianred236]

Yea, the English language almost died out as the ruling ascendance spoke Frence. Ironically, what saved the English language was the French Invading Normandy. The ruling class needed to unite everyone in England under a united banner to take back the "homeland" I.e. Normandy so they adopted English. We had a similar situation in Ireland. The Norman's or "Old English" had gaelicised by the time of the plantation of Ulster. The new religion which was forced on everyone in Ireland, including the Fitzgeralds, the Burkes etc. etc. caused the long term problems which are still there today unfortunately.

[@bobloblaw10001]

This video mentions Anglo Norman conquest of parts of Ireland.. but only for a few seconds.. then it skips to the 17th century.. the time of Queen Elizabeth and then King James There were no protestants during the Anglo Norman era.. not in the modern sense of the word protestant anyway. Everyone was catholic, even if Irish catholicism was a big different than Anglo-Norman.

[@paulrimmer391]

Remember the Scots are an Irish tribe who conquered Caledonia. Dal Riata is an ancient Ulster-Scottish kingdom.

[@NorthSon]

Not true, the Scotti tribe came from what is now Northern Ireland and settled in the Western Highlands. They didn’t conquer the entirety of Scotland. We may have got our namesake from what the Romans called the tribe, however to say Scots are all from these people is incredibly inaccurate and revisionist history. The idea of the Irish conquering Scotland is largely rejected by academia. i would look into the archaeologist Ewan Campbell who has studied exactly what you are claiming, he came to the conclusion that it’s a myth as there is no evidence of it occurring. If the Scots had arrived from Ireland in large numbers we would expect them to build dwellings of similar types to the ones they left behind. No such evidence has been found, nor do the place-names of Argyll suggest that a mass of Gaelic-speaking immigrants supplanted an indigenous Pictish or British population

[@paulrimmer391]

@@NorthSon Trite. The Scots leaders Fergus & Kenneth MacAlpine became overlords of the whole of Caledonia hence its name change to Scotland. Secondly, of course we are all one moving around our wonderful British Isles. Irish separatism is a Jesuit fiction.

[@NorthSon]

⁠@@paulrimmer391 It’s not trite, it’s academic literature. You obviously didn’t look into it in any detail due to how fast your reply is. Sorry but the claim isn’t taking serious in academia as it’s mostly a load of shite. Yes many Irish settlers did impact clanship within the Highlands, but it’s the same the other way round too. Many Scottish settlers impacted Ireland before the 1500’s. Overall however your claim if Ireland conquering Scotland really is bollocks. Also, Scotlands name didn’t go from Caledonia to Scotland. It was called Caledonia, then Alba in the 9th century and then changed to Scotland after a few centuries.

[@noelter]

They were mainly northern English and lowland Scottish who were sent over to become the planters in Ulster.

[@barryb90]

@@NorthSon "Northern Ireland" didn't exist, They also weren't Ulster-Scots, they were Gaels from Ulster. It is also not rejected by academia, it just is simply unknown to what extent if it was a migration, an invasion of the Western Isle and Highlands or the adoption of Gaelic Culture and Language by Picts.

[@JiMcCo]

This is an excellent telling of Irish history. Very informative. I grew up in Northern Ireland and went through all my school years without learning about any of this. It’s only in recent years that I have been able educate myself and cancel out the years of misinformation. Great stuff.

[@rogerwilco2]

I am shocked these things are not taught in school, even in Northern Ireland. I would think it essential knowledge to understand the current geographical and political situation.

[@JiMcCo]

@@rogerwilco2 it’s all about keeping part of the population compliant and ignorant. People in the North don’t realise that they have a shared history and culture. Northern people aren’t better or different. We do the same jobs. Play the same sports. Endure the same crap weather. Ulster exceptionalism and unionism has been dealt a death blow by Brexit. Watch this space. Ireland north and south are better off in Europe. Time is running out for Northern Ireland.

[@dinkster1729]

What were you taught? I'm Canadian. We had a textbook in Ontario that was called "Canada: A New Land" and, then, by the same author, "Canada: A New Nation". Lots of history was glossed over. Our rebellions of 1837? No mention of bloodshed and exile or sympathy for the rebels. It led eventually to responsible government. No mention at all of efforts to stamp out French schooling in Ontario. No mention of efforts to stamp out Roman Catholic schools by underfunding them. No talk really of the Irish Potato Famine and it's effect on the increase in the Canadian population. No mention of Newfoundland history at all really,except, maybe, the fact that the Vikings arrived there maybe. I'm talking about the 1960s and the textbooks hadn't been updated yet. Anyway, what were you taught in Northern Ireland schools?

[@JiMcCo]

@ I was taught nothing about The Easter Rising. The famine. Any of the previous rebellions. Why it was important for Britain to have a presence in Ireland. Why it was so important for the Catholic Church to have a presence in Ireland. Why did Ireland have two oppressors for so long. All the important issues ignored because no one wants the population to start asking awkward questions. I can’t name many of the 36 counties in the Irish Republic but I could name all of Henry viii’s six wives. That has been handy over the years. Not!

[@Craicfox161]

The arrow is a bit misleading at 1:29. The settlers were lowland Scots rather than highlanders and people from the borderlands. Also some northern English it is said. This new British identify was forged in Ulster through a split of English and Scottish migration. The majority population in Ulster were however Scots by the end of the 17th century.

[@xtramail4909]

Not giving any excuses but my great grandfather who went to Antrim was a MacAloney which is derived from the name Maelanfaid mentioned in the Iona Chronicle, a name brought to Scotland by migrants from Northern Ireland when they spread Christianity to the Picts. My great grandfather therefore was actually going back to his ancient indigenous land but this is zero excuse for how those were already living there by the time he went back were treated.

[@AAA-fh5kd]

and it's "Crack" unless you're writing 'as gaeilge' ffs.

[@AAA-fh5kd]

@@xtramail4909 Ulster is Scottish.

[@xtramail4909]

@@AAA-fh5kd yes but my point is that some of the Scots who moved there actually have ancient connection to the land, while others don’t.

[@userNKg11]

​@@xtramail4909well, I am puzzled by how many posters insist the planters were solely English and lowland Scots, when there are so many Gaelic planter surnames? I know that there were many planters in Donegal who came from argyle.

[@DazM781]

Did I read that Herbert Asquith was in power 1916-18? That was incorrect. Lloyd George became Prime Minister during 1916 and remained in Office right through the Irish war of independence. Asquith was Prime Minister between 1908 and 1916.

[@hughofIreland]

I’m shocked and disappointed beyond repair at this video. It was simply an excellent analysis. I’m a nationalist from the north (passive aggressive lack of capitalization), so when I hear a narration on anything to do with Irish history from someone in North America or England, I brace myself for an immune response. None was forthcoming. Excellent job!

[@johnshooter4763]

I too can be passive aggressive in my lower case about catholics and celts, who not native to Northern Ireland or republic of ireland but are from Germany!

