Week 4 Matchups + TNF Pain, Wheel of Shame | Fantasy Football 2024 - Ep. 1643

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[@jephillips011]

I love the idea of a set number of flags per ref

[@Financial_Awareness]

One of the many benefits of being an elder millennial is understanding every joke and reference in this podcast…and it’s awesome. lol

[@austinraymiller]

We will do it live!!

[@braddean9703]

I’m a boomer & y’all keep me young😎👍

[@tballgame8]

Also, you made it about you. Very effeminate.

[@justrelax9163]

Idk why he’s giving Wan’Dale so much flak lmao, in full PPR he’s giving you WR2 numbers

[@stevenrandall8300]

Sometimes how you score points is good to have in context. He's not doing much with the ball in his hands, lots of 4yd gains limits upside

[@Ryanh1010]

up til last night he was wr 36 in full ppr lol so no not wr 2 hes borderline wr3/flex, dont hear what im not saying tho. Wan'dale is a good spot start/flex option week in week out in full ppr leagues. The flack is overdone for sure

[@justrelax9163]

@@Ryanh1010 he’s still averaging 13+ full ppr points, regardless of depth of target or what he does after the catch he’s a great option as your WR2 if you have injuries, he’s for sure more of a WR3, but he’s giving you a solid floor every week, especially compared to most guys drafted in that WR2 range.

[@camaro7587]

Look at what he's done last 2yrs. He's not that guy. Maybe he could be he's young. But not on the giants. They're bad.

[@justrelax9163]

@@camaro7587 well a lot of bad real life players are good for fantasy, and that’s all most of us care about.

[@sebassg3668]

This Wandale conversation is extremely frustrating, the kid gonna have a solid ass year

[@loganwharff]

I agree, they are overreacting. He’s a speedy slot receiver that’s what he does

[@LordAlaric]

He made plenty of moves to gain extra yardage, I thought he looked good all night

[@NickF1735]

Yeah, I don’t understand what they’re talking about. Robinson converted three first downs on throws well before the stix by making a defender or two miss.

[@CDavidB047]

He’s also like 5’6 so he’s doing a lot with very little lol the Giants problem is Daboll & company imo

[@TFFForecast]

he was also an early second round draft pick

[@zachworman]

To be fair to Wandale, he did break a tackle and took it like 6 yards more for the 1st down.

[@stevenrandall8300]

He also dropped a possible gw td w 3 min to go. I think he's an ok player but system/team isn't a good fit for him

[@eastcoasttaffy74]

Also, the play they described where the Giants swung it out to Wandale in the Redzone, that was actually on Daniel Jones. Dude just held the ball way too long and let the defense recover

[@loganklein5031]

Right 😂 Jason doesn’t actually watch these games he just talks out of his ass and whines every episode. Made a big ass rant about something that was wrong

[@loganklein5031]

@@stevenrandall8300He was talking about breaking tackles, not about catching

[@Shabla7]

Wandale broke atleast one or two tackles. He fought through tacklers for a few extra yards here and there. Guys ADOT is like 2 yards though...

[@CaptJackMehoph]

You have to clip Mike's face when discussing Singletary at 4:15!😂 Literally laughing out loud with complete agreement! The face and elephant noise is a perfect representation... god, so funny!

[@lillbunnyhop]

Shoutout Turd Ferguson getting my week started off well

[@StrongStyleNinja]

Turd needed a TD but he was catching passes.

[@blazeleutem]

fergalicious def...

[@Greenbeans572]

Idk why the disrespect to wan’dale I know the game was boring but that’s the giants offense lol, he’s running the route tree in the game plan

[@BoJackBrown]

I think Jason needs to be forced to rewatch this game just for this undeserved Wan'Dale hate. Jones was so slow to hit him in motion that he never had any momentum after a catch.

[@brvzi9093]

wandale got the ball last night half the time the defender was right on top of him. for a guy who’s averaging 10 points per game in ppr and these guys wanna act like he’s trash and not worth starting lol with all the injuries so far you’d think they’d mention how he’s getting you ten points!

