Broken heroes aren't the problem - It's Just bad Writing

[@kr4119]

This is the sanest, most concise breakdown of what Disney Star Wars has done to Luke that I have seen. You absolutely hit the nail on the head. I appreciate the distinction between how Luke has been treated compared to Han Solo and other similar characters. Character assassination is the worst!

[@patrickmcdonald8513]

Luke didn't just resist the dark side while facing Vader and the emperor. He resisted the dark side while the fate of the entire galaxy literally hung outside his window.

[@TheFirstOkiro]

On a battle station that was about to blow up I think your sleeping emo nephew could at least get one conversation before jumping to contemplating ending him in his sleep. Luke could over power Luke in an instant. He did not need to do that while Kylo slept

[@ChosenOne-il4bm]

@@TheFirstOkiroI think You can’t stand Heroes making mistakes and fallen Then rising themselves back up These struggles hit people Differently It’s a constant struggle It does not end 😂 after one moment in time Also Star Wars is meant to be a mythology So like there different versions of king Arthur or Hercules Why not Luke Canon and Legends are meant to be two different versions of Star Wars That have been documented in a far far far away Like in our world Different religions Myths Historical accounts that tell certain events differently

[@mollymcallister1671]

@@ChosenOne-il4bm Firstly, wow... that formatting. :D Secondly, this reads like you ether didn't watch the whole video, didn't understand the video, or are deliberately interpreting it in a disingenuous way. What happened with Luke's character in TLJ wasn't an example of a hero making a mistake and falling then struggling to reclaim themselves. What happened was an example of someone with perhaps a surplus of pessimism seeking to destroy something optimistic within the fictional universe they were given control over. Could Luke have made mistakes? Yes, he just wouldn't have made These mistakes. Could Luke have fallen? Yes, it just wouldn't have played-out this way because... again... he wouldn't have made these particular mistakes. Could the story of a fallen Luke struggling and reclaiming himself been a good story? Hell yes, but... again... that wasn't the story TLJ was telling.

[@ryannathaniel9296]

@ChosenOne Wow, the amount of effort you gave... To justify bad writing... So inspirational... So brave.. So stunning...

[@jamestolbert1856]

@@ChosenOne-il4bmok first off Chosen One, Luke failed plenty of times in the Original Trilogy. He failed to save his aunt and uncle, he failed to save Han and defeat Vader, and he also failed to kill the Emperor in both Legends and Canon. But the strongest thing is that he never gave up! He kept on going no matter what came his way and kept on fighting for his friends, he kept on holding out his hand for his father, and he kept trying to find hope in the galaxy’s darkest hour

[@Drave_Jr.]

I think Character Assassination is worse for the main reason that Destruction doesn't simply say internally what we're seeing now is what they were before. Luke wanting to kill Ben is impossible to think about when Vader is in the picture and he himself used it as well, because he cut off the hand during that. With Indy, at least out of universe they aren't saying Indy was like this during Crystal Skull. It's a consequence of what they decided to put on him so as to prop up their new female lead. Character Destruction can be fun stories, as you mentioned Logan. Assassinations aren't because they're destroying the character's identity for no reason other than to make them tell a story that makes little sense in universe.

[@TheFirstOkiro]

As I said, in the video, you can make character destruction work. It’s happened with characters like Spider-Man or wolverine. Dialogue destiny suffered because of execution, but it could have worked. Character assassination is irreversible damage. There is no going back, especially for Luke with his character assassination is so much a fundamental contradiction to everything known about the character. It changes everything.

[@SpFlash1523]

Another example of "a character destruction well done" is Charles Xavier from X-Men: Days of Future Past and Logan.

[@HeartlessSlayer]

Another thing I remember some TLJ fans said in defence of Luke's character is, if I remember, just paraphrasing: "Luke's gotten older, as we get old too. And a lot happens that can change a person in time. Its what is call being human." To me it sounds like they like Luke being a grouchy old man because they're grouchy old men themselves too.

[@TheFirstOkiro]

The funny thing is characters are not people. They can only exist within the context given to them initially, and you must grow them from that context. Everything else is just self projection and delusional defenses.

[@HeartlessSlayer]

@@TheFirstOkiro Gonna be hard to convince those who'll stand by those decisions the film made. I know its all subjective but sheesh... some people can be VERY adamant about their opinions. Ironic coming from me admittedly lol. Still, didn't help too another reason that Rian had Luke die in the 2nd film of the trilogy was that, again, paraphrasing, but I swear he said that he doesn't like to end films to have a continuation. Preferring to have films with a definitive end. LOOK HOW WELL THAT TURNED OUT!

[@kingorange7739]

@@HeartlessSlayer Thing is I would argue inconsistency actually exists as an objective problem, not subjective. Its like you established the math problem (Context) 2+2 = 4 (Character) you can't suddenly make it 2+2=5

[@tacticianAlexandra]

@@kingorange7739 Yeah there are some objective things in writing. Like as you say. If a piece of media goes this is how x works. People are willing to accept that how x works in this world. Even if say, it doesn't match up with our own reality. Now suddenly you see someone come along and break all the rules for the magic system. Given events in a story play out the same way each and every time Like Luke blowing up the death star in a new hope, unless it something like a choose your own adventure book. Yeah that would be a flaw. For now the viewer no longer has any idea how the magic system is meant to work. Leading to the issue of, a character can suddenly just become more powerful or pull a new ability out of their rear for reasons. Or to bring up Rwby, a series that has retcon it own magic system so many times. It hard to know if what the characters doing makes sense within the context of the world or if it all nonsense. Even hard-core fans have trouble understanding it magic system. Which leads to ruining investment and tension in a story. For it no longer the heroes coming up with a clever plan to beat the villain but just due to the author favoring them, in ways that clearly breaks the logic of the setting, taking the viewer out of the experience by reminding them this is all fiction. Set up and build up, is a key part of any good story. Which is why the classic training arc gets used alot. It allows a character to improve themselves, becoming stronger and learning new abilities in a way that makes sense. For the training arc is rather simple to use, making it easy to pull off the execution of it. While random powers out of the blue is the poorly execution version of giving the hero new stuff. For it simply makes no sense, nothing is earn or gain. It just happens. For alot of ideas can be done well, with proper execution behind them. For that what I would say. Not that story telling is all subjective but rather, if something works or not depends on the execution. Given there been bad action films and good action films. Sometimes a minor difference, can be the one thing that makes or breaks an action fight.

