SLOW JIGGING REELS FOR BIG FISH IN DEPTHS OF 50 - 100M

[@davidroderick1493]

I said it before, but I'll say it stronger this time - you are a godsend for slow pitch jigging info!

[@TheFishingKit]

Thanks David! :) Just here to help!!! :) I appreciate you!!!!

[@dafishinglab]

Very informative po Sir. Suporta po sa kapwa Angler.

[@TheFishingKit]

cheers!

[@MBahnassy]

Thanks for the video very informative. I have a question if you can help me i am buying my first slow pitch ocea jigger and my target is 50-100/120m light to medium sized fish 5-15 kg, what do you think of the 1500xg model it has a retrieval of 112 cm close to the 107 cm on the 2000 mg model

[@TheFishingKit]

For that depth and fish, the 1500 HG will work really well. Can use an xg as well but the HG will be better

[@MBahnassy]

@@TheFishingKit but i heared the new 2021 xg model has enhanced infinity drive and micromudule gear 2 to have more torque and cranking power to compensate for the speed, do you know if thats true and have you tried the xg?

[@TheFishingKit]

@@MBahnassy I have tried the XGs yes...and as I said, the HGs are better for the depth you are targeting and fish you are targeting. over 200m and the XG becomes better.

[@cryptosis8546]

What kind of rod to be use for the said reel please.

[@TheFishingKit]

slow jigging rods. I use deepliner and Hots rods

[@jbl2270]

I bought a shimano torium which I'm happy with as a beginner. Could you please advise me on a fairly light weight and good drag spinning reel for light offshore slow jigging? 5000 series Shimano or Daiwa?

[@TheFishingKit]

There is no such thing as a spinning combo for slow jigging. Fast jigging yes, but not slow jigging.

[@jbl2270]

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[@HBweisse]

Nice video. Just one thing: I believe that the 5% stretch is under a load that close to or equal to the line resistance, so during the jigging/pitching action it wouldn’t be that high

[@TheFishingKit]

jig weight plus resistance relative to depth and current....ever deep drop with mono? try it out and you will understand...when shallow water fishing, you dont feel it as much.

[@HBweisse]

@TheFishingKit i don't fish extremely deep indeed. But what I meant is that if the raw material has a 2% stretch (and I agree that braided line is higher sttetch because of the manufacturing process) then that value of stretch probably refers to the stretch at breaking load. It might be referring to another value of the load, but it'd be strange. If that's the case then probably 5% is a bit more than the actual stretch (no matter the depth, you're not close to the line breaking strength simply by pitching the lure otherwise the rod would instantly break). The stretch is not a constant of the material and depends on the load and length, that's just what I was trying to say. Anyway the whole point of the video is still very true, helpful and valid

[@TheFishingKit]

@@HBweisse 5% IS conservative..actually an average. the raw materials have 4% stretch, combined with the braiding its close to 7-8%. these are figures from the factory/brand I used to work for. So a 5% stretch in the depth range mentioned is actually very conservative. I did raise the same points you've raised, but it does not change the fact that the stretch is there. Feel it or not, it is there.

[@HBweisse]

@ agreed it’s definitely there. I think we feel braid like zero stretch because almost all of us were used to fishing with mono, which is extremely stretchy

[@joseph1374sewntotal]

I got big fish in shallow waters; can you use size 300 or 400 baitcaster with power handles? The reel I have been using has the drag system removed in a size 100

[@TheFishingKit]

probably wouldn't last.

[@firdaussaparudin3497]

Thanks again for the informative video

[@TheFishingKit]

:)

[@Dimitrios_Kapsalis]

Hello Kit and greetings from Greece. I am an avid follower of your informative videos. They really changed my way of fishing for the better. I especially like the way you use math to come to conclusions on fishing gear and setups. I've arrived to some of your conclusions on my own only to validate them later on your videos. Still I must point that I think that you're making an error on your assumptions on line stretch. Allow me to explain. It is true that braid line is not stretch free as advertised. I also concur that there is a 4 to 5% stretch. It is easy to observe this the hard way in shore jigging during those miserable times of a jig snug on rock or other structure, especially when the snug is at the first drop (far away from the rod). I myself have to pull the line 4 to 5 meters in order to cut the jig and I have to walk up the rocks some times in order to achive the stretch to cut. But this exact situation also demonstrates that this 4 to 7% stretch you state is achived only if the braid line is put to a tension near or at breaking point. In case of PE 3 braid for example it would require a tension force of around 20kgs or 45 lbs in order to achieve the 4-7% stretch. In no way, this kind of force is applied by, say, a 200g jig's inertia at 100m of depth or 200m or 1000m. If these 4.5m of stretch you state where to happen there would be no jigging at all since after the pull the jig would be able to come up 4.5 meters after say 4 cranks and then it would require another 4 cranks to start it again. The correct way to model the braid stretch is to think of the braid line as a very elongated and very hard spring that reaches its maximum length of just 105% at maximum tension. Still I think there is a stretch but it is only some cms. For a jig of 200g (1/100 the weight of max 20 tension for pe3) it would be at maybe 1/100th of that 4-7% (not accounting for water pressure etc). That would be 0,04% to 0,07% so 4 to 7cm which seems reasonable. This stretch may seem a loss of the retrieve but it is not actually. You gain it back after the crank since the spring/braid will shrink back during the rise of the jig after the crank only to be lost again on the next crank. So almost all of the first "empty" cranks after the initial drop of the jig are just current drag. Still the conclusion that a XG reel is needed remains valid. Hope my rationale was clear enough. Looking forward to your thoughts. Kind regards Dimitris Kapsalis