[@crazyworld54321]

It's not that. It's that without a TD, his ceiling is 10 points and his floor is 0. I'll go for the upside play more times than not here. But yes, for sure, in deeper leagues he's likely in play due to the number of injuries we all have.

[@elizabethmiranda289]

I started him and was playing Ceedee. Im ecstatic that I got 10+ points out of Wandale. Also, happy Ceedee didnt go nuclear.

[@pistolrx9313]

Thank you Andy Mike Jason and the DUCERS!!!

[@Financial_Awareness]

Bonjour from Florida! Currently in route to the Gulf coast just south of Clearwater Beach with 2 dehumidifiers, 5 carpet fans, 2 generators, and an empty dump trailer ready to be filled up with debris. Not even this storm can stop us from getting to 4-0 this week! LFG! Also, if you were ever interested in a vacation to the Florida Gulf Coast…check the rates over the next 1-3 months…prob will see some amazing air bnb deals as the whole area gets back online. Cheers!

[@BlessedC83]

Thanks for the start of the week in Singletary, Mike 😤😭

[@bertillindquist]

“That number symbolizes its been a long time” The 1.01 of seamless transitions. I didn’t think Jason had that in his bag

[@monoman5409]

When Mike declares his love for a player and it doesn't work out he wears it. It's brought up consistently and he's on the ride with you. Interesting how little Jason has said about Dell or Andrew's. I want a shame walk, I want to see someone feel what I'm feeling. Startup Dynasty and got both of those "studs" buying into Jason's hype.

[@kauxzey6473]

You drafted a wr3 and expected wr 1 output on top of that te position is town as a whole you can crack top 10 with 21 ppr points thru 3 games thats 7 points per game to make top ten. It’s the start of week 4 why you trippin.

[@efrengramajo]

To be fair, Mike is wrong a lot 😂

[@monoman5409]

Oh, so you didn't watch or listen during the preseason? Jason had Dell as high 2 and Andrews as like te 4or5. Said he thought Dell was the 1 on that team. Both guys were drafted within the top 5 rounds and both look like they'll be droppable soon. I'm not mad that they didn't hit, I just want a little accountability and maybe some company with my misery.

[@loganklein5031]

Jason is the absolute worst

[@CokeZorro]

Jason never goes and talks about all his bad picks but he'll hit the celebration drop when he gets one right lol

[@marklambert7515]

Can confirm. East coast father of two. Fell asleep a little before halftime worried Ceedee would have 40-50pt game. I thought mikes RB play of the week singletary was gonna eat up some Danny dimes check downs... Got nothing from that game except a good snooze.

[@elf5396]

East coast non dad here who went to bed at halftime. With how unexcited I was for the game last night I forgot to check the score until like 2 hours into my work day, which is very abnormal for me.

[@jameszuniga6016]

We need the boom boom kicker back

[@nickielou8346]

I was ecstatic that Lamb was finally returning his draft value but then just like you said, he did next to nothing the rest of the game and I had to sit there and watch Nabers, who my opponent has, points gradually go up and essentially cancel out Lamb anyway. The Cowboys find new ways to make people hate them!!!!

[@dropclutch1]

I love your set. As a 44 year old, I just realized it's because it reminds me of CHEERS 🍻 😁

[@donbrown1967]

The way I open mouth laughed when Mike put the mask on and the beard was coming out of the mouth.

[@Kanders190]

15:05 Andy: Any other updates? Mike: I'm sure there's a hamstring coming up on us... Chris Olave: Yoo-hooooo!

[@rafaelalcala7122]

Mike and Andy shoe game on point!! NICE!!

[@bobnerdstar]

Gonna need you a ton Mike on Sunday morning news

[@manuelquiroz9930]

Let's go fantasy footballers every day at work gotta get an episode in

[@nas6919]

Mike looking a little Freddie Kruger today 🎉😂

[@josephclark5517]

"[Kelce] just needs to get into shape" is nonsense. He's in shape. He went through the entire training camp and off season routine. He's playing 85% of snaps every game. It's not a "shape" issue.

[@crazyworld54321]

KC guy here. He looks sluggish out on the field. If he's "in shape", then the decline is real and last season was just the disclaimer. If Kelce was out there getting open regularly, I'm certain Mahomes would happily pepper him with targets. The math suggests he's just getting older, and the mileage is finally setting in.

