Can You Survive Fallout 4 as a Vegan?

[@caitlinhall1903]

Everyone should know that Simon forgot to record the start of the stream and had to remake Gourdon whilst going through the 5 stages of grief about how difficult this would be

[@TheLaughingSimon]

[@caitlinhall1903]

@@TheLaughingSimon 😇 accountability is key, simon

[@TheLaughingSimon]

@@caitlinhall1903

[@Soulful_01]

The secret is safe with us, your entire community :)

[@Anonymousrando-uz9sn]

Ah, I remember this stream like it was yesterday. Chat was entirely unhelpful. If anything, Chat was detrimental, as we kept pointing out certain very useful things were in fact not vegan.

[@doomguy9458]

I was the energy weapon guy :)

[@minimouse1619]

I like to think we were incredibly helpful, we didn't want him to fail his Vegan run.

[@caitlinhall1903]

We were just saving him from himself really

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

He set up this challenge for himself, chat is only helping sticking to the rules.

[@acleanpairofsocks]

I don’t think I’ve seen a single streamer’s chat be helpful lol

[@MLCloneCODgamer]

When you realise the vault suit has leather cuffs XD

[@Kakarot64.]

plus it's vault tec they probably stuffed animals in them to test the suits radiation resistance.

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

Leaves open the question if it's okay to use leather from animals that already died. Especially if it's through natural causes or other biesties. But Vault-Tec absolutely did not source natural leather.

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

@@Kakarot64. you assume they tested the radiation resistance at all. And they probably used prisoners for that anyway.

[@GrievousReborn]

Pretty sure the blue part of the Vault suit is also leather considering that's how you upgrade the thing

[@hihowareyou6510]

@@GrievousRebornIn New Vegas they mention it’s made of latex so I think the blue part isn’t leather

[@thunderkrux7745]

Sugar Bombs will be fine because I can almost guarantee the sweetener would be High Fructose Corn Syrup

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

Jet from brahmin dung is absolutely, totally fine. The cows crap anyway. Antiseptic is probably highly distilled alcohol, considering the setting is sort of 1950s retrofuturism. So anything cooked with it seems fine.

[@dakotaeast4126]

ah but its still an animal product animals shed hair all the time, but you probably wont see too many vegans using boar-hair brushes for anything

[@mattasticmattattack8546]

Simon : YAY! I subdued the attack dog , now we are friends and all is safe .... Molerat with mines : ... and I took that personally.

[@Niklas_N]

The list of non-vegan items growing throughout the first 3 minutes cracks me up

[@minimouse1619]

One of my proudest moments I have to say.

[@Vault-TecRegionalOffice-zn2tm]

3:04 According to Sarah in New Vegas(if you accept NV as a credible source if canon information), vault suits are made of leather. Poor Simon lost before the challenge began.

[@minimouse1619]

So I actually Googled this and according to Google in Fallout 4 the suits are made of a type of Lycra if I remember right. Which was vegan! :D

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

@@minimouse1619 yeah, the suits look noticeably different. We have pretty much three vault suit designs 1) classic fallout. Looks very right, but the visuals in game obviously don't give lots of information. But artwort depicts the suit as so skin tight, you can see hints of the muscles underneath. So probably some stretchy material like spandex. 2) FO3/NV. here the suit is looser, leather works, but it could also be denim. 3) FO4/76. Again tighter, but not as tight as in the original. There is some shine to it, so probably some synthetic material. synthetic leather seems decently plausible. And yes, nothing speaks against different materials in different vaults. Just another one of their tests.

[@zombierobot5747]

Somehow I'm betting the mac and cheese contains no dairy at all and in fallout they wouldn't test on animals when small children where available 😆

[@TheLaughingSimon]

There is an argument to be made that the corporations willingness to test on humans negates the need to test on animals 😆

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

just imagine no consumer protection laws and corporate lobbyism 10 times as bad.

[@AScottishDudeWasTaken]

Medicine that's been tested on animals is iffy, my ex is vegan and she denied her meds for a while until someone was like "surely you do more good for animals if you're alive?" And in hindsight, maybe that was a red flag. She wasn't pure preachy or anything but she was certifiably insane

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

And if we go further, for a long time insulin came from pigs. Nowadays we grow it in bacteria, but that wasn't always the case.

