M&P Metal Carry Comp vs XR920P vs TTI Combat - Review and Shootout among Striker-Fired Comp'd Kings!

[@higgythepanda]

Ive shot all 3, but Bias due to me owning it; the M&P Carry Comp Metal is the winner for me and I’ve had zero issues and only gripe is the reset on the trigger. Next would be the Shadow Systems and lastly the Canik. Great video!

[@BareSphereMass]

I would love to see a Shadow System's VS Walther PDP 5" or Pro-X PMM (compted 4.6")

[@sdbradley510]

I just bought the TTI Combat. I got it for right at $1,000 with the red dot. I am getting this gun because I am starting to shoot in competitions. I have a TP9SFX, and I love that gun. I have an M&P 2.0 that I like shooting, but the trigger is nowhere near as good as my Canik. I haven't tried any Shadow Systems guns yet, but I have heard nothing but great things about them. Thank you for a great review and comparison of all three guns!

[@joshbrightenterprises1789]

I went with the poly Rival because for the $1000 that any of these cost is did it with a light and optic and it shoots great!!!

[@ThomasIagrosse]

Hi. Saw David's video on the Cr920 XP. I already had a Shield Plus Perfor. Model from a couple of years ago, my wife loves Canik they are just too wide to fit in the webbing of my hand. Bought the CR920 XP for $921. If you have trouble with trigger finger pinch from Glock you may get it with the Shadow. Rounded the sharp corners on the safety dingus. Helped, but still pinched and was getting some type of recoil impulse in the trigger. Bought the $70 Apex trigger pad and connector for the flat trigger. 300 rounds later totally reliable on reloads, flat shooting, and you do stay on target. Thanks for an informative video.

[@venomgt7299]

Smith and Wesson all day for me.

[@76NOSAJ]

Good review as I'm considering all three. Thanks

[@kayinvanderkill]

Here’s hoping Smith will surprise us with a true steel frame at Shot Show. Also, you’ll have to do a remix video with the Echelon Comp.

[@TheGentlemanGunner]

@@kayinvanderkill I really want to see that happen as well!

[@kayinvanderkill]

@@TheGentlemanGunner Well I appreciate your work on the channel and hope to see a video on the new PDP Pro-X and maybe even borrow that Grand Power X-Calibur Match MK23 from Humble Marksman? I love my GP X-Cal.

[@TheGentlemanGunner]

@@kayinvanderkill I’m starting to dive more into rotating barrel guns and GPs are high my radar… so we will see

[@mikeburklin2675]

Shadow Systems for me, great gun and easy to work on. Thanks for the great video and your opinion of each. 👍

[@heetukatit90028]

Thanks for the great video, very informative. I own the TTI Combat, and I can confirm it has a noticeable muzzle rise, but it quickly returns to zero. For me, it's a bit of a trade-off. While I'm not a competitive-level shooter, I can shoot accurately at a distance. However, when shooting at speed, it feels like the gun is faster than I am. With more practice and time on the range, I'm confident I'll close that skill gap, but I have other pistols in the same price range that allow me to shoot fast and accurately, even at a distance when needed.

[@chvyeter]

I've got the canik tti and love it so far. Haven't got but maybe 500 rounds through it but I'm definitely in love with the looks and trigger

[@jamesdelong6401]

Good afternoon. 💪🇺🇸💪🍻. I own both the Smith&Wesson M&P carry comp and shadow systems XR920P. So far both like PSA IACC 124 grain ammo and federal syntech defense SJHP 138 grain. I will say this tho. On the shadow models with the non-threaded comp. Make sure you feild strip it 1st and work that latch on the comp with some CLP a few dozen times and CLP the crown of that barrel where it seats into the comp. Cause. HOLY CRAP! I just totally forgot to do that with my XR920P. When I went to field, strip it after 500 rounds. Good lord! That carbon build-up did not want to let go. I actually had to use brake cleaner and spary the lock up section of the barrel to comp to bust up the carbon build-up. So! After cleaning and lubing up, that comps release lever with CLP and working it a few dozen times. 👌 good to go. Next time, I'll remind myself to field strip a new pistol when it's got the same comp design as the shadow systems. Thank God for brake cleaner

[@TheGentlemanGunner]

@@jamesdelong6401 that is fantastic advice!