[@matthewallen3811]

Some of my ancestors were given a plantation in Derryloiste, and Armagh during James the VI, the family was Scottish Covenanters, and one of the patriarchs of the family was killed in an uprising. They left in 1736 to America and fought in the revolutionary war. I also have family who fled Ireland in 1848 and 1853 during an Gorta Mór, because my family was living in Connemara, County Clare, County Cork, and County Kerry, they were hit by the famine especially hard. They fled and lived in New York and fought in the Civil War against the South. Thanks for covering something very dear to me.

[@simonwiggins8570]

I live on the border in Northern Ireland. For not at least a majority favour remaining within the Union. A growing number of Catholics are happy within the UK also. Northern Ireland has its own identity and regional culture different from that of the rest of Ireland.

[@DrVictorVasconcelos]

That's the entire program of settler-colonial states. Hold down the land you raped until you get to play that "self-determination" card.

[@DrVictorVasconcelos]

"Oh, the poor sons of the rapist colonial mafia, they did nothing wrong 🥲" *stares at the still alive victims*

[@MrToymaster1]

That’s something people fail to realise The republic just dosen’t appeal to the majority in Northern Ireland Polls show the main issue is healthcare with Northern Ireland opposing the republic’s lack of a free at the point of service universal healthcare system

[@johnners911]

Cork has a very different identity and culture to Dublin, as do Kerry, Antrim, Mayo and Derry. All Irish nonetheless.

[@corkboy4523]

@@MrToymaster1I guess we’ll find out for sure after a border poll. Until the it’s just speculation really. Plus don’t forget that benefits are far superior in Ireland as is the economy. Economics will decide.

[@conzilla1796]

From an Irish person this was unbelieveable, also a note 50,000 Irish soldiers were sent to Europe during WW1 in hope of getting home rule/ more freedom in Ireland

[@marievictoire1939]

In the 1921 treaty The Free State had pay to the UK Land annuities and other disproportionate payments towards their national debt. NI got to keep these payments but not the South this part of the story goes on till the 30s.

[@Craicfox161]

Makes sense

[@colincampbell4261]

The Irish share of UK national debt was cancelled in 1925 when Ireland accepted the border.

[@marievictoire1939]

1925 London agreement but the annuities continued.

[@chrislambert9435]

Whatever independence was won by the Irish Republicans was Later handed over to European Union

[@johnnotrealname8168]

@@colincampbell4261 Ireland did not accept the border in 1925.

[@olcooksy6132]

This is a very good topic. You might want to be more careful with the terms, however, as you tend to use words like "catholic," "republican," and "nationalist" interchangably. This confuses some of your points: the 1798 rebellion was a Republican uprising (led by Presbyterians), rather than a Catholic movement; 19th century Catholics tended to support Nationalists (some who wanted to return to the pre-1801 kingdom), not necessarily Republicans.

[@zombiedalekweck2243]

Lovely watch, it should of course be Northern Irelands choice. London, Edinburgh, Dublin, Cardiff, etc other capital. Should not get a say. Northern Ireland should be allowed to forge its own future forever. Whether that be of unification or unionism.

[@johnnotrealname8168]

I hate the way people have formed these terms.

[@Klynch111]

The terms of the good Friday agreement was that both South and the North vote on the issue of the north, and if it joins the Republic or remains with the UK

[@SiVlog1989]

Based on what I've researched, it wasn't really the Anglo-Irosh Treaty that split Ireland, it was two other factors. The first occurred the year before, in 1920. That year, in an attempt to find a temporary resolution to the ongoing war in Ireland, the British government passed the Government of Ireland Act. This partitioned the Island into Nortgern Ireland and Southern Ireland. The reason was because what Nationalists and Republicans wanted were so drastically different from what Unionists and Loyalists wanted, that it was a compromise to try and satisfy both. It gave two self governing assemblies to Ireland, one in Dublin and one in Belfast. However, while King George V himself opened the Northern Irish Parliament, the one in Southern Ireland wasn't established. The Act was seen as out of touch with what those wanting an Independent Ireland wanted, not wanting to be part of the British Empire, let alone the UK. However, as violence was increasing, including two Bloody Sundays, 1920 and 1921, and neither side being anywhere near defeated, a truce was called. This is where the second part comes in. In the Anglo-Irish Treaty, there was an opt out clause for Northern Ireland, which was exercised straight away, thus Northern Ireland never joined what became the Irish Free State. There were attempts to tidy up the border, with a border commission, but this didn't get anywhere

[@johnnotrealname8168]

Actually the Articles of Agreement (1921) did peeve people. As for the Government of Ireland Act (1920), it actually satisfied no-one. The Northerners did not want Home Rule and got it. The Southerners by this point wanted something more than Home Rule and well did get that. Northern-Ireland was in the Irish Free-State briefly actually.

[@onandon-nq1zw]

Dear oh dear. The United Irishmen organisation was established by the Ulster Presbyterians who suffered similarly under the penal laws which did not apply to Church of Ireland (the English Church in Ireland) and from "Rent Racking" by the Absent English landlords. It was inspired by the American Revolutionary War where emigrant Ulster Presbyterians were prominent in the fighting to such an extent that King George commented it was simply a "Presbyterian Rebellion". The United Irishmen organisation spread to the other three Provinces and Henry Joy McCracken, whose family established and owned the Belfast Newsletter - the world's first newspaper, kicked off the Six Mile Valley and County Down Saintfield rebellions. It wasn't the Presbyterians, whose descendants now march on 12th July, who created the Orange Order or the Black Organisation. That was created by the Established Church of Ireland before the 1798 Rebellion with the intention of splitting Presbyterians from their Roman Catholics compatriots. It took the best part of the next 100 years for that separation to be consolidated with the Land Commission of the 1870s/80s delivering the right to buy their rented land to Presbyterian tenants. That was the biggest divide and conquer episode in British history. The 1798 rebellion was never taught in my grammar school in the 1960s. I learned that from my ancestry research. A large cabal of wealthy Presbyterians and C of I/C of E individuals, mainly resident in England, the likes of the Craigs, the Carsons etc pushed the Ulster independence cause for self gain. Carson was disappointed that Craig, not him, became the first NI Prime Minister. The UVF, a different version of what it was to become, was created as a defensive and persuasive tactic to split Ireland politically. That organisation was sacrificed at the Somme as the 36th (Ulster) Division surpassed only by the brave Newfoundlanders to its left. The Cabal wanted to claim all nine counties of Ulster as an independent country but the UK decided it would be the "Six Counties" with it's higher ratio of Protestants to Catholics which would allow the "permanent" existence of Northern Ireland as a state. There was no intention for NI to be a terminating state.

[@johnnotrealname8168]

The Ulster Irish actually were categorically not under the same land arrangements as the rest of the Irish. This was a major cause of the land league movement. The presbyterians were under the Penal laws to a lesser extent, indeed the laws against Catholics were themselves being attenuated (Theobald Wolfe Tone supported such measures for example although he was anti-clerical.). As for the rest, Edward Henry Carson, Baron Carson, to his immense credit I might add, was not that anti-Catholic. He supported the proposal for a Catholic University and wanted the new Northern State to be non-sectarian. Also he was elected to the British Parliament for Ulster.