[@TheFishingKit]

Hi Dimitrios, very valid point. And this is something I thought about as well. This is why I always say stretch and slack. Not just stretch. This is what I found - the thinner the line, the more this stretch becomes apparent. at the same depth (say 150m), at the same weight jig, PE 1 and PE 3 - you feel the stretch of PE 1 more than you do with PE 3. the thicker the line you use, the less stretch becomes apparent, but the more slack it creates from drag of the line against the flow. We use jigs up to 500g or more, in deeper water with crazy currents, The deeper you go, the more the stretch becomes apparent. IF you are fishing shallow, then yes, the stretch and slack is not apparent. You feel things start to change at around 250m. on PE 2, at around 500m for PE 3.

[@Dimitrios_Kapsalis]

@@TheFishingKit I say no more because experience speaks more than theory. You see I have never done any kind of vertical jigging, only shore jigging and micro shore. Still I study everything I can on slow jigging since I find that it is the epitomy of jigging whereas all the mechanics of slow can be expanded to all other forms. I try to conseptualize a unified theory of all jigging and I find that you actually do too since you always present jigging techniques as a continuum rather that seperate entities. Me and some friends decided to buy some belly boats and try fishing across the greek coasts with any kind of lure and bait fishing. My target though is to go straight to 40 to 50m depths (quite achievable with the belly boats here) and slow jig my way to oblivion. We are lucky to have quite the snappers and groupers hidden at these low depths that trolling boats can't target. I have managed to target a few with shore jigging that is also my favorite at the time. I have actually introduced a new kind of shore jigging where I swim with fins and wetsuit to rock islands near the coast with reels that I make waterproof myself with sea engine grease. It' s kind of a combination of squba and shore jigging. I can tell you more if you're into this. I also make my own jigs in order to skim on the cost of loosing metal to the reefs. I plan to buy a slow jigging set for fishing for fishing at depths from 30 to 100m. They need to be on the budget side of the market although I can't abide with an asian rod because I find the japanese style of extra parabolic rods quite ....sexy. Any suggestions are welcome of course.

[@TheFishingKit]

@@Dimitrios_Kapsalis That is certainly a very interesting way to fish. I have had my time with float tubes, using fly rods and ultralight light rods before, but never for jigging. before I could try, I started with Kayaks and I still have those around. you can't beat the portability of a float tube though...and there is something in it...I think what best describes it for me would be like going hand to hand combat with the fish. not like on a kayak or a boat, with a float tube, you are IN THE WATER, I'm sure you know what I mean. honestly, at this point in time, you have options from Major Craft and I guess that's about it for the lower end of the market. Ecooda is an ok brand as well, and they have a range of slow jigging rods that seem decent, although I have not used them. a 6'3-6'6 rod would be nice, but something shorter would probably be better to help control things and keep you from tipping. Don't skimp on the reel - ideally for both rod and reel, but end of the day, if you break your rod, you can still reel in the fish...if your reel breaks...then, good luck handlining braid....at least that's how I see things. So if you ask me, stay within the Shimano/Daiwa Sphere. I need more info on depth and size of fish to help you out with the whole system, so if you want, hit me up on Instagram (same username) and we can chat there.

[@kadekkelvin8692]

For bottom fishing depths range around 150-200 meters and use 400 grams sinker, would you prefer a PG or XG reel? Thanks.

[@TheFishingKit]

Bottom fishing is not the same as jigging.

[@kadekkelvin8692]

@@TheFishingKit Yes i know about that. That’s why im asking about bottom fishing preferences to you recommend to use PG or XG reel, because you said in this video if we fish more than 50-100 meters we should use HG reel could be better.

[@TheFishingKit]

@@kadekkelvin8692 HG would be good for that use. PG would be easier cranking, but would take forever.

