It Should've Been Jaune Instead of Pyrrha

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[@alviabtahi5440]

The whole "Cinder needed to beat Pyrhha to be an established threat" is even funnier when you consider that she already beat Ozpin. The volume even establishes earlier how strong the headmasters could be with Ironwood. So Cinder's last big obstacle being some random student instead of Headmaster Oz, who was shoruded in so much mystery makes even less sense.

[@xxhaxonxx8345]

Yeah, beating pyrrha was impressive, but as good as she is, she’s a student, the mere idea Cinder could surpass Ozpin was enough to place her as a threat

[@calebkelly8221]

A huntress who surpassed metal gears.... ⚙️

[@calebkelly8221]

​@@xxhaxonxx8345cool fight tho

[@kidprime6863]

​@@xxhaxonxx8345And yet, they don't show us Cinder surpassing Ozpin.

[@xxhaxonxx8345]

@@kidprime6863 To me it actually made it more impactful. I know off-screen deaths suck sometimes, but when I first watched I thought Cinder murdered him so badly they couldn't even show it because how brutal it was Then came Oscar and that confirmed my assumptions, Indeed, Oz wasn't just Missing in action, He got wrecked hard and had to be reincarnated

[@kaialexander6806]

Pyrrha surviving also has the added benefit - from a writing standpoint - of thousands of Remnant citizens having seen her kill Penny live on TV. She was already a little famous so her then having seemingly killed another student during the Vytal Festival and that seeming to have been the catalyst for the Grim invasion would definitely make her a pariah. It would turn the theme of celebrity on its head; before, everyone thought she was too perfect and didn't really see her as a human being, but now people see her as a monster. She never gets to be just Pyrrha.

[@declanmckenna6854]

I could only imagine how she would have been treated during the Atlas Arc and also imagine if Penny didn't immediately come back at the start of 7, but instead came back during the mid-season finale.

[@brleise2942]

@@declanmckenna6854 Imagine how bad it would be if Pyrrha then had to kill Penny again at the end of the season

[@LazyNinja421]

I like the idea of his sisters having this almost Nurse Joy role where there happens to be at least one of them in every city they visit and they all help Pyrrah out in some way or another

[@RedEveTillDawn]

I love that idea

[@ObsoletePerson]

I think that's a funny idea but it'd be hard to take seriously. It'd feel contrived for the party to encounter one of Jaune's sisters everywhere they go. It'd be like the Merchant from 'Resident Evil 4'.

[@RedEveTillDawn]

@@ObsoletePerson I feel like it’s okay for one off characters to be like that because they’re not as important to the story so they’re the only characters who can do such a thing. Plus seven older sisters, I can imagine they’d be spread out across the world except maybe minagre? (Blake’s home I forgot how to spell it) It’s also nice to think each interaction with a sister would help Pyrrha past her grief

[@emberthecatgirl8796]

@@ObsoletePersonNo, you could’ve just thrown in a mention “Oh, all my older sisters moved out already, it’s tradition that the youngest gets to keep the household. Because of that, there’s at least one Arc I know in every major settlement on Remnant.” And then Pyrrha just gets approached by blonde women in Mistral, Argus, Mantle, etc.

[@deadpoolchimichangas7111]

Honestly that would be way more interesting and intense for Pyrrha. I can imagine Pyrrha getting revenge on trying to kill Cinder in volume 5

[@changingpeopleslivesmoon2993]

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[@falconeshield]

I'm still pissed Ruby didn't leave her home to avenge her sister against Adam. The motivation was RIGHT THERE.

[@deadpoolchimichangas7111]

@@falconeshield for real, but yet again I don’t think Ruby knew the leader of the white fang. Heck I don’t think she even knew Adam besides Blake and Yang. Maybe Weiss.

[@ag.gibler6010]

@@falconeshield Maybe she didn’t know about Adam cutting Yang's arm off? Since we’re never show if Yang or anyone else told Ruby about how Yang lost her arm?

[@bamby7766]

it would have played out the exact same way

[@DinoDave150]

That "Jaune's mechanic sister building Yang an arm" is honestly a really great idea.

[@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr]

Yang's arm being made from Jaune's sword and shield could also be a passing of torch where Yang surpasses her mother with friends help instead of it being a shitty girl boss fantasy.

[@joshquatch2980]

This also just fits better with the figures they are based on. Joan of Arc was burned at the stake, and Achilles was enraged and motivated by the death of his lover to fight. Jaune gets incinerated by Cinder (maybe even pretending to be Pyrrha like Patroclus pretended to be Achilles), and then Pyrrha is motivated by his death and her unresolved feelings about him to try and get revenge on Cinder. It was all right there.

[@mimicrymwot]

And also additionally fits Pyrrha's secondary inspiration. Her name is an obvious play on Pyrrhic victory, which is widely understood as 'victory at the unacceptable cost'. This does kinda fit 'the cost is your death', sure, but even more so 'the cost is something that you value more than anything else'. Like, say, your best friend.

[@MhEahStopmotionTv]

Spoiler ig: this would also make sense for the white knight arch jaune do Pyrrha pretending to be the white knight carrying jaune shield and badass to see Pyrrha in white

[@thomascochran7907]

I think people forgot that RWBY doesn’t just make fairy tails inspired characters, it specifically makes inversions of them. Ruby is little red riding hood but she kills big bad wolves. Black is beauty that is also a beast and grown to hate somebody she loved. Ironwood and Lionheart are the tin man if he did loose his heart and the cowardly Lion if he wasn’t courageous deep down. Similarly, Jaune is Joan of arc that wasn’t burned but seeks vengeance for his love, while Pyrrha is Achilles that is burned instead of her love and puts his Patroclus in a tent instead.

[@mimicrymwot]

@@thomascochran7907 except when it doesn't: Sun is basically just Sun Wukong as is, Nora is pretty much Thor in skirt.

[@thomascochran7907]

@@mimicrymwot To be fair Sun Wukong and Thor are less defined by certain story beats. And while it’s not really a inversion Sun takes a journey to the east. Kinda weak but still there.

[@stormy_person7530]

I know going into fairy tale inspirations isn't _too_ important for early RWBY (but god is it important later on) but having the character based on _Joan of Arc_ become revenge-motivated after his best friend/love interest dies and having the character based on _Achilles_ become the postmortem inspiration to do good and inspire the heroes is kinda ironic huh. I know it's pretty unlikely given the age rating but it would have been _extremely_ cathartic to see Pyrrha lash Cinder's corpse to the back of a bullhead and fly it around Salem's castle like Achilles does to Hector.