[@josephclark5517]

@@crazyworld54321 Sure, he's older. But he is open regularly. The offense is changing focus. The film is there for all to look at. Kelce is just as fast as last year, just as open as last year. It's not an "in-shape" issue. Reid said in the off-season they wanted Trav to have fewer snaps, yet he's still out there 85%. They're designing plays for other players because for the first time since Hill left, they have other weapons. I'm not worried about Kelce. And, we're watching different games if you're seeing a player who is sluggish. I'm just not seeing it.

[@crazyworld54321]

@@josephclark5517 If you're not seeing it on the field, look at the stats. "They're designing plays for other players". Right. And using Travis as a decoy in the middle of the field. He's simply not the focus of the offense any more. I wonder why Andy Reid is coaching this way. With Patrick's passing yards way down for a long stretch of games, if Travis still had the juice, he'd be getting peppered with targets. The thing with WR/TE targets on good teams with legendary QB's at the helm is that you typically have to earn the targets by consistently getting separation and making plays. When you aren't getting open regularly, you won't earn many targets. Travis isn't getting targeted. The math adds up.

[@Adrian-ub2il]

I don’t see him continuing to be on this team for much longer and you need to start getting work to your new younger guys to see if they got it. Kelce probably retires next year

[@edsmith1054]

Taylor is taking his legs out.

[@Pooopsmith666]

i only ever listen on spotify, but I came here for the first time specifically to see the mask 😂 it delivered

[@coolrad7033]

Wheel 🎡 of shame! 😂 Awesome

[@DylanWolfram14]

$150 on cowboys to cover -5.5. Aubrey with a golden opportunity for me to cover at the end of the game with a 50 yard FG of which he was 16/16 in his career. Miss.

[@kramer1372]

rigged

[@bngehrig]

First mistake is betting in favor of the Cowboys

[@kidgetmoney3366]

Luckily I got cowboys -5. 😂 So I pushed. Somehow I avoided the hook 🪝 😂😂😂

[@BoredAndSarcastic]

I got in at -4.5 heck Yeah! Opened at -4

[@loganklein5031]

@@kramer1372Quit watching and listening to sports/this pod if you think it’s rigged

[@SD-zx1uh]

Andy, as a East Coast dad lol you are right I went to sleep early with my daughter sleeping on me and I never go to bed for these Thursday night games!

[@brewcrew5854]

I hate to have to say it but this program often feels like listening to yesterday's report as so much questionable injury data has been clarified by late afternoon on east coast and I listened to every days program for many seasons still a great fun time every day

[@SandstormGT]

Yeah this show loses a lot of its luster when they are reading practice reports from the previous day.

[@brewcrew5854]

@@SandstormGT these guys are great and i enjoy it a lot but i wonder if they are in arizona are they filming at like 7am their time or actually taping the afternoon before ?

[@SandstormGT]

@@brewcrew5854 I'm sure they just don't want to wait until late in the day after practice/injury reports to start filming the show. Plus the editing that has to be done and then it needs to be uploaded. I understand, it just sucks that I have to consume other content to get that info.

[@Hihihihi990]

wish you boys did special guest call in"s yall are amazing and I waan stream as good as you guys

[@voltaire7412]

I listened to the trade episode and I traded Mahomes for Murray. I’m 0-3 so let’s see if it works out. 🙏🏼

[@oberKGBler]

Great move 💪🏻

[@peternunes7859]

love it

[@BurningSnow999]

I’d be willing to bet it does. Especially this week.

[@tylerstraka8714]

Steal....will get hurt week 11 for being 5 foot 8" a190

[@voltaire7412]

@@BurningSnow999 I need a win this week. Hopefully he puts up more points than Dak, who I’m playing against.

[@anthonysilva5995]

Need advice please, pick 2: Amari Cooper , Tee Higgins , Deebo (if he plays) ?

[@jaxxsongg5790]

You just said Mooney over Kirk...but your website says otherwise. You all rate kirk over Mooney on the site 🤔

[@wh1skeybud]

just take the info they give(not their personal opinions) and make your own decision. people hang on every word these guys say, they don’t know just like we don’t know.