[@gerardleung524]

Hi Kit, as always, very good infos. Crazy question about hooks! Can you tie assist hooks with offset hooks?

[@TheFishingKit]

I've tried them a lot before - the problem with offset hooks is that they snag the jig more than you want. they can work relatively ok as singles though.

[@mh4phantom]

This video is extremely helpful man thank you 🙏

[@TheFishingKit]

:)

[@arnulfoperez5523]

Can you get away with a ocea Calcutta 300 pg in that 50-100? Or pump up to the jigger

[@TheFishingKit]

You would probably break the level wind.

[@MRO-Management]

No bait caster??, LEXA and REVO beast for shallow water is my go-to reels.

[@TheFishingKit]

You can use them, but...level winds are just another thing to worry about. I have used them in the past and broke a few reels, so I would rather use a reel without a levelwind for this type of fishing, lighter lines though...different story.

[@sedali5882]

Thanks for the very educational video I just started fishing off sure. Here in east Texas we fish around 70-100ft max which is not a lot by any means. I’m trying to find the best bang for my buck. Most of the time we have 8-10k snappers or 10-12 amber jack. Never jigged for king but those come around too. I can see some good deals on 1500HG but based on your video I should get 1500-2000PG. What you think?

[@TheFishingKit]

sounds pretty standard. If you get a PG, and at that depth, you can do two types of jigging as well - you can get a slow jigging rod and a fast jigging rod and the reel will work for both techniques. BUT...get PROPER RODS AND REELS. that way, you dont spend double.

[@aldfishing]

@@TheFishingKitat that depth could you pls mention for the right reels and rod that can slow and fast jigging?

[@TheFishingKit]

@@aldfishing That depends on where you fish, but to match the reels and lines used as discussed on the video, then follow the 1g/m rule...so it would be rods that can do 50-100g jigs. the reels are discussed in the video and examples given.

[@milesstepanoski2410]

Hello from Australia, do catch mulloway(yewfish) I know Africa has them, threadfin salmon? And maybe not barramundi, would be great to film some episodes if you could come down-under targeting them and the king george whiting that grows 130cm, it was $100aud a kilo last year. I subscribed about almost a year ago from the first episode I seen and have helped me to make my own assist hooks I didn't know anything about and have the right mindset to be successful, Thank You Very Much for opening my mind to be like a sponge absorbing many possibilities to enjoy and to look forward too.

[@TheFishingKit]

Hi Miles! Great to hear that! I've fished for Barramundi and threadfin before, hey are also present in the Philippines. But I would most definitely love to fish Australia. I will give you a heads up if I am headed that way...who knows. :)

[@ngdaniel1133]

I just bought my studio ocean mark 2t L50 pw with pe3

[@TheFishingKit]

Nice reel. Congrats!

[@Dharyl-Allorde]

Just bought a 16HGLH Torium OH reel. Hope it can catch up for depths of 100m - 160m 😟

[@TheFishingKit]

Yes of course, before MG and XG were introduced, we used HG. I would pick HG for that depth range too, I haven't bought an MG or an XG to be honest, coz the depths I fish in are mostly right for HG.

[@Dharyl-Allorde]

@@TheFishingKit to be honest it's my first time this coming sunday for offshore jigging. I will be using a PE 2.5 mainline but i'm not sure if 70 LB of leaderline will do? And i will be using an "Ecooda Online E" slow jigging baitcast rod with a max of 15kg drag and a jig of 200g and one 250g jig. What do you think Sir?

[@TheFishingKit]

70 is too much. I mostly use 40. PE 2.5 is a bit thick as well, as I mostly use PE2. 200-250g jigs are ok on PE 2 even when there is a bit of current, but you will have problems with PE 2.5 if the currents are stronger. You need more jigs, you can't just go out with two. Snags, fish taking the jig....etc. nothing wrong with your combo, but your line is a bit worrying. If the flow of the current isn't too strong you would be ok.

[@Dharyl-Allorde]

@@TheFishingKit other brands have difference in PE sizes/diameter. What should be the right LB for my Mainline Sir? Looking at my setup for slow jigging of torium 16HGLH, Ecooda Online E slowjigging rod jig capacity of 200g - 400g, 15kg max drag but i will be using 200g - 300g of jigs.

[@TheFishingKit]

@@Dharyl-Allorde PE is a measure of diameter, so PE 2, is PE 2. It's not like the american standard that says 30lb in one company then its not as thin as another brand then one breaks at 50lb and the other 70lb. Standard for slow jigging is PE 2. the thinner your line the better and more sensitive your overall system will be.

[@rainorshineangler3731]

Power

[@TheFishingKit]

Ranger! hahahaha