[@sev1120]

Or hell, in the Haven fight have Pyrrha in a complete blind rage, focused solely on Cinder to the point of leaving herself open, screaming out in fury as she attacks with reckless abandon, with nothing on her mind except to tear Cinder apart. It would legitimate be terrifying for the characters to see someone who's normally so calm and composed, just frothing at the mouth and screaming about ripping their target to pieces

[@thomascochran7907]

I think people forgot that RWBY doesn’t just make fairy tails inspired characters, it specifically makes inversions of them. Ruby is little red riding hood but she kills big bad wolves. Black is beauty that is also a beast and grown to hate somebody she loved. Ironwood and Lionheart are the tin man if he did loose his heart and the cowardly Lion if he wasn’t courageous deep down. Similarly, Jaune is Joan of arc that wasn’t burned but seeks vengeance for his love, while Pyrrha is Achilles that is burned instead of her love and puts his Patroclus in a tent instead.

[@aj.hardwick]

Holy crap i love the "dead Juane's sister makes yangs arm" idea so much, cuz not only does it have way more emotion like you suggested, but it also takes away one of the big things that makes it make 0 sense that the girls done trust Ironwood. It doesnt solve the Ironwood problems by a longshot, but it would go at least some way to mitigating the issue that they have been given so many reasons to trust him and none not to by at least taking away one of those reasons.

[@myeyesdontbreathe3555]

I feel like Jaune's death would be so much more effective than Pyrrha's for another reason. With Cinder vs Pyrrha, it was two equally strong opponents in an intense fight for survival. Jaune vs Cinder would be so brutal, watching this scared little kid try in vain to fight Cinder, inevitably being completely overwhelmed and killed. It would be less of a fight and more of a murder.

[@marocat4749]

Ot jaune awakens his semblence but still dies. Plus maybe pyrra is weaker and got beaten by cinder, because she thought not about herself and jaune did save her, and she has to , jaune can awaken his semblence and shine and die.

[@thekingmaker2159]

The show was purposely crippling him. His fucking semblance is Aura Amplification.

[@Zerochroma15]

@@marocat4749 Exactly, give him a semblance powerful enough that he is able to hold his own against Cinder for a little bit before he is overwhelmed and killed. It would also give the audience the idea "If Jaune had survived and had time to train and develop his semblance, imagine how powerful he could have been"

[@cane-mixed-soda2271]

I am personally a big fan of this idea cuz than jaune's death could mimick that of the actual joan of arc. They both got "burned"

[@Grendallmayo]

In my eyes, this would've even made the Ever After arc more interesting. the idea of Pyrrha slowly building up her identity outside of the perfect hero, only to be hurtled back in time and desperately protect the Paper Pleasers, clinging back onto the perfect hero identity, would've ruled to see.

[@justinn8541akaDrPokemon]

It would make the constant screne time in volume 1 and 2 more justifiable.

[@falconeshield]

He'd have become the Aerith of the show. Prryha...I loved her but she's barely there even in the og show.

[@justinn8541akaDrPokemon]

@@falconeshieldHer having more screen time would really make her feel more of a badass.

[@ethans9379]

@@falconeshield eh, not really. I get the feeling that Jaune didn't really get many fans in the early seasons, and season 3 death would only cement that. Plus, I find it hard to believe that the people of Remnant would see Jaune as some great hero in the same way as they canonically do for Pyrrha. But it is an interesting AU idea nonetheless

[@BeetleTricks411]

What I disliked most about the statue was the fact that IMMEDIATELY AFTER they went back home, RATHER than search for Oscar more

[@eldeadkilljohnkennedy3946]

imagine at some point RWBY Volume 10 or reboot comes out Ruby Rose will be pregnant. She probably do the deed with someone after Salem and the others are defeated. Tyrion gets shot in the head by the punisher.

[@Trixster009]

The only real flaw with this is that it centers too much of Pyrrha's character around Jaune. Maybe if the shows gives her more than just Jaune or secrets, it could balance out.

[@GTGAMERZ]

i was rolling my eyes at the concept, until i heard your explanation. Its such a good idea! And i like the jaun sisters showing up, especially the mechanic giving yang her arm. It fleshes out the world more organically, and it makes the arm more personal (was hoping Yang would say something to Ironwood when she saw him but that never happened 🙁 )

[@valeriedure2341]

pyrrha and weiss would be such a good dynamic is this au

[@flanthief]

You're point about a lot of rwby consisting on peoples head cannons is something i have felt for a long time and feels so similar to the harry potter fandom. Which is double funny because rwby is heavily inspired by HP

[@shadymoustafa93]

Know what a good callback would be? Jaune using the rocketlocker on Pyrrha after learning the trick from Cardin (sure the lockers are metallic but maybe he could have used his shield to block the door (a Cardin callback in a Cardin callback? Go me !)). That'd be cool and funny

[@CinnaSloth]

You see, Critter, the only problem with having team Rwby meet more of the Arc sisters in Rwby proper is that it would have been a great idea and incredible story writing. We all know Rt was deathly allergic to great ideas and good writing. Someone in WB probably brought this amazing idea into the boardroom and because Rt was SO allergic in fact, they died as a company. Having any sort of introspection, wholesome dialogue between team members, family relationships, or any kind of emotion beside gasping and standing around for entire scenes at a time was far too difficult beyond jaune being a broody crybaby mf. Having family speak to another member of the main cast?! You're asking too much. lol

[@duckgooseyswan]

And maybe, just like with the Fixing RWBY show, Pyrrha might have a small portion of Amber’s Fall Maiden powers inside her. This would have her Maiden powers lay dormant for a while and have it awaken in Volume 5’s big battle. And having Cinder realized that she was not powerful than she thought, because there was a piece of it missing would make her more power hungry than before. Having that said, now the two “Fall Maidens” would become enemies with different motivations to get the power they desired. Cinder wants to be the Fall Maiden for power, and Pyrrha needs to be the Fall Maiden to protect her friends, her family, and avenge Jaune.

[@retrox2776]

Jaune dying could also be some twisted Karma as to why you shouldn't cheat since he cheated his way into beacon and paid the price for not being prepared 🤷‍♂️

[@Cain1134]

I can get behind that. The fact Jaune had to cheat his way into Beacon is what frustrates me about his character.

[@stickthelanding4785]

Well Ruby is shown to be closer to jaune than Pyrrha and was given more screen time. So his death does give a more of an impact compared to pyrah’s.

