Rachel Hollis & The Authenticity Industrial Complex

[@cde423]

For me, I was out at the divorce announcement. Through the covid lockdown, there were people writing into the their relationship podcast with genuine sincerity & vulnerability saying they were struggling being home with their spouses and partners. Rachel and Dave were basically like “🤷🏻‍♀️ were the happiest we’ve ever been. Our marriage is stronger, in fact. Must be a you problem.” Then two months later it’s “this divorce is three years in the making.”

[@KelseyDunlevy]

And then Rachel had the audacity to lie to her audience and say that they shared that they were struggling for years... I would love to ask her, face-to-face, show me exactly where you told us you and Dave were struggling in your marriage. She constantly bragged about how their marriage was better than ever, and she was an exceptional wife, etc...

[@franniepan]

Not only that, now she's saying, they were struggling for 5 to 7 years before they got divorced.

[@placeholder_name321]

One hundred present. The hypocrisy is mind boggling

[@Nick_Lewis]

I used to think KZbin was a huge place but now seeing TFD, Julia and a Smokey Glow shoutout all in one video makes me realize that it's not that big! Now how do we all hang out together in real life?

[@julialorenz-olson3515]

Totes. I'll bring the snacks.

[@collectivecommentary123]

I love Smokey Glow. Honestly Chelsea should interview her for the regular TFC Podcast.

[@Katilda136]

Came here to say this

[@alyj6398]

Would absolutely love that.

[@alejandrahinostrozaa]

Id love to see that happening

[@AlexHider]

YES

[@AlexielRaziel]

AGREED!

[@SAVYWRITESBOOKS]

thanks for having me on :)

[@okoala62]

It was so cool to hear your voice and commentary on here! 🤩 I love it when my fave KZbinrs collaborate!

[@RKGold]

The champ is here

[@SAVYWRITESBOOKS]

@@RKGold there's no champ without her teammate 👏 i made the goal you made the assist

[@SAVYWRITESBOOKS]

@@okoala62 thank you so much 😭

[@letthePigeondrivethebus]

Was excited to hear you here!!

[@haleymist09]

Hollisville has a whole-ass subdivision that has a tax haven in my head. I only started following the drama since lockdown. It's so interesting to watch how Rachel, Dave, and Heidi pivot, or lack thereof. And I am STOKED you featured Savy! Love her takes on self-help gurus as a small business owner and author. Edit: AND Smoky Glow? Awesome!

[@iamawesomeprods]

Okay❤thanks❤😮😂Rachael said

[@okoala62]

Right?! SAME HERE! I love this topic!

[@letthePigeondrivethebus]

I was excited to hear them too!!

[@julialorenz-olson3515]

COULD NOT HAVE SAID THIS BETTER MYSELFFFF😂

[@Sophia-zo2or]

TFD is really putting out nothing but hits lately I love it

[@LovinBeingNatural]

I agree ☝🏽

[@fortheloveofLDS]

I'm a Two Cents viewer and it's so enjoyable to see a different side of Julia in this more casual conversation format. This series is a banger!

[@asherwells401]

The smokey glow evolution of Rachel Hollis is sooo good def recommend going to watch the video

[@julialorenz-olson3515]

So so good.

[@livb7322]

SO excited when they mentioned Savvy. A necessary collaboration 🙌🏻

[@RKGold]

Savy is the best!!!!

[@julialorenz-olson3515]

🎉

[@azsparks1]

I really have to thank TFD for really educating me on influencers, MLMs, etc the past few years. I definitely compared myself to the picturesque Instagram posts with their generic quotes and it was very miserable. My sister read Rachel Hollis’s book and raved about it. I didn’t end up reading it because I preferred self help books that have some empirical studies and I can look at how the data is interpreted. One thing I definitely picked up from Grad School was that if someone is coming from a position of authority then you should be questioning as no body of knowledge is complete.

[@cooperhansen7430]

One thing I find so interesting with this couple that you kinda leave out is that - you say Rachel Hollis "convinced" Dave to leave his job. BUT she makes it clear in her books that he only left his job if he could basically run the company she built. Whether you like the business or not, it was hers, and he left his job and was not willing to be second to her. They had an imbalance of power when they got together and he was never willing to let that imbalance go

[@julialorenz-olson3515]

Very good point!

[@ZenWaveCinema]

Back then when they were still Christian Fundo it would be "unbiblical" for him to be under her authority in any way.

