Stalling in the Sky and Crashing Just Before Landing | Dead Tired [Real Audio]

[@keithjohnson762]

We personally knew one of the flight attendants. Devastating for her husband and children. RIP Donna🙏🏻

[@xii-h-27-ryotirtakusuma15]

Lex Talionis the fuck

[@rust44]

Firstofficer Sptrq They’re a Nazi trying time be edgy smh

[@lextalionis8263]

Firstofficer Sptrq SPLAT! dead

[@lextalionis8263]

40 lashes to the dead!

[@Greninjia]

@@lextalionis8263 be gone bitch

[@loveblue2]

I remember this crash. I was always struck by how young the co-pilot was. I find it sickening when a plane turns, banks and rolls before it crashes. I always think "...those poor passengers must have been terrified." One minute you're looking forward to arriving at your destination, the next minute you're facing death. Life is so fragile. Thank you for going back to the text captions. Most of us here really prefer them. May the souls of the crew and passengers rest in peace.

[@2snowgirl520]

Janice P Ellis , she was a whiner. She sounded so bored on her transmissions. Bet she wasn’t at the end. Not the two sharpest knives in the drawer.

[@PabloGonzalez-hv3td]

A "young" airline pilot is the same age as your average military pilot. Training starts right after university.

[@clairebennett7831]

@@2snowgirl520 If both captain and FO are exhausted, there is no one to take over. I wonder if the extraneous chat was to stay awake? I had a friend who had a long commute to work and he had some medical problems. He would call me on the drive home in the dark to stay awake.

[@aehsrose]

@Tim Duggan You absolute IDIOT Tim Duggan!!!! She was so professional she aided the Captain to kill 47 innocent people!!! Bet you wouldn't think she was such a professional if one of your loved ones was on board. YOU JOCK STRAP!!!!

[@TheDetroitSlayer]

@@aehsrose The Captain was Pilot in command "PIC" and held all authority over the aircraft. The FO was monitoring and other than being a sick chat box, performed as she should've. It was the Captians job to fly the airplane and he failed. We as pilots are trained in how to react to these types of issues. He ordered throttles full, which is right, but then pulled on the stick, increasing the AOA and stalling the wing. Every pilot is taught to push that nose down in this situation. His reaction is the driving factor, not the distraction of the copilots.

[@451dskots88]

I lost a friend on that flight... Brian Kuklewicz. He had a wife and twin 9 year old boys at home and lived in Buffalo.

[@alirehman5310]

Sorry for your loss bro , may he rest in peace 🙏🏻

[@rabbit251]

I had a friend who died in a similar flight years earlier due to ice on the wings. He was returning from Chicago or going back home to Chicago, I can't remember because this was in 1994. We were in law school and he was on the law review and really smart, but a really nice guy. He had just had an interview with a major law firm in Chicago and they had hired him. But his plane crashed because of ice on the wings. I always wonder where he would be today if he had not died on that flight. (He was also Hispanic and we all were betting he would have been made a Federal judge because of his intelligence and character.) Sad. I still miss him and think of him when I watch these videos.

[@smileyriley7514]

I’m sorry for your loss that’s so sad

[@451dskots88]

@@rabbit251 yeah... Brian was the same way. Such a good person. So sorry you had to go thru something like this.

[@Nonamelol.]

Dee Ess that’s sad bro... rest in peace

[@kevinkevin624]

I'm from the Buffalo area and will never forget this crash. I worked at the Buffalo airport for a major carrier. This crash absolutely infuriates me. It's almost inexplicable. While I agree that the airline bears some responsibility for the pressure put on these pilots, the simple fact remains that they were both terrible pilots. Not terrible people. Terrible pilots. It's as if the basic skill of flying eluded them. It was a massive display of inconceivable ineptitude on their part. I feel so much for the victims, but it was almost fate that those two working together were the sole reason this accident occurred. Very sad. Angers me a lot. A first year competent rookie pilot I believe would have not have committed the errors these two did. Unreal and unfortunate. The airline should never had kept these pilots. He failed numerous checks and she had an inability to understand basic concepts of flying. I boil over at this case. I've just never seen anything like this. These pilots forgot the basics of flight...its as simple as that.

[@flushthecatnip]

Like Saudia flight 163... three terrible pilots all together on the same flight was a recipe for disaster.

[@gregdetwiler9220]

It was a senseless accident. It’s hard to imagine that the captain couldn’t just relax, take a breath and fly the aircraft out of danger. They had plenty of altitude to recover, the captain just kinda froze up and got tunnel vision. Flying for the airlines isn’t a sleep friendly job. I’m glad I’m not doing it anymore!!

[@paullacroix3585]

@@flushthecatnip o

[@luuduonghy659]

Also they broke the sterile cockpit production. They must not talk outside what happen during the flight.

[@kevinkevin624]

@Umb O I absolutely do not have any sympathy for the airline, they are just as coupable as those terrible pilots. Even moreso for allowing those clearly unqualified people behind the controls. She broke just as many rules as he did. And c'mon, self preservation dictates you correct errors the pilot makes. She's the 2nd in command!! It was her job. These are not complex maneuvers. Push the nose, correct the stall, you live another day. But yeah, I agree, she should be commended for allowing such terrible actions of the pilot to go unchecked. Your argument makes a ton of sense.

[@user-cw8ej4gd3v]

RIP to Cantor Susan Whele my teacher at the time who was always very positive and spiritual. This was 5 minutes away from my house and I still remember the massive black clouds from that day.

[@zubibuubi7359]

😭

[@TaurusMoon-hu3pd]

Shalom aleichem

[@gamkousa9632]

What a tragedy before landing when all hopes are for getting home. I can imagine the feelings of of the people at airport waiting to pick you up!!

[@craycraywolf6726]

I know right? I've been at the airport waiting for loved ones many a time. Thinking about the families with crashes is the worst.

[@allysuckblackisback7746]

They could have just stayed home covid style.

[@islanders1329fan]

gamkousa Yeah 😢😥😢😥😢😥😢😥😢😥😢

[@raklibra]

I hope airplanes of the future if a pilot fails a response to a stall the plane assumes full command and lands everyone safely; booting the pilot as procedure.

[@maxpenn6374]

@@raklibra Possibly well into the future. At present, I do not trust software that takes away the pilot's control and does not allow a manual override.

[@mpa1931]

Me: Has major fear of flying. Also me: Subscribed to this channel and watches these videos for hours.

[@jessicahanson2409]

Same Lololol

[@analogman9697]

That's funny. I love aviation but am severely claustrophobic. I actually had a panic attack aboard an MD-88 as it was filling up and I charged out like a crazed buffalo. The gate attendants took one look at me and wanted to call paramedics. I said 'no thanks'. It was an expensive experience.

[@grahamgman8706]

I am terriified but i cant stop watching plane videos.

[@TheDetroitSlayer]

@Dennis Wilson I believe you're spotting the struggles of recreating a specific condition with a video game.

[@scottfrench3354]

Lol I’m not alone I see. It’s like self torture. I had to fly from Phoenix to Miami. Then from Miami to Turks and Caicos. And then back. At least I had zanex and it worked like a charm.

[@jongaulthero]

Man, I love watching these, but it does zero for my anxiety.

[@FusionOnYT_]

TheMajR Payne Bruh same i had 2 flights on April 30th and i was doing nothing but watching these kinds of vids, made my anxiety fly through the roof especially with this Covid stuff happening. They were just non eventful flights other than a firm landing in Atlanta, doesnt take away from the fact that flying is the safest way of travel by far.