[@kingorange7739]

@@tacticianAlexandra exactly

[@thelittleredhairedgirlfrom6527]

Luke Skywalker and Clark Kent/Superman are the embodiments of what masculinity looks like when it isn’t toxic, and I feel like this is part of why so many writers want to drag them back down into the mud.

[@TheFirstOkiro]

It’s sad, because Luke Skywalker in the original trilogy encapsulated what was positive masculinity, but was often overlooked not being masculine enough back in the day, and now in the modern day, you have trying to say he was toxic masculinity. What a sad turn of affairs.

[@rhettmaxwell4860]

@@TheFirstOkiroHow true. That’s why Mark Hammil had a much better career in animation.

[@HandofOmega]

This is a message that needs to reach more of the fandom...I'm sooo tired of hearing fans claim "They're doing TLJ to our heroes again!" everytime we see a older character return; I remember certain sectors of fandom saying that with Picard, where I felt it didn't apply at all: Both Picard and Luke are in self-imposed exile, stewing in bitterness, yes, but as soon as a desperate young woman comes to them for help, Picard *immediately* drops everything to do all he can to help her...because his writers remembered that *that's WHO he IS* (Picard had lots of problems, but that wasn't one of them)! Nuance matters, people...

[@TheFirstOkiro]

It’s execution that people don’t understand. Heroes do get old, heroes do retire, but there is a critical difference between a character being completely assassinated vs a story just being poorly executed. Picard is a poorly executed show at times, but it never commits to completely assassinating the character. The series also allows the character to live and because of that, the story is able to end on high note despite its rough beginnings. That is far better than TLJ character assassinating Luke, then literally assassinating the character so there can be the redemption of the story or the character. Killing Luke was probably the most selfish thing TLJ could’ve ever done because it made any redemption impossible.

[@HandofOmega]

@@TheFirstOkiro Yep. I remember TLJ defenders not understanding why the movie's detractors loved Logan, despite the plot's description being similar on paper. My response: Imagine if Logan said "No" to Laura's mother...then spent the entire run time of the movie just sitting in that apartment, refusing to budge, unto the last ten minutes. THAT'S The Last Jedi...🙄

[@MrPatrick1980]

Thank you!

[@TheFirstOkiro]

@@HandofOmega I think the worst part is that it’s just boring. I’ve heard so many people say it’s the most interesting the character has been when I find it to be the most superficial and one dimensional. I don’t think anyone expected Luke to be completely ok if they watched TFA but there’s a giant difference between Luke being a herding hero to being a completely different character. Logan, Peter B, despite their broken down state, they are very much recognizable as the characters. Luke he only recognizable due to being played by Mark Hamill.

[@jaieregilmore971]

@@VesnaVKyeah that island didn’t serve any purpose at all first Jedi temple my ass. I honestly thought Luke took the surviving Jedis of his temple into hidden to complete there training when the time is right due to they have different housing seem going be more people in next movie to show finding the map was worth it.

[@taste_is_sweet]

While I'm here, I wanted to mention how Luke's character assassination is like a microcosm of the macrocosmic assassination of the entire New Republic. Every time I see how inefficient, oblivious, arrogant and just plain stupid anyone in the NR is if they have any kind of responsibility, I can't help thinking about *Andor,* *Rogue One,* *Rebels* and of course the OT. So many characters sacrificed themselves to defeat the Empire, and for what? To be relegated to footnotes at best, or at worst to look like nearsighted fools who died for nothing, just to make it possible for Palpatine to somehow return. This is the sunrise Luthen never saw; how pathetic.

[@PalpamemesYT]

The biggest crime in The Last Jedi is killing Luke, just moments after he’s back to being a hero again. It’s a horrible message, and Luke did not finish what he originally intended to do. He still had a LOT of work to do, helping reshape and rebuild the galaxy…but now that opportunity is taken away from him by death. Sure, he saved the resistance(?), but his arc was supposed to be led to something much bigger, and more impactful: the return of the Jedi.

[@TheFirstOkiro]

It’s the worse fault of TLJ in regards to its characters and the trilogy. Peter B Parker has a terrible fall from grace in the film “Into the Spider-Verse” and is almost everything Spider-Man is not, yet by living and remembering who he was, it allows Peter to have the opportunity to become great again. Showing that our failings are not death sentences Luke’s treatment is a cruel message that the only way we can fix ourselves is through death and even then our mistakes and problems will still hurt others.

[@PalpamemesYT]

@@TheFirstOkiro 100% brother.

[@jaieregilmore971]

It didn’t help made the resistance fail there to bring Luke back have this so called celebration that is so hollow at the end.

[@stephthebard9037]

Once again you touch with a NEEDLE my issues with the Sequel trilogy, even as someone who enjoyed TFA and Rey as a character a lot. Can I add the character assassination of Leia to this as well? I don't want to leave a novel explaining why, unless you want that in which case I will gladly leave another comment 😊. The idea that Leia would have just... not told Ben about Anakin or Padme, when she knows better than anyone the power that knowledge has, is mind blowing to me.

[@revanchist2256]

Its annoying because the broken hero trait IS a thing that happens with Luke in the old EU. New Jedi Order is all about it, him growing older and struggling with his new life as a Jedi Master. Its all about writing, its not that we don't like the trait of the broken hero

[@orboakin8074]

Thanks for this comment. I actually bought the EU novels for the post OG trilogy era and now I am glad I did. When I start reading them, I know to expect the good story telling and not Disney trash.

[@jacobwiren8142]

Before watching: The problem with Luke in Last Jedi is that he goes through an entire character arc off-screen and is a completely different character by the time we get to see him. All the flashbacks do is tell us this fact, that a WHOLE MOVIE worth of story happened already and WE DON'T GET TO SEE IT. The WORST thing you can do when writing a story is to tell the audience that "another interesting story is happening somewhere else". It COMPLETELY ruins immersion because now the audience is wondering why they can't see this other movie...

[@ShadowRoadX]

For me, it always screamed of two conflicting stories trying to be told in the same trilogy: The Last Jedi may be a good movie with interesting ideas and set-pieces, but it is NOT a proper second installment to a cohesive trilogy that started with the The Force Awakens. That was evident from the get-go and what took me out of it even before I saw what they'd turned Luke into, and every decision Rian made that contradicted, corrupted, or outright nullified what came before only made it feel worse. They never should have switched directors mid-way through such a massive project, hell they should have had an ACTUAL PLAN before they started it in the first place. For every good thing Disney manages to make with the IP, it feels like we get a dozen bad, and that's not going to balance out no matter how they try to keep milking it.