[@DeDuppio_111]

Ngl,At first seeing the Thumbnail , you had me like "You are smoking CRACK!". But watching and think about it, I'm sold...

[@mosesmm5473]

I don't hate Jaune or his screen time in RWBY, but here's an enjoyable idea for this storyline: Jaune, uses his tactical skills and aura to support Pyrrha in battle despite her pleas for him to flee, promising he won't abandon her. Their teamwork holds promise, especially with news of Ruby's arrival. However, Cinder Fall soon overpowers them. She swats Pyrrha aside and fatally wounds Jaune, mocking his hero dreams as he bleeds out, with Ruby arriving just in time to see him die. Pyrrha is devastated. Jaune was her first true friend, who liked her for who she was, and his death shatters her. Consumed by grief, she isolates herself, determined to fight alone to prevent others from getting hurt. She uses her resources to travel to Haven Academy ahead of Team RWBY, arriving early in volume 4. She confronts Headmaster Lionheart, declaring herself the 'True Fall Maiden' and demanding help to find Cinder, whom she despises for Jaune's death. Lionheart, uneasy with Pyrrha's fury, assigns her dangerous missions, hoping they might kill her. But Pyrrha excels, her survival adding to his worries. Meanwhile, her reputation suffers. The public sees her as a nearly lethal competitor who almost killed Penny, unaware Penny was an android. Pyrrha's guilt over Jaune and Penny's deaths drives her to take on the most perilous missions, further tarnishing her image. Pyrrha's relentless presence pressures Lionheart, leading to the villains accelerating their plans. When Team RWBY finally arrives, they find Pyrrha changed-more brutal and unyielding. Ruby, Ren, and Nora work to reconnect with her, showing her she doesn't have to fight alone. Ruby, in particular, reaches out, absolving her of blame for Penny's fate and urging her to honor Jaune's memory by not throwing her life away, and being the hero that he wanted to be, and that means letting people in, and not letting grief and rage consume her. As they join her on missions, Team RWBY witnesses Pyrrha's transformation. Her fighting style is now ruthless and aggressive, her weapons upgraded with parts of Jaune's Crocea Mors.

[@skytiger215]

Why can't we have this version, it's so good! I've always loved this idea more. It's typical of the mentor figure to die, so I always thought it'd be more interesting for the student to die and instead the mentor would have to live with the fact that they let their student down and weren't good enough in a different way.

[@Madhattergirl122]

I wish that they both lived because my headcannon (and to be honest is possibly what the writers may have been going for) was that when Pyrrha kissed Jaune he realised just how much he cared for her and that he had a girl who loved him for him, none of his ridiculous antics or his brave face just who he was and that's what upsets me. Also seeing people who saw her tear a girl apart no matter what she would have said they wouldn't believe her (her team obviously would) but she said about being put on a pedestal and people thinking that she was untouchable to then seeing her as a killer. They might think that what they saw before of her was all an act and her true colours were of a ruthless and unforgiving warrior

[@frogradar]

Also, Jaun being Joan of Arc really would have sold home the "Burned at the stake" thing. Pyyrah died because Cinder turned her to ash. Joan of arc died because she was accused of being a witch and burned alive.

[@blue-and-kai]

i see the title and go: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHY WOULD YOU SAY THAT JUST SAVE THEM BOTH

[@NoHandle44]

I really hope that someone buys Rooster Teeth and reboots the series. But I don't know how I feel about waiting ANOTHER 10 years for the series.

[@zucchinasoup4011]

If Jaune die in Pyrrha place it have a much better play out of a broken Pyrrha seeking vengeance... Blaming key people (cough Ozpin/ Qrow/ Ironwood/ Cinder..) One work power...just giving to her and that it... Take a innocent life to keep power safe????.

[@TheTolnoc]

Okay, but imagine Pyrrha showing off her new gear to Ruby, modified with the remains of Jaune's equipment added in. As it is, Jaune got a bit of magnetic dust to emulate Pyrrha's semblance, but Jaune didn't have one at the time. Just a lot of Aura and a Dark Souls sword n' board. Imagine her building up her armory, keeping it light with her semblance as she symbolically carries the weight... And then Ruby teases her about the hoodie, which she says she brought because Jaune mentioned eating the cereal that gave away the hoodie as a box top prize. "I had a dozen of them sitting around from the promotion, so I figured it'd be good for when it got cold out."

[@dalek4463]

IT SHOULD’VE BEEN ME NOT HIM! IT’S NOT FAIR-

[@mercury2157]

I agree, not for the sake of narrative or emotional weight, but because I just really fucking hate Jaune

[@monkeyboy6857]

Honestly, I actually do feel like Jaune was a good character to keep instead of Pyrhha because Pyrhha was already a strong and independent character and she was definitely the best of the best. But having her be a death made it very much a strong start for Jaune’s growth into a “Knight in Shining Armor”

[@trolledfordrip]

one day i will get the fanfic thats just cinder getting whats coming to her one day but not today

[@HittingBandy]

I did not watch the video yet, but here's my take on this. It should definitely have been Pyrrha. I hated the argument that the moment Pyrrha's plotline finished was when she kissed Jaune, hence why she is killed off. No, that's not how characters work. Or even how people work. Pyrrha throughout the show has been either the perfect golden girl or the love interest of Jaune, and while there certainly was something going for her when she explained to Jaune how isolated she was during Vol 2's dance scene, there basically was nothing else going for her. If Pyrrha lived on past the fall of Beacon, we could have seen how she would react now to many other things besides being displayed on top of a podium, heck if RT did allow her to get the other half of the maiden powers, we could have a character growth of her growing as a maiden to beat up Cinder, a total "If you did not have these powers, I would have beaten you back then" moment. Also why it should have been Jaune for me, it would have been a good way to end his character arc ngl. Guy wanted to be a huntsman to be a hero, he, even with all the odds against him, somehow enters Beacon, gets strong enough to enter the Vytal Festival, dies saving the literal celebrity huntress, and is then promptly praised as a hero. I'll remove this comment if Judgement Critter covers my topics. Aight finishing the video, I did not realize how much I was missing out on with this. I didn't expect you to cover Jaune's sisters as emotional bumps instead of RT randomly throwing mystery girl at us. Heck, going into even more rewriting territory, we could have had Jaune name drop a sister being a huntress herself, and then have team RWBY promptly meet up with said sister later on, with Pyrrha being noticeably distressed by how much Jaune's sister looks like him/ressembles an ideal version of him, or that she still blames herself for Jaune's death.