[@CherryFrog321]

@Taehyung Has my heart were you flying into San Francisco? I have a couple times and it's scary! It literally looks like you're going straight into the water until the second the plane hits the runway. 😬

[@GoodWillPrevail]

I never even thought of all the things that COULD go wrong on an airplane.

[@thefrase7884]

Take a xanax and watch then

[@jongaulthero]

@@thefrase7884 Actually, I prefer weed. More effective and doesn't support the criminal cartel at Big Pharma.

[@CraigArndt]

3407 crashed behind our home, it was surreal. Once I realized what happened, my wife called her brother who was a NYS Trooper who lived nearby and rushed over there and confirmed what we thought occurred. My neighbor and I ran over there but there wasn’t anything that we could have done. I remember that tail light being on, the flames and the popping sound of what I assumed to be O2 tanks or fuel. The plane crashed about 300 feet from the Clarence Center fire department and they were on the scene immediately, but it’s one of those things that are out of human control. I will never forget it or those lost in our community.

[@46bovine]

It could have been prevented, it was a simple procedure to recover from the imminent stall but the crew were brain dead before the accident and let the stall happen. Good grief!

[@MrSoccerball100]

Hey... go check above on General Incredible’s thread. This plane crashed in his cousin’s Clarence neighborhood while he was there that night. He also mentions seeing the lit tail light in his post. Maybe you know him. General Incredible above.

[@Raison_d-etre]

@@MrSoccerball100 Tell him to come here.

[@Raison_d-etre]

@@46bovine It wasn't just the fact that they were brain dead; they had discussed icing conditions, which primed them to suspect an icing problem. Tragic how the brain works sometimes.

[@MrSoccerball100]

@@Raison_d-etre I guess I could that. But General Incredible is right below my post on desktop.

[@cassiaj8171]

Ah man, it always sucks when the flight is at it’s destination and doesn’t make it. Great work on yet another video!

[@Bellaparrott]

Whoever Makes these videos is EXTREMELY talented! I've been really bored lately with life and your videos have been really INTERESTING and ENTERTAINING! They've also taught me how difficult and hard-working pilots are! So THANK YOU for spending your time creating these videos!

[@susanmcarthur2204]

Im not bored w life but lm a pilots daughter so these videos are very interesting.l am so impressed most of the time w the mechanics of flying and l have a couple of friends that were flight attendants.But l was too scared to fly.Dad wanted me to. I dont have a prob w flying once in a while as in from here to there once a year ...just never made it my job.U have no where to go but down....l know how u feel.These clips are very interesting and pilots have to be on top of their game for sure.

[@susanhamptonva4203]

Agree. I also don't want to fly anymore even those crashes are rare. I guess it's just this Flight Channel where they are all lined up.

[@ziglakra2594]

Terrain pull up

[@ThatAverageMTBer]

@@ziglakra2594 “too low flaps, to low gear”

[@Love2loveu00]

I can’t imagine that feeling as a passenger that something is wrong with the aircraft. It was the end. RIP to all that perished.

[@slvrbullet22]

thats exactly what i was thinking as it went down. you have 1 minute to come to terms with this is it..

[@AverageAlien]

Something was wrong with the pilots

[@AverageAlien]

@Mike S Coincidenxe so what

[@slvrbullet22]

@Mike S no frickin way?? how do you know this info? thats insane !

[@dyer2cycle]

...exactly why I don't want to fly commercial..I know all about the statistics and how safe it is, it's safer than driving, etc...but.. once you're aboard, you have ZERO control of your destiny until you are landed again...helpless...completely in the hands of the pilots and ATC's, who may or may not be competent, and the plane, which may or may not be safe....I think that is where I have the problem..coupled with the fact when you're flying, you are traveling at high speed,and gravity is waiting to bring you down the moment you lose power...I know I'd rather die trying to do something about my situation, not sitting there helpless just waiting in terror to die, knowing there's not jack squat you can do....if you're driving, you have some control, even if the outcome isn't good..plus, you only have gravity working against you in one direction(moving forward), not both forward, and pulling you down too...and generally the speeds are much lower...same is true with riding a bus or riding a train, you just aren't at the controls of those...and a ship, well, if it is sinking, at least you can swim, get in a lifeboat, put on a life preserver, grab some kind of debris to float on, or at least do something to give you a chance of survival..nope, statistics don't mean much to me....

[@camilla5963]

Imagine just being at home chilling and suddenly a whole plane crashes onto your house

[@lungzish]

Worst thing to happen

[@packagedbeans608]

i one hundred percent read 'whore plane'

[@clairebennett7831]

No wonder people don't want to live near airports. It's not just the noise.

[@EL15E]

Or get killed by the engine blades

[@kyliepechler]

That is extreme bad luck. Of all the houses around yours leading up to the airport, it had to fall on that one. So sad.

[@dadjiang4849]

My daughter was born the night this happened. I was watching the footage while holding my new baby girl. Couldn’t help but think about all those people leaving this world while she was just entering it. 2/12/09.

[@samiksha537]

In my culture it's said if a baby is born close to the time someone else dies, it's actually the dead person's soul finding a new life. Which is also considered honorable since only kind and pure souls get a chance at rebirth and that soul chose your house to be born in. Maybe you saved a life that day and gave them a second chance. 😊

[@emotionaloveracorolla5274]

(˘･_･˘)

[@fachri17]

@@samiksha537 cool

[@thefrase7884]

@@samiksha537 .....that’s the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard. Look at the ratio of people dying to babies being born. That would be the case for every birth.

[@monicaant.1422]

@@samiksha537 I also heard that! But don't remember where

[@thamnosma]

If the passengers had overheard the crew's cockpit conversation on the ground in Newark I think most would have demanded to get off that plane.

[@darrinsiberia]

The girl seemed so exhausted but did they ever talk about pounding coffee and slapping cold water on their face? Or did she just jibber jabber chit chatty nonsense the whole time. Blows my mind. She brought up a good observation about ice but then digressed into a conversation about herself and career how about going over a checklist on landing in ice? Holy shit.

[@NewscasterNews4]

“I could always call in tomorrow at least I’m in a hotel on the company’s buck” well she’s staying in a hotel now all right……

[@davidjr4903]

@@darrinsiberia She's a girl what do you expect, all they do is blabber about nothing important

[@Cbd_7ohm]

@@davidjr4903 lol

[@gbpg2016]

Sadly, I think you're wrong. Most would've wanted to get to their destination still.

[@flyoverkid55]

All the more tragic when you consider it was entirely avoidable.

[@2snowgirl520]

Scary. Not all pilots are high achievers.

[@AverageAlien]

How did these pilots get through training? They must've bribed someone

[@flyoverkid55]

@@2snowgirl520 As I have frequently told others, someone graduates at the bottom of their respective class, be it doctors, attorneys, engineers, pilots, etc.

[@gofastER]

It makes it even more crazy that stall avoidance and recovery is aviation 101. A second week student probably could of handled it better.

[@jamesmorton7881]

@@flyoverkid55 Scarey stuff, not responding to a STALL. at all, drilled into me as a student . . . nose dwn, op rudder, full power, fly the aircraft way behind the curve for the planes shaker to scream. . do something. condolences to the passengers & families, the PIC, not so much

[@intothemystic5223]

You made my toothache disappear for 14 minutes and 48 seconds. Thank you sir! Amazing work as always.

[@ZR1702]

Fatigued pilots is a real issue, if you aren't feeling well better not fly because it isn't a job wherein you'll be in front of your laptop at a confined workspace, but rather you would be flying an airplane and risking lives of everyone on-board. :( RIP to all the people who lost their lives. 💫

[@Taladar2003]

I feel in all kinds of occupations we should restructure our society to be more accepting of the fact that humans are not machines and won't perform the same all the time. People should not feel that they have to work (particularly in jobs where it endangers others but also in general) if they are not feeling well.