[@onandon-nq1zw]

@@johnnotrealname8168 I agree with all that you say. The impact of the Penal Laws was indeed far greater on Roman Catholics. Unlike Tone, Carson was from the period when Unionism/Orange Order had finally taken hold within the Presbyterian community so his lesser level of bigotry didn't help.. Craig was more hawkish. The story of County Antrim's own Robin Hood, Nessy O'Haughan, is a great example of Catholics helping Protestants and vice versa in the 18th century. He took from the wealthy and gave to the poor regardless of creed. In return the Six Mile Valley Presbyterians helped him evade capture and sheltered him in their Ballyboley and Glenwherry booleys.

[@scooby1992]

Wow , I didnt know that . Thank you . I jdidnt know Presbyterians were also discriminated against by the establishment . You wouldnt know it now as I believe Presbyterianism is fairly strongly associated with the Orange Order and the C of I are more moderate . That is my understanding as an Englishman . Happy to be corrected though .!

[@johnnotrealname8168]

@@scooby1992 No, that is exactly correct. Even in 1912 the Church of Ireland folks were moderate. The change came in the early 1800s.

[@ericswatzell5091]

Not famine, Trevelyan genocide.

[@mikefish8226]

To be fair, anti-Catholic laws applied in Great Britain too, not just Ireland.

[@MrToymaster1]

Aye; the claim of right in Scotland all but barred Catholics from existing within Scotland

[@userNKg11]

Is that a justification?

[@mikefish8226]

@userNKg11 It's called historical context and that it wasn't specific to Ireland. So go away with your nonsense.

[@MrToymaster1]

@@userNKg11 I’m a catholic

[@MrToymaster1]

@@mikefish8226 exactly I’m a catholic myself

[@mauricekelly9849]

Greetings from the Emerald Isle, thank you for this excellent account of a complex situation. We owe a huge debt to the people of the revolution. Thankfully times are better today, with a bright future ahead.

[@SeanOCuinn.]

We’re going through a plantation like never seen before, the main Ulster plantation took in 20,000 planters over 30 years, last year we took in more than 125,000 economic migrants from around the world, bright future indeed, fires are generally bright I suppose……

[@jamesseaman2950]

The government of Ireland long ago sold out the people of Ireland and now rules it as a colony of Brussels.

[@Rumkitty2000]

Not if you let ourselves be taken over by the migrants your government has let in. You once fought a much more powerful government and succeeded in overthrowing in. Looks like you may need to do the same with your own. Where's that Fighting Irish spirit I've always heard of? The migrants are not compatible with Western Civilization. Ireland didn't fight so hard for its independence only to lose it 109 years later, to a group from a far away land with a completely different culture and religion.

[@ashton1952]

​@@Rumkitty2000amazing how a certain department caused the colonization, and now when it receives some consequences is very quick to try dump them onto Ireland.

[@Rumkitty2000]

@@ashton1952 The Brits don't have the authorization to send migrants to Ireland.

[@samwill7259]

Eventually the Irish people decided they were so very tired. Best to have peace and let the future figure itself out, violence was never going to solve the problem, not violence against each other at least

[@bigbird6039]

That’s exactly right, if the people in NI are left to get on with it eventually a peace will be lasting. A Nd any changes will come by naturally. There is so little difference between the inhabitants on these islands, a change of government isn’t worth the loss of one life.

[@Unborn-Stillborn]

​@bigbird6039, you clearly have no clue about the depth of hate for what England did in Ireland amongst the native Irish people. To think it would've just eventually just sorted itself out is beyond naive. Ireland was force to speak in the only language the British empire understood, bombs and bullets. When you're treated worse than an unwanted dog for hundreds of years you're eventually going to bite back.

[@Unborn-Stillborn]

you clearly have no clue about the depth of hate for what England did in Ireland amongst the native Irish people. To think it would've just eventually just sorted itself out is beyond naive. Ireland was force to speak in the only language the British empire understood, bombs and bullets. When you're treated worse than an unwanted dog for hundreds of years you're eventually going to bite back.

[@bigbird6039]

@@Unborn-Stillborn I care little for the depth of hate that exists in Ireland. I know a certain demographic use historical injustices to perpetuate perceived victim hood. I know that the Irish are pretty thin skinned and can’t take any criticism without having a complete meltdown. This sort of neurosis is an obstacle for a lasting peace. You remember our ancestors not dying of hunger, but you ignore pregnant women and children being killed at a religious ceremony. Grow up.

[@barneymagee3285]

@@Unborn-Stillborn your indoctrination seems very deep…..

[@nozrep]

My ancestors were McCluneys and the earliest record I could find of them online was like, from the 1870s, around the time of the famine I think. Very interesting!

[@senanshortt5521]

The famine was in the 1840’s

[@patrickwhiteNewryBard]

Surely you must mean Genocide one crop failure a famine does not make. Britain drafted in 30, thousand troops into Ireland to guard the ports and granaries. While food sailed away on every tide to Britain Ireland was the breadbasket of England. Their bodies lie in an unbroken chain all along the eastern shore of Canada from Partridge Bay New Brunswick to Fort Erie and especially at Gross Ile Québec. They will be Remembered so long as love and Music lasts.

[@jgog59]

This is an excellent account I take issue with the famine being called the Famine because it was a genocide hidden behind a famine. This famine occurred all over Europe but because of English policies only the Irish perished.

[@batcollins3714]

There was no famine "all over Europe". One crop failed in Ireland and all the other crops were sent to England by English landlords thereby causing the genocide of millions of men, women and children.

[@Three_Lions-1986]

Not true. Northern England had famine. The food was sold to the British military not England. Stop your lies. ​@batcollins3714

[@jcoker423]

@@batcollins3714 Irish landlords, the folks in the E of Ireland exported their crops, while the W starved. Actually there were famines all over Europe at the time and it was over 2yrs.

[@martinmoore4401]

It wasn't genocide.

[@jgog59]

@@martinmoore4401 be gone little Britain whoever your minion for learn history

[@wisconsinatIon]

This is an interesting view of a most complicated situation. Let me point out a few points of ongoing confusion you missed the opportunity to clarify. For one, you reference the "king of England," but the last Monarch of England was probably rightly Queen Anne, since after her time monarchs on the island of Great Britain went by greater titles. Also, many people (perhaps largely restricted to US) simply do not know the difference between England, Great Britain, and the United Kingdom; less yet that these geographical and political terms have evolved over time. When I first visited the Republic of Ireland in 1983, I naively took a photograph of a Garda Síochána vehicle, and wound up being forced to cough up the roll of film that was in the camera. It was quite sad, as I had just photographed swans on a nearby lake. I was in a county bordering Northern Ireland, and security was on a high level even then. I also then learned that in Ireland, the word "film" is pronounced with two syllables. Citizen of the USA here.

[@Ivftinianvs]

No mention of the Irish border around parts of Boston, New York and Hartford, in Northeastern USA.

[@zeplyn-r6]

What?

[@Ivftinianvs]

⁠@@zeplyn-r6being facetious as so many Irish moved here after potato famine that they outnumber population in many parts of Ireland proper.