[@d.mat.zero6525]

dandy boy apples have white sugar and milk in them, they have caramel sauce on them.

[@day3fiercediety940]

You piqued my interest, and I looked up the cowbone in sugar. TIL Apparently it just goes through bone char filters(like a water filter) and most companies aren't using the method anymore. But the sugar itself has no bone in it, however, if you care, it technically touched bone at some point. I'd also mention that there is not a 0% chance that the harvesters, loaders, and drivers didn't wear leather gloves during the process of making your sugar(nearly same as filtering through bone char). Hard to be purely vegan, regardless of knowledge. A lot companies (spot)buy sugar based on value, even vegan candy and food products may have bonechar filtered sugar.

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

Even worse considering Fallout is 1950s retrofuturism. So much less plastic around. Especially since there was a whole global war over the last remaining bits of fossil fuels.

[@CanisMythson]

My two bits: this seems prime for an Endurance Build focused on removing radiation from food and using the Ghoulification perk to slowly remove your radiation levels.

[@TheLaughingSimon]

Yes me playing up to the vegan memes and putting 1 in strength and 1 in endurance was a massive mistake 😅

[@diablomorningstar709]

In germany we say "Rindfleischetikettierungsüberwachungsaufgabenübertragungsgesetz".

[@mikeemmons1079]

Even counting the fact that their are 5 spaces and 6 words, the English translation is still shorter.

[@GerinoMorn]

...and I think that's beautiful

[@rustyudder]

What a Wunderbar and beautiful language 😁

[@isaacmcallister5649]

I ken German needs a few spaces more in their language.

[@GerinoMorn]

@@isaacmcallister5649 they once went to war for more space, it wasn't very nice for everyone around xD

[@RenVasTerul]

Hot take (as a vegan) - in this post-apocalytpic setting, pretty much anything you find just dumped, lying around is in fact 'freegan'. Even meat. So as long as you don't hunt or buy un-vegan stuff at vendors, you're good to go xD it's mostly about not supporting the shitty dairy/meat industry tbh, which at this time in Fallout does not exist :P

[@astilealavatica1404]

There we go! I'm a crappy vegetarian that agrees with avoiding supporting death industries.

[@Alizudo]

So would you be allowed to hunt a deer?

[@JohnDoe-hj9fh]

​@@Alizudono because that's going out of your way to harm an animal

[@TheLaughingSimon]

Freegan is a great term

[@RenVasTerul]

@@TheLaughingSimon theres a whole freegan community out there, that actually rather gathers 'throwaway' food than buys in markets. Usually they're also very zero-waste people. As absurd as it may seem to some, big markets actually dump a loaaad of perfectly good food, just because it was close to expiration date or simply didnt sell for some time. My friend once found a 20kg worth of good cashew nuts on a market dumpster (packed ofc) xD

[@Haru-spicy]

If your character doesn't care about human suffering, then are you allowed to take the Cannibal perk?

[@TheLaughingSimon]

Cannibalism is indeed vegan

[@daemonburns-waight2421]

It's a good thing I'm a big fan of Limmy's Show otherwise I'd miss about half of what Simon says.. Great content as usual, always makes me laugh. My man needs more followers!

[@JauntyOboe]

As a vegan, you played this beautifully. Btw stimpacks are vegan - it's medicine, can't always be avoided and an essential which is the IRL general stance. Unless you're hardcore militant or in the fallout universe, apparently. Anyway. G'wan vegetable munchers.

[@GerinoMorn]

How much chippy do you need to have to even get to a thought of "I should become vegan.... in fallout!"

