#TheHorseman

[@johnwalker5622]

2013/14 is better on so many levels. 1) Better looking rear endby far, painted side skirts. 2) More power, one piece DS, larger intercoolers 3) First GT500 to reach 200mph 4) First GT500 to get away from gas tax, 26 mpg hwy. 5) Last GT500 Shelby rode in. 6) Better suspension, not a push pig like 07-12. 7) Needs nothing the way it came from factory. Just polishing Gold if you add to it. 8) Track apps and on the fly suspension tuning. 9) Last GT500 with a manual

[@TheHorseman351]

Speaking facts brother

[@midnight347]

But you're paying ALOT more money up front. All those things are easy to address on a 5.4 car with all the money you save not going with the 5.8. It's not that different its the same car that was upgraded from the factory basically but things like suspension are easy to upgrade to not only factory 13-14 level but beyond. If you have a hard on for a stock car it comes better equipped. If you're upgrading either one the 5.4 makes way more sense especially if a blower swap is planned regardless. When they're running the same blower, pulley combo and supporting mods the power isn't much different. The 5.8 make more torque but considering the price difference the difference in performance isn't enough imo. To each their own. I like the earlier underdog cars I call them because people who don't know these cars think they're far inferior when they aren't at all.

[@Mookie819]

​@midnight347 plus it's a 20k difference most low mileage 13-14 start at 58k but the 11-12 with the same mileage start at 40k

[@thastinger345]

And last year's for convertible

[@5ohJ]

Seems like most like the boss 302 over the gt500 especially boosted

[@Blazerghost]

From what I see is that the 5.4 to me is better especially if you window the block it’s gonna be easier and cheaper to replace. It makes very similar power with similar upgrades and is a lower compression which is gonna extend the life of the engine in the long run.

[@TheHorseman351]

Yes it just depends on what you wanna do. If you sleave the 5.8 then your really golden!

[@chasefrum2901]

@@TheHorseman351 5.8 cannot be sleeved. Only way they got the addition displacement was to do a spray in sleeve.

[@TheHorseman351]

@Chase Frum really? L&m told me they can sleeve them. Maybe I misunderstood

[@BC08]

@@chasefrum2901 5.8 can be sleeved

[@BC08]

Why would the 11/12 block bet cheaper than the 13/14? Other than bore diameter, 8 tiny drill holes, and more deck cut off the 5.8 the 11/12 and 13/14 blocks are 100% identical. They are the same exact casting

[@jeffsmith6485]

I don’t know if it’s worth it to spend the extra money on the 13-14, seems like it’d be better to just put the money into the 11-12 car.

[@TheHorseman351]

Ya, just depends on how heavily you plan on modding it.

[@BC08]

2.3 TVS, upgraded heat exchanger, and single piece driveshaft the 11/12 will be within 30-35 rwhp of the 13/14 pulley for pulley and the motor will have a wider tuning window. Plus the 11/12 will actually be faster because of the gearing differences Edit: * Quicker

[@clevlandblock]

You guys ever think of investment potential? 13-14s were Shelby's last cars.

[@vondeezl2961]

It still wouldn't BE a 13 - 14' my friend 🤔 far more differences than most people realize (as he highlighted here) If it's just power numbers you're after, cool, but you can still mod the 13 - 14's as well.

[@HDR20]

10s get no love and are cheaper than the 11-14 with same style

[@biffclaven3798]

5.4 is tough as nails

[@TheHorseman351]

Agreed

[@searaydrivingguy]

The 2014 is the top one, but for the $20k extra your spending, you can take that money and build a 2011 or 2012 you can create your own personal beast, and enjoy even more than a stock 13/14, but 2011 to 2014 you can not go wrong with any of them.

[@TheHorseman351]

@@searaydrivingguy facts brother!!

[@cobramanphil]

The 13-14 is just better equipped. Sure you can mod either car and get similar results, but you can do that with any car. TBH..I'd just find and old fox body, drop in a stroked 351W (390)..add a blower of choice and go racing if the discussion between the 11-12 and 13-14 is about cost. For many 13-14 owners it is about collect-ability and deep diving with major mods is not the goal as you can go faster for cheaper by avoiding a Shelby in the first place. With basic bolt ons the 13-14 will be faster simply because it is better equipped from the start. Both cars are nice..nothing wrong with either.

[@josephwashington6658]

Car looks great. I have a 12. Love the video's. Keep them coming. I love to see your car at a car show. And that beast looks good to. The one at the beginning of your video.

[@TheHorseman351]

Thanks man!

[@virginiahomes319]

Great video

[@TheHorseman351]

Thank you!!

[@jakeberger5946]

Hey Daniel, I notice you were chasing some knock. I know the car is gone now (rip) but did the E85 solve your knock issues or did they continue on?

[@TheHorseman351]

Hey Jake! First of all thanks for subscribing and e85 did help but for some reason I would still get some false knock every now and then.

[@jakeberger5946]

@@TheHorseman351 Just ran e85 in mine for the first WOT pull with Lund... WHO'S CAR IS THIS?! NOT MINE. MINE WAS SLOW. loll holy hell does this wake up with a 2.4 and "SBO" (some boltons as Alex from Lund calls it) No positive knock these last few pulls. Hoping it stays that way.

[@TheHorseman351]

@@jakeberger5946 heck yea man!! Thats awesome!!