[@irishanonymous1]

The rising in 1916 was in part not widespread due to the countermand from Eoin McNeill, a code was used in the newspaper that cancelled the rising, efforts were made to change it last minute but word didn't travel fast enough across the country for a coordinated action to take place outside of Dublin

[@Joseph13163]

I heard catholics were not allowed to own a horse of over 5 pounds rather than dismounting height however it does amount to the same thing because the height of the horse is linked to its value.I would go with the 5 pounds myself you are probably correct but for simplicity sake i would stick with 5 pounds.Also i would say Pearse didn't want to kickstart Home rule because home rule would never have been enough for him or his colleagues.Very good analysis overall however i would like to have seen more about the troubles and denial of basic civil rights to catholics in Northern Ireland as it does play into the current situation on the island.

[@lervish1966]

Catholics are harassing, intimidating, discriminating against Protestants.

[@Dan4CW]

Not owning a horse worth more than 5 pds was from the Penal Laws. Those laws were from 1691 to 1778

[@johnnotrealname8168]

@@Dan4CW Some Penal Laws existed until 1829. For example entering Parliament.

[@TABSF1]

The GFA allows for unified Ireland but that has to be agreed by a referendum of the citizens of Northern Ireland. Not looked in a while but there is no appetite for unification even after Brexit in Northern Ireland. The largest growing party in NI at present doesn't actually take a stance on Republicans or Unionist, they are more focused on the bread and butter issues. Ireland unification is still decades away, minimum imo.

[@Macca-rb5ok]

Partitioning an island nation to satisfy an ethnic minority's bloodlust was never going to work - yet another crime of the British Empire. As an Ulster person I look forward very much to the reunification of the Irish State, true democracy must be allowed to run its course.

[@dontnoable]

A reunited Ireland within our lifetimes!

[@martinmoore4401]

By the same logic partitioning the British Isles to satisfy an ethnic minority's bloodlust was never going to work.

[@maniacsmaxs6815]

Welp partitioning Ireland from the UK was never going to work.Afterall Ireland was a minority and true democracy needs to run its course so Ireland needs to be annexed back into the UK proper.

[@markgrehan3726]

Was the island ever unified though?

[@martinmoore4401]

@@markgrehan3726 it was united under English force, not previous to that. Rather ironic.

[@patrickcullinane7461]

Self Rule is Self Respect Everyone Born on the Island of Ireland Are Classified as Irish In England and Everywhere Else in the World 🌎

[@RobertCadman-vn9ts]

Well done lad. Excellent piece. Being an Irish person, I applaud your attempt to " keep the mice at a crossroads". This subject is among the most convulte and evasive in recorded history. Our island is a votive landscape. An entire, open air cathedral. There is no corner of Eire that is not blessed. Blessed by the ancient earth goddess. 800 years is an eye blink.

[@quinntheeskimooutdoors6234]

Thanks for sharing 😊

[@komodosp]

Good analysis (other than the pronunciation of Pádraig! 😉 ) but I'm curious how the 6 counties "opted out" of home rule - as in, who decided? Was it just some executive decision? was it a referendum? Because I know most catholics couldn't vote in the North right up to the 70s (I think) so would they have veen allowed to vote on this decision?

[@johnnotrealname8168]

The six counties did not opt-out of Home Rule, they got Home Rule. They opted out of the Irish Free-State. It should be noted that the protestants were the majority. Catholics could vote but the electoral system favoured the majority, first-past-the-post instead of Proportional Representation. This existed in the rest of the U.K. but in Ulster it pretty much disenfranchised all Catholics.

[@scooby1992]

@@johnnotrealname8168 If I am right , it was decided that the Ulster counties of Donegal , Cavan and Monaghan had majority Catholic populations so were excluded from Northern Ireland .I believe with demographic change the only remaining counties with majority Protestant populations are now Antrim and Down although no doubt there are Catholic areas within them and Protestant areas in the other 4 counties . You can see this with political maps too . Northern Ireland as a whole voted remain in the 2016 EU Referendum , but the areas voting most heavily for leave are represented by the TUV , DUP and UUP , and are furthest away from the border with the Irish Republic and contain protestant majority areas and conversely the areas that voted remain and contain the most Catholic areas are all near the border and are represented by SF and the SDLP.

[@tonyharrishawk5596]

you are brilliant big sub here

[@nmsports01]

As an Irishman that lives on the border. I must say this is very well put. 🇮🇪 we will be united very soon.

[@AAA-fh5kd]

naw ye wullnae.

[@leonb2637]

Two items to note as to the current situation of the continuing partition. One is the UK's infamous 'Brexit' that set up a serious problem with the border, including trade and migration. The second is that the Catholic population in NI is growing faster than of the Protestant population.

[@johnnotrealname8168]

The Catholic population always grows faster. They are also not necessarily Nationalist anymore. As for Brexit, not necessarily a problem.

[@victorradu9645]

Is there any other state except Germany that was split and then reunited in modern times?

[@redtob2119]

Vietnam

[@Rumkitty2000]

Vietnam was split by the French? They didn't have real authority

[@johnnotrealname8168]

@@Rumkitty2000 No, they were split by the communists.

[@Nahasapasa]

Yemen?

[@caseclosed9342]

In the 90’s they made a biopic about Michael Collins starting Liam Neeson. To this day it’s one of my favorite Liam Neeson movies.

[@marcusmaher-triskellionfil5158]

The Wind that shakes the Barley (Ken Loach 2006) is a superior film.

[@Nym146]

Irelands division will last as long as the majority of those living in northern ireland will it so and anyone that has a problem with that needs to get over it.

[@DrVictorVasconcelos]

So until the UK becomes a failed state because of Brexit and low birth rates? Can you give a more precise estimate? 10-20 years? Or will the financial industry in London and the money laundered in the British Virgin Islands hide the collapse of the UK economy for a little longer than that?

[@johnnotrealname8168]

@@DrVictorVasconcelos What?

[@davidmartin9879]

Interesting analysis. Indeed, the drawn-up partition was looked upon as something temporary ( The Boundary Commission dissolved around 1924-5 with the perceived idea of tweaking certain areas) Its dissolution is something which puzzles me and I would like to know if someone has details on this. I believe a team of 4 or 5 people formed the core. Plus why did the Irish government not scrutinise the Commission more? . Setting up the partition came about from officials using old boundary maps going back centuries, and not using natural boundary lines to streamline a more coherent partition. Hence, the porous access when crossing ( the Drummully polyp, plus the need to construct 2 bridges to Lust Beg island in Lower Lough Erne in Co. Fermanagh among other routes.) Furthermore, was owning the waters around Lough Foyle and Carlingford controlled by the Free State ?? Let me know

[@chrislambert9435]

Whatever independence was won by the Irish Republicans was Later handed over to European Union

[@johnnotrealname8168]

It is not about natural boundary lines but population. The Irish wanted more Irishmen not less but the Commission actually gave Northern-Ireland some protestants presumably.

[@HaniiPuppy]

1:10 - Uhh ... 1609-1619 was after the union of the crowns, but before the interregnum. Not only would the Scots not have had any particular loyalty to the English monarch, but at this point, there _was_ no English monarch to be loyal to. The union of the crowns came about through the Scottish monarch inheriting the English throne.