[@galenmerkso9879]

You're right, one of the things TLJ defenders always claim is that it's detractors needed Luke to be perfect: this is not the case. It comes down to the story and the execution, Logan came out earlier that year with a broken Logan, and no one ever complains about how it treats him.

[@TheFirstOkiro]

Logan, Deckard, Rocky, Peter B, shit even Sarah Conner in T2. There have been so many characters that have been damaged through the years and made more bitter. TLJ wasn’t revolutionary for what it did with Luke. It was unearned and made little sense

[@tacticianAlexandra]

I have never honestly heard anyone say, Luke should be a flawless perfect hero as a legit reason to why last jedi was bad. Always came off as a strawman, for only ever saw people defending the last jedi say it. Like have they not seen the original films? Luke needs his rear saved many times, even gets his rear handed to him by Vader on cloud city. A flawless hero, fits Rey better than it does Luke. Luke was far from perfect. He started out as a farm boy that would slowly become a hero. For in the original films, you got a story that made way more sense. For going from a to b to c. Worked, unlike the sequels. Not only due to consistency but also being able to understand how the character when from a farm boy to a Hero. Due to three full movies covering all of these events. While last jedi, just wants you to accept. This is Luke, without giving any reason as to why this is the case. Even the backstory it gives you, needs more backstory to explain things. For it still fails to show why Luke became this way. The backstory we get, already shows him being the way he is. Not how he became like this. Making it seem kind of pointless, outside of wanting to make the character into someone that was willing to murder Kylo, who should of been very easy to deal with after dealing with the likes of Vader. For it also brings in another question. If all people care about was seeing a flawless Luke, why did he become a popular character in the first place? Due to how flawed he was in the original movies? The whole thing just falls apart the more you think about it.

[@orboakin8074]

Sir, that opening monologue was brilliant and needed to be said. I will admit that i have, on occasion, gotten caught up in the culture issues and automatically ascribed media flaws to it but you are so right. These companies don't care about that stuff, even regardless of the alignment of their staff or managers. They just want money and will use any pandering and divisive means to get it. Criticism ofrmedia has mo political lense, especially for objective and constructive criticism. Many thabks for your reasonable take.

[@The.Crawling.Chaos.]

Good of you to use that Sam Witwer clip. He nails it! 🙂 ps. For me the broken Indy who gets rebuild worked for me in Indy 5. Yes he had a bad moment but at the end he ends up with Marion again and Salah and grandkids comes by as they live a few blocks away. I thought this is nice Indy and Marion found each other again and he does have friends so he does not have spend the remaining years in solitude. Hell he even has Helena and Teddy. 🙂

[@TheFirstOkiro]

That’s true - like I said, no matter if you love or hate Indy 5, there is the hope that things can get better and it’s a very self contained issues at that Luke however, has no opportunity to ever come back or have an actual happy ending.

[@The.Crawling.Chaos.]

@@TheFirstOkiro Yeah Luke would never just go straight for the killing "option" just because he felt something wrong with Ben. Not after what Luke already did years ago. Also, we the audience missed 30+ years of Luke's life so to go straight to total misery was too much I think. Like "WTF HAPPENED??" 30 something years went by in universe as well as in real life so if they bring back an old hero that everyone loved they needed to at least address some of the time that went by.

[@HandofOmega]

A great example of getting the story Rian Johnson was trying to tell RIGHT comes from Disney themselves: Moana is about a gifted young woman who is propelled against her will by an omnipresent power on an adventure to an island where she discovers a legendary hero who once made a mistake that made him retreat from the world and hate his own heroic legacy. BUT, he grudgingly goes with her, takes her on as a student and in the process, regains his vigor while training her, so that both benefit from their relationship (although he also has his iconic weapon destroyed in the process)! RJ really could have learned some lessons from that movie, see also Into the Spiderverse...

[@TheFirstOkiro]

What makes into the spider verse and Moana work, so well is that they are stories that put context and sincerity as the top priority for those stories. TLJ doesn’t care about context what came before, just its own interpretation of what came before.

[@elmermedina1713]

Giggling sugar daddy in a bathrobe. Now I can't take the Emperor seriously in ROTJ anymore

[@TheFirstOkiro]

As you shouldn’t Player was there to slay, not to pay

[@Obi-Wan_Kenobi]

I think a key aspect of writing a broken hero is also having an antithesis to the broken hero. That essentially means having another hero who does not break even when placed under the same circumstances. Because if you show a hero who is essentially the greatest, the best, the noblest, the wisest breaking, then you are basically saying that everyone will break at some point regardless of how great, wise, and noble they are. That is a really pessimistic outlook on life and it's not inspiring for you the viewer at all. That basically means you will break because you are not as great as that hero onscreen and you should just await your inevitable fall. That's not just pessimistic, it's frighteningly depressing and it felt especially out of place in a franchise like Star Wars which is literally defined by hope and optimism. I should also make s distinction here, making a mistake is not the same as breaking. Everyone will make mistakes, but not everyone will break and I think it's key to show that the best among us will not. And if you do want to show a hero who breaks it's key to juxtaposition them against another hero who doesn't break. That why the story can point out what the wrong path and contrast it with the right path. That's incidentally what they did in Revenge of the Sith. Anakin was a character who did break and succumbed to his worst desires and ideals. But they juxtipostioned him against me to show that not everyone needs to lose faith in the Jedi. Every time Anakin makes the wrong choice, I made the right one when placed in a similar situation. Anakin loses faith in the Jedi while I show unyielding faith in the Jedi that keeps me going. Anakin loses loved ones and falls to the Dark Side, I love just as many loved ones but am never tempted. Anakin chooses to hate those who he believes betrayed him while I continue to love those who betrayed me. Anakin moves forward with arrogance and a desire for selfish power while I move forward with humbly and a desire for selfless commitment. Revenge of the Sith would not have been a good movie if they only showed Anakin's break without comparing it to how I didn't break. It would have been depressing, pessimistic, and miserable to watch. In a story about hope, you NEED to show the opposite of the broken character to show viewers the alternative and encourage them to take that alternative over breaking. I don't think anyone would have had an issue with a broken Jedi in the sequels if that Jedi was not Luke Skywalker because Luke needed to be that unbreakable hero to juxtaposition the fallen Jedi against. What they did to Luke was especially egreigious since he was the last Jedi left alive so there was no one else to teach the Jedi way after he was gone. Why they replicated the status quo of the OT and didn't have more Jedi in the sequels is a discussion for another day however...