[@jaxxsongg5790]

@@wh1skeybud obviously.

[@bradleymunson5456]

they just kind of throw opinions out there haha. this show is very entertaining, but dont listen to the fantasy advice too much. its all luck anyway

[@AlexAndreKnudsen]

What about Mooney or Brian Thomas? That's my wr3 decision this week

[@KfuknBenz]

Id go money ​@@AlexAndreKnudsen

[@joshuacooper3301]

I am one of those Dads that went to bed early😅 Glad I didn’t miss anything.

[@tonyraffetto931]

WHERE IS BOOM BOOM KICKER!

[@whatwhatwhat2939]

you will NEVER convince me to start cam akers, you're out of your minds

[@elizabethmiranda289]

and yet.... I have to essshh

[@whatwhatwhat2939]

@@elizabethmiranda289 I am truly sorry, good luck

[@conorbrowne7691]

I rewound and listened to that 90 second numbers or words impromptu debate bit like 4/four times....it's crazy because Roman numerals, they're letters 😂

[@bobm.1274]

As a lions fan, it feels real good to be on the positive side of one of those calls! So, HAHAHA

[@SD-zx1uh]

Big fan of Jason but am disagreeing on to play Demarcus Robinson over Pop Douglas and to play Andrew’s instead of benching him until he plays better……

[@burrow2chase]

As a nabers and Lamb owner, last nights game was a blast for me lol. Not boring at all

[@CyberJE8120]

Hahaha Andy make Calvin Ridley sound like Alvin from the Chipmunks lol. Lucky for me I had Singletary on my bench, I try to avoid TNF games as much as possible because they usually turn out badly smh

[@ryguymcfly73]

So I have both Kyler and Jaden Daniels who do I start over those two?

[@UofMFan628]

my teams have been devastated by injury. Pacheco, Kupp, Njoku, Tank Dell TWICE, and Davante Adams. what a cursed year.

[@djquill3303]

the Rhamondre section/talk didnt help me lol, im still not sure if i start him or not. I have Jamo as well. Who would you flex?

[@andrecolon1469]

WanDale actually did break a tackle for a nice first down

[@jacobhall9792]

So the bucs play Philly at home this Sunday, are they going to play in a neutral place due to the flooding from the hurricane?

[@IamDabaste]

You aren't alone Falcon, IBS kings feel your pain! Lol

[@jsalad8157]

wow opening toilet flush was perfectly insync with my home flush as I sit and listen to the #1 FF podcast in the universe…and just dropped a turd ferguson

[@WheelinAndDylan]

Prolly gonna lose again this week with a team full of super stars yay🙃

[@tomkumagaimusic]

My 4 team league has killer benches and low scoring starters

[@bignothing55]

I love/hate fantasy

[@Gr1bs]

I’ve got burrow, Bijon, rachaad, chase, olave, cooper and Andrew’s and I’m 0-3. I thought I had the best draft of my life but I’m barely breaking 100 every week

[@MrPieGuy1]

Can’t believe they got rid of wheel of shame. That mask is hilarious 😂

[@alanrodriguez3011]

Mike's getting wheeled again next week😂

[@SquizzyTtar]

With only deebo back do i till start Jennings?

[@justinbly28]

Turdaynight Football....... It was right there.

[@tylerbass7342]

At 4:14, how did Mike do that with his face? Lmao

[@MgadE1]

andy dominating the convo too much

[@ronmassey9315]

I'm choosing between cam Akers and Jerome Ford. Anybody got any suggestions?

[@lenyabraham4013]

I have Deebo and Jauan Jennings- shall I start both for week4 ?

[@cesarcuevas1858]

where are the fellas getting these lines from? Hearing it a lot more these days which I dont mind but would love to know what site their looking at to get those numbers

[@mudman619]

if Deebo doesn't play, then Christian Gonzalez will blanket Aiyuk, leaving Jennings open for another big game. If Deebo plays, the Gonzalez will likely cover him, freeing up Aiyuk. So Deebo playing or not is pivotal for fantasy.