[@Decrepit_biker]

As a Scotsman, with family in Ireland I can honestly say the English have so much to answer for.

[@charlespirate1]

Scottish attempts to whitewash their role in the British empire are absurd. In Ireland as much as anywhere. The planters were Scottish, the Stuart monarchs who sent them there were Scottish too. Where do names like paisley and Trimble come from? Surrey?

[@smacwhinnie]

@@charlespirate1the narrator even keeps referring to the English and English Kings when he should have said British

[@MrToymaster1]

Northern Ireland’s existence is primarily due to Scotland

[@MrToymaster1]

@@smacwhinnie Scottish nationalist routinely whitewash history to portray Scotland as a victim rather than a willing perpetrator When they say English; they mean English

[@AiGeneratedWaluigi]

My guy it’s your king that started the plantations

[@andyds11]

Bloody Sunday is not called that just because of the assassinations organized by Michael Collins, but also because British troops opened fire on a group of sports fans at Croke Park

[@hoboonwheels9289]

Imagine what our world would look like if some didn't feel they had authority over others? For centuries. It will be wonderful when that changes soon.

[@rogerwilco2]

We're not going into that direction at the moment. More and more countries have leaders who think occupying other people's land is their goal. The echos of the 1930s are strong at the moment. Putin, Trump, Orban, Aliyev, Xi, Erdogan, and many others.

[@elswick4636]

What do you mean? No governments?

[@barneymagee3285]

@@elswick4636 he thinks it’s going to ‘change’…..😂

[@EricRiver-m1j]

This is a very good account of that period. The only criticism that I would make is that religious beliefs also came into it. Canada and Australia became dominions because they had fairly unified populations who agreed with doing this. The Protestant vs Catholic differences were stronger in Ireland, and the protestant unionists did not want home rule at least partly because to them a Parliament in Dublin was not so much home rule as Rome rule. So they would not accept dominion status for the whole island of Ireland. See Wikipedia article: "A Protestant parliament for a Protestant people" Interesting to point out that the Republicans were often devout catholics, and the Easter rising of 1916 was timed to echo the martyrdom of Christ and the British government unwisely pushed the Christian imagery even further by executing the revolutionaries as the Romans did to Christ. Neither Asquith or Churchill seemed in favour of partition prior to 1914: Again from Wikipedia article "The Partition of Ireland" "In June 1912 Asquith spoke in Parliament rejecting the suggestion of partition: "You can no more split Ireland into parts than you can split England or Scotland into parts...You have an essential unity of race and temperament, although I agree that unhappily dissensions have been rank, partially by religion, and partially, by the organisation of partisanship. The more Irishmen are encouraged and empowered to cooperate in the great works of governing their own country, the more convinced am I that these differences will disappear." Unionists opposed the Bill, but argued that if Home Rule could not be stopped then all or part of Ulster should be excluded from it. Irish nationalists opposed partition, although some were willing to accept Ulster having some self-governance within a self-governing Ireland ("Home Rule within Home Rule"). Winston Churchill made his feelings about the possibility of the partition of Ireland clear: "Whatever Ulster's right may be, she cannot stand in the way of the whole of the rest of Ireland. Half a province cannot impose a permanent veto on the nation. Half a province cannot obstruct forever the reconciliation between the British and Irish democracies."

[@johnnotrealname8168]

Sir Winston Leonard Spencer Churchill was not an Unionist but he did support the principle of consent for the North.

[@lg_believe333]

In a parallel universe if Great Britain and the Republic of Ireland was dissolved and came together as the British isles under federalism would we unite? Irish, Scot’s, Welsh and English have no issues with each other and it makes no sense to be separated, but Irish Americans and the EU like to see the divisions of the British isles. Our bredren are our bredren. We should leave the past in the past and look to the future to unite our peoples without Irish Americans or EU elites in Brussels sticking their noses in. That being said, if the partition in its current state is temporary, it is for Northern Irish people to decide to unite with the republic or leave it as it is. I just offered an alternative scenario, that’s all.

[@johnnotrealname8168]

I agree. Honestly I would have preferred the Dual-Monarchy scenario that Art Seosamh Ó Gríobhtha proposed.

[@gabrielmartin2866]

Perhaps you might like to read the public archives and Parliamentary records. The First Dail sat in 1919 of 32 counties, we are now in 33rd Dail sitting of the 1919 Dail. The Government Ireland Act Partition was 1920 more

[@MrSafeTCam]

Enterprise-D Shirt is a nice touch. Still 3 months left in 2024, fingers crossed.

[@thomriley1036]

Season 3, Episode 12. Miles O'Brien gets it.

[@dead_channell]

Casually using this for leaving cert history revision. Also, great t shirt

[@madkhaliqfarhan]

North Ireland's center should always be Dublin and not London!

[@johnnotrealname8168]

I think it is Belfast actually.

[@madkhaliqfarhan]

@@johnnotrealname8168 Nah, North Ireland should just reunite with (South) Ireland! We don't need another "North and South Korea"!

[@johnnotrealname8168]

@@madkhaliqfarhan They are not at War.

[@cjryan88]

what a load of shit

[@nozrep]

dude, you sound like Bill Wurtz. or your microphone settings cause you to sound similar to the crispness of Bill Wurtz’s crispness of vocal delivery. Bravo. Also hilarious. Not the video but me thinking of you sounding somewhat similar to Bill Wurtz is very much hilarious to me.

[@wtfamiactuallyright1823]

So often hear the pro-IRA side of this and never, the Irish who were intimidated, killed, or chased out of their homes by them. Greed for more power, always hits the plebs the hardest.

[@toyotaprius79]

By whom exactly...

[@wtfamiactuallyright1823]

Both but, moreso, the IRA and I say that as as an Englishman of Irish and Scottish decent, like so many here in England. They say freedom, then become the EU's play-thing instead. Oh, the irony...

[@toyotaprius79]

​​@@wtfamiactuallyright1823Brexit brain, you seriously cannot tell who's who and the cynical dynamics in Irish politics. You could hardly make a broad stroke between the pro-business neoliberal FineGaelers and the "pro-IRA" Jesus Wept😂

[@United-Nations]

Just what Irish were chased out of their homes by the IRA, this is about the partition and before, the only 'Irish' being chased out of their homes or killed or intimidated were staunch British sympathizers/those who provided intel to them

[@wtfamiactuallyright1823]

Of course, (Sarcasm.) that's all that was kicked out... Same with the dreaded potato famine (More sarcasm.), the Brits were totally to blame for that. And Catholicism (Not originally Irish and protestants follow original British Isles ideals far more accurately. I'm not even religious.) the French and a few others used the Irish. Basically, a few Irish betrayed their own, all so they could grasp more power for themselves. Ask any Brit and basically none, would ever want to harm an Irishman, not even in government.

[@smoothcriminal53184]

8:03 why does it say Abraham Lincoln at the bottom?

[@johnnotrealname8168]

Unionists used Abraham Lincoln to argue against Home Rule.