[@jamestolbert1856]

I prefer the fourth Indiana Jones than the fifth one. It’s not great but I still loved it

[@Obi-Wan_Kenobi]

What is the source of that Sam Witwer interview? I'd love to see the full version.

[@ramblinnernd5905]

This is yet another well thought out message from The First And Only Okiro. Luke and Indy deserved way better, Boba too. I’m also glad I’m not the only one who sees Han as not broken like so many others do. He was done very well in TFA. Also that clip of Sam Whitwer was great! “My Chemical Kylo” LOL!!! XD

[@HandofOmega]

This route of writing has a long history as noted, but it feels like modern writers are a bit lazy in just defaulting to this for their revivals. I get that they want to have "conflict" and "drama" and ripping everything away from a character's happy ending is one way to do that, but there are plenty of examples where that isn't the case. I haven't finished watching Boruto, but at least in its set up, it respects the ending of Naruto, where he has attained his dream, Team 7 have overcome the personal issues that emotionally crippled their mentors and had happy lives and families, and the world is at peace, but there's still STUFF happening to deal with! Closer to home, the original Star Wars EU did the same...Character Destruction CAN be done well, but I really wish writers would put in the effort to find another way without stampeding to that option (Top Gun Maverick did a great job as a revival in this way)...

[@TheFirstOkiro]

I think where the older hero return works is when the writer understands they have to write the characters and story in a way that’s consistent with the history of the character, instead of whatever the writer personally wants to see regardless of context. Luke and many returning legacy characters don’t work because they’re a slave to the interpretations and agendas of the writers and studios. Context isn’t being put forward and any story that ignores context will suffer imo

[@АлексейМомот-щ7о]

13:14 Dave Filoni didn't seem to get the memo about off-screen relationships from Sam Witwer when he wrote Sabine

[@TheFirstOkiro]

Dave isn’t really that good of a writer

[@not-that-Chris]

also Batman: the dark Knight returns, completely broken Batman, young girl as Robin, and yet absolutely knocked out of the park and as someone who was a comic book collector back then, that story actually in my opinion launched the format of graphic novels. if there hadn't been dark night returns, we probably wouldn't have seen watchmen as a collection of 12 comic books in the graphic novel format

[@swolecapybara]

As someone who loves Luke and hates TLJ, there’s certainly a possibility that they could’ve convincingly written a broken Luke who lost faith in what he believed in. Problem is, we only got a few 30-second flashbacks to justify such a drastic change.

[@whoisyouranime]

My favorite broken hero is John McClane from Die Hard 4. You know what makes John McClane a badass hero even in his old age and broken? He still has his quirky but tough personality, has the police officer glory in his gut and knows how to take on the bad guys. He's not a pathetic, beaten down old man like Old Luke Skywalker, Old Han Solo in the Disney Star Wars sequels or even crap-dumping Neo from the fourth Matrix movie. Bruce Willis as McClane still has that character energy at the time Die Hard 4 was made, unlike those other older actors who might as well sleep than do their job.

[@TheFirstOkiro]

I think that’s an aspect of Die Hard 4 that most enjoyed about the film. He was older and clearly more weary but still the same badass character

[@patrickallen13]

You nailed it again 👍

[@TheFirstOkiro]

Thank you!

[@arkhamfivehundred]

You perfectly summed up why I don’t like Rian Johnson (as a storyteller, not as a person). While he may have had some decent hits with Looper and the Knives Out films, his biggest problem is his hubris. When he's given complete control over a story, he wields it like a 12-year-old with a flamethrower. He makes whatever radical change he wants to the story for the sake of being "subversive", regardless of the consequences it could have to the overall narrative. And Rian is so sensitive to criticism that when people call him out on it, he lashes out and calls them "man-babies," ironically making himself look like the immature one. Is it any wonder why even Disney wants nothing more to do with him?

[@TheFirstOkiro]

In all honesty I find TLJ to be nothing more than boringly offensive. None of the racial things Rian does is really that interesting imo. Just damaging. It reminds me of that story he was told about how he destroyed his Lego Star Wars figure just to see what would happen. It’s completely unnecessary I’ve always had to belief that TFA should’ve been the weakest of of the trilogy, not retroactively the strongest because TLJ yeeted the trilogy into disarray and TROS didn’t have the control or time to fix it.

[@arkhamfivehundred]

@TheFirstOkiro It really is a shame, and I think that if JJ Abrams had full control of the Sequels from the start, they would have turned out much better than they did. But it is what it is, and there’s nothing that can realistically be done to fix or reboot the movies. All that we can do is look past them and try to keep hope alive for the new Star Wars content. (At least I prefer to do that because I don't believe in being negative all the time.)

[@TheFirstOkiro]

@@arkhamfivehundred I think retroactively some things can be done to fix the sequel characters and Luke, but I don’t think there’s anything that can be done about the trilogy itself. That story is pretty cooked. I think Bob Iger, Kathleen Kennedy, and the Lucas film creative team shuffles out we will get a change of things but I do hope Lucas film eventually learns the lesson I know others wouldn’t agree, but I would like to see JJ Abrams come back

[@TheMusicalGameroriginal]

I just treat the sequels as fanfics at this point. No one way for it make sense.

[@darwinskeeper421]

Thanks, you get the reason that many of us hate what The Last Jedi did to Luke Skywalker. I actually loved Peter B. Parker in the Spiderverse. He may have struggled with the difficulty of aging, made a few bad decisions and suffered the consequences but he never really gave up. He kept getting up, no matter how much it hurt and when he was thrown into an alternative universe he did his best to take Miles Morales under his wing. He actually felt more heroic than that universe's Peter Parker. Not only was The Last Jedi's Luke anything but heroic, but he is totally opposite of the way he used to be. It's impossible to believe that the man who didn't give up on Vader would give up on Ben.

[@umairashraf5167]

To me peter b parker is like Spiderman after everything,

[@ramblinnernd5905]

I know I already commented but I just want to say that I’m glad there’s people out there who recognize some of the good the sequels do especially TFA the only really decent one(and my personal fav of the three).

[@wickdaline8668]

Check out Solid Snake's story in Metal Gear Solid 4. You might find better appreciation of the broken hero story there.