[@jamesdelong6401]

@TheGentlemanGunner Yes, sir. I've learned from these comps like the shadow systems and others. You best field strip and lube up the lock up point that the barrel seats into the comp. Luckily, the brake cleaner cut thru the HARD crusted up carbon. It didn't take much brake cleaner, just a few 1-second taps. I let it sit for 5 minutes, and the comp level moved over nice, and the barrel popped out. Tell you what. I will not forget to field strip and lube everything before shooting again

[@toddtzm]

@@jamesdelong6401 I have the XR920P since March. Shadow recommends not to try and remove the comp until 100 or 200 rounds. Then use a table edge if necessary to remove the comp.They have a video about it. Works for me.

[@gandtoley]

I own all 3, each has pros and cons. Good we have choices👍

[@3wheelmannc860]

I really like the M&P Non-Metal or Polymer framed 2.0 Comp over the others.

[@UniformLiability]

By far the best at this point in its class for the price

[@tonycariaga2176]

M&P metel comp love mine no issues of any kind 💯

[@strategic-werks]

I had the same slide lock-back issue with my Smith and Wesson Metal Comp and I sent it in to S&W and they got the issue worked out.

[@Sierra_Tango_5]

Should have added an FN 509 XL Edge. :)

[@BA-oy9uo]

just wish the frame on the smiths had texture fully around. and personally unless if it was a steel frame I'd just get a poly framed model.

[@saintmichael753]

Good stuff! You think the XR920P would likely malfunction with Federal HST 124 grain since it had issues with the FMJ version? Also, seeing the Hit Factor data you've shared across all your vids, why do you think the XR920P is among your top performers in the Transitions Drill yet is among the bottom performers for the 25 yard Bill Drill? Attribute it to the unique return to zero that you hadn't warmed up to yet when you ran the Bill Drill maybe? Heard a few folks say that the compensator on the m&p doesn't really do too much. How do you feel? You recently grabbed a radian ramjet? Planning on running your shooting drills with it any time soon? Would be interesting to see how it competes against, say, your macro legion shooting scores.

[@TheGentlemanGunner]

Ammo - That was an interesting malfunction and one I was surprised it had. Typically a feeding issue is related to a few variables… magazines, extractor tension, recoil spring weight and bullet design. Im still perplexed as to why it happened as Fed124 usually feeds in every gun. I’m leaning towards extractor and possibly recoil spring weight largely because it only happened SHO and verified that when I went back to having both hands suggesting it may need a firmer foundation to cycle. As far as your ammo choice, it should feed HSTs… but that could be something I look at in the future. 25yd Bill Drill - I was warmed up and the XR920P wasn’t the first gun I shot on that drill for that particular Day. Typically what that drill exposes is trigger pull weight/quality as well as weight. When guns are on the lighter side they tend to not stabilize as quickly heavier guns can at those distances. As this gun cycles as quick as it does… I recall pulling the trigger as quickly as I saw the sights… I was definitely not slow… but being lighter can cause it to move around more which in turn can be magnified with a trigger pull that you have to put a little more effort into. Radian Ramjet - that is being filmed this week on my G45! M&P Comp feel - in general, nearly ever shooter that says that is going purely on feeling and what they see on their sights yet not quantifying it… largely why I don’t watch most gun channels. The drills that verify comps the best on my channel are the doubles drills (how quickly can I split it while maintaining a 3-4” group) as well as the 25yd Bill drill (how quickly does the gun recover all together). For me, the M&P validation’s showed up on the bill drill especially when I manage to pull out a quick time and get one run with all hits in the down zero zone. So I’m confident the gun’s Comp/Port is doing its job.

[@saintmichael753]

Very interesting, thanks again! 👊 If you ever have the itch to also review the p365 ramjet and/or the Glock Performance Trigger at some point that would be interesting too

[@TheGentlemanGunner]

@@saintmichael753 Ramjet 365 is on my radar!

[@saintmichael753]

👍

[@TheGentlemanGunner]

@@saintmichael753 by the way, thank you for being an awesome Sub! 😎

[@LVbibby]

Good presentation thanks!

[@PerfectFrequency2A]

You forgot about the springfield echelon 4.5f comp lol

[@TonyBShooting]

I’m in between that, the threaded echelon and buy and comp, or the xr920p

[@mannyfreeesh5256]

If my TTI Combat wasn't a jam o' matic I'd probably love it; probably the best trigger in my collection aside from my 1911.