[@virgilbarrios3174]

Also, the whole point of the Fall of Beacon was to destabilize and (more importantly) demoralize the world. Killing the world renowned athlete and 4 time Champion does more damage than killing some kid from the sticks.

[@chrisdiokno5600]

Apparently Pyrrha was always meant to die. Originally Jaune rather than Pyrrha would watch her die

[@HittingBandy]

@@chrisdiokno5600 I wonder what made RT not make Jaune watch Pyrrha die, like it would give so much more context on why Jaune hates Cinder's guts instead of Pyrrha kissing him then dying, and in his perspective, to Cinder off screen.

[@chrisdiokno5600]

@@HittingBandy Probably dont wannt a female to die for the sake of a male?

[@lightningstrxu]

I will respectfully disagree that Jaune having an emotional outburst at seeing cinder again isn't odd cause him and pyrrha were just friends, pyrrha was jaune's partner and confidant for what's implied to be about 6 months (rwby is always very vague on timelines, one of my more major gripes with the show) I love my friends a lot and would definitely get very emotional if I were suddenly confronted with someone who had killed them.

[@taiga738]

Finally, a Jaune dies AU that isn't just about being fed up with how he was written. Jaune is far from the only character with writing problems, so I never really got why he got singled out as a character to get rid of over rewriting to get better use out of him. I feel like more could've been done with the schools before things escalated to the point that they did, so expanding on that would likely change things a lot by the time the fall of Beacon happens. You could absolutely make a version where neither die. A lot of tragedy happens in other ways. One of the things you can do with both of them alive would be Pyrrha dealing with having just the faintest traces of the maiden powers and Cinder having it out for her over it. You could have conflict between how she and Jaune feel about the whole maiden and secrets situation and how that affects their team while they work through it. Also Pyrrha meeting Penny again.

[@Pomoriee]

I always think about how much I love RWBY in high school but how it was also one of the first shows where I could see a major decline in quality. Her death really felt like one of the first signs of the aforementioned decline.

[@prim8512]

If Jaune got unalive to cinders fire then that would fulfilled the Joan of arc story thing.

[@chongwillson972]

@prim8512 at the same time, it would lessen his connection to Joan of arc, since he never became great or a leader.

[@estradagame]

Ok now I have a reason to re-watch the series because around volume 3 and after it all started to feel weird as the series continued.

[@samfr2525]

People would have even been ok with Jaune dying on the way to his home planet.

[@beylethdirons2160]

Even more delicious AU thought to go with this: Pyrrha doesn't support locker Jaune and agrees to go fight Cinder together, showing that she trusts him, and how far he's actually come. They _actually_ pose a threat to Cinder not because of Pyrrha being the GOAT, but because they work together, all of Jaune's training pays off. Jaune gets in close, and Pyrrha provides long range support with the rifle, and using the environment with her magnetic semblance. Cinder could take either of them on their own easy with the maiden power, but has difficulty because of the newness of it and the teamwork. Ruby arrives from the run up the tower and lands. Cinder's two arrow attack already underway flickers in a third before Ruby can recover from her super hero landing, and the arrows fly, one for Pyrrha (deflected by her shield), one for Jaune, and one for a flat footed Ruby... who we zoom back to show an arrow embedded in both Jaune's shield in front of her... and Jaune's heart. Cue RWBY silver eye scream. Now Jaune gets his payoff (plus showing that competence, teamwork, and cooperation can make up for raw power), Ruby and Pyrrha have interesting character dynamics going forward, and all the wonderful things you talked about. Plus it shows how Cinder's goal of power can be dealt with by lesser powers working together, and the cracks in Salem's armor. She can't take over the world if all of Remnant stands against her regardless of how powerful she is, but rather has to turn them against each other, widen the cracks in their alliance instead.

[@austinharris3139]

That's a good point Jaune would've narratively made more sense when you consider Ruby and Pyrrha.

[@krys9463]

Maybe during the Salem reveal Pyrrha ends up feeling kind of empathetic towards her and maybe even wonders if she would have done the same thing if their positions had been switched. Both felt sorrow after losing someone they were in love with and it feels completely unfair that they were taken from the world even though they were kind people, and if you wanted you could even create more similarities between them to drive home how alike they are. But then that would probably cause Pyrrha to take to much of the spotlight away from team Rwby, but a villain and a hero having similarities to each other is always interesting.

[@sfsin3380]

Good job. Honestly after this if Pyrrha name wasn't a clear reference to a Pyric Victory I'd be sure that it really was supposed to Jaune but he became some writers darling and they swapped roles. Edit I read some comments saw it pionted out that losing the guy she likes could still count as a Pyric Victory and was remined that it would perfectly fit their Joan of Arc and Achilles inspiration and am now completely convinced that this was the originally the plane and the Jaune became someone important darling so they changed plans.

[@Will_Morand]

I’ve actually been toying around with a concept for an Isekai AU where a guy from our world finds himself at Beacon at the beginning of V2. The idea was that things start going differently from the show around the halfway mark of V3, namely Weiss going to the finals instead of Yang, so he’s doing what he can to not only set the story back on track, but also save some folks who died. This unfortunately leads to him being the one to kill Penny and the rest of Team JNPR fighting and being slaughtered by Cinder instead of Pyrrha.

[@HeartlessBow]

I've been saying this for years! Pyrrha had the potential for a much better story arc with Jaune's death than Jaune hand with hers.

[@Mach56gss]