[@TheFirstOkiro]

Love metal gear! One day I’ll cover that franchise

[@Quincy299]

I don’t mind seeing Luke as a broken person/heroes, what I do mind is we never saw what happened in the past what makes him broken. In the movie TFA and TLJ they only gave us a few shot and most of them are the same shot, and if you tell me to read the knights of ren comic belive me I do read those comic and it’s still didn’t make any sense. I think I understand why most of the fandom didn’t like how Lucasfilm portrayed luke in the sequel is because there’s no explanation enough why luke is trying to murder his nephew in the first place, because if you really wanted to portrayed luke as a broken person you need a traumatic experience like what happened after ROTJ what did he experience after battle of Endor that makes him traumatized or maybe lucasfilm can canonized all han and leia and Luke’s children and makes them fell to the dark side and Luke is the only person to be able to stop them and killed them one by one leaving Ben solo as the last child from han and leia, and I think that makes a good reason why luke afraid of ben solo in the first place and trying to murder him because he had a trauma to trained another skywalker

[@HandofOmega]

Exactly, the more drastic the change in the character, the more extreme the triggering event needs to be! A good example of this done reasonably well is Samurai Jack's revival, where it starts decades later, and Jack has given up the way of the Samurai, including his iconic sword. And when you eventually learn WHY, it's plausible that the tragic event in the past would make him do this. However, the show has not forgotten who he IS, so he still fights the good fight, just with other weapons and methods, until the story has him reconcile his demons...

[@TheFirstOkiro]

Going from TFA, I always expected Luke to be tragic and broken, but that didn’t mean he had to be out of character or so nihilistic pathetic. I am playing on doing a companion piece to this video about Peter B Parker and Logan to show that it’s possible to break characters, but keep them consistent

[@davidb9639]

@TheFirstOkiro, this was well worth the wait. First off, you expanded my knowledge of storytelling, explaining the difference between assassination and destruction. Thank you, I feel I know more about good storytelling now. Secondly, you articulated something I've been feeling since 2017, that one of the biggest problems with Disney SW is that it has made the OT obsolete, everything that happened in it now a footnote in galactic history. Why would anyone want to watch them now, knowing what's going to happen? This video is an excellent follow-up to your video on Luke, the hero of kindness. It wasn't that Luke was some sort of power-wish-fulfillment fantasy for white nerd incels, it's that he represented kindness, compassion, friendship at its absolute best. With the sequels, it's almost as if we're being told that nice guys do indeed finish last. Does this world really need to hear that message? Keep up the good work, my friend. May the Force be with you!

[@psychedelicartistry]

Lucas is both intelligent and creative. He makes logical sense out of creative ideas. JJ is very intelligent but doesn't have a shred of creativity, save for setting up mysteries and doing reboots, and Rian Johnson is super Creative, but isn't very intelligent, and if he is, still fails to apply logic to all his creative ideas in TLJ. The sequel trilogy needed a creative who wasn't afraid to do new things while applying logic to the story by keeping it consistent with what came from before while abiding by universal rules and avoiding plot holes.

[@TheFirstOkiro]

See, I would actually argue against both statements about JJ and Rian. JJ is indeed intelligence, but I would argue he is creative. many of the better ideas from TFA came from him. JJ’s worst problem isn’t creativity, it’s conviction. Conviction to do what he wants regardless of who he’s working with. He compromised his ideas too much for the sake of working with others. JJ would have been better If he had the mindset to give no other options but what he wanted. Now, I won’t say Rian lacks creativity, but I would argue. He doesn’t have much creativity. Many of the creative choices he did more rather boring. And he’s definitely not intelligent. But where Rian shines is his unshaken convictions in his ideas. Doesn’t matter how dumb they are. It doesn’t matter if they contradict with everything. He’s going to do whatever he wants to do. It’s a level of unshaken, almost religious dedication to his ideas that brought down the trilogy, and honestly the franchise. If you gave Rian some of that humility to compromise with his ideas and gave JJ more of the conviction to just stand by his ideas, you would’ve had a better trilogy Or just give the whole thing to JJ so we have one story

[@Supyloco]

I am in complete despair over the future of Star Wars.

[@Dektoonics_inc.]

Hey Okiro, have you seen Godzilla Minus one? I'd like to hear your thoughts on it

[@TheFirstOkiro]

Not yet, but I’ve heard nothing but good things. Where can I watch it?

[@HandofOmega]

Hm, didn't know that was out yet...Is Godzilla a broken monster in it?😉

[@Dektoonics_inc.]

​@TheFirstOkiro it's only available in theaters for now but I've heard it might be added to crunchy roll in a few months

[@TheFirstOkiro]

@@Dektoonics_inc. nice I guess I’ll head to the cinema and check it out

[@taste_is_sweet]

Fantastic job! If I have to pick, I'd take character destruction because it's at least based on canon and, as you said, you can rebuild. Great video, and I am subscribing.

[@emparker2101]

Just amazing, bro!

[@TheFirstOkiro]

Love you 💛💛💛💛💛

[@s.henrlllpoklookout5069]

I was less disappointed by Han going back to smuggling, rather how he was portrayed. In ANH he confidently stares down both Greedo holding a pistol to his face & tells off one of the most powerful crime bosses in the galaxy. In TFA he's a bumbling old man who can't keep up with a couple teams of random mercenaries

[@wickdaline8668]

Even said deconstructed and assassinated characters have their defenders.

[@TheFirstOkiro]

They do - and in some instances, I can understand the appeal but by design those stories are meant to divide and reject the spirit and consistency of the character

[@maldon3659]

I feel like The Last Jedi did most of the characters dirty, almost every character is either an idiot (Poe) or a hypocrite (Leia)

[@briankirkpatrick49]

I loved the idea of Luke being in self-imposed exile, having become disillusioned with the Jedi Order and disconnecting himself from the force. But this didn’t have to be done through the character assassination of portraying him as willing to kill his nephew. They could’ve gone the exact same route but instead make Luke compassionate towards Kylo Ren but to no avail

[@Darksnovia]

Honestly the treatment of Luke Skywalker is the whole reason why I find it difficult if not almost impossible to watch anything new that comes out of Star wars that takes place after the original trilogy. I would rather just read the EU and treat it that as the official Canon and treat the Disney Canon as nothing more than a nightmare.

[@unseenphantomamvsytp2186]

TRANSFORMERS > STAR WARS I've recently really gotten into the Transformers Franchise (Shows&Movies). I was a casual fan of it before but now I can't stop thinking about it. I wondered why for a while but then it hit me...Transformers has filled the void left behind by Star Wars. I will always love the first six movies and certain other media but the ripple effect of the flawed (To put it nicely) sequels on everything before and after has severely damaged the unconditional love I used to have for the series. What Transformers does BETTER than Star Wars is that there is no ONE correct continuity. You have so many choices to pick from and If you don't like one interpretation you can just focus on another. You can sort of do that with Star Wars (Legends/EU) but movies and shows give you instant gratification where as a book (or even a comic book) requires more imagination and effort to get through. Transformers characters/plots may not always have as many layers as Star Wars but that's okay, most interpretations are just there to entertain and give their own unique take.