[@Nick-zp3ub]

It should be given back to the Irish. The orangemen should be given the choice to either stay and become Irish citizens, or move back to Scotland

[@geordiewishart1683]

No thanks

[@nowisthetime6093]

Many Orangemen see themselves as Irish, after all it's called The Grand Orange order of Ireland, they're Irish Unionist not Irish Nationalist and are citizens of the United Kingdom and members of The Church of Ireland. Loyal to the Protestant British Crown. Northern Ireland is their home and is the only Home nation mentioned on the British passport - The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Internationally recognised. Also... Landmass does not always equate to Nation state. Many islands around the world are divided politically. So are once former singular Countries divided, so it's not so cut and dry. Can you be Irish AND British? Of course you can. Sometimes with a bigger I. Sometimes with a bigger B. Should the US be given back to the Native Indians, and Americans given a choice to convert or move back to Europe?

[@justonecornetto80]

If we apply your sense of morality worldwide then every European should leave the Americas and Australia then give it back to the natives. What if they refuse to become Irish citizens and won't leave? Nobody in their right mind would try removing them by force because the UVF and UDA would send the whole of Ireland up in flames.

[@stuart9420]

​@@nowisthetime6093I asked somebody this same question about Americans and they blocked my comments and said I wasn't ready to have a discussion Lol definitely a sticking point

[@martinmoore4401]

Orangemen in NI aren't from Scotland so it wouldn't be possible for them to go back there.

[@captaincool3329]

Some glossed over things: 1. the 1641 Rebellion was an attempted genocide of the Protestant population, with some estimates indicating up to 30% of all Protestants in Ireland died during this period- you don't have to like immigration, but that's not an excuse for mass murder, 2. the Easter Rising would- in today's vernacular- be classed as acts of terrorism, 3. the border problem only exists because: A. a majority in Northern Ireland wants to be in the UK and B. Irish nationalists won't get over the fact that Unionists don't want to leave the UK, as they are fully aware that they would face marginalisation and forced assimilation in a so-called 'United Ireland'. The only way around this would be for Unionists to influence perspectives on Irish culture, history, and accepted narratives in general in ways that would be unacceptable to hardline republicans. With Russia & Ukraine, Israel & Palestine and Armenia & Azerbaijan we can see similar examples happening right now where irredentism and historical revisionism are leading to countries declaring war on and annexing each other because *supposedly* a given country is incomplete without land across the border that the given country needs to feel complete, despite the fact people living there are different and don't want it to happen. I only hope the nationalists can leave the border alone, because there have been too many deaths in pointless border wars for another one to erupt.

[@johnnotrealname8168]

Okay a couple problems. 1. Your "immigration" is a very favourable way of putting stealing land and livelihood and forcing a system of discrimination and persecution. 2. No, it would not. It would be called a rebellion. I do not understand how you cannot understand the distinction. They had uniforms, held buildings and proclaimed a State. It was not terroristic. 3. A. Sure, however a majority in Ireland as proven by the 1918 election wanted independence and dividing Ireland is an act of destroying that very nation. Furthermore a sizable minority did want to be part of Ireland. Indeed by this logic if we take any chunk of a country we can divvy the whole because of their wishes alone. In fact it is so anti-democratic a concept that well the Ulsterites formed a Paramilitary to block the wishes of the British Parliament! B. Okay this is a point that does frustrate me because of how abjectly stupid it is. The Irish Nationalist movement was not only placative to the North, they were almost servile. They tried to give unfair advantages to that population. Furthermore the nationalist movement whilst undoubtedly Catholic (The subsequent state being 93% Catholic.) was accommodating to an absurd degree of protestants as proven by well the protestants who were in Ireland and who had their rights recognised and protected by the Constitution! If there is one thing the Nationalists are doing it is leaving it alone. The destruction of Ireland, encompassing the entire island, is the gripe and the fact is that it was not the Irish but the British and Ulster.

[@johncoughlan1435]

The division was between two nationalities not two religions

[@madkhaliqfarhan]

Unfortunately, two different nationalities were ruled by two different religions! That makes it both!

[@johnnotrealname8168]

@@madkhaliqfarhan Uhm. Somewhat true but mostly no.

[@davidmehling4310]

Even though organized religion is on the decline in Ireland (the island) as in many other places, would the desire of those in Northern Ireland to be part of the Republic of Ireland or the UK still be shaped by the religion of their ancestors, their ancestors ethnicity, tradition, rather than a religious affiliation?

[@robinpayne125]

The use of religious labels is more historical than reflective of actual religious observance, but Protestant as proxy for unionist and Catholic for nationalist in the north is too deeply ingrained for it to fall out of use. There are of course jokes like the man getting into a taxi in Belfast being asked if he is Protestant or Catholic. He replies he is an atheist, and the driver asks, “yes, but are you a Catholic atheist or a Protestant atheist”.

[@johnnotrealname8168]

I think even Catholics do not mind the U.K. anymore.

[@christianmccann9400]

Tiochfaidh ar la

[@lervish1966]

Clover hat

[@barneymagee3285]

The provos are left wing globalists , irelands future is bleak..

[@jokingosprey666]

One small thing, bloody sunday in 1920 wasnt just michael collins, you left out the fact that the british army opened fire on a football gane in reprisal

[@eelsemaj99]

This is a video with very good history and not a word was wrong. But the people who came over in the plantations now came over 400 years ago and they are a voice that should still be listened to. The Belfast Agreement gave a way for Northern Ireland to join the Republic if there is a majority for it. The framing of the Irish partition as unjust and desirable to be reversed (unsaid but certainly implied) is saddening with how good the rest of the video is. Now I know I am not neutral here (Nor do I live in NI) but it is tiring to see so few people talk in a neutral tone about NI

[@toyotaprius79]

Said need to listen to themselves and learn where they truthfully come from, recent and distant past. Loyalists, Apartheid South Africans, Rhodesians, Israelis, yanks, etc. History has to be learned, not curated for tastes.

[@United-Nations]

the partition is unjust and needs to be reversed, foreign empire carving up a country that aint theirs

[@eelsemaj99]

@@United-Nations Tell the people who have had their family live there since before america was first colonised that the country ain’t theirs

[@United-Nations]

@@eelsemaj99 You are right, the country isn't theirs, they displaced and killed native Irish people to live on that land and no matter how much time passes it will never magically be theirs

[@Michael-j4l3d]

​@@United-NationsThe Loyalists and Republicans should unite against Multiculturalisim and establish a state not based on Irish or British values but instead upon mutual disdain the 2 communities have for eachother

[@Marcus_Suridius]

Good video, we have a very crazy history in Ireland. We aren't far of a United Ireland as the Good Friday Agreement (1997) states that a vote can be called on both sides of the border for a United Ireland. Only recently, the catholics outnumber the protestant's in NI so id would be nearly anything that we'll have a United Ireland in my lifetime (im 40 for clarification) and I hope im here for it.

[@andrewcrawford2363]

Well Northern Ireland is a full member and part off the uk

[@Invenery]

Yes... you are correct .... NI is "off" the UK.

[@corkboy4523]

For now…..