I'm somewhat split. In my opinion, Jaune is a splendid character because he is so tragic. Everything he's done is to try and live up to Pyrrha's memory, to make up for her absence... but he's never been able to have a moment of redemption. It's been one painful defeat after another, so much so that when Jaune says "I couldn't even be the make-believe hero", you can't help but pity and grasp the depth of his despair. It's true: Jaune has done nothing but fail, despite all of his efforts, he hasn't really made any difference on his own. It's great storytelling and a very well done subversion of the 0-to-hero trope... and really, really frustrating. Because he takes all of this screentime - for NOTHING! I just don't know if that fits all that well in the sort of story RWBY is meant to be. It's a bit too grim and realistic - and if the writers try to hard to course-correct, Jaune's heroic moments will only feel more forced and trivialized. But for Pyrrha.... It wouldn't be the same if Pyrrha lived instead. She wouldn't waste our time. Being defeated by Cinder and Jaune dying as a result? She would be so much more driven, so much more consequential: She's not a character you can write off to the side as a hapless support character - she's a fighter through and through, and she'd take an active role in the story. It's that difference that makes this possibility all the more engaging and compelling, and a shame that we never got to see it and got stuck with Jaune himself. Her suffering would be all the more compelling as a perfect warrior brought low - and her redemption would actually occur. I love the idea of coming across multiple Jaune sisters during the journey and each of them contributing to the heroes' quest - it would almost be an extension and proof that Jaune's death had meaning - it gave these sisters the resolve and the need to aid RWBY, to recognize the friends that accepted Jaune for who he was and had helped him reach for something greater... had his life not been taken from him. I gotta push back on the "Jaune didn't know about Pyrrha" - but I think Pyrrha living still has great storytelling potential. From what I saw in Volume 3, Jaune had become much more mature about romance and pushing his feelings on others. When Pyrrha was depressed, he didn't make it about himself or his weakness at the tournament - he tried to help her. And this makes logical sense, because it was only since the dance in Volume 2 that Jaune actually started doing things for Pyrrha. It was finally a chance for Jaune to do what he always wanted - to help others. And in Volume 3 - he wanted to help Pyrrha, and it is was clear that he was doing his best not make it about him and whatever feelings he had. ...and really: "You were the first person to ever believe in me"? Holding hands? How he kissed her back? Based off of how he dramatic he was since Volume 3, and how present Pyrrha is as a part of him, I think it's fair to say he had feelings for her. That's not to say Pyrrha losing Jaune and her grief wouldn't be a lesser plot point. I think it's even greater because while Jaune knew Pyrrha had feelings for her, I don't think it was the same until Pyrrha kissed him. I think that if Jaune had died, Pyrrha would have only just realized - or never realized - that Jaune reciprocated her feelings. I'm not sure which is worse, losing someone who you knew had loved you, or losing someone without having the chance to confess - or before they had a chance to respond. Both are very compelling stories of loss. Finally, it's tough to say which death would be sadder. Jaune would die without the chance to be a hero, but in a sense, so did Pyrrha. She never really made the difference she could have made (and what RWBY will accomplish). Jaune is more pitiful, but Pyrrha's death is more tragic in the sense that people actually wanted her to have a story like Jaune's, have a chance to own the spotlight, and in dying it was made apparent that she would never have that chance - she would always just be a device for Jaune's story. I guess the best way of saying it is - Jaune's death would be sadder for the characters, who were actually given time to attach to Jaune, whereas Pyrrha's death is sadder to the audience because as opposed to RWBY + JNR, *we* were the ones who suffered the most grief having to come to terms with the fact that this incredibly beloved character was doomed by the narrative to never have a story, or a happy ending.

[@lususnaturae881]

I've been thinking about this for a week now. It just makes more sense really.

[@kevinkrunchez391]

Let’s not also forget that Pyrrha was the first to find out about Jaune faking his transcripts to get into Beacon. It could have been a point of origin for her guilt she would feel after his death. She would be having thoughts like “I should have just reported him. He would hate me, but he would still be alive” “He was never going to be ready for this line of work” “I always follow the rules, so why did I break them for him”. You know just layer that guilt on thick.

[@trippfields279]

I just wanted him to keep the beard man

[@wackywildwill3114]

New Critter video when I'm looking for something to listen to while gaming??? LETS GO

[@pickyphysicsstudent201]

Here's my idea: >Jaune watches Pyrrha die, while he is helpless >Cinder gets her Full-Maiden powers and torchures Jaune as a victory lap >Ruby shows up and erupts in Silver-Eyes >RNJR goes on their mission for season 4, with Jaune being horribly disfigured on his face - half way between Zuko & Two-Face

[@gamergunn7139]

It also would make sense from a storytelling point cuz after Jaune dies, Phyrra would win through any tricks she could possibly use against Cinder.

[@sliverstarX42]

I always hated Jaune because of the amount of screen time he got. All this time, I kept wondering why Jaune persisted narrative-wise and it greatly annoyed me. After watching this video, I realize it's because Jaune should have served his purpose a long time ago. Pyrrha's popularity shouldn't have been a reason to kill off. It was purely shock value. Jaune dying instead makes more sense thematically. Still shocking, but at least he'll die a hero, like how Joan of Arc was recognized as a saint after her death. On a personal note, I'd probably be glad to see him go because we wouldn't have to deal with his baggage screen-hogging anymore.

[@littlenice-ve5pb]

Omg I feel the same 😭(like I’m so done with this writer favoritism)

[@ToddyBaconJr]

I remember when I first saw Pyrrha's death I was surprised but thought to myself "surely she would come back later somehow" (boy was I so clueless) I was still waiting like 4 seasons later for her to get revived by the villains or something crazy ;-;

[@Im_bor3d0]

Perfect timing after knowing RWBY is coming back

[@Dragiare]

Saw the title and went, "We can finally say it?" Lol

[@lilnoomer596]

I was always under the impression that her eyes activated because of 1: Nearby GRIM, I've always been under the impression that is kind of a requirement 2: It isn't just Pyrrha dying but thousands of others, her city, and her school being overrun. The straw that broke the camels back so to say. 3: Pyrrha didn't have anywhere to go with her story, and this is a natural end to it. 4: Cinder needed to be established as an actual threat. And an unseen fight with the Headmaster who doesn't die isn't the finality that puts it in the back of your mind of how scary she is. 5: It also wouldn't be much fun watching some guy die in like 2 seconds before Ruby even gets to the elevator shaft. EDI: To add onto this my ideal solution to the problem would be to have both to go in and fight her. Maybe Juane slightly behind Pyrhaa.

[@freshmoor9357]

If i could go further on this: Theres something that keeps being brought up in the show, and that is Jaune having a LOT of semblance power, to the point where hes basically a white mage on top of being a paladin in a pinch (even though we still have no effing clue what it is). The fan theory that phyrra could somehow be brought back in as a pawn would make far more sense for jaune, seeing as how hes a big enough battery to be of some use after a perceived death.

[@Soapiesthorse]

I genuinely think they killed Pyrrha off because her semblance was way too strong for the show. The writers didn't know what to do so they figured to just perma-kill her. But you are completely correct in that it should have been Jaune that died. It would have made the show much more interesting, and if the writers wanted Pyrrha gone, they could have just had her go back home since she'd definitely need a mental break.