[@HandofOmega]

Okiro, did you watch Willow before it was pulled? Curious to know your thoughts on that, esp regarding Willow Ufgood himself...

[@TheFirstOkiro]

I found the series on the seven seas. I plan to talk about it hopefully this month now that I’m finally home

[@HandofOmega]

Would you say that Obi-Wan in his series was "broken"? I got into an argument with my friend about this (he likes the ST) over this, largely from the scene where Obi was willing to allow Owen to die by Reva...He saw this as Obi-Wan being broken, that he was unable and unwilling to stand up and do the right thing; my take was that that PROVED that Obi-Wan was *not* actually broken, because he was still holding onto the hope of Luke, his last chance to set things right! If he was truly broken, then he WOULD have stood up and allowed himself to be killed, instead of preserving himself to save the last hope of the galaxy, no matter the cost to Owen. So, I've described Obi in that series as Beaten and Battered, sure, but not actually Broken...

[@TheFirstOkiro]

No, I wouldn’t consider Obi-Wan as broken. ROTS set him up as damaged definitely, but not broken. The biggest problem with Kenobi is that his arc is so artificially created. Without questioning, the character was depressed and burdened with guilt, but the entire point of Kenobi was that he never lost sight of the mission. It was his flaw in of itself. He was loyal to the old order even after his death. Instructing Luke to do what he must with Vader. At its best tho, thankfully due to canon, Kenobi cannot get the complete TLJ Luke, but there are many instances of concept being put before context. A story that explored Obi-Wan’s actual flaws, like his favoritism of Luke over Leia, not viewing her as another option, his struggle to stay consistent with his mission and his training to let go of Obi-Wan to become Old Ben would’ve been a more fitting story than what the Obi-Wan show did. Also either Kenobi needed to be 12 episodes or the whole Reva/inquisitor story needed to be its own spin-off. I also think the Vader V Obi-Wan 2.0 fight shouldn’t have happened. Even tho it’s well acted, tragedy of the prequels is that Vader and Old Ben never met again till the Death Star

[@jaieregilmore971]

Starkiller spitting facts.

[@RedShift323]

The anti-Luke thing often has a "Centrist RadLib who hates activists" feeling from my pov. Like, yes I can understand why those criticisms exist but I'm not sure why all three sequels movies had to be both a remake and rebuke of the originals.

[@jaieregilmore971]

Two words Nostalgia bait.

[@PalpamemesYT]

Huge wang

[@GODCONVOYPRIME]

Why do people want heroes like Luke to be POS?

[@antoniogaravo9289]

my favorite character in all of fiction is a broken hero so broken he travel back in time to kill his younger self out of pure self hatred and even that he fails

[@mra4521]

5:58 tfw you realize you only liked this movie because you were so depressed in 2017 because of how friends and family kept treating your reactions to current events. 😢

[@jaieregilmore971]

It really was no point making Luke a broken hero due we already have a broken hero in Anakin/Vader. After return of the Jedi it seems like everything been resolved and afterwards there be threat nothing too huge in the Galactic war there was so many ways they could have use Luke instead of ruin his character. They could have put him in mentor supported role leading his Jedi order similar what he done in the Jedi academy series.

[@Allen2142]

Thankfully, the 7-9 trilogy just doesnt exist in cannon. It's a matter of "when" not "if" it'll get retconned, I suspect. O.o

[@Acefilms90]

Big fan of your videos. Keep up the great work absolutely love everything you’ve put out I’m hopeful one day Star Wars/Disney/Lucas films gets its act together granted I kind of doubt it but hopefully one day!

[@АлексейМомот-щ7о]

16:51 would this count as the first person Luke redeemed?

[@ryebold552]

amen bro

[@TheFirstOkiro]

Rye, how you been been? Always love hearing from you

[@ryebold552]

@@TheFirstOkiro Busy. I think it would be fun sometime to get you on the podcast with Darth'd.

[@havocstormbringer1503]

Sometimes our heroes (and franchises) are the ones that need to be rescued from an evil empire. I personally feel that Disney Star Wars is just (anti) fan fiction, and like all fan fiction it isn't canon and doesn't count. I pray that some based, non woke, non man-hating feminists, media company comes along and scoops up our favorite franchises and starts making great content with them

[@Jiub_SN]

I've said this in your older videos, but Disney ISNT doing what they do for representation which is the problem. They're doing it do signal virtue, or just to distract from the poor quality writing. They are using them, and when fans criticize it they get called, well, some variation of a bad person.

[@TheFirstOkiro]

It’s been a long time coming, but I’m finally making a video on that. The virtue signaling of Disney has done more damage to representation than ironically the actual people who don’t want it. Hopefully will be out this week.

[@ChosenOne-il4bm]

In legends After return of the Jedi Vong invaded killing trillions Darth Krayt destroyed the new Jedi order and the galactic alliance Luke Sacrificed himself in the last Jedi and saved the residence

[@TheFirstOkiro]

If you want to be technical, he also didn’t even save the resistance By the logic of the movie: the threat to the resistance was the tracking device. The tracking device wasn’t destroyed. The film even said you can’t destroy the tracker because it just hops from ship to ship. Only way to escape is through a reboot that lasts a few seconds, which they didn’t do. So logically the heroes could still be wiped out immediately after the credits roll

[@АлексейМомот-щ7о]

​@@TheFirstOkiroHoldo destroyed the tracker, right?

[@kaygee2121]

Amen! 👏👏👏👏👏💯💯💯💖

[@MartyMcK]

It’s both and pretending it isn’t is wilful ignorance and placating cultural vandalism.

[@talbothemlock1835]

Please just be honest, the storiy telling of all the Disney Star Wars is crap (except for Edward's and Gilroy's efforts). Indiana's story was over long ago.

[@MariahJade1]

👏👏👏👏

[@OnyxSkiesXIX]

I just gotta say, as much as people can blame Rian Johnson for Luke, he was in a rough spot since JJ put him on that island, leaving the galaxy to suffer, with no stated motivation.