[@anthonylaudano9751]

NICE CAR MAN IAM A FOX BODY GUY BUT IAM ALSO A SHELBY GUY LOL I HAVE A 07 SHELBY GT AND MY 08 GT500 AND MY 07 427 EDITION CONVERTABLE SUPERSNAKE AND MY 2010 KENNY BELL GRABBER BLUE SUPERSNAKE.

[@anthonylaudano9751]

I ALSO HAVE HEARD GOOD AND BAD WITH BOTH MOTORS.I HAVEN'T HAD ANY ISSUES WITH MY 08 GT500 AND THAT CAR HAS 850HP AND MY 427 EDITION SUPERSNAKE HAS 650HP NO ISSUES AND I HEARD A LOT OF HATE FOR MY 2010 AND THAT CAR HAS CLOSE TOO 900HP AND NOT ONE ISSUE BUT MY SUPERSNAKES HAVE REALLY LOW MILES AND MY 08 HAS ONLY 3 THOUSAND ORIGINAL MILES NOT ONE ISSUE LOL I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HEARD THE SAME FOR THE 13 14 ONCE YOU TRY TO MAKE BIG POWER AND YOU GET KNOCKING OUT OF THE MOTOR. BUT HONESTLY I KNOW BOTH CAR'S CAN MAKE 850 WHEEL WITH THE PROPER TUNE.I LOVE THE 07 09 RETRO LOOKING SUPER SNAKES AND I PLAN ON SELLING MY TERMINATOR FOR A 07 09 GRABBER ORANGE SUPER SNAKE.

[@johnwalker5622]

The 5.8 is better, but they are both good.

[@midnight347]

"Better" is subjective. Do they make more power when all things are equal? Yes but not by much. They make more torque and do it on slightly less boost all things equal but when it comes to modding and pushing one to the max the 5.4 holds up as good or even better than the 5.8. And when you consider the money spent on each I'm not so sure the 5.8 is better for the money spent. But technically it is a better engine. More displacement and slightly better cams. But push comes to shove power is comparable when they are running the exact same setup, same pulley same everything the 5.8 will make more torque on slightly less boost but for the money spent imo the 5.4 is a better value. They're both great but the 5.4 is just as good when it comes to modding them just doesn't come as well equipped oem. They're pretty comparable though both having tr6060, both having 800+ rwhp capable long blocks, both make mad torque especially compared to a coyote based engine. If you wanna keep the car stock or mostly stock I can see the 13 being a better choice but if you're going to mod it anyways and plan a blower swap and suspension mods etc etc the 5.4 makes alot more sense imo for the money.

[@StevenNeidlein]

​@midnight347 not to mention you can get the vmp blower slap it on that 11-12 and get more and smash that 5.8

[@mikehawk120]

The 11`s were the last to have a glass roof too.

[@TheHorseman351]

My new 13 shelby has a glass roof

[@ron4413]

@@TheHorseman351 My 14 has a glass roof.

[@shanefowler9443]

@@ron4413 my 11 doesn't 😿

[@midnight347]

11 was the first gt500 to have it available but it was available through the 2014.

[@mikehawk120]

@@midnight347 hmmm, maybe. I thought it was only 11/12 for the 500`s?

[@stevenbryan7940]

There is no engine difference!!! That's okay though horsemen we all live and learn you have it A awesome car none the less!!

[@TheHorseman351]

There's definitely a difference in the bore. That's why it has more cubic inch.

[@clevlandblock]

Gee. Let's see. Oh yeah...the 13-14 is what you want.

[@stevenbryan7940]

You are aware of most of the differences however there is no difference in the block

[@TheHorseman351]

Sorry buddy. But there is a difference. The bore is different. That's why it's a 5.8 not a 5.4 they did it with bore instead of stroke.

[@stevenbryan7940]

Hey horseman you don't know what you're talking about regarding the engine.... on the differences!!!

[@TheHorseman351]

Lol okay 👍I'm sure I'm not.

[@stevenbryan7940]

There's no difference whatsoever in the engine block only the size of the blower you're wrong

[@TheHorseman351]

Your wrong my friend there is a difference. The bore is bigger, that's why it's a 5.8 not a 5.4

[@stevenbryan7940]

@@TheHorseman351 The engine's are identical they come from the same plant the same line. The difference is one has a 1.9 l blower and 1 has a 2.3 l blower thus is the promoted difference between the 5.4 and the 5.8, is the rating. And and you are correct about many other modifications. Carol Shelby was lost and gone forever in 2012 the 2013 and 2014 where his last project it was the true 200 mile an hour Version but the motor is the exact same motor. Call ford they will verify it! Exact same dwell in all the cams the exact same bore and stroke, the motors are no different!

[@stevenbryan7940]

It's the Romeo Engine plant, the Niche Line!! Electric Power Steering!! Exact Same Motor, Aluminum Block. Only one hundred and twelve horsepower separate the two engines Power configurations!! 550 H.P. VS 662 H.P. !! Everything is identical, why would Ford Build a "cubic inch upgrade" of approximately 28 in. to such an expensive motor? There are approximately 61.3 ci. in. to a liter so do the math? What is the difference between the 5.4 and the 5.8 liters... how many cubic inches to a liter??? It's OK, but the blowers are the difference, The gearing is the difference, the cooling is the difference!! It creates one hundred and twelve additional factory S.A.E. horsepower!!!!

[@TheHorseman351]

@Steven Bryan sorry but it's not the same bore that's why it's a 5.8 not 5.4

[@TheHorseman351]

@Steven Bryan same stroke yes but the bore is different. Why would they call it a 5.8 then if the cubic inch was the same?