[@ironline6830]

I agree.I never liked jaune but I always thought he and his family were going to be in on the maidens somehow like one of the maidens powers always goes to a member of his family because ozpin trusts them or just one of his sisters being a maiden

[@scoutmehgaming17]

I want to be honest here I think it's better if they didn't do this AU idea since rooster teeth writers were mad incompetent at writing and there would be to many issues in a quality standpoint

[@djcwittz3012]

One issue that this death causes is that it fridges whoever it happens to, Pyrrha or Juane, this death as a plot point is too early for it to be a completion of someone's character Edit: thinking about it a good substitute would be some kind of debilitating injury, but as Critter pointed out in her Vol. 9 review maybe we shouldn't trust the writers with another disabled character

[@konradinc225]

7:24 Have you forgotten to mention that she BESTED Ozpin in a duel right before dueling Pyhrra? She's already built up as a strong 1-on-1!

[@samuelwoodouse4482]

Damn RWBY could have been great

[@shadowbrine114]

Jaune: "I wish more people liked how I am written in the show... :( " Critter: "I think I can help with that" Jaune: "Really? What's your idea?" Critter: "Step 1. Die."

[@mercury2157]

I agree

[@CloudyDaze]

Truth

[@DatCameraMON]

I'm imaging that clip of Worf saying the same thing in TNG.

[@Samurai_2552]

Yo Vergil just called

[@funnymisterm5014]

Sounds about right! 😊👍

[@XandertheStoryKeeper]

You know, it'd be tragically fitting. Jaune would die being a hero instead of the damsiel in distress, saving the girl but sacrificing himself in the process - a knight never able to reach his full potential but with no regrets

[@marocat4749]

Yeah you can even have pyrra fight cinder but in a bad mindset and too open for her tricks, also you could come then have jaune in, be surprising strong holding her of and keeping pyrra from deaths door but that lets him open to die to protect pyrra. And he could show his semblence there but get weakened and , die, and then ruby came searching for him. and savey pyrra Did you see ever wakfu, that finale, ther is a reason later , but damn season ones finale really.

[@ifeeldead463]

And Achilles (Pyrra) once again loses Patroclus (Jaune)

[@CompSomAnichi]

also fits the Jaune of Arc thing haha

[@GrokeytheHunter]

Make it even more painful by having Pyrrha make Jeane promise to come back alive, only for that to be the last conversation the two have together

[@io9671]

​@marocat4749 holy shit someone knows about Wakfu.

[@jude4195]

I think having jaune die would have a wonderful twist to the "mentor dies to fuel the rookie" and it becomes "for all her skills she couldn't keep the one person who her as her" and have her go on maybe a Virgil arc where she wants power to destroy cinder

[@whoevencares123]

This actually made me realise how cool it would've been to see both Pyrrha and Cinder being motivated by power, but for different reasons. Not only it would've made Pyrrha a better character, but also give Cinder more points for being a good foil.

[@Legacy_of_Yata-Garasu]

⁠@@whoevencares123 Yeah, that plus the fact that Pyrrha and Cinder are just all around better foils for each other, as Pyrrha was originally going to be the Fall Maiden before Cinder stole that from her, of course the fact that she killed the man that Pyrrha loved, and there’s also that whole “Do you believe in destiny” thing between Pyrrha and Cinder that ended up being a throw away line, could instead be a very intriguing contrast between the two as Pyrrha believed that destiny was one’s final goal, while Cinder would believe that she is destined to be the strongest, and that her future is predetermined.

[@brainflash1]

"who her"?

[@marocat4749]

Or an arc wher she has to develope more people skills and be more reflective and that she has to think more of people and there to protect and care for them as long as they there. It could be a lot of different arcs. even one to open up and she culd be torn between juniper and going afte rcinder and that could be a good arc to get together, and her refusing to let people in. , and have an ongoing characte rarc where she can relapse. And get ptsd

[@starsymcdoodle6965]

​@brainflash1 I think they meant "the one person who saw/ appreciated her for her".

[@neptunnae]

Honestly Jaune being the Patroclus to Pyrrha’s Achilles would have been so interesting in the long run- and I like to think about how Pyrrha would’ve been treated post-fall, since she killed someone on national tv and basically kickstarted the fall of beacon in the public’s eyes

[@rathraven1313]

You can have Pyrrha and Yang dealing with being set up by the bad guys.

[@Trixster009]

The Patroclus and Achilles comparison is pretty brilliant. Cinder could've been Hector.

[@Galaxy_Winter]

I like the idea of this AU because it makes so much more sense with how their inspiration’s stories went. In the myths Achilles’ lover Patrocles was killed in battle which caused Achilles to go back battle to seek revenge for him which would fit Pyrrha’s rage against Cinder Also, Joan of arc became a saint after she killed and was only canonized as one after her death which is like Jaune becoming a hero in death

[@TheVTable]

Exactly, That’s what I thought

[@shadowclaw7210]

Also Cinder Fall a character who uses fire as main weapon, killing Joan of Ark based character. Feels just right.

[@Gdsryrox]

Oh shit for real

[@littlebabyman8494]

Man, if only.

[@thekingmaker2159]

Then have him come back as the rusted knight. Damn this show and it's fandom always does him dirty. Read barsev's version of jaune. That's peak.

[@pikagammerpluspizza7478]

Since Pyrrha did get even the smallest amount of the Fall Maiden's power before she died. It be plot point in this AU idea that Pyrrha and Cinder would become mentally linked in someway. That way whenever the bad guys plan for something Pyrrha is able to tell the main cast and they can plan against it. Which in turn will make Salem leave Cinder out of 'the loop' which will push Cinder to become an independent threat. &/OR further push Pyrrha into keeping more secrets from the cast until its revealed that Cinder was actually spying on them thanks to their mental connection & have an early version of the 'no lies, no half truths' conversation a volume or 2 before the Ozpin one.

[@ezool18]

the idea of either ruby or pyrrha being the one to return the family heirloom sword and shield and seeing the family grieving and themselves dealing with the trauma of losing their friend, that would have definitely got me tearing up.