[@thrustasymcomp9145]

Taladar2003 yup, in the class they will tell you like that, but in day to day operation, “cmon theres no one else today, its just a short leg, you will be fine”

[@kikastra]

Qualified pilots are important too. Probably should pay them decently as well.

[@gaslitworldf.melissab2897]

Failing a routine test 3 times should at minimum require suspension until pilot can pass 3 times without failing in between. The point is emergency preparedness, not getting a good grade or raise. I hold the airline responsible. They conduct the tests.

[@thrustasymcomp9145]

GaslitWorld f. Melissa B you completely doesn’t know how it works. 3 times in his career. Its a record. And if he failed the last one, he wont get his license until he passed.

[@jzuffoletto]

My younger cousin was on this flight. He, too, was a pilot for Colgan and was dead-heading on this flight. He lived in Buffalo. He and I have the same name, and I'm a private pilot, so many of my friends thought I had died in a plane crash, and my (former) social media accounts lit up with concern and condolences. In fact, that's how I found out that he died. Very sad. He was a bright young pilot with a long career ahead of him.

[@becca53444]

I won’t even drive a car if I feel too tired. I’ll have to chug a caffeinated drink until I wake up, or get someone else to drive me. I can’t imagine flying a plane through the sky while tired. Nope.

[@PlenthAviation]

This is amazing. This could be a TV show! Better than ACI

[@sowmyamusunuri9818]

I completely agree with you

[@PlenthAviation]

Abdussamad Hamid I’m on about this channel and the video. It’s great quality and the music is good.

[@muubster]

@Abdussamad Hamid he means this channel's videos should be made a TV show

[@KatjaNX]

ACI has nothing on TheFlightChannel!

[@williamcorcoran8842]

All that's needed is a narrator with a good voice to read the subtitles. I love these videos, but since no narration, you miss everything if you take your eyes off for even one second.

[@SaadKhan-pm1tm]

I am so happy you returned to original style. It's a winning formula.

[@allysuckblackisback7746]

Saad Khan Don’t be Saad, anymore Khan. Be Happy Khan.

[@SaadKhan-pm1tm]

@@allysuckblackisback7746 I'll try

[@cubingwithcarl4572]

AllySuckBlack is back lol

[@dripzfn8141]

Saad maan :c

[@dpfreedman]

Awful. The poor 24 year old FO would have been better off working at McDonalds: "The NTSB estimated that Shaw, 24, who had been hired a year before the crash, earned an annual salary of about $16,000." That is absolutely disgraceful.

[@SpinTheWords]

Think the death is better than having to deal with disgruntled customers every damn day.

[@faustuskrauss6457]

Working at McDonalds doesn’t guarantee safety.

[@moralfuxery]

Yeah there's no way that's true. No way not in 2009. Unless it's just a shitty shitty airline but I mean that's terrible pay FOR a McDonald's employee let alone a Fu*king pilot.

[@MentokTheMindTaker]

How many flights did she do to earn that salary? Perhaps she didn't work often

[@Ryan-re1rs]

Died because the "captain" didn't know how to recover from a stall. It just blows my mind how some people can become pilots.

[@mssaltygiggles]

Kind of hard to recover from a stall at 2,000ft. Not enough altitude to recover. At the point a crash was inevitable, should have prepared for a crash land instead of a stall crash land.

[@maxaphone]

@@mssaltygiggles 747 pilots train to recover from a stall in 1500' so that the idea that they couldn't have recovered because they were low is bogus, the Captain had 2 good opportunities to recover and did the exact opposite of the correct recovery technique with the controls.

[@terryofford4977]

Many small Airlines are responsible for such accidents, with inefficient training/ selection of crews etc.,Small airlines should not be permitted to operate until they have displayed absolute efficiency for operating Public passenger aircraft.

[@mssaltygiggles]

@@maxaphone the problem was they were getting ready for landing. You need more speed to recover, at some point she would have had to fly for a go around, but she would have needed altitude for that. The problem here is she was attempting to land when wings tilted not exactly a stall at that point. That was due to the ice built up on the wings. The error here was not having the anti-ice on. The ice built up on the wings most likely would have prevented a recovery out of a stall. Her main actions were to balance the wings that were rolling which she accidentally over corrected. She probably didn’t realize this was due to ice built up due to previous errors of forgetting to turn the anti-ice on. At this point her method was to reduce air speed to try and gain control of the plane since it seemed out of control which was another error since even tho the plane was unbalanced they were already at reduced air speed for landing. That choice caused the plane to go into a stall. Due to the ice built up on the wings it is unlikely at that height she would have recovered from the stall. Even if they are trained to recover at 1500 ft that leaves 500ft for no errors, which means you’re already seeing the ground at 2000 ft. You would have to plummet 1500 ft with iced wings in downward speed to attempt a recovery. No pilot wants to do that at 2,000 ft at night where visibility is already low. That and the possibility of believing due to not turning the anti-ice on that something may be mechanically or electronically wrong with the plane. They say you should have about 5,000ft to 10,000 ft to successfully get out of a stall even though you can get out of one at lower altitudes. As I said, at 2,000ft she would have had to nose down for 1500 ft which would lead them dangerously close to the ground. At low visibility and focusing on alarms this could have been frightening and loss of spatial awareness could have still caused the accident. The pilot is still wrong for the human errors they did. At first it was an imbalance of weight on the wings due to ice build up then it turned into a stall. So who knows if them saying 2,000ft was during the stall or when the wings tilted from sided to side. She could have been at a lower altitude by then. Who knows tho, we only know what info they give us. It still would have been a hard feat to recover from considering the ice build up on the wings. Due to the ice causing an imbalance on the plane flying level I could see this going horribly wrong during the recovery stage.

[@mssaltygiggles]

@@maxaphone I also want to mention for clarification that the initial wing stall was due to ice build up as everything was normal for landing as usual. Maybe they don’t want to highlight that, but ice was the killer and always has been in a lot of these winter take offs.

[@fikhanmd]

Wow. Sometimes I see planes take sharp turns when landing giving you the feeling the plane is going to roll over but this scenario is unimaginable

[@SasquatchTour]

What you are describing is most likely wake turbulence or wind shear. Since different models of aircraft have different approach speeds sometimes controllers lose their required separation and ask the pilots to do S turns to create a little spacing to avoid going around.

[@WayneM1961]

There are lots of ways to have accidents, but one of the easiest ways is to go against all that you have been taught to do, that includes idle chatter instead of concentrating on the matter in hand. A captain falling 3 check-rides should be grounded until his/her performance improves. Nicely told. TFC

[@atholmackie668]

how is this company in aircraft b i ssness

[@skyboy1956]

I think his performance did improve to the point he passed the necessary checks or he would have never been assigned to this flight.

[@jamesoncurry5224]

Completely agree failing 3 checks... you should not have a set of wings... not ever. Critical phases of flight should have 10000% of your attention span. No other things matter other than the aircraft.

[@kimmer6]

I will never forget that night in 2008 watching the fire from the crash on live TV from the West Coast. I saw a basketball hoop in the neighbor's yard lit by the flaming wreckage and went to Google Earth, saw the street view with the hoop, then FOUND the house that the plane fell on. This was so surreal and it affected me more than any news event that I can recall. Some family members escaped from the home but the dad, a fellow named Doug, died along with his kitty. I found out later that Doug had a large sports memorabilia collection that was destroyed. This event burned his name in my memory until I die. Rest in Peace, Doug.

[@2snowgirl520]

All because of two dumbasses pretending they were pilots.