[@rwu2013]

No matter what gonzo will be on aiyuk

[@nolangills2593]

It’s so funny… I have listened to the show for 3 years now, never seen these guys before and I gotta say… Jason looks exactly how he sounds. Now the other two lads VERY DIFFERENT from what imagined lmao

[@bigchiefsfan65]

There were so many bad calls Thursday night, the worst has to be a Cowboys facemask that was call against the Giants. It forced 3rd and long vs 1st down in the red zone. Someone should lose their job.

[@suggestedtigerr1151]

Do I start Jk dobbins or Thomas jr or waddle ?

[@nrxchito]

The disdain for TNF, Wan’dale, & last night’s game is befuddling me. I love it A L L. I ain’t ever gonna stop watching thursday night football 🌚 IT’S FOOTBALL THYME

[@nrxchito]

This message brought to you by: a Nabers fantasy football manager.. and battle-scarred Titans fan.

[@brantwilson]

ok william montgomery

[@nrxchito]

@@brantwilson big time🍻

[@lillbunnyhop]

Mike “you realize if Malik didn’t have the big catch, he wouldn’t have had the big catch right ?!” 😂😂😂😂

[@AbeLincolnFishing]

Love these intros lmao

[@namesandmanes]

I have a pretty stict no Thursday night players rule (other than the studliest studs), but got pushed into playing Singletary when Kamara went Questionable. Mike gave me some confidence against the ugly Dallas defense, and I figured in a point per rushing attempt league, it couldn't be *that* bad. But it was that bad. TNF is the worst!!

[@NovaWolf01]

Exact same mindset I usually follow. I have Kamara too. With Mixon looking to be out I played Robinson. Should have played Dowdle on bench at this point.

[@boomhawk6217]

I can’t even explain in words how much you are right that Thursday night football is absolute trash

[@Jermo484]

Starting a very mediocre player Thursday because there's a small chance a star won't play Sunday is wild. Far better to just hope Kamara plays and pivot to a free agent or bench player if he's out than to lock in Singletary when Kamara may still play.

[@sirJames8]

​@@Jermo484for real. If you're scared of a Q tag, fantasy isn't for you

[@namesandmanes]

@@Jermo484 I'm still planning on playing Kamara. It wasn't in place of him, but about where I could pivot if I have to play a bench player instead of him. And again, it was a great matchup in a point per rush attempt league. If it were a Sunday game, it would have been a home run flex play.

[@mansionman777]

Turd Ferguson might be the TE1 if he keeps getting this volume

[@YagiTV_]

Been refreshing since 11, finally.

[@sonicportal7375]

I think Mike Wright uses the word “of” more often and in stranger ways than anyone I’ve ever heard speak. And I don’t mind it, just a weird thing that always perks my ears up.

[@TheFrothyBrew]

I've definitely noticed, and even commented the same thing before. The Ballers have never brought it up, I think, because it would just upset Mike to confront him about it. While in the past, they gave so much shit to Jason for repeating "drafted to be great" until he stopped.

[@StrongStyleNinja]

Thursday Night Fartball. It was great with Nabers before the concussion.

[@Celestial-Dragon]

Doubs and Watson are available on waivers. Who do you think is better rest of season with Love?

[@19faf]

Doubs

[@oberKGBler]

Doubs for the floor, Watson for the upside...I would pick neither

[@mattduffy9743]

Would you drop Michael Pittstain and pick up Wan' dale Robinson or Xavier Legette?

[@ThaDoubster]

Do whatever you can to trade him. I just packaged Pittman in a trade to get Jayden Reed.

[@snoopjellyproductions809]

Instead of a great TE week it turned out to be a great Derrick Henry week!!!!

[@Angelo-uo2gj]

Adams is out. Should I start Jakobi or Rome?

[@TFFForecast]

Meyers with Keenan back feels safer

[@TreyKitt]

Who should I start Shakir, Thomas Jr., or Waddle in Flex Spot?