[@jonreznick5531]

As a portrait photographer I described for my clients what you call "curated imperfection" as "staged candids". :D

[@alwaysanswerb]

Also "plandid"

[@julialorenz-olson3515]

Ooooooo good one!

[@christine3507]

Absolutely LOVED this. So nice to hear from someone else who was a fan and has since “seen the light.”

[@the-banana-man]

I'm a single male that's MILES away from Rachel's demographic, so it's amazing hear about someone in a different world then me. Great storytelling!

[@Olivias180]

Also I love savvy writes books!!!! What a fun surprise for her to be featured!!

[@letthePigeondrivethebus]

I thought the same thing!

[@ronifurr]

Omg I love Savy! It’s such a treat when your favorite channels collaborate!

[@RKGold]

Completely agree

[@schynelify]

I watch Julia’s 2 cents channel from time to time and I love the personality and sass in these podcasts from her

[@julialorenz-olson3515]

❤❤❤❤

[@sparkymularkey6970]

As someone who is divorced and had a now-ex-husband who was very, very judgmental and overly critical of every single choice I made, listening to that segment from their morning show was like having PTSD flashbacks, holy shit...

[@CindySmith0718]

This is an incredibly smart and well outlined look at the Rachel Hollis/self-help phenomenon. "Selling you a line of control" that ultimately becomes "you have no one but yourself to blame," despite the immense privileges of the people selling you those ideas--that's one reason I left the Unity church I used to attend. That's a huge part of New Age/New Thought philosophy. There's an interesting juxtaposition in Rachel Hollis, coming from a Christian background, where they typically espouse the idea that everything is God's plan and we don't really have control, with the New Age idea that ONLY you have control over what manifests in your life.

[@rosaryfitzgerald165]

the one thing that haunts me from her first book was how she felt personally victimized by enduring a routine visit to check up on her foster child.

[@julialorenz-olson3515]

YIIIIIKKKKESSSSSSSS

[@girlfan]

Münecat did a video on Rachel Hollis so I'm looking forward to this discussion

[@maaidalena]

Also, the podcast Maintenance Phase did a wonderful two part episode about her 🔥

[@madelinemiller3209]

Loved this episode! Came out of it with knowledge of red flags to watch out for as someone who could definitely fall down the rabbit hole of.a self help influencer . I also love the honesty Julia has about the temptation to brand herself on social media. It definitely takes self-awareness and integrity to resist marketing yourself when you're already making a career online.

[@loram3447]

Privilege is any unearned advantage. -it can be anything from naturally straight teeth, to growing up in a bilingual home, to being the eldest son of the Queen of England- not just Conventionally attractive, straight, cis, white, male with a trust fund and a therapist on speed dial. "I am privileged af, but no one works harder than I do to get what I have." -RH. This sounds like "born on third base" talk-or in RH's case: born on first base, married on third.

[@sparkymularkey6970]

It reminds me of the Hollywood nepotism babies that swear up and down that it's a meritocracy.

[@Clairelaferret]

Loving this episode! So great to hear Savvy and I’m really enjoying the different takes of the hosts. Based on just the episodes released so far, the hosts are setting in to a great dynamic and I can only see this podcast getting better

[@julialorenz-olson3515]

Awwww thank you so much!

[@Stephanie-ni6zc]

“There is a commodification and a displaying of children that is a major red flag”. Absolutely.

[@lytaylor1204]

GREAT podcast. I have never heard of Rachel Hollis, even though I have heard the title "Girl Wash Your Face" somewhere. I think this is a very important discussion regarding self-help and influencers. I can't wait for the next episode of this podcast.

[@bagery]

Julia! I found you all at the beginning of my finance journey in early 2019! Was so excited to discover you're fellow Austinites making a dent in personal finance :) Btw, recognized your husband in local news footage for that drive-in wedding of all things, haha! Keep it up! Oh, and Dave Ramsey (I know) was a big part of that early journey as well. I took what bits I could of it, threw out the rest then rice and beaned for a year and became debt free Jan 2020, all thanks to my KZbin finance friends! Thank-you ;)

[@julialorenz-olson3515]

Love it!!! Hello!!!

[@Mushroompanda648]

I love this! I’m here for it!! Thank you for this episode Rachel effected my life as well and it’s comforting to listen to people break down her toxic hold on people. 🙏

[@andream5585]

That was sooo good Ryan and Julia, I enjoyed the conversation and the snippets from Savvy. Keep it comin' TFD!