[@jejai88]

Thank you for listening to us, better with text

[@QuickHittinEm]

Way better

[@AlexEwan1]

I agree. The accent can make it a little tricky to understand.

[@orangejuice54]

@@AlexEwan1 I like the voice

[@ronjones-6977]

@Gwen RAILTON I'd say most people like this better. Or he wouldn't have gone back to it. Good move on his part.

[@timmi2198]

He was never shifting to it in the first place, that format - which is occasional, has been done before. It's a supplemental.

[@SilverShrimpTX]

My Uncle was on this flight, RIP UNC

[@dadjiang4849]

You're not supposed to drive when you are tired never mind fly a plane full of passengers.

[@thelarry383]

@@dadjiang4849 and you're telling him this because???

[@johnobrien5440]

It's a shame your uncle was in the hands of 29 year old immature pilot in the back with the girls as he said.

[@jimbeaux89]

People can throw insults at others all they want. All I’ve got to say is may your Uncle Rest In Peace. God bless him, and all those others who lost their lives that night.

[@jimbeaux89]

@@johnobrien5440 ?

[@captainjohnh9405]

The first I heard about the accident was from a good friend who worked at Continental. It was about 3am when he called. He asked me if I was okay, and I said, "Yes, why wouldn't I?" He said he had been trying to text me, and I should turn on the tv. On my leg from the outstation to Houston, focusing on the flight was difficult. Three questions spun in my head: Was it the weather? Mechanical or crew failure. Who was the crew? Who was the crew? Were they coworkers or close friends? At other companies, I lost coworkers, but never close friends. In Houston's crew room, some people looked into others' eyes hoping for an answer. Others stared at their hands as they rang them, And the room was silent. No gossip, union talk, or plans for an upcoming break. No birth or wedding announcements. Just silence. Miss you, Marvin. I still miss you.

[@roxannecolona3806]

Thank you...I understand and know what you are feeling....

[@planezyy]

Oh the sadness R.I.P to all who lost their lives in this flight.

[@Katelyst]

I enjoy your content regardless of how you choose to go about it, but this is honestly my favorite style. You have the real audio where appropriate, you give detailed info on the crew, and you take the time to construct the timeline of events. Excellent work as always. :)

[@garywillingham3644]

a pilot once told me the landing in the MOST critical time he said Its basically a controlled crash

[@JordanWilliams-ix2td]

The fact that the plane was literally designed to avoid this & the only reason it happened is due to human error is sad. What a horrible way to die. May they all R.I.P 😘

[@pauljordan4452]

Agreed. R.I.P. abbreviates the Latin phrase for may they rest in peace.

[@pigpug_214]

I’m two persons removed from someone who died on that plane, his widow went onto be one of the biggest advocates for change in standards due to this crash. RIP Ernie West

[@lisas8244]

I'm always amazed at the people who can put their personal loss and grief aside long enough to be advocates for change so there is less chance of a similar tragedy happening to others. The courage, determination and perseverance in the face of heartbreaking disaster are human traits to be celebrated and deeply respected. People like Ernie West's widow are tough, strong Americans with true grit.

[@Orphen42O]

The families of the victims bravely took on the aviation industry to improve passenger safety.

[@cpunut]

As a pilot myself, who took my first check-ride at Colgan at JYO (them was called W10) back in the 70s, I can say this was one of the most stupid and preventable accidents in modern times. I've read the entire NTSB report, available online at the ntsb website, just have to know the crash date. The captan just didn't know how to fly an airplane, started later in life after being bored with a job at Verizon. It's way better to learn a complex skill when younger. I started at 15 years old. One time a check ride instructor, when in my late 40s, said he could tell I learned to fly when young. The same thing applies to motorcycles. Well back to the report, this aircraft was equipped with modern data recorder that also recorded strain gauge information on the yoke and rudder pedals for both pilots. She was young and cute and he was an older guy and the transcript details their conversation where he was driving the conversation and said some stupid things about what aircraft she should upgrade to and suggested an easier one than she wanted to, which says something about him. The total stupid and I mean no airmanship stupid is he did not expect or monitor the airspeed when dirtying up the airplane and of course it started to drop as one would expect but he didn’t add power to offset because he was too busy talking where the law says the cockpit should be "sterile". In all due respect to his family he was flying like one may drive a car, i.e. not showing an understanding of airmanship. Pilots have a saying, if you want to see the ground, pull back. If you want to see it more quickly, pull back more. A complete lack of airmanship. The saddest part for me after reading the whole report is that this airplane had a modern data recorder with something like 400 parameters which included strain gauges on each yoke and she fought him on the controls to do the right thing while his panic mode over powered her. She started to scream in the last bit when she knew she was about to die. So sad and 100% preventable on many counts. Never should have got in the stall to begin with and should have pushed forward to get the wings back flying again. Retracting the flaps to zero was also a mistake, should have gone to the take-off flap setting. My two cents as a long time pilot and after reading the many page report cover to cover. All just so sad and 100% unnecessary.

[@Orphen42O]

If you access m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/qpybq3t_lLyjfck , the captain refers to piloting as a "second career because of the Verizon plan". What does he mean? It does not seem that the pilot adhered to or enforced "sterile" cockpit rules.

[@colbs237]

Great post, cpunut. This is so sad.

[@DiseasedPopeno]

Please take age out of this. You don't have to be young to learn complicated skills lol.

[@aaront2020]

It is mind boggling these 2 were pilots. The lack of respect and care they had for the passengers is unforgivable. They were reckless and careless, and while it is a shame they perished in the accident, they did it to themselves and cost 48 other people their lives.

[@tugginalong]

Thanks for your input. It helps us laymen understand a little. I’ve watched a lot of these videos and it seems stalls are often the problem and it also seems they are mostly preventable. I’ve travelled for over 25 years and I’ve been on roughly 2000 commercial flights with hundreds on Dash 8s. I’ve always heard how safe they are so when this crash occurred, it hit me a little header than many others. Thanks again for your input.

[@hassanmazza1831]

The best aviation channel. Who else feels like they need more content?

[@zemzem8323]

More content means more crashes...its a double edged sword...😳😅

[@Taladar2003]

I would love more content (assuming there are crashes that would just go otherwise unreported, nobody wants more crashes of course) but I prefer fewer high-quality videos like this to more lower quality ones.

[@chrischiampo7647]

Love This Channel 😀😊😀

[@LadyVoldemort]

I would like to see more of the "almost crashes" ones. The survivors... Every time the plane crashes, my heart breaks...

[@salty_kr]

@@LadyVoldemort damn, your heart breaks? That means your heart is very small, I think if the person who you hate will die than you'll cry for him too right?

[@tinchin714]

Even if I dead tired I would watch A new flightchannnel upload

[@alyssaziobro]

I've been waiting for this particular video. I remember when this crash happened - my community was so shaken because nothing like this had ever happened in WNY before. Thanks for doing such a fantastic job on the video as always. RIP to everyone who lost their lives in this accident.

[@livlovsucceed3894]

You are a person first and before your job title. When you are feeling stressed and fatigued DO NOT go to work.

[@gentef13]

And then, get fired

[@NewscasterNews4]

@@gentef13 I mean you can always get another job….you can’t get another life.

[@Supremeteamcaptain]

@@NewscasterNews4 I think most office jobs being fatigued and stressed will get you fired from job after job if that’s the official excuse so lol

[@xanaduxanadu3605]

I can't help thinking about the passengers and what they were thinking as they plunged to their fate. I get so angry at those pilots.