[@gabrielmartin2866]

My Grandfather lead the SFein victory for 32 counties, called by Crown Royal Assent 1918 election. My Grandfather wrote the 1919 Dail Ratification Proclamation.

[@noelter]

It was not a famine, it was genocide.

[@stevenmclucas1894]

Aye, very good🤣🇬🇧

[@freerangefool3121]

Genocide is deliberate. The famine was not deliberate: the absentee landlords were greedy and wanted to milk their tenants in Ireland, just the same way that they milked their tenants in Britain. The poor also had to pay higher prices for corn all over Britain, to help rich landowners. This forced the people to grow the most economically productive crop and it was a disaster when it failed. The government response was totally inadequate. Why? Because, the same as in the rest of Britain, the rich did not care about the suffering of the poor. In the 1840s, thousands of working-class people starved to death in England, Scotland and Wales, in part as it had become illegal to give poor people aid. The rich just did not, and still do not, seem to consider poorer people as anything more than workhorses. Same today, just a little more window dressing.

[@rwentfordable]

Famine, not genocide. Look up the definitions.

[@aimpat34]

God made the potatoe blight; the British made the famine.

[@brendankilkenny]

@@freerangefool3121 Interesting. I've never heard anyone suggest that the famine took place in England as well as Ireland. Malnutrition sure, but I can't find anything on death at anything remotely close to Ireland at the time. Also, those absentee landlords weren't in the Maldives at this time. They were in England. If they had shared the same living space as the lower classes it may well have curbed their attitude towards minimal intervention. Lastly, where exactly was all that corn exported from Ireland during the famine going? It was primarily used to feed industrial cities of England. That being the poor you suggest were also dying of hunger.

[@Sharturse]

Important context is that Britain had experienced a long power struggle between Catholics and Protestants (like many places in northern Europe). Catholics were still a very real "threat" even into the 18th century.

[@Trueghh]

It had nothing too do with religion Churchill called irish the n*ggers of europe.

[@parkependleton6453]

The genius Irish eliminated their own George Washington, Michael Collins.

[@JayJay-vb7om]

and after elevating demon de valera in 1932 the first thing he did was to make a really bad depression into a disaster

[@Rumkitty2000]

Wasn't Michael Collins a terrorist? The IRA had no regard for civilian lives.

[@johnnotrealname8168]

@@JayJay-vb7om No, he did not.

[@johnnotrealname8168]

Ehhh, he did want to kill other Irishmen too.

[@JayJay-vb7om]

@@johnnotrealname8168 yes he did stay blind

[@patrickday4206]

The first invasion was stopped by my family the O'Dea's then the second time nobody United to fight and I have never understood why.

[@TristouMTL]

It ain't so bad being a Canadian, y'know. But even though it's more theoretical than visceral, many object to having the King of England being our head of state, particularly in Québec.

[@user-py2mf3nb8g]

Have a vote then king isn't forced on you.... Tho looking at the state of your prime minister I'd say you have bigger problems 😂😂😂😂

[@johnfinister5011]

There is no "King of England" since 1707.

[@bigbird6039]

Your in touch King of England. Ffs

[@colinyoung5457]

​@@johnfinister5011 " If Bonnie Prince Charlie had not turned back at Derby, I should not be King of England today." (George V )

[@johnfinister5011]

@@colinyoung5457 King of Great Britain from 1707, King of United Kingdom since 1801.

[@thelolguy007]

The main problem behind all of it was The Plantation of Ireland by Britain. Only for that strategy by The British it would likely have been over long ago. But it’s that Plantation and those people and their descendants that make this story very different than most. Britain would have given Northern Ireland back to Ireland years ago were it not for The Protestant Population of Northern Ireland. There has been times throughout History when Britain could have done with just off loading Northern Ireland - as in various times it proved to not be worth the hassle basically. But those Protestant descendants,They don’t consider themselves Irish (even though they live and were born in Ireland) and though they kind of consider themselves British it’s not 100%. Not enough for them to go live back home on mainland UK anyway. They consider themselves Northern Irish. And their answer to any talks that might eventually see The Country United is ‘No, No, No’. Sure it was the favourite phrase of their leader Ian Paisley for years ‘Ulster Says No’. So The Troubles wasn’t about Religion like many around the World think. God no. It was About Ireland and Britain. And it just so happened to be that most Irish People are Catholic and most British are Protestant. The Protestants want to pay tribute to their Murdering Thieving Raping Ancestors of years gone by and hold on to the Irish land they took by force and The Irish just want their Country back. It’s not very complicated🤷‍♂️

[@markaxworthy2508]

False start (00:40). There was not a united Ireland when the British arrived.

[@markaxworthy2508]

@@zuppymac-xi8rk I am, indeed, talking of one political rule. I know there was Brehon Law, with regional variations, one language, with local dialects, and one culture, with local variations. The same, we now know, with DNA, again with local variations. Once Catholicism had extinguished native Irish cults, there was also one religion without diversity. 1,500 years ago Ireland was a lot like England BEFORE political union. What the British did not deprive Ireland of was political unity. However, they may well have deprived Ireland of the opportunity to achieve political unity. Brian Boru certainly had such ambitions, though the British cannot be blamed for his particular failure.

[@allanprimeau7864]

​@@markaxworthy2508The British are to blame for the Irish division.

[@markaxworthy2508]

@@allanprimeau7864 The Irish were divided long before the British arrived. It was this division that helped them get a foothold.

[@Awesomewithaz]

Nobody claimed Ireland was United they merely showed the control of Irish Lords versus English Lords. Are you blind or am I deaf because I never heard him say anything about it United Ireland

[@markaxworthy2508]

@@Awesomewithaz Then he shouldn't have shown an undifferentiated Ireland at 00:40 and should have showed the control of the various different Irish Lords you refer to.

[@Somerset-uf2nw]

Not in a million years did anyone think Partition in 1921 would last for a hundred years, but of course there was a British Shadow pulling the Strings behind the Scenes, to make it last. We have proof of this now.

[@mokolbokeoko5026]

Note, if you will, the political cartoons depicting the Irish as wild and ape-like, while the British are serene and handsome. And Britain today? Still up to its elbows in blood. Stormshadow, anyone? Eire abú, agus saoirse don phalistín.

[@ConorFields]

Tiochfada ar la

[@geordiewishart1683]

No surrender, papist

[@davidlinehat4657]

@@geordiewishart1683 England doesn't want you or even think you're british. prepare to have your world flipped on its head.

[@rogerwilco2]

The current UK government is actually standing against a colonial power trying to exert their dominance over a free republic neighbour.

[@RomanHistoryFan476AD]

I mean Ireland was getting to be pals with 40s Germany, let's not pretend Ireland is a saint now.

[@edmondkent4493]

There is nothing so permanent as a temporary arrangement!

[@RevoeLad]

It’s not temporary 🇬🇧🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿✋

[@jerryflynn5943]

Get over it

[@lervish1966]

@@jerryflynn5943 Stop speaking English.

[@corkboy4523]

A border poll will answer that for us all.

[@lervish1966]

@@corkboy4523 Chrisum

[@corkboy4523]

@@lervish1966 you having a stroke there?😁

[@DrJRaven]

Should it not be up to the people in Northern Ireland to decide whether they wish to unite with the Republic of Ireland or should part of the UK?