[@caleighrutledge4202]

Love this pair on TFD!! Ryan has this lovely way of navigating the discussion in the journalist/participant role and Julia keeps the discussion snappy in a way that keeps the podcast rolling until the hour has passed in a blink!! Really added value to the brand 👏

[@julialorenz-olson3515]

UGHH. THANK YOU!!!

[@chelsbells27]

Love this deep dive! Also love Smokey Glow, Savy, AND Camelia!

[@ILikeBigCatsAndICannotLie]

I had heard of Rachel Hollis, I knew someone who went to her Rise conference. Several people recommended Girl, Wash Your Face. So, I read the book and felt like it was disappointingly a repeat of all the generic life advice we all hear with a dash of romanticizing her abusive relationship with her future husband and gently telling us if we can’t do it it’s our lazy fat ass fault, whatever “it” is. But smile girl! It came as no surprise when soon after I heard she was divorced despite her “perfect” relationship.

[@nici4479]

What a great way to include an important conversation! I've read that book, the only relatable part in it is the whole "keep promises to yourself" chapter; everything else was just crap. With the relationship chapter even worse lol

[@EleanorRoseRyan]

"Self help is selling a line of control....." ".... and ultimately you are the one to blame" Ryan said it best. Insidious .... and Rachel saying the lack of sleep thing- something that hit me in bed the other night with the 75 Hard challenge. Like, it goes on recommending dragging exercise equipment into your drive way at 1 AM..... no no no. I will complete the challenge but not giving up sleep...... Rest and recovery are 2 of the most important pieces of health.

[@meelamiela]

This was literally one of the best episodes thus far!

[@alliecat1019]

Love this but wish they called out Rachel for the blatant racism she exhibits. The reason that a lot of people were upset about the Tik Tok video was not the disdain for her audience but rather the blatant racism she exhibited.

[@emilyb3875]

Maintenance Phase podcast called it out a little, just two of her most notable microaggressions, I never followed her so I only know the incidents they made fun of but she sounds like a real piece of work

[@nonamenoname1133]

Love the shoutout to Maintenance Phase. That's a damn good podcast a lot of the audience would like.

[@emilyb3875]

I love their podcast too!!! So well researched

[@sinestesianestesia9079]

Hahaha hadnt seen this comment but i just commented the exact same thing lmaoo

[@Iquey]

WHAT an interview with two cool folks AND THEY INVITED SAVVY!!!! be still my heart! But yes the sad boxed cake mix story was so strange. I guess as a kid it matters, but as an adult you worry about bigger things.

[@SAVYWRITESBOOKS]

Love me some boxed cake. My mom made me some after my own b00b job

[@Boahemaa]

I love this series so much! Great Job guys. So glad to hear from Savvy Writes Books!💯

[@loveinseattle]

This reminds of another money influencer, Mr. Money Mustache, who surprised everyone with a divorce announcement. There's nothing wrong with divorce, of course, but he also portrayed his life as the ideal version of how good life could be if you lived liked him. He's even given marriage advice in his blog. It really made me feel like his entire schtick is a scam.

[@myrtlebeachsara]

Yes, I was shocked by Mr money mustache!! I think there's a lot of people who do things as a couple and unfortunately they don't work out. He did make it seem like they figured everything out so that's why it shocked me.

[@primesister2756]

Whoa! I didn't know that about Mr MM. Sur-prise!

[@YukiTombo]

I had no idea who Rachael Hollis was before listening to this, but it's hitting different in the midst of TryGate

[@catherineshock5490]

Love this series! Please, though, link to the platforms of the people you include.

[@oliviagalluccii]

Who was the KZbinr they mentioned? “Camilla Cazan”? Unsure how to spell the name they mentioned.

[@brilopez8623]

I didn't know this podcast was part of TFD and don't generally listen to podcasts on KZbin, but this was fascinating!

[@Abigail-ny1no]

I appreciated the part about seeing all criticism as hate. I was in a "master class" once where a gorgeous white woman talked about how a client told her she was a little overwhelmed by the woman's manner of speaking. As an introvert, I was too. But the woman basically interpreted it as "How dare you! F*ck off if I'm 'too much' for you," rather than considering that her manner of messaging might be off-putting to certain persons. It's true that not every person is right for everyone, but it's like people are allergic to self-awareness or reflection as a means to self-improvement. I myself am very sensitive to criticism, but have taken steps to address that and to depersonalize criticism so I can grow. No one is perfect; why is that awful to admit?

[@nicolekenna8625]

It is hard to admit when you're wrong, but it's worse to insist you're still right as the world moves on without you.