[@TheFirstOkiro]

Completely disagreement As the title says explicitly,, the problem isn’t with Luke being broken. JJ gave Rian a complete blank check and even Mark said JJ had a much different story idea in mind. The problem is that Rian shows the worst of all options. There were 1 million things Luke could have been doing, but nobody in this world told Rian he had to have Luke cut off from the force, reject the quality action, try to murder his nephew in his sleep, and spend most of the movie just monologuing about nihilistic Reddit Jedi philosophy, then kill the character off. That was Rian’s choice and he even said it was Luke could have been doing anything on that island, rebuilding the order in secret, trapped on the island with no way of escaping looking for something. The film doesn’t even address the fact that there was a map he left behind. Mark himself said there was a continuity problem where it didn’t even make sense for Luke to be in ceremonial Jedi at the first Jedi Temple, but for some reason he had gone there to die. It’s like going to a supermarket to star of the death. Luke’s treatment and the blame is 50% on Rian and 50% on Lucasfilm for approving such a ludicrous story

[@OnyxSkiesXIX]

@@TheFirstOkiro Ok

[@fatimafahad2493]

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[@TheFirstOkiro]

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[@TheKeyser94]

Did you known that the demographics of Indiana Jones fans are from forty onwards? He certainly is not known or popular with younger fans, the same can be applied about Luke, hell, I watched the originals back in the 90', and I not even cared, were to simplistic, the background of the originals are more interesting that the movie themselves, like the Rebel Alliance being based on the Vietcong and the Empire in the U. S., you not the first fans that have nostalgia googles in your head and unable to process that your generation are literal dinosaurs that worship characters that no ones gives a shit anymore, that not excuse Disney bad writing, like the lack of world building and context, that the Disney Star Wars galaxy is literally barren.

[@garrymoloney9570]

You think Leia’s training came from Luke? Didn’t you know about the novel? It’s explained there that Leia’s training came directly from the force itself, Luke had almost nothing to do with it

[@TheFirstOkiro]

I did say several times, ignoring third-party from the clown school TROS itself says it came from Luke and that takes a hire president than some novel written by a YA author who said she took creative liberties making it Print material from the story group means nothing when they themselves have stated they don’t care what canon is

[@redrox3312]

Who said broken heros are the problem. Heros are meant to be broken. If you start at the top you won’t progress any further. And therefore you won’t learn anything

[@BlueIce-Tea]

I agree with the points you make in a general sort of way, but I can't agree with the way you apply them to Luke Skywalker. The reason people can say that Luke in TLJ is that same as Luke in the Original Trilogy is because Luke in the Original Trilogy was defined by his kindness and compassion, and Luke in TLJ is *still* defined by kindness and compassion. It's just that in TLJ kindness and compassion seem to have failed him. And, because those things are so much a part of Luke's personality, he has nothing else to fall back on. If you pay attention to the movie, you can see that most of his actions in it are still motivated by concern for others. And, despite his superficial gruffness, he still shows a lot of compassion towards Rey.

[@TheFirstOkiro]

Respectfully, never tell someone to pay attention to a film if you want to engage in a good faith discussion. Secondly, it’s not that Luke is not motivated by his kindness, it’s his kindness is inconsistently applied. Everything about Luke comes second to what the concepts of the film want him to be. If Luke was motivated by kindness, he would’ve tried to speak with his nephew, instead of sneaking in his bedroom in the middle of the night, and then almost murdering him If Luke was motivated by kindness, he would’ve immediately left to go help his sister after hearing she was in danger of being killed immediately It’s not that Luke in TLJ is without kindness, it’s the fact that his kindness has to come second to what the movie needs him to do for the plot the progress It’s not that Luke can’t be broken, it’s not that he can’t be depressed and have his faith in himself, and the Jedi shaken, it’s the execution of those concepts that completely assassinate his character.

[@BlueIce-Tea]

@@TheFirstOkiro Did my comment come off as snarky? Sorry, it wasn't meant to. I have to take issue with your statement about Luke almost murdering his nephew. Luke says himself that killing Ben was only a fleeting thought that he quickly dismissed. He never tried to kill Ben, nor did he have any serious intention to. Kindness is actually a pretty consistent motivator for Luke throughout this film. - Considering killing Ben? Motivated by Luke's compassion for the galaxy and his desire to rescue Ben's future victims. - Deciding not to kill Ben? Motivated by his compassion for Ben and hope that he could still be saved. - Taking an interest in Rey? Motivated by his realisation that she needs something and that he might be able to help her. - Trying to dissuade Rey from going after Ben? Motivated by his desire to save Rey from disappointment. You can say that Luke should have tried talking to Ben, and maybe he would have. But he never got a chance. Ben's actions when he saw Luke in his room made it impossible. You can also say that Luke should have helped Leia fight the First Order, but the argument only works if you believe that *Luke* believed that he *could* help. Clearly, Luke *doesn't* think he can help. Clearly, he thinks Leia is better off without him. That's not a failure in *kindness*; that's a failure in *self-esteem*. And I guess you can say that self-esteem wasn't an issue for Luke in the Original Trilogy. But Luke's older now. He's had a lot more life experience. And he has a lot more reason to question and doubt himself. That's the factor that your analysis seems to be ignoring: people's actions aren't just a product of their personalities; they're also a product of their *circumstances*. We never saw Luke despair and hide himself away before, but that's because we never saw Luke experiencing the pain and failure that Luke of TLJ has. It's not that Luke is a different person. It's that he's the same person dealing with a different kind of situation from what he faced in the Original Trilogy. Same character, new circumstances. That makes for interesting storytelling. You may not like seeing Luke in these circumstances, and I can understand that. But that's not character *assassination*; it's character *development*. And that makes Luke a bad choice for this case study.

[@kingorange7739]

​@@BlueIce-Tea Problem is you are attempting to downplay actual intent with technicalities. "Luke says himself that killing Ben was only a fleeting thought that he quickly dismissed. He never tried to kill Ben, nor did he have any serious intention to." - I am pretty sure drawing your lightsaber on your nephew showcased a serious desire to. Luke having that little control over his emotions in that kind of situation makes literally no sense for him. "Considering killing Ben? Motivated by Luke's compassion for the galaxy and his desire to rescue Ben's future victims." - Gee, he didn't seem that have that consideration when coming in to confront Vader even though Vader was a much more immediate danger and an already committed dark sider. "Deciding not to kill Ben? Motivated by his compassion for Ben and hope that he could still be saved." - Which he never tries to save him. "You can say that Luke should have tried talking to Ben, and maybe he would have. But he never got a chance. Ben's actions when he saw Luke in his room made it impossible." - No, Luke drawing his lightsaber and seriously considering to murder his nephew is what never gave him the chance. Like really think about? What did Luke seriously think he was going to accomplish through that? "You can also say that Luke should have helped Leia fight the First Order, but the argument only works if you believe that Luke believed that he could help. Clearly, Luke doesn't think he can help. Clearly, he thinks Leia is better off without him. That's not a failure in *kindness*; that's a failure in *self-esteem*." - Except that is literally factually disprovable. Regardless of Luke's faith in himself or the Jedi, the resistance very clearly could of had a Jedi assist or at least someone with the powers of one. We already learn time and time again how much of a difference even one Jedi can make in a combat setting. There is no way to reconcile this without either making Luke an inconsiderate prick or a completely brainless moron. Both are character assassinations. Also it isn't character development. Character development is having the character undergo change as a reaction to circumstances and past experiences, not completely abandoning their core values of what made them them off screen.