[@grahamfleming8139]

7 out of 9counties in Ulster has voted 🗳 for European and Irish rule maybe we should try democracy.

[@MrToymaster1]

Polls show NI doesn’t want to join the republic

[@corkboy4523]

@@MrToymaster1only one poll matters and that’s a border poll.

[@MrToymaster1]

@@corkboy4523 The GFA doesn’t agree with you; a border poll can’t occur until polls show it would likely pass

[@grahamfleming8139]

Two counties Antrim and Down with East Belfast is hardly a province?

[@MrToymaster1]

@@corkboy4523 A border pols isn’t happening as NI doesn’t wan one You’re being deliberately obtuse

[@robertewalt7789]

The Irish rebellion starting in 1641 brings to mind the bloody Thirty Years War 1618-1648, in and around what is now Germany. Both Irish and German conflicts were Catholic vs Protestant.

[@johnnotrealname8168]

The Thirty Years' War (1618-1648) is not at least merely a Catholic V. protestant thing. It had a lot to do with politics.

[@vincenthaegebaert1854]

ALL Ireland shall one-day be free. And, hopefully, soon Canada can go republic so we can also be free.

[@geordiewishart1683]

Northern Ireland is free from the Irish thumbs ☝

[@robertewalt7789]

How would removing the Governor General of Canada improve Canada’s governance?

[@markgrehan3726]

Lol, how is Canada not free?

[@barneymagee3285]

@@markgrehan3726 the Canadian truckers were attacked , jailed , and their bank accounts frozen , for taking part in a peaceful protest against tyrannical leftist government.

[@johnnotrealname8168]

You think more democracy is the answer after the mess in Canada?

[@nozrep]

for mentioning 100 hundred years, it is unethical of you to have not mentioned the Good Friday agreement of 1998 which ended the troubles and passed with over 70 percent of the vote. Tragic history no doubt, and I type this from one American, to the fellow American narrating this video, to mention the hundred years and not include the Good Friday Agreement of 1998 that is within that 100 years you titled your video with is disrespectful to all the Irish who voted for it to end that violence and restore peace.

[@DrVictorVasconcelos]

Fight imperialism. Support Sinn Féin. Anyone who's serious about ending settler colonialism should be serious about returning Northern Ireland.

[@MrToymaster1]

The GFA says it’s up to the people of Northern Ireland

[@RomanHistoryFan476AD]

Fight Imperialism? You do realise most of modern countries are formed from Imperialism right? Nearly every culture on Earth has tried to conquer others. Even Ireland had warring tribes and later kingdoms fighting amongst their own.

[@Iceageonmars]

It certainly was if you were and are a Northern Ireland Protestant.

[@gavindouglas7020]

Ulster is BRITISH God save the king

[@irishgamer8412]

I hat to tell you but the Union is dying just look at what they English did when you wanted to stay in the EU Scotland and Northern Ireland voted to stay England dragged you two out kicking and screaming. It doesn't sound like an equal Union to me

[@dansweeney4530]

Northern Ireland is part of the UK dear boy, not Ulster. Quite fond of that Windsor chap, but I believe there is no god and I don't do titles.

[@gavindouglas7020]

@dansweeney4530 a simple yes would suffice, sir

[@joeschipper6465]

Londons not even british anymore lol keep coping

[@justonecornetto80]

@@irishgamer8412 Typical Irish ignorance. Scotland and NI didn't vote to remain, the UK voted to leave. The Union isn't dying because the Scot Nats got practically wiped out in July's election despite saying that a majority vote for them would be a mandate for another Indyref. Come 2026, they're going to get wiped out in their own parliament as well. The Union is safe and sound. Sorry to disappoint you.

[@marcg331]

Very Repbulican outlook to it all, you seem to push, from a PUL member of Northern Ireland 🇬🇧

[@paulrimmer391]

Utterly misleading from the off. The British Isles have been one for 15,000 years. We are one people, one blood, one shared history. Pope AdrianIV in 1171 deemed this is under the English Crown.

[@ARDRI2009]

Different races, different languages, different kings. No papal bull exists in the Vatican Library or in British Parliament from the only English Pope in Church History. Saint Patrick’s authority reported directly to the Pope, not the Archbishop of Canterbury. Ireland and Britain are two different but intertwined nations.

[@paulrimmer391]

@@ARDRI2009 Baloney. We are the same people. We have happily mixed for 15,000 years. Any division is Jesuit BS.

[@paulrimmer391]

Before Rome we were one for over 10,000 years. Since Rome we have added a Nordic mix, but remain one.

[@Macca-rb5ok]

The video is clearly about Ireland an its isles, not the people over in the British Isles. Interestingly, the Irish Isles are far older than the British Isles, and have a far older culture. (The Irish language is vastly older than the "English" language, for example.)

[@Macca-rb5ok]

@@paulrimmer391 The people of the British Isles mixed more with their ancestors in Denmark, France and Germany than they did with those to the west in the Irish Isles. Britain was actually physically part of the European continent for centuries...Britain's identity was created by the Romans, Danes and Normans. French was England's mother tongue for centuries. England's kings and queens all came from European families.

[@davidpowell3347]

Carsonia ? Does not explain that Irish resistance or resentment of British rule started while England (to become Britain) while England was still Catholic ? And the fact that the ordinary Irish were reduced to tenants and renters from non Irish or transplanted landlords,some of whom were absentee ? And finally the bloody Cromwell invasion of the Island at a time when Presbyterians and Catholics were beginning to cooperate with each other to some extent ? At one time the British Church did not get along so hot with Presbyterians either ? And the huge emigration of Presbyterians or "Scots- Irish" to the future USA where they played a part in the Revolution? Irish People were treated as colonial subjects rather than citizens of Britain? Were Irish Catholics not allowed to vote ? Was that one of the issues?

[@new-lviv]

It might be that Ukraine is moving to the "the unity thus shall be restored" moment in its history. If this w-r ever ends. Keep seeing parallels in Irish and Ukrainian history. Thank you for this great explanation in the video, and greetings from Ukraine.

[@steve00alt70]

It was never suppose to last 100 years the result of that is Northern Ireland has never worked and is even currently struggling to stay afloat both economical, socially and infrastructure is crumbling. But that partitioned house idea was just plain silly.

[@WillsM85]

Can the word "genocide" be applied historically?

[@mb-3faze]

I don't understand why people in Dublin would want to be ruled from Belfast. Because Belfast is clearly the logical place for the political capital in a united island as a single entity.

[@danielwarren3138]

Well it won't be in a million years so I wouldn't worry about it

[@markaxworthy2508]

This ignores the pragmatic point that in 1923 5 million people in impoverished Eire were in no position to impose their will on 1 million recalcitrant Loyalists in the North. Wealthier Britain with 50 million people had problems enough imposing its will on just half a million Catholics in the North. The border was a thoroughly good thing at the time because it bought a breathing space for demographics to gradually resolve the issue without violence. Unfortunately some still preferred violence. They failed, but at a price in lives.