[@awokeone7997]

Always enjoy watching your videos, a lot of good info you can take from them and especially from a actual competition shooter. Do you think the M&P would benefit more using their polymer frame instead of the aluminum with the comp slide, just so the polymer can absorb the recoil better?

[@TheGentlemanGunner]

@@awokeone7997 generally speaking yes… however… I did by an old M&P and it fits on the old lower… so I’m gonna test that theory out!

[@awokeone7997]

​@TheGentlemanGunner I would like to see that comparison because I don't understand why bring a aluminum frame that weighs the same as the polymer one, it's pointless

[@vegassinsation]

Those vortex defender red dots have issues. The refresh rate is slow. I think you should test them with the same red dot.

[@303pewpew]

Mp 2.0 hands down 🙌🙌🙌

[@JohnHyde-bv6jr]

Canik tti has a different lb spring in case that fixes? The ammo issue.

[@dodger_dogg_actual]

Great video brother.

[@christophercoffin6126]

So i did purchase a Canik due to the fact i have heard really good things about them and also the added fact of the Taran factor added some purchase factor to it since it wasn’t one of his expensive glock or 2011 setups for John Wick, I will say i expected with the comp that it would be a very flat shooter but after purchasing a Radian Ramjet/Afterburner for my G19X i can say its not even in the ball game and watching reviews on the shadow systems comp’d guns and they say head to head with Radian that they do even better im looking to purchase one as well. I have to agree with you on the Metal Carry that is is pretty clean looking and i might just have to add it to the collection just for this alone. Thanks for the review and the information passed along.

[@TheGentlemanGunner]

@@christophercoffin6126 I just slapped a Radian on my G45… well I won’t ruin it here… but let’s just say that this “build” I was doing with my beloved G45…warranted to do a review solely on the comp/barrel alone.

[@christophercoffin6126]

When do you plan on posting and reviewing on that?

[@TheGentlemanGunner]

@@christophercoffin6126 within the week

[@christophercoffin6126]

Did you do the guide rod as well or just the Comp barrel system?

[@TheGentlemanGunner]

@@christophercoffin6126 this is going to be broken up into two videos… one just the comp/barrel only (largely because the claim is it will work on a stock Glock) and the other in which I optimize everything… but I’ll be using a lighter fixed rate guide rod

[@stovepipe8966]

Of these brands only , I’d avoid the comps and get a polymer M&P 2.0 optics ready Performance Center Competition . Alloy frames don’t offer anything over poly frames IMO but steel is a different story

[@antesco3224]

I have about 6-7 mags shot through the Shadow and felt that the trigger held this gun back significantly shooting next to the Canik TTI and my older TP9. Honestly, the trigger on the Shadow probably feels the worst of any gun Ive shot and no better than the Glock 43X. Even the 400$ Ruger RXM feels better.

[@BanditApache-nd6lu]

Actually, I didn’t have to make that choice. I was fortunate enough to be able to buy all three the same day. 👍

[@TheGentlemanGunner]

@@BanditApache-nd6lu my man 😎

[@vinhphan86]

I have the same issue with the S&W. I sent it to S&W, they took care of it. They replaced the slide stop.

[@TheGentlemanGunner]

@@vinhphan86 ill probably do this for the 1000rd follow up video. Thank you for the insight

[@xzavierthompson2898]

how long did it take for them to fix and return it to you?

[@josecollazoalvarez4506]

I just bought the XR920P the first 2 mags I have 3 miss loads and 1 time I press the trigger heard the click but dint shoot (I know it could bee the ammo )

[@TristanRiggsOfficial]

Great video!

[@TheGentlemanGunner]

@@TristanRiggsOfficial nice job at A4

[@TristanRiggsOfficial]

@@TheGentlemanGunner thanks man!

[@Tazer120]

Interestingly enough my M&P 2.0 Metal Competition does not move at all with the same performance center trigger. I think it's a Q/A thing myself.

[@andrewfrye1703]

Maybe I'm missing something, in my mind there's no reason for frames that aren't polymer or steel. Steel adds weight to soak up recoil. Polymer adds flex to soak up recoil. Alloy and aluminum frames done seem to add enough weight to make up for the lack of flex in the frame and I've just not had a very good time shooting them. Is there a good reason I'm missing for these frames?