[@aaronarmadillo]

I was almost 3 when this happened, so I don’t remember it, but my neighbor/my mom’s friend died in this crash when she was heading to Buffalo to win an award for her husband, Sean, who died in the South Tower when it collapsed. Like I said, I don’t remember it, but I can’t imagine what my mom went through. R.I.P Beverly, Sean, and everyone else who died in 9/11 and flight 3407.😢

[@sisu413]

Aaron A.- How horrible!!!! That's awful for Beverly's family 😔 I don't know if they had children but I couldn't imagine losing my dad on 9/11 then my mom while she's accepting an award for him years later. My heart aches for all involved. RIP ❤️

[@salty_kr]

@Simon Curtis rude

[@Chris492_]

Simon Curtis stfu

[@jessicahanson2409]

It’s true. There were a few people on that flight that had family who were in 9/11.

[@drkatel]

It's true. Beverly Eckert even has a Wikipedia page. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beverly_Eckert People often write, "This person is lying! There's no way a friend or relative of someone in this crash would comment." Well, actually, chances are pretty high that a friend/relative *will* comment because people tend to search for videos of events that affected them. The audience of any given video is not a random sample.

[@jamespalmer4945]

The music for this show is so iconic. Just the sound of it makes me feel like all the passengers are in heaven with angels now

[@jonathanbernhard5418]

So nice to hear cockpit radio, thank you!

[@kevin1873]

This is one of the first things you learn when getting your PPL. How to recover from a stall. I definitely don't remember the step about adding power and pulling back on the yoke. This goes against every fundamental lesson of stall recovery in this configuration. In fact, with the current landing configuration. Adding 75% to full power would have in fact already caused the aircraft to start climbing on it's own, requiring the captain to push forward at least a little on the yoke in order to maintain the proper descent angle on the glide slope. I can't imagine why he would pull back on the yoke.

[@metalmilitia623]

Ever since I found your channel I have been waiting for this video. This crash was less than 2 miles from my home and I know people who were on scene before first responders who all saw a horrific scene. I also know a person who drove through the smoke from the crash prior to the area being cordoned off. I drove nearby that night but was only going to see a movie and paid little attention as initial reports were that it was a small private plane, and not a commercial airline. Thanks for your awesome work and keep it up.

[@lindaeasley4336]

Pilots : boy that's alot of ice on the windows. So , as we were discussing.....

[@pascalcoole2725]

yeah, you wonder....

[@Robochop-vz3qm]

Weren't they talking real estate? Thats helpful.

[@mr.sprumford7140]

Right?

[@BS-ql9zm]

They said icing wasn't a factor in the crash

[@timmyt1232]

Why was icing ruled out? For a lot of icing to accumulate on the windows then there may be icing on the wings. Was the plane de-iced before take off?

[@shreyshah50]

I can only sit here and appreciate and commend the immense work you do making, editing, and compiling for such videos. Who else initially thought that the F/O would cause the crash? Just imagine the plight of passengers when the plane is rolling from left to right

[@atholmackie668]

she never did WAKE UP

[@Capt-Intrepid]

Gross incompetence and negligence. During a stall, pilots instinctively know to push yoke forward, roll wings level, and add power.

[@ricksaburai]

Being so counter-instinctive is why the pilot should have never set foot in this plane. The plane wasn't even stalling when the autopilot disengaged and stall warnings lit up because they were using ice condition indicators. Why the hell did that man keep pulling the yoke even against the stick pusher? Was he flying a helicopter? And why 75% power? Jesus the lives lost in vain

[@travelbugse2829]

@@ricksaburai Maybe psychological testing needs to be included in pilot evaluation. I couldn't help wondering whether some people fixate on what the control yoke does: his need in terror was to go up, not down, so he pulled. It overrode what he had been taught. I read somewhere about a bush pilot, highly experienced, who had a passenger, another pilot - who was low-time. The aircraft was close to max load, so the pilot was allowing the a/c to build speed before gently rotating. At the crucial moment the passenger pulled hard on the control. The a/c stalled, pancaked onto the ground and was substantially damaged. The passenger admitted afterwards, something like: "I couldn't stand it any more - you were too close to the ground! I wanted it to gain height!!!!"

[@ThomasCallahanJr]

“Max, relax, roll”

[@LemireCassie]

sadly, they didn't or were too tired to be in the moment. The families left behind. God Bless.

[@anisocoro]

We must take in accoiunt that the airplane was already configurated to land, had slown down , gear down, and flaps extended. It could be interesting to know why it has stalled and if the anti-ice system was efficient

[@robbes7rh]

It’s a little unsettling that the captain lost control of his plane during approach. It would hardly come as unexpected to meet icy conditions in Buffalo during winter months. Yet both he and 1st officer were blissfully unaware that they were about to stall. The plane got away from him as if he were an amateur pilot in training, pitching up and down, rolling left and right...yes, the commuter airlines should keep sharper tabs on their pilots.

[@windsorpatb]

Captain and 1st Officer both females.

[@gregfolland8452]

@@windsorpatb - Good point.

[@robbes7rh]

@@windsorpatb - the Captain is identified as Marvin Renslow. Transsexual or not, he/she had a poor flying record and should never have been in the captain’s seat of that flight. A National pilots database now makes it easier for airlines to spot these problems before hiring somebody like that.

[@patricknullo4196]

@@robbes7rh No, it doesn't. See this one, and the subsequent NTSB criticism of the FAA on this issue. kzbin.info/www/bejne/hajWpolrlrSsZ7M

[@EricMalette]

I'm constantly amazed at how often pilots forget to monitor guages and do simple things that could have saved their lives. I got the shivers.

[@itellyouforfree7238]

These are not real pilots, they are taxi drivers at best

[@ChokeslamToHell]

It doesn’t happen often at all, it just seems that way when you watch airline crashes online lol.

[@EricMalette]

@@ChokeslamToHell fair point. It's just the insidiousness of it all.

[@daviscmiller]

I was 9 years old at the time and lived 5 minutes from the crash... it sounded like thunder

[@hueyrosayaga]

Dang. When did you find out it wasnt thunder?

[@mirra_wan]

Huey Rosayaga myb the next morning

[@byronharano2391]

Was so heart wrenching to see the tail spin around in flight and overtake the nose! That is an acrobatic maneuver commercial aircraft are not designed for. Oh...the terror in the main cabin!! Loss of crew awareness, Self-control and aircraft control and vertical space. Basic rules broken: Aviate, Navigate, Communicate. So sad, an avoidable loss of lives and one fatality in the house. Sad sad and painful to watch. Blessings Kuya Allec.

[@stanbrooks7923]

This channel is so damn addictive.

[@atrainn]

Fr fr

[@mrcommonsense9074]

It is. Not good if u fly a lot. U can recognize more problems. And most likely overreact to some situations

[@westfield90]

I cannot image the horror the poor passengers experienced as the plane was spinning out of control

[@Luka23567]

Yea and then it’s all extinguished on impact.

[@x4iaw931]

These videos are masterfully made!! So in depth. So clear and detailed to look at. Thank you so much for producing them for the world to be able to see and learn from! Two people with very little experience, one so young that I don't understand how she could even finished her training. A university degree normally takes people until they're 24, let alone qualifying to fly an air plane. Both tired, underpaid... I've heard both of them qualified for foodstamps. These 2 should never have been put together, and never in this condition. What a tragedy.

[@ellawhite5167]

I'd like to add a piece of contact that's often missed in this accident. Many are puzzled by the crew's reaction to the stall on this and Air France 447. Well back then stall training on turbine aircraft is very different. You were penalized or even failed for any altitude lost. They focused on putting power on and flying out if it and not losing any altitude. It was due to this accident that's that training was changed. Air France 447 would have also likely contributed to change but that investigation took nearly five years.