[@sinestesianestesia9079]

Yesss always here for the maintenance phase shoutoutss ❤❤❤ great episode!

[@rebeccajones9757]

I love Savvy's channel. I used to slurp up all that motivational baloney and it's enlightening to hear her react.

[@julialorenz-olson3515]

SAME Lol.

[@muiawat]

Thank you so much for this video! “ wellness” mama toolkit : - belayage or straight up blond - bikini 👙 shots of “ real “ post partum bodies - sponsored trip to Disney - supplements ads Now I understand the assignment and can spot her a mile a away . Lol

[@Turnbasis]

Omg Savvy! 😍 Love this crossover!

[@RKGold]

The crossover we needed!!!

[@LouisaWatt]

I worked in a library as well, which is how I got sucked into the self-help section 😆

[@MaretteFlora]

Munecat did a great video on Rachel Hollis. Highly recommend.

[@Ergmermerg]

I'd love to hear you guys critique Jen Sincero and You are a Badass books. The financial advice is straight up FRIGHTENING.

[@AlexielRaziel]

Smokey Glow is amazing!! I'd love to see her on TFD!

[@letthePigeondrivethebus]

I like the overlap between the different KZbinrs but with Cam and Savy mentioned, I feel like we're also missing Keya

[@aws2929]

Yes!! I was waiting to hear her channel mentioned. I love her livestreams. Keya is probably the biggest Hollis expert at this point. Lol

[@uncannedspaghetti]

Yeees if they ever cover this again they have to interview Keya

[@docmarmalade5224]

I had to look up who Rachel Hollis was. Her photo was familiar. I remember looking at one of her books, but didn't buy it. Her lack of education was one of the reasons.

[@RKGold]

Love hearing savy on this channel!!!!

[@SAVYWRITESBOOKS]

🥰

[@davidylan]

Excellent topic and content. The speaking style was really grating on the ears, I’m surprised I made it to the end.

[@myy5430]

Love Savy, Cam ans Keya's world ❤️❤️❤️

[@KateeAngel]

11:36 - "Blessed enough to carry my babies" sounds yikes as if women who can't carry a pregnancy or those who don't want to be pregnant, are worse off. As a childfree woman I cannot care less for people like her. I would immediately dislike her if that was the first post of her I saw. Also I have stretch marks since teen years. Her post sounds as if women who had stretch marks as a result of pregnancy or significant weight loss deserve to wear them with pride, but where does it leave women who have stretch marks without ever being pregnant or losing significant amount of weight?

[@Andrea-xe6kg]

Savy and a Camelia shout-out! Love this!

[@RKGold]

Two incredible creators

[@SAVYWRITESBOOKS]

@@RKGold no you

[@noram3601]

Sensational podcast really enjoyed it. What were the names of the podcasts mentioned in the video?

[@rangeprincesa]

I love Savy! And I despise The Hollis Co. productions. I love this already hahaha

[@julialorenz-olson3515]

Lol. Cool kids club.

[@wiltedspinachcat3472]

yayyy a smokey glow shoutout!! love hannah!!

[@natgl11]

loved this episode! I wish you'd put links in the description box to the other people in the video though, especially Savy since she was interviewed (I understand not linking the other creators mentioned briefly like Smokey Glow, although that would be nice too).

[@peanutbutterprincess]

Ohhh the updates to this.....

[@fallingfornatureinsuburbia8625]

I read Jen Sincero’s You are a Badass and man, I fell for it. I couldn’t figure out why I couldn’t get to a level that Jen describes. It was thanks to Savvy that opened my eyes on that one. 😊

[@spenx09]

I love Savy, it's great to hear her here 🤩

[@Icynova]

You should link to your guests in your video description

[@pokemonfanthings4444]

Omg I love Savy Writes Books I was not expecting her

[@ishtar6098]

Ran over to spotify and subscribed - love this content

[@richardallen144]

Just realized this is "Hotlips" Houlihan from "How Was Your Week?" fame

[@billwilder1340]

Great podcast! Self help is about control! Well stated

[@desertels5119]

Is Ryan going to be the person who has more information for other episodes this series? At the moment it feels like Julia is doing most of the research in the last three episodes. Maybe he is meant to be the audience proxy who does not know about the subject? I think it would be more natural for the hosts to interview the people contributing the audio clips so it is more integrated into the episode, at the moment it feels out of place. I like the guests can contribute new information/perspective/insider look. Julia is very engaging and looking forward to new episodes !