[@Celestial-Dragon]

I would go Shakir or Thomas Jr. its a toss up

[@anthonywilliams5475]

In all seriousness is jahon Dodson a flex this week

[@FeedTheFrenzy]

Before the news on A.J being questionable, I traded him for Marvin Harrison Jr. Did I make the right choice?? I was scared of how much time he’ll miss & if the injury keeps bugging him.

[@Lavolpeengreece]

Yes you made the right choice

[@sepetemat31]

50/50 AJB will be back after bye (wk5) so if Marv can keep it up, it’s an even trade.

[@gam3rman0924]

I think it can go either way even for both sides imo brown better rest of season tho his schedule after the bye is crazy good

[@FeedTheFrenzy]

@@sepetemat31 yeah, i was just worried about when he’d be back playing, & if his hamstring keeps messing with him throughout the year

[@Ryanh1010]

i personally dont hate it but im very high on marv ha i think they are being cautious with aj brown and i believe the suspicions were they would sit him out up to week 5 where they have the bye, if hes not back by week 6 id be concerned. Outside of week 1 marv has been solid so really comes down to what you think of kyler/marv

[@mattflannelly767]

Who to start Najee or josh jacobs???

[@kbwebtech1]

Been waiting for this all day 😅

[@mattport4491]

I got Tyreek for Adams strait up on Tuesday!

[@jake_villanueva]

Ja’Marr chase / rashee rice starting. So I flex DK or Mike Evans??

[@notlucid1]

Do I start odunze or rachad?

[@camdenadler235]

Easy choice cause odunze just got hit with an injury designation tag

[@camdenadler235]

Easy choice cause odunze just got hit with an injury designation tag and Bucky Irving might also be out. Go Rachaad and thank me later.

[@venod3134]

Jones wasnt the problem with the down the field throws to Wandell. Wandell cant track the ball, nor is he big enough to "go up and get it".

[@willbannon9016]

I picked up one Dale Robinson. So the game wasnt so bad

[@srl7997]

We decided to just lump TE/WR into one position a couple of years ago. We don't regret it.

[@oberKGBler]

Do you start more then two TE's in the league?

[@srl7997]

@oberKGBler nope!! Haha. They get streamed a lot. It got to a point where we got tired of 4 or 5 TE being relevant, and then just guessing week to week, which others would score a few points. The stars get rostered; Kelce gets drafted every year, a few others usually. I drafted La Porta this year. 😒

[@justinbodenschatz3796]

I think we should keep the end look for Mike, really ups the show quality 😂😂

[@Tonytaz90]

Have Drake London. Was offered Kelce. What do we think fellas?? I’m 1-2. Have Chase, Reed, Dionte, and tank

[@leonardsadowsky8842]

Hurts, La Porta, Kupp for Nabers, Connor, Richardson, Kincaid. Need help modifying this trade. Feel like I’m offering too much. Or is it fair? I have no RBs, and my other top Wr is AJ brown

[@ericfisher886]

Nabers is what we though Kadarious Toney was going to be

[@volfglazer2948]

Would you trade AJ Brown (12th round keeper) for nahjee Harris+1st round draft pick?

[@konnorspencer902]

Are you in dire need for players right now? AJ Brown is more productive, on a better team and highly targeted... Just watch after the bye week next week the eagles will be reloaded and AJ will dominate but if this is desperation or if you're fully stocked and looking for picks then that's still a gamble because warren and Patterson will steal a lot of touches thru the year but he is looking good right now

[@sackme97]

Where is the Falcons-Saints matchup?

[@zacharyaceves8214]

You guys are saying to play Pittman jr over Ridley in the rankings? I thought we were scared of Pittman cuz it’s the Steelers against Richardson at QB?

[@djquill3303]

Wandale is a ppr cheat code

[@alejandromarquez8407]

Oh yeah!

[@cardinalsfan9610]

Devin Singletary 😭 It's wild how it was predicted that both teams would run the ball a ton, but instead it was a passing-fest. Oof.

[@derickwells7346]

With no WRs and possible bad field conditions, does anyone start J Daniel's over Jalen Hurts?

[@lebronjames9920]

Kincaid or LaPorta? LaPorta banged up, Kincaid in a good matchup. But LaPorta playing on Monday makes it tricky.

[@jimmygiant86]

Andy looks fried