[@moomoomoonation]

so then how would one react to a stall? By pulling the nose up? It boggles the mind that aviation experts were training this! What happens if you bring the nose of stalling airplane up?

[@MrYfrank14]

I am not a pilot but I thought everyone learned from the Wright brothers over 100 years ago that you need speed to fly. if you nose down, the plane falls, gains speed, now you recover. I can't believe someone thought it would be a good idea to change the basic principles of flight and fight gravity by going nose up and adding power. I mean, assuming you have enough altitude so you can go nose down.

[@gtaxmods]

Why was that the training? Even in the early days of flying, it was pretty clear that putting your nose up will worsen a stall... Was there some psychopath in charge of writing the books who wanted to kill a bunch of people?

[@Horizon301.]

AF447 was down to one pilots mistakes. The others were competent

[@youtube-ventura]

@@Horizon301. A mistake? A pretty huge mistake for a pilot to not know the principles of flying to avoid a stall. That's like saying a professional racecar driver crashed because they forgot how to slow down. It's pathetic and hard to believe there are pilots flying today that don't know the basics of flight.

[@gaslitworldf.melissab2897]

Anyone piloting "anything" should not do so tired. Being tired is just about as bad as being drunk. You don't/can't fire all cylinders. That means nothing can go wrong. You need a zero trouble flight. IMAGINE what passengers must have been thinking and the flight attendants.

[@blusheep2]

If only we had control over that. When the boss says get up an go to work, he doesn't always care if there were kids screaming in the hall the night before or if you just couldn't get to sleep for some reason.

[@ABQSkywatcher]

@@blusheep2 Don't fly a plane tired, obviously.

[@blusheep2]

@@ABQSkywatcher But obviously that is not always an option.

[@tomcorwine3091]

@@blusheep2 That’s always an option. My friend has been an ATP pilot for over 30 years. He can call in anytime and say, “I’m exhausted.” The airline can not schedule him until he calls in again and tells them he is, “Well rested.” They may not like that, but he has done it. Even if such a policy didn’t exist, no one holds a gun to the crew’s head and says, “fly.” I get that some pilots may not have that sort of union protection, and they fear ending their career, but crashing also has a way of ending a career.

[@blusheep2]

@@tomcorwine3091 I understand that. That is called "fatigue." A pilot can call in "fatigued." What I am referring to is day to day "tired." If a pilot were to call in fatigued every trip because they were tired, because say, they commute to work, then those pilots wouldn't likely have a job for long. Fatigue calls aren't meant to be used as a means of ignoring personal responsibility. They are used for rare occasions when the kids in the hotel kept you up all night or because your newborn was sick and you had to tend to him the night before reporting to work. Also, you can't call in "fatigued" and then take off 4 days. They will give you a required rest period and you are expected to get the rest you need and return to work. Fatigue calls are not like calling in sick. When calling in sick, a company can require a doctors note from a doctor they pay for but fatigue calls are vetted and either approved or not approved. If someone uses it to often they will probably be questioned about it. Anyway that is the history lesson. When talking about day to day tired. The afternoon cercadian low, food comas, etc pilots can't just call in and say they are tired. They have to fight through it.

[@kaylaa_xxo6757]

It honestly amazes me how TALENTED this KZbinr is, keep it up!

[@joeseeking3572]

What I remember most from this crash was my incredulity over the hiring criteria and working / living conditions of the commuter pilots. 10 years of flying later, I won't fly a commuter carrier (unless Porter into Billy Bishop qualifies, and I rethink that occasionally).

[@solefinder3708]

Ye, I remember a report on these commuter airlines, and how some pilots would take part time jobs because paid so little, like truck drivers were earning more than many of these pilots at the time.

[@solefinder3708]

@DeusVult1683 Ye, I read where CEO's of these companies were taking advantage of the 'prestige factor', meaning they knew most new pilots would sacrifice pay just for the prestige of being an airline pilot. I really hope that culture has changed since then.

[@TheSabresrock]

3407=LOVE Living in Buffalo I remember this night so clearly. All the sirens and not knowing what happened on my way home from work radio stated a plane had crashed. Once home Turing on the TV I was in utter disbelief of what I was seeing. The flames, the tail light still on the plane. People running, crying and screaming. So many people from Buffalo were on that flight returning home. My sons teacher at the time and lost his friend in that crash along with another teacher at his school losing her husband. We are a right knit community here and somehow everyone seems to know some who knows someone you know. This crash affected so many families. 3407 will always be in our hearts.

[@janicesullivan8942]

“The captain failed three check rides,” why was he still allowed to fly?

[@rogerroger6049]

The First Officer was a chatterbox...possibly a diversity hire.

[@TheSpecial4247]

some people take 15 times to pass there driving test lol even to become a surgen there is no limit on how many times you can try to get your licence and everyone gets lucky once in a while lol

[@PabloGonzalez-hv3td]

@@rogerroger6049 The captain flew it into the ground

[@PistonAvatarGuy]

@@PabloGonzalez-hv3td The crash was almost entirely the fault of the captain, but she was changing the configuration of the aircraft when she shouldn't have been.

[@thrustasymcomp9145]

PistonAvatarGuy they didn’t care about icing condition. But in a stall why would she did that.

[@districtline]

I worked for a major carrier that used a regional partner flying under our brand name; I can tell you there were times we'd view the crew roster on those regionals and wonder how the PIC or FIC were feeling that day before takeoff.

[@naveenchandani]

Ah, back to the text, atmospheric music and sound effects. Like welcoming an old friend again. It was brave of you to try something different with the last video, even braver perhaps to revert to the tried and trusted method. Thank you for your work.

[@TaterChip91]

Watching stories like these really sit heavy. I can't imagine what it's like to have a conversation with someone, telling them to have a good night and friendly as can be. And just seconds later, their dead. Thats fucked up man.

[@retrovicecity9017]

I'll never forget that night seeing this unfold on tv. I live in Canada not even an hour from Buffalo and never had such a tragedy happen so close to home. We've always loved to cross the Peace bridge into Buffalo. It's a terrific city. The look on this one lady entering the airport not long after receiving news she just lost a loved one will never leave my mind. I felt so bad for her and still do to this day.

[@sparkywarchief]

Another incredible video!! and thanks for bringing back the text!

[@kushaljaiswal9307]

Your content is just getting better man,thanks for everything I really love your work!!

[@ayjay749]

Great to have the music and subtitles back instead of narration - makes the video seem much more professional. Just one little thing - you used to omit the explosion sound for the crash - I always thought that showed an extra degree of respect and was in good taste. Thanks for all your hard work!

[@joshuapowell114]

It was tasteful, I felt so as well...

[@snogglewort1]

Stop moaning and nitpicking and be grateful someone makes these videos at all

[@jjm8224]

Ah! the original format is back....thank you, thank you, thank you. You are the best!

[@gwendolyncarter5668]

Agreed. Much better back to mainly text and I also enjoy very much the actual cockpit audio. As always, thanks for all you do, TFC!

[@lungzish]

Thank you for a beautiful clear video, so sad about everyone that passed away💔

[@jessicahanson2409]

I live in Western NY and was at work the night this happened. (At the time I was an EMT for a commercial ambulance company) . I remember looking at my partner when the alert 3 came over the radio. So many people wanted to help, and it truly showed the kind of people that live in this area.....always willing to support and help one another in times of tragedy.

[@watershed44]

@Jessica Hanson I've heard a lot of great things about that area!

[@jessicahanson2409]

I have lived here most of my life, about 20 minutes north of Niagara Falls. You can see one of the 7 wonders and go on a pretty awesome wine trail all in the same day lol. But seriously, the people here are friendly, it’s not too expensive to raise a family and you’re not more than an hour away from Buffalo or Rochester.