[@Trixster009]

Everyone making the Jaune as Patroclus to Pyrrha's Achilles deserves a medal, but I raise you: Cinder as Hector, the one who killed Patroclus

[@overhypin9579]

Im not sure why but the idea of one of Jaune's sisters being a mechanic and making Yang's mechanical arm actually made me tear up a bit because it would in a way connect her to Jaune. Also, her wanting to get her arm back in Volume 9 would have more stakes to it since its a reminder of her dead friend. My heart ❤️

[@OneTaker]

I think it would have to be well written on how Juane died instead of Pyrrha. I'm not a good writer, but way I see it is, that Juane manages to get the locker to fly up to were fight is. His months of been bullied he learned how to somewhat control them and called ruby while on route. While cinder dose not take his arrival seriously, they use their team work training and Jaune having faced cinder before are able to hold their own for abit, but cinder overpowers them. And while they separated, cinder drains more of the maiden power away from Phyrra just to make her suffer more. Before she can get off the killing blow, Jaune comes in and the white flash that happened last time in the forest happens again and cinder is seen screaming,seemingly falling to her death. This has exhausted Jaune, but he looks into her eyes and says " Phyrra... I..." before getting stabbed from behind through the chest just as rwby got there to see it all. Then silver eyes happens. Think the dynamic of Ruby and Phyrra would be very tense. Ruby seeing Phyrra as responsible for death of 2 of her best friends and phyrra feeling that guilt. Think there would be alot of Nora thing to get them to be friends but rei wanting them to come together naturally when they ready. Think Phyrra would be more sympathy to Oscar too as while she chose to have maiden powers, she understands the burden being put on him. I do think it be interesting to have phyrra kill penny again and dealing with that in Jaune's place. And in ever after the rusty knight did look like Juane too. Just a reminder of the hero he want and could have been.

[@rexlumontad5644]

There is a fanart of Pyrrha being so affected by Jaune's demise she literally wore his armor and act like she is Jaune while claiming Pyrrha fell to Cinder. Deliberately hampering her combat abilities to fight like Jaune.

[@dspace4514]

I've think i saw that once. Might see if i can find it.

[@electricangel4488]

Wait so like like the litteral joan of arc. Pretending too be someone she isnt.😢

[@nachomanrandy]

Thats so dumb lol. Like that archer dude from the boys gimping himself using a bow and failing to save people in the process.

[@WolfBoy-om6dw]

That's absolutely depressing and I need to find that fan art

[@twinodoom]

I'd read a fanfic about that

[@mitchdadude2341]

I like to imagine that if the gang still heads to Atlas and sees Penny again, Pyrrha would want to get closer to her With either the mindset of "I need to make amends" or "I won't let you die a second time"

[@silberkatze2326]

Both. Both is good

[@skysiren4113]

Even though I'm not the biggest Pyrrha fan, the idea of Pyrrha not only loosing the fall maiden powers but loosing Jaune to Cinder has always been fascinating to me. Not only would it have hit WAY harder since we got a lot more screen time with Jaune, but we could've gotten a lot more interesting development with Pyrrha Pyrrha could've gone through something similar to what Katara went through in The Southern Raiders, a character who's usually kind and motherly become more serious and aggressive as they let their desire for revenge towards the person who killed a love consume them. But while Katara's arc lasted one episode, Pyrrha's could've lasted munch longer in Volume 4 to 5

[@nozon5686]

As an added thing to jaune dying, him being based on joan d'arc who essentially died a martyr would se up the parallels between the two even better

[@Zerochroma15]

Cinder even uses fire powers. Him being burned alive would probably be too graphic, but turned to ash like Pyrrha would still fit.

[@thomascochran7907]

I think people forgot that RWBY doesn’t just make fairy tails inspired characters, it specifically makes inversions of them. Ruby is little red riding hood but she kills big bad wolves. Black is beauty that is also a beast and grew to hate somebody she loved. Ironwood and Lionheart are the tin man if he did loose his heart and the cowardly Lion if he wasn’t courageous deep down. Similarly, Jaune is Joan of arc that wasn’t burned but seeks vengeance for his love, while Pyrrha is Achilles that is burned instead of her love and puts his Patroclus in a tent instead.

[@shama1239]

I really like the different context of Pyrrha watching the Jaune training video in the forest. It isn't so much her wanting to get better, it's her thinking about how if she had done more, maybe Jaune wouldn't have died to Cinder.

[@troperhghar9898]

If jaune died Pyrrha: I'll never find someone as great as jaune was Wiess: Pyrrha, if you're looking for a dorky nice guy, then THROW A F##KN' ROCK

[@pickyphysicsstudent201]

I think it can work either way. Pyrrha was the only one who believed in Jaune and Jaune was the only one willing ot be Pyrrha's friend. They were both one-of-a-kind, to eachother.

[@rathraven1313]

Qrow: Rudy, where's my flask?

[@troperhghar9898]

@@rathraven1313 Ruby: Why do you need it Qrow: the redhead wont leave me alone

[@rathraven1313]

@@troperhghar9898 Ruby: Which one? Qrow: The one that couldn't convince Jaune that she was willing and able.

[@beylethdirons2160]

@@rathraven1313 Ruby: Ewwwwwww.... Uncle Qrow... Qrow: Talk to her! Not me! Why do you think I want the flask?

[@mariopanczel8581]

I just realised that Jaune dying actually fits EVEN more because it would mirror actual Joan of Arc being wrongfully prosecuted and executed. This realisation is making my heart cry a bit

[@Zerochroma15]

Not only that Joan of Arc was killed by being burned at the stake, Jaune being burned to death by Cinder would hit even harder than when Pyrrha was shot in the heel

[@beylethdirons2160]

The more I think about this... it feels like one of those areas where someone meddled with what was supposed to be? Like it was supposed to be Jaune and then someone said "...but then we'll lose what male audience we have without Jaune! Switch it around."

[@LuisRodriguez-tp8rz]

Isn't Jaune the stand in for one of the writers? Maybe that's why.

[@Appletank8]

@@LuisRodriguez-tp8rz yes one of the writers voices Jaune.

[@rexlumontad5644]

If Pyrrha takes Jaune's place, that means she will be The Rusted Knight in Wonderland.

[@falconeshield]

Or you just shoot off to a different storyline from V3

[@falconeshield]

And Pyrrha X Weiss shippers would've been fed. At least there was a tease in S1.

[@matijasostojic4288]

I just got a picture in my head of pyrha using her magnetism to peel all of the rust off of her armor.

[@rathraven1313]

No, Pyrrha would die in Volume 5 and Jaune would be Ozpin's new body.