[@TheGentlemanGunner]

@@andrewfrye1703 I think your analysis hits it right on the head. What is interesting is when you goto S&W website and they highlight all the “features” … talking about the frame isn’t really one of them

[@FiringLineShooting]

I love your reviews, But I have to disagree on your comments about the carry comp. I don't think it's fair to chalk it up as a "you" problem and say it's better if you bear down on the grip. All guns are going to shoot better, faster, more consistently the tighter you can squeeze the gun. The Carry Comp leaves something to be desired up front and I believe that issue may be that it is oversprung. I'll have to try messing with the springs, but I was shocked by how much recoil there was and how badly it tracked compared to other guns. I'm hoping this is a spring issue and not just the comp/port being terrible.

[@TheGentlemanGunner]

@@FiringLineShooting I like where you’re going with this. Better way I could’ve described it is… the sensation it gives in recoil leads you think you may not have to grip it as hard… the way you said it makes sense. Where I’ll add a thought is that not every gun in every situation will preform better with a tighter grip… my example is a 2011 at 25 plus yards (perhaps in general with this gun) would do worse with a tighter (as in death squeeze) grip for the reason that you’re overly engaging muscles that in turn create tension. Tension at further distances can disturb the finesse required to hit ideal shots in a competitive setting. This is something a good amount of shooters on the Action Pistol scene constantly work at. For the Carry Comp, the sensation of recoil and sights (while wild, still sensible for me at least) told me biomedical computer I was good until hits verified otherwise. To be fair that is me as a shooter and my only thought is to make it make sense if someone has results similar to mine which I feel confident would be a good number. Regardless, I appreciate the challenge and it gives me other things to think about. If you end up doing anything with the spring tuning, I’d love to hear about and what your feedback is.

[@SelcukUslu-ko8lu]

I will take Canik TTI ,

[@warrenjoseph2605]

I have seen quite a few shadow systems new comps coming off

[@TheGentlemanGunner]

@@warrenjoseph2605 have any videos/links?

[@Mike_Hawkener]

@@TheGentlemanGunnercheck Reddit plenty of barrel lugs where compensator locks up are completely shearing off.

[@TheGentlemanGunner]

Wow, that’s unfortunate…

[@UponGiantsShoulders]

I have had great experiences with Smith customer service, you should have just immediately called them. I build guns, modify guns, and do all the things we enthusiasts do....what we often forget is that sometimes, its just a bad example of the product. Call customer service next time before you even do ANYTHING. This is also a data point. Expectations are their own problem.

[@TheGentlemanGunner]

@@UponGiantsShoulders I’ll look at this two ways. If I were going to use this gun for more than my channel… I don’t disagree that reaching out to S&W would have been ideal. The other perspective is as a content creator. I want to present options other than just send it in for warranty, especially if it is minor and solvable. Making other shooters aware of challenges and what to look for can alleviate some short-term frustration.

[@damelicious]

Smith&Wesson is the way to go. Already got burned on Canik's QC, so no more caniks for me. SS misses the value and MP9 is just sooo gorgeous.

[@Aviation_Professional]

In your opinion, looking for my 1st 2011 purchase below 2k, any ideas would be appreciated based on your experience?

[@TheGentlemanGunner]

@@Aviation_Professional the sub 2k 2011 market seems to be growing these days! I haven’t reviewed enough of them to give you a solid recommendation aside from the Prodigy (which they seem to have made improvements in initial quality and reliability). I’ll give you a general direction to consider… Prodigy, Fusion Firearms XP Pro, Bul Armory, and Stealth Arms

[@MarvinTurner-oc4ml]

I have the Bul Armory EDC and two Stealth Arms Platypii. I can happily recommend either, but if you want to just get a good gun and not wait half a year for it to be built go for Bul Armory. If you navigate to their website and click the "Notify Me" button on the model you want, they will in fact send you an email as soon as they have some to sell. You have to be quick in responding - I was on the website 10 minutes after receiving an email and they had already sold out of the EDC Pro 4.25" guns. So I got the non-ported version and I am really happy with it. Good luck!

[@Mattys556]

​@@MarvinTurner-oc4mlugh... I love bul Armory. Just got the new ported pro.....Amazballs.

[@hopewilliams6705]

Heck yeah

[@jwtactical443]

I bought the XR920p and the CR920px because of the positive reviews on KZbin. These weapons are very disappointing. So much so that I will be selling them very soon. I'm ashamed to own them and disgusted at the thought of them.