[@watershed44]

@Jessica Hanson I had an aunt and uncle that lived up there near where you are and loved it, but since they were older and had no family nearby they moved back down to the DC/MD area to a senior residential living community, the place is nice, and they have their own home but I think they miss it up there. Did Kodak ever make a comeback in Rochester? They were reorganizing from bankruptcy years ago..I know there were the major employer for many decades until the 1990s.

[@jessicahanson2409]

@watershed44 a ton of my family worked in Rochester at Kodak. It did recover slightly but now it’s nonexistent. Kind of sad.

[@arvantsaraihan5777]

The flight was smooth and everything seemed in control but it suddenly escalated quickly during the approach and I was like.... that's very unfortunate you know because I think that's pretty avoidable

[@flower2289]

For all you young pilots out there. There were several mistakes made that night that killed those people. There was no mention made however of the FO's radio communications. She failed several times to repeat back specific altitudes issued by the controllers. Responding only with her flight number. Always Always repeat back the instructions given by the controller. It just may save your flight someday. Repeat back the instructions, your company call sign, and your flight number. Every-Single-Time.

[@GH-oi2jf]

I noticed that. The controller should have reminded her.

[@SebastiaanVaz]

These video's truly make aviation safer for everyone. Thank you for your work.

[@pranavnair9716]

This is an awesome video.I loved it because you responded to our request for adding subtitles.I had a request that can u put the next video of Air India express flight 821 which occured on 21 September 2018.Once again I want to say awesome video. Keep it up

[@justinsmith4346]

Rip Steve Johnson ❤ was my mom's sisters husband. None will ever be forgotten😭

[@winniethepoohandeeyore2]

Coulda just said Uncle?

[@trevorrogers95]

Y’all coulda been respectful instead of nagging someone for at best providing specific details and at worse being redundant. Sorry for your loss, Justin. Fuck these guys.

[@pauljordan4452]

@@winniethepoohandeeyore2 Uncle is not specific enough.

[@winniethepoohandeeyore2]

@@pauljordan4452 Yeah it is

[@shpkunky9732]

the thumbnail is what got me exited and this person never click baits us

[@NeptuneRising70]

This happened in my hometown. Last time I went to visit, we saw the memorial. The plane went down less than 5 miles from my mom’s house...

[@uraveragemariogamesenjoyer]

The fact that this crash happened exactly on my birthday is somewhat extremely scary to me. RIP to everyone that died in this crash.

[@akshan2796]

Me: doing some other work on my phone Notification: "new from The Flight Channel" Me: (stop doing other work and click the notification) let's see what new he has come up with;)

[@Jiggypig08]

Akshan Amin - the same for me, sitting in the sun in my garden in Scotland - must go indoors and see what’s new....

[@DblCheesyBurger]

TheFlightChannel is the best flight channel even my attempts on recreations aren't that good

[@deenamaness52]

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[@SuperScottCrawford]

Good channel, no doubt. However, Allec Joshua Ibay doesn't run ads. That is a HUGE plus.

[@SueMead]

@@SuperScottCrawford I was just about to recommend that channel. They're very similar so that's probably why we like both of them.

[@SuperScottCrawford]

@@SueMead Then I think you may also like Avinations channel. One other, although not an "air disaster" type channel, is flugsnug. Some very interesting, high-quality aircraft footage.

[@kyliepechler]

@@SueMead They are the only two plane channels I watch. 👍

[@chrisk8265]

I remember when this happened. I live right by the crash site. Things around there haven’t been the same ever since then and people are so scared to live there because of what happened that they’ve all started to move away

[@darrinsiberia]

The souls of the dead now haunt that area. It is a cursed place.

[@joeybaby.]

Thank God for the NTSB . These videos are so informative. The Alaskan fight which lost the function of it's rudder resulting in it coming down off the coast of Port Hueneme , California, in January 2000. It was visible right out my living room window . That event sparked my interest in aviation accidents. This channel is fantastic, I have learned so much .

[@CoastalAutoReactionCAR]

So well done my friend. Your level of commitment to producing quality content in a accurate and respectful way is an inspiration.🙏

[@johndoyle4723]

Thanks, another brilliant production and a return to text. Seems like a very sloppy operation that resulted in a tragic loss of life, terrifying last moments for the passengers. RIP all souls on board and on land.

[@MrTitaniumDioxide]

"The NTSB found no evidence of 'severe' icing conditions and ruled the theory out..." "Weather in the area is not favorable, with light snow and fog with winds of 15 knots..." True, the captain _thrice_ reacted poorly to stalls which developed because crew did not adequately monitor airspeed. Other aircraft in the vicinity landed without incident that evening. However, the weather was _not_ 'light snow' -- it was quite clearly _freezing rain,_ with which both pilots had had minimal experience and which ultimately _created_ the stalling condition. This aspect of the tragedy should be stressed. There was an arguably _negligent_ environment within the (mostly sub-contracted) 'commuter' or 'regional' airline industry leading up to this crash. Training & simulator time, demanding proficiency standards, fatigue due to heavy workload (long workdays and workweeks) and low salary levels -- all factors ultimately related to maximizing profits and favoring low-time pilots at the controls. The co-pilot had related to others of sleeping in airport lounge chairs rather than in motel beds and traveling long hours to commute _before_ beginning a workday and may also have been in that cockpit nursing a cold because of financial pressures from meager paychecks and managerial pressures to work heavy turnarounds. The fact the captain had failed _three_ checkrides yet was flying in dicey weather conditions with 50 lives at stake speaks volumes about 'feeder' air services. NTSB stated the co-pilot unwittingly overrode and thus deactivated the captain's autopilot programming to compensate for forecast icing conditions. Maybe more like 'bottom feeder' air carriers? Finally, the Dash-8 nearly fell out the sky, not at the shallow angle depicted in this simulation. www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2010/02/colganbuffalo_plane_crash_erro.html

[@nidurnevets]

My daughter flew the same night , a few hours before the accident, to the same airport and said that there seemed to turbulence that scared her. She is not in the aviation field so it is not an expert opinion.

[@longbowshooter5291]

They both made comments about all the ice on their windshields, and even ON the leading edge of the wing, yet never turned on any de-icing? While they claim there was "no evidence of icing" I can't agree with that. It seems likely, to me anyway, that the icing on the leading edge started the problem, then the pilot lost control with all the wrong inputs. I would imagine that the ice that was built up on the wings was all removed from the crash.

[@superwhuffo1]

I'm a man who has flown a plane (student license) and I'm a retired skydiving instructor..and to me these videos demonstrate the incredible incompetence in too many pilots!!! 😥

[@lindsayschmidt2177]

The FO was only a year older than me. She sounds so young on the recordings. Very sad that she will never become a captain like she wanted.

[@itellyouforfree7238]

i would say that it's for the best for humanity that she never became one. she then could have crashed a 747 with 250+ passengers

[@rafd3593]

Have just started watching these videos and feel so sad for everyone who died or were seriously injured. The videos themselves are very well and sympathetically put together. They are also instructive. Hopefully, air crew view them and pick up on what not to do in the event of the scenarios happening again. So sorry that all who died here did so sorry for all their families. I guess the law of averages is that this type of event going to happen.

[@justmadeit2]

One thing I realise is that when you are only a couple of thousand feet from the ground you don't have much time to correct a problem with the plane if it stalls or starts leaning to one side. Its terrifying

[@__-og8sw]

"that's alot of ice..." The flattery played a huge part in the crash...