[@buttery_gooch6]

@@rathraven1313WHAT are you talking about

[@itspienoon7883]

Judgmental Critter back at it again with another AU idea that's way more interesting than what we had canonically in RWBY. As many have pointed out, not only does it just make more narrative sense to keep Pyrrha, (because she has more plotlines going for her like being the future maiden and having unfinished business with Cinder) but also can you imagine the strained relationship and long lasting conflict she'd have with Ruby?? Ruby watching first hand at Pyrrha (accidentally) killing/indirectly failing to save her two best friends. First with Penny, AND THEN in the battle of Beacon, she sees Jaune killed by Cinder, meaning that Pyrrha was not able to protect him. That could've brung so many amazing stakes personal conflicts between Ruby and Pyrrha, something that could develop both their relationship and Ruby's entire character in the long run. Because while people have also given warranted criticism that it was weird that Ruby reacted so heavily to Pyrrha's death during and after the event, you wouldn't even need to justify Ruby unlocking her sliver eyes when facing Penny's death AND Jaune's death back to back. ESPECIALLY WITH JAUNE because that's the first person she talked to at Beacon AND someone she could relate with as inexperienced leaders, it wouldn't even need an explanation just GAHHH THE POTENTIAL!

[@valeriedure2341]

i also love how this would fit with Jaune's ideas of heroism. he doesnt need special powers or a fancy weapon, he just needed to stand his ground and buy time for the others

[@nkyfong]

I’d like to also point out that if Pyrrha was still alive and Jaune died, it would also fit the fact that she’s based on Achilles. When Achilles’ boyfriend was killed, he got depressed for a while before going on a murderous vengeful rage. Imagine if your scenario happened! It would fit!

[@ularkurma]

Jaune can be the 'real hero' in the final moment of his life in this AU. Fullfilling his dream in the end. Good Video.

[@nickstrobelight7804]

I'm imagining the Volume 5 fight Cinder asking Pyrrha, "... and who was that?" After her whole breakdown over Juane. Nice little nod to the best part of that fight where Cinder asks Juane who he is

[@Zerochroma15]

Oh, that would hit so much harder, having Cinder regard Jaune as so beneath her notice she doesn't even remember him would set Pyrrha off even harder

[@Wild_Pilot]

_Just gonna sweep my Jaune-117 AU under the rug_ So, yeah. A guy probably wouldn't have a soulmate-level attachment to their mentor/ friend right after the latter confesses their love for the guy. Much like with Pyrrha, it's the headcanon for the character that we like, and a heartbroken knight is a great concept. Even in the show proper, we need more of the Arc Sisters. The two you portrayed are easily recognizable from the family photo with their personalities and color palettes. Thank you for more of your wonderful content. Have an awesome day! P.s. Wait, what are the age-gapes between the Arc siblings? I honestly thought Saphron was the Mother before counting the sisters. We also get a set of twins, a rarity in RWBY, but that only helps the math a little.

[@ag.gibler6010]

I like this “rewrite” of yours and it would make much more sense for not only the entire cast, but for Pyrrha as a whole. I also like the idea of Pyrrha living instead of Jaune and how to see her trying to overcome the guilt she has over Jaune's death and that Jaune's sister have more screen time and interact more with the cast rather than what we got. Keep up the good work!

[@chickenelafsworld7105]

Also, you could keep some of the impact of Pyrrha losing to Cinder anyway. Her and Jaune both fight Cinder and lose, either together or one after the other. Maybe they’re really in-sync, maybe he’s getting in the way, maybe he’s just watching at first because he isn’t confident enough, or maybe she sends him away and it takes most of the battle to get back to her. Depends on what flavor of angst you want. Pyrrha gets knocked down because Cinder was focus firing the biggest threat, and now she’s close to being killed. Jaune jumps in to distract Cinder and fight her himself. Mixing in stuff like him using Pyrrha’s lessons or making moves that are recognizably adapted from her could show how much he’s grown in his last hoorah. Cinder’s seen him around school, so maybe she tries to make him feel inadequate during the fight and there are some cool moments where you think, just for a moment, that he can prove her wrong. That with Pyrrha weakening her, Jaune can finish her off. Only to have that hope cut short when she starts taking him seriously and bodies him right before Ruby arrives. It gives him a chance to actually make a difference before his death by saving Pyrrha, and keeps the feeling of hopelessness because it wasn’t just Jaune who lost, it was both of them. Pyrrha has been beaten and he knows she’s better than him, but this is his only chance to save the people he cares about. He held her off until the cavalry got there and that’s genuinely a hero’s death. It’s no longer “Ruby got there too late” but “Jaune kept Cinder there long enough.” It’s not the fast Ruby not being fast enough, but who we thought was the weak Jaune being strong enough. A bittersweet death where he’s grown, he’s useful, and he’s saved the day. It feels like an actual Pyrrhic victory when Cinder goes down instead of just a loss.

[@walterthomas7540]

Pyrrha keeping Jaune's gear cause she just can never move on from his death

[@brleise2942]

At the statue scene, we could have Pyrrha giving the gear back to the sister and finally start moving on.

[@MeemahSN]

I just wish we had seen more from Pyrrha. She feels the most human out of all of the characters, and compared to Jaune, she's much more interesting. You're definitely right about the fandom loving the idea of her rather than who she actually is, because she was a character absolutely filled with untapped potential. Being the strongest fighter, you can imagine the amount of guilt she'd be carrying after Jaune's death. I imagine it to be a similar situation to Jaune and his outburst in Volume 9, "I was the only one that could do it." Pyrrha feeling responsible for his death would have opened doors for a lot of character development. Being the only one truly capable of saving Jaune, yet still being forced to watch him die would have been a lot more intriguing than Jaune's situation.

[@komos3719]

I... never thought about Jaune being the one to die but it makes a ton of sense. I also wanted to see more of his sisters! Especially with the whole "all of my family are warriors" thing he had going on. In the early days, I thought he'd have a similar situation to Weiss as being the runt amongst golden child huntresses.

[@komos3719]

There's a bittersweetness to the idea that Jaune becomes a martyr. I love the idea of him becoming the "saviour of Beacon" and given plaques and statues. Another symbol of hope (or Beacon...harhar). And his sisters sadly remarking that they always thought of him as worthy/heroic through his kindness.

[@waterdog737]

Also I just feel that Pyrrha had more importance to the plot over Janue. She sense of Duty over what she really wants. looking for a friend who look pass her celebrity status. While Janue became a 1 to 2 note character when each additional volume passes. Pyrrha has more emotional impact with Ozma deceptions than Jaune. Sorry, I'm such a Pyrrha fan I got carried away

[@TheOneTrueErica]

This is exactly why I want a RWBY AU reboot. Get another studio to tackle the potential of this world and its characters. Ice Queendom would've been better if its animation hadn't crashed and burned AND its story wasn't so rushed.

[@falconeshield]

And it was a real AU not a dream state.