[@TheGentlemanGunner]

@@jwtactical443 mind if I ask for a little more detail?

[@rnash-shannon9304]

Why?

[@jwtactical443]

@TheGentlemanGunner Both pistols have poor fit. When racking the slide, it feels like it's grinding the frame. The recoil is snappy despite being comped. The frame feels like a toy. The frame is very thin and light. The groupings at 25 yards is horrible. It looks like two different groups within the same string (one left and one right). This was experienced by two competitive shooters and myself.

[@jwtactical443]

@rnash-shannon9304 Both pistols have poor fit. When racking the slide, it feels like it's grinding the frame. The recoil is snappy despite being comped. The frame feels like a toy. The frame is very thin and light. The groupings at 25 yards is horrible. It looks like two different groups within the same string (one left and one right). This was experienced by two competitive shooters and myself.

[@TheGentlemanGunner]

@@jwtactical443 dang… that’s quite the experience… but I appreciate you sharing and hopefully you’re onto bigger things Also… cool footage of Sonoma… raced there a while back.

[@ricardomiles6826]

TTI for me

[@Patriotx-gx4ce]

M&P is getting a lot off hype do to porting and trigger amongst ease of carry. I got MR920 Elite and have not regret it. Super light and Glock with all works done to it without spenind thousands for custom shops.

[@charles17508]

Lol so glock 19 with afterburner wins

[@simpslayer6299]

Yes it wins 🏆 the crap trigger of the year award again! Congratulations 🎊

[@bobbygrey7905]

I would buy M&P. On my opinion it is first American good looking gun. Not Turkish , Not German, not Austrian, not Italian. First of all, why I've put attention to this model at all? Because it's external design. It is beautiful. Secondly It has adjustable grips which are not flat but round and fill the hand so from 4 of it I can choose right for me. I am not sportsmen I need gun for selfdefence for everyday carry and this copmact is what i need. I've married beatufull wooman insted of ugly because I see her more tnan use😁 Glok is most ugly handgun I've ever seen or touch in my hands.

[@dalecharles811]

Take home none of those, Walther PDP Pro C blows all 3 away

[@ryant5652]

Just sold mine. Wasn't impressed. It's good to have options though since people like different things.

[@leftyo9589]

2 compensators, 1 ported.

[@TheGentlemanGunner]

@@leftyo9589 if we’re being specific… 2 ported

[@bpri9880]

This seems to me as a shadow systems promotion video with two other guns mentioned.

[@fotofavoloso267]

TTI-all the way…….the trigger and ergonomics are superior to the other two.

[@Gun_Dork]

Not the precious.

[@TheGentlemanGunner]

@@Gun_Dork dude… 🤣🤣🤣

[@aaronfarnsworth7653]

Sounds almost like a merge of Zathras and Gollum. We all search for precious! lol

[@rurouniad]

Unfortunately none of these are particularly interesting to me… Let me explain. Current competition rule sets limits these guns to idpa. Outside of that well you would arguably buy the one that is “most reliable”. This is not to say that none of these are usable. If you put the money in my bank account and made me choose? Maybe the shadow systems? Because I have plenty of Glock mags. But in terms of “interesting” I would consider the m&p and the TTI more interesting. A part of me wants the Canik TTI just so people can be upset how I would support someone who is a womanizer. It’s a potential truth serum purchase, and that’s very interesting to me. Plus I imagine if I get a good one I’d be happy with it.

[@TheGentlemanGunner]

@@rurouniad it surprises me that USPSA goes the way it does… but I can so locally it opened it to more dudes shooting competition with whatever Gucci Glock build (typically comp’d)… and then go buy something for USPSA. Alright… onto the Radian comp now 😂

[@rurouniad]

@@TheGentlemanGunner the counter point is “real life is open division” or something…..something I “sorta” agree with. This was a very good video. If I had 900 and an IDPA match local to me I think that I couldn’t go wrong. Specifically with the TTI. I would be interested in this gun and how it compare to the metal rival as in my squirrel brain these guns are competing against each other. I’ll probably watch this video another 2-3x as I am busy doing storm prep for Milton….eeww. So expect more comments.

[@TheGentlemanGunner]

@@rurouniad you be safe out there my dude!

[@zubairloonat3248]

Echelon comp

[@garrettbarbosa4982]

Canik TTI ALL DAY