[@dixonpinfold2582]

I did notice the stilted oddness of that exchange, as though something else is meant. You don't mean...? It's true that events seem to take them by surprise and they react to them in a way that the pilots here in the comments find hard to understand. Are you suggesting they were they profoundly distracted? If I'm reading you right, the same thing went through my mind. Could it be...?

[@jessicasnaplesfl7474]

What I remember most from reports about this disaster is that the pilots were talking to each other about their lack of training and experience flying in icing conditions. They also tried to make the other feel confident because both of them were scared to death due to deteriorating flying conditions. I question the dismissal of icing as a cause of this crash if it was significant enough for the first officer to question the captain about it. I question how the airspeed dropped unnoticed to 100 knots and WHY automatic "stall protection" was instigated at low altitude. How many feet in altitude did these pilots have left to recover from a stall when the nose was automatically pointed down? Isn't this the similar to the problems Boeing has with their MCAS system that caused two crashes and grounded their airplanes? There were also reports of low salaries being paid to new pilots causing them to make many compromises in their living conditions when not flying.

[@blusheep2]

Only the FO was talking about her inexperience because she was a new hire. The Captain had been in the airline for at least 5 years because I think he failed at least 5 check rides which are done yearly. The stall happened at level off. The pilots failed to notice the level off and didn't give it power so it just slowed down till it stalled. The automatic stall protection did happen but the Captain, who screwed things up, fought against it which is not what he was trained to do. They were at 2 or 3 thousand when it happened. I thought it was 3 but some other comments I've been reading said 2 so maybe I'm not remembering it perfectly. A stall recovery takes a couple hundred feet tops. It should only take a hundred feet. They were low but not to low to recover. The crash unfortunately happened because the Captain fought against the automation and the girl was to inexperienced to yell at him. There are some clues that she was trying to think through the whole crash but that is another discussion. I don't blame the girl at all. I give her a pass. The crash has nothing in common with the Boeing crashes. Pure pilot error.

[@Bobrogers99]

@@blusheep2 After 5 failed check rides, why was he still a Captain?

[@blusheep2]

@@Bobrogers99 Thats the question to answer to be sure. I imagine that the system was set up that way. Many of these maneuvers are only practiced once a year in the SIM. In those days the check rides were called PCs which was a test without any warm up. If you failed a check ride, I imagine it was chocked up to not having done theses maneuvers in a year and so retraining took place and if the pilot succeeded in the retest then he wouldn't get fired.

[@marcoreynolds9340]

the ntsb doesn't look out for pilots from what I've seen it looks like they exist to protect the company's interests and money.

[@rhettski999]

'why automatic "stall protection" was instigated at low altitude?' It does seem to us non-pilot humans completely counter-intuitive to push that nose down at 10:20 or shortly thereafter, but as the report makes clear, and as the automatic stall protection within the aircraft attempted-(but was overridden) to do, it would have perhaps saved the plane notwithstanding the low altitude in landing phase. I've seen some great you tube interviews with some industry professionals and in most situations I think commercial pilots are almost taught now react to an approaching or actual stall scenario to push the control column as instinct and you kind of want to jump out of your seat a little. There's some great content on stalls even for people who don't work in this industry its quite interesting to learn more about it, the better learning I think is solid training to avoid ever entering that kind of low speed situation in the first place over stall recovery as is posited in this fascinating video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/o5DXfIaeocuSnbc

[@Jaahda]

Thanks. I've just watched three ep's in a row. Perfect grammar! I had been planning to send you a proposal for my editing services ;-) Perfect grammar is such a joy!

[@dixonpinfold2582]

I suggested to him a year ago that he find an editor. I know he read the post because he replied concerning the other subject I raised (his typeface). And, yes, his text is now well edited.

[@annedennett7974]

During the investigation it was stated that they didn't believe there was an icing problem when the pilot and co-pilot made several comments about how bad it was. i think that is sad that they basically said they were lying.

[@TheNondiscriminatory]

No. No one said they were lying. What they said was icing was not a factor. Probably because the black box was able to show full aileron freedom during all the shenanigans that caused them to crash, among other ways they could figure that out. bottom line is you stall, you nose down, apply power. This dude panicked and pulled up both times the aircraft did a nose down. Thats bad flying 101. He made a tragic mistake and paid for it. Simple as that.

[@anisocoro]

@@TheNondiscriminatory after the crash there was a heavy fire that could have melted even a large amount of ice eventually built-up on the wings. You know that , when tons of ice build on the wings, the aircraft becomes far heavier and it needs a faster airspeed to keep it flying. But the aircraft was going to land and it could not tolerate a fast speed - on the ground it could have not been possible to arrest before the end of the airstrip-. Maybe the best options should have been go around and let the ice melt. As for the supposed pilot's failures, nearly every pilot fails one or more cheks at the beginning of his training, this poilot has never crashed an aiplane before

[@solgoode1]

@@TheNondiscriminatory Full aileron freedom doesn't mean they would have full lift from the wings because of icing and the response would have been sluggish. It looked like the pilot was overcorrecting because of this and just lost control. I think the FAA is wrong on this one. The autopilot kicked in because the plane was stalling at speeds it shouldn't have.. That's because it was iced up and lost some of it's lift. Then the pilot made a terrible mistake pulling back on the yoke. Then they went into pilot-induced oscillation. That's my two-cents. Not trying to argue with you, just friendly discussion. : )

[@mssaltygiggles]

@@solgoode1 I agree

[@VoxxEU]

@@TheNondiscriminatory "bottom line is you stall, you nose down, apply power." That is simply not always true.

[@drbettyschueler3235]

I've been on two commercial planes that encountered problems during flight. The first instance was flying from Florida to Maryland. We flew over tornadoes and the turbulence was crazy. We were seatbelted in but were still thrown around enough that I ended up in the hospital once we landed. The second time we were flying from California to Maryland and something went wrong so we had to make an emergency landing which blew out my ear drums. Despite these incidents I still enjoy flying.

[@aubreydinklage3740]

Remind me to never get on a flight with you lol. Can you hear?

[@drbettyschueler3235]

@@aubreydinklage3740 I have a hard time understanding people talk but I can hear a dog bark 5 miles away. Just one of life's little jokes.

[@gregfolland8452]

@@drbettyschueler3235 - I think that’s a hearing condition known as “cocktail party syndrome”. I have it too!

[@crochelt]

Two incidents for me: Pressurization problem, out of LA, we flew low and slow to Sacramento and got rebooked. Flying to MSP, flaps would not extend, we landed fast with the equipment chasing us, but no problem. I've been lucky. Of course, there may be more I didn't even know about.

[@SimonSNB]

I like the radio audio but it makes it a bit more sad knowing some of the pilots' final words

[@WayPastCrazy2525]

@Alan Cogan Alan Cogan and you were laughing because.... you're a little kid-sized troll who snuck out of your bed to eat Oreos while writing worthless garbage on here?

[@planes1mple296]

CVR definitely makes you feel more involved but yes, it's really sad to hear or read someone's last words.

[@SimonSNB]

@Alan Cogan you sure you want to say that?

[@SimonSNB]

@Alan Cogan well that's your problem then

[@ruffles886]

Simon SNB just ignore the trolls guys that’s the only way to defeat them at their game. Just saying. Dude probably doesn’t even mean what he’s saying he just wanted your reaction.

[@dveswans]

Hey Buddy (: I can't explain how incredible your vids are. They are just awesome!!!!!! Keep up all of the hard work!!!!! Also, may the victims onboard Rest In Peace 😭😭😭😭😭

[@lm7582]

Brilliantly done. Thank you for all the hard work you put into your videos. Always leaves me in awe.

[@carmensmith1453]

Can't imagine huge tragedy all those ppl left away too soon rest in peace ...rest in peace terribly sad