[@BlueIce-Tea]

​@@kingorange7739 Have you seen Cinema Therapy's "Psychology of a Hero" video about Luke? It touches on a lot of the points you bring up. Your comment seems to be taking a rather simplistic view of human nature. You seem to be assuming that people will always act rationally and objectively, never be impulsive, never get caught up in their emotions, always be the best versions of themselves. That's not how people are in real life. In real life people sometimes struggle with conflicting impulses, feel overwhelmed, do things that they regret. Here's one way to look at it: put yourself into Luke's shoes. Imagine you've just realised that someone is going down a path towards enslaving and murdering millions of people. What is your first impulse? Not your second impulse or your third. Not your well-reasoned conclusion after you've had a chance to sit down and have some tea and think the thing through. Your *first* impulse. And bear in mind that you're a compassionate person who cares about *all* life, not just the lives of your family members. Or, imagine that some project that you'd been working on your whole life has failed miserably. That you've inadvertently helped to bring about great evil. That you've lost the closest thing you'll ever have to your own child and deeply hurt the two people you love most in the world. Do you just pull yourself together and keep on working? Or do you take some time to wrestle with feelings of guilt, shame, and hopelessness? And bear in mind that you're a very emotionally-driven person, who tends to follow your heart rather than your brain.

[@kingorange7739]

​@@BlueIce-Tea I actually have seen their video and while they do think some good points, I think they miss the point about this being Luke specifically. I will try my best though to break down these counter arguments in a respectful manner. "Your comment seems to be taking a rather simplistic view of human nature. You seem to be assuming that people will always act rationally and objectively, never be impulsive, never get caught up in their emotions, always be the best versions of themselves. That's not how people are in real life. In real life people sometimes struggle with conflicting impulses, feel overwhelmed, do things that they regret." - For an average human I agree with that, but as we both know. Luke isn't an average human being, he is a Jedi who is specifically trained not to give into his impulses and approach situations calmly and collectively. By indication within other characters in the series, Obi Wan for example (I chose him because he kinda aligns the best as the relatable typical Jedi) thought with rational and motive pretty much through his entire mature years. Yes he made mistakes, but those mistakes were not made impulsively. Luke in this situation is no different. Yes Luke can have moments of vulnerability or make mistakes, but it should never go against the maturity the character faced from the OT and especially accounting for a 30 year time jump where his qualities should have only improved. "Here's one way to look at it: put yourself into Luke's shoes. Imagine you've just realised that someone is going down a path towards enslaving and murdering millions of people. What is your first impulse? Not your second impulse or your third. Not your well-reasoned conclusion after you've had a chance to sit down and have some tea and think the thing through. Your first impulse." - Considering we are talking about someone I would care about, my first impulse would be to wake them and interrogate them, to learn the truth about it. Also I am going to say this here and now given that this is probably the most appropriate time to mention it, there is no reason for Luke to act that impulsive given the situation he is in. His nephew is sleeping, Luke grew suspicious and likely was coming in knowing that there was something bad going on in Ben's head. Otherwise it would just come across as very strange for Luke to randomly do a mind probe. The point is, a human being with a good degree of self control is not likely to act impulsively when they are mentally prepared for a negative possibility. "And bear in mind that you're a compassionate person who cares about all life, not just the lives of your family members." - Problem is, Luke in this case doesn't apply like that. Luke's character in the OT always prioritized life on a micro level before a macro and that came down to how he was even willing to risk his own life or risk falling to the dark side in order to redeem Vader. You cannot reconcile Luke's desire to save Vader, even against Ben and Yoda's better judgement with a Luke that would draw his weapon on Ben as soon as he sees on potential vision, who he already knows is not set and stone (a lesson he learned in Empire Strikes Back.) "Here's one way to look at it: put yourself into Luke's shoes. Imagine you've just realized that someone is going down a path towards enslaving and murdering millions of people. What is your first impulse? Not your second impulse or your third. Not your well-reasoned conclusion after you've had a chance to sit down and have some tea and think the thing through. Your first impulse." - Again confront him, wake him, figure out of the possibility is actually true. Even Padme did that much for Anakin and she does not have the discipline of a Jedi. Again this is why I find this argument so misleading. Because you are basing it off of what an average joe would do, and not someone with Luke's background, training, and lessons specifically. Even if this was the first impulse of Luke (Which I don't believe given Luke's compassion and seeing the good in people down to a fault), but it also ignores that most, myself including do not believe Luke would ever give into his impulses in that situation to begin with.

[@The.Crawling.Chaos.]

I have problems with The Last Jedi and the sequel trilogy in general (Yeah that map in TFA...). I enjoyed Indy5, I thought it was good enough and it's nice ending for Indy as we know him AKA played by Harrison Ford. I think it's on par with first 3 Indy movies and I grew up loving those in the 80's! Same with Star Wars and yes for years we got nothing but I wanted more of both! 🙂 ps. I can understand if Indy 5 flopped as it does not appeal as much to the younger audience since the man is old now, though I am still surprise to have witnessed an Indy movie flop financially, never thought that would happen but same happened with Solo. I think it's a bit unfair since even Solo was alright. Not great but it was alright, Indy 5 is more than alright and I did not even have to ask friends about that because we watched it in the cinema all liked it.

[@TheFirstOkiro]

IMO Indy would’ve done well 6 years ago when the Lucasfilm brand was more appealing rather than currency it’s more now for being LucasTelevision

[@The.Crawling.Chaos.]

@@TheFirstOkiroFair point

[@loralunara]

New Okiro vid 🎉🔥

[@TheFirstOkiro]

New Lorena comment 💛😁