[@AyH25]

Yes there will be a another about housewives

[@julialorenz-olson3515]

Great question!! When we recorded we actually shared each subject back and forth and have an equal amount. It just so happened that two I led were put next to each other. But I'll definitely be more on the backburner soon. LOL. But thank you!!

[@sophiaborghese189]

They’re just like Ned and Ariel from The Try Guys. Never trust any couple that makes relationship help conferences or podcasts - the only reason they have help to give is because they have constant trouble.

[@DavidNunezPNW]

Can someone link to the third speaker in this video? I would like to check out their content

[@letthePigeondrivethebus]

Are you referring to @SAVY WRITES BOOKS ?

[@SAVYWRITESBOOKS]

Hi i'm right here 👋 nice to meet you

[@falcone9412]

Remember when the Mind Valley couple decided to call divorce, conscious decoupling? These people have no shame. They will make you believe they have figured out love, marriage, parenting, finances, and life.

[@onya2954]

I really enjoyed this episode! More like this please 😄

[@doloresleiser2715]

Well done, Savy!!

[@lemontreewrites]

I loved this, more like this!!

[@blueberrybubbles17]

Pls do raw alignment/alyse parker and her clan/Kangen water!!

[@thatonedog819]

I honestly think there's power in putting your goals out loud and in writing..... Not like God is going to make it happen or anything, but I think it has kind of a psychological impact that makes you more confident and go after things you wouldn't have before.

[@andrearoballo1254]

I need video of this!!! You guys sound so fun!

[@annwilliams6438]

I felt the conversation between the Hollis couple was creepy - it is so service-level it is frightening. Completely self-focused, chopped up and darting all over. Definitely worth looking at for traits of psychopathy.

[@AliceDepaul]

I love these episodes

[@Murphylady23]

Haha some stuff was helpful to learn from her but mannnn i fell for this stuff and was let down during the pandemic 😢😂❤

[@ariesmry]

I JUST realized that Julia is the same host from 2 cents!

[@phoebe4450]

Love Smokey Glow! She’d be a great guest here

[@Azarko212]

The only good information I got from girl wash your face was potential issues I might run into if I ever have the privilege to foster/adopt a child. Everything else was pretty basic, and she would say if you don’t believe in god then use whatever you use then proceed to talk about god, as an atheist I couldn’t really relate to those bits. But whatever I just read past it. As soon as she said she was a blogger in the beginning of the book I ONLY read it in a bloggy voice and couldn’t really feel any sincerity in it.

[@anafalconshow]

I find this podcast eerily similar to the Hollis episode of Maintenance Phase podcast, albeit less noisy. It is okay to cover the same topic, but noticed a lot of same takes, reactions, was a bit too similar.

[@gabbyabbybby]

So excited to be here so early 😊

[@hanaj]

I don’t feel like pretty privilege is acknowledged enough

[@tokiobabe99]

I love smokey glow and you should totally talk to her.

[@oohlookatthatdoggo]

Nothing against your points, except this is not what an "industrial complex" is.

[@ieatgremlins]

Girl, stop writing books.

[@chalybion]

I almost thought that this was a podcast with Rachel Hollis. I almost unsubscribed xD

[@PhilosopherThom]

The interruptions by the extra person are done at annoying points and too often. Break them up onto 2, 3 parts max and edit it differently into the discussion. And discuss what the person says. Now they are like commercials in the way you treat them (and I'm subscribed to Savy writes books).

[@VeeLondon1449]

This is very interesting though I’ve observed “self help” I’ve never followed It. Or those who peddle it.

[@Olivias180]

Yes! Love this.

[@maggiethurber8111]

I wish i could have finished the podcast because I liked most of what you had to say, however, i had to stop because there isn’t much nuance here. I expect more from FD. Saying things like “she made her husband quit his job” totally glosses over the responsibility Dave had in the Hollis car crash. There seems to be a lot of dog piling just for the effect of being able to say how bad she is. I have never been a RH fan, but i think the conversation could have been a lot more interesting if it had explored the idea of how our society set up someone like Rachel Hollis to succeed and fail instead of being like “i loved her, but man now i realize she was the worst.” Also, male self-help gurus have said way worse stuff the RH, but they are never held accountable the same way she was, why? Lastly, for all the talk of cancel culture celebrities don’t really get cancelled but Rachel Hollis as lost most of her fan base. What let to such a thorough cancellation of her? Sexism, pandemic, or does the self-help industry just need to sacrifice one of their own to keep on scamming? I only got to min 38:42 so maybe it does cover more of these nuance topics. Thanks!