[@dianasoowianiuk2251]

Forgive me, but when Dogmeat brings you a hammer, you take the hammer and tell Dogmeat that he is a good boi My eastern soul craves potatoes now, thank you very much

[@CorrodedMoon]

Im really enjoying these fallout videos, its got me into fallout :)

[@BaseDeltaZero1972]

That radroach crossing the bridge is surely something that no other FO4 player has ever seen...🤣

[@WC3fanatic997]

"Who's there?!" *_"Shu' UP!"_*

[@BevvRatBites]

Keep doin' this please, I want to see your vegan empire spread across the wastes. Impose veganism and animal personhood with the pack nuka world raiders.

[@xsteff9012]

dont worry, all that pre war leather is probably polyester!

[@lisamarie06]

I've been playing Morrowind recently and now I'm trying to picture that Vegan. No using chitin or bonemold, no joing House Redoran, no using the silt striders, and many alchemy recipes would be off limits.

[@CanisMythson]

Actually I think bone old would be fine, it's not made of animal bones. At least I'm pretty sure.

[@Alizudo]

​@@CanisMythson Bonemold is bone meal (crushed bones) turned into something akin to fibreglass.

[@mikeemmons1079]

Judging by what we know about the Fallout universe. I suspect even the Mac and Cheese is vegan.

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

The cheese is, the pasta isn't. Cheese made from vegetable oil, soybeans and artificial colouring. The noodles from cow bones

[@JohnDoe-hj9fh]

​@@HappyBeezerStudiosgiven how fallout is filled with corrupt industries I think it would make more sense for the dairy industry to be as corrupt in that universe as it is in ours

[@Amanda-zn7ox]

THERE'S COW BONE IN OUR WHITE SUGAR?!?! Edit: Oh, wait, this was a livestream. Probably someone trolling... But I wouldn't put it past us.

[@Gondorf5]

Just did a quick Google search: cow bone is used to bleach a lot of sugarcane-based sugars and the molasses used for brown sugar. Because of this, “strict” vegans consider sugar on the whole to be not vegan. Notably, granulated sugar from sugar beets usually does not use cow bone, and is therefore vegan.

[@TheDanishGuyReviews]

From Wikipedia: "White sugar from sugarcane can be refined with bone char. Sugar Beets are never treated this way, and are therefore vegan."

[@minimouse1619]

I promise I wasn’t trolling, I was scrolling through a website about non-vegan foods and saw it. It was not a laughing matter, I actually felt kind of sad for Simon…

[@JohnDoe-hj9fh]

Although you do make fun of veganism, the video being just light jabs at vegans was so refreshing

[@TheLaughingSimon]

I wanted it to be all in good fun. Besides, what started out as having a bit of banter about veganism quickly descended into the horrors of capitalism 😅 WHich I suppose is the point of veganism afterall. 1-0 vegans.

[@Soulful_01]

You’re absolutely hilarious mate, and you make my day with every video I watch! Must be the accent, scottish just sounds so… jolly :) I hope you have an amazing week, and thanks for giving me a good laugh 👍

[@noisepuppet]

I'll need to see the receipts on this cowbone in sugar thing 😂

[@VelaiciaCreator]

Yeah, I also call BS on this, since they claim it's to "whiten", but the process of extracting and refining sugar will not only differ by source, but you only need to "strain away" the colourants. I think it's a case of one manufacturer being used to demonize the rest of the industry. I've caught militant vegans in lies before and the refused to acknowledge that they lied. So I don't expect this continuance of a hyperbolization at best to be "won".

[@DropsOfMars]

American companies will cut costs however they can, and in strange ways :/

[@Daeneiracorn]

@@DropsOfMars i mean. at least the bones aren't being wasted?

[@Notmanyusernamesleft]

If anywhere isn't using bone char to refine sugar it's probably the US and Europe. Some other countries still use it to filter their water. I would assume a sugar company that doesn't use bone char would advertise that fact because it's "value added". It's still kosher though.

[@amuttisnoone]

you can literally google it xD

[@tommarsdon5644]

You don't need to sleep 8 hours. Depending on sleepiness, the lowest can be 2

[@SabrinaJkn]

i was just binge watching a bunch of your videos and here you are with a new one! you’ve truly become one of my most favorite youtubers

[@skeleton_craftGaming]

We had synthetic [or rather not from cow bone] vitamin D by the '60s. I find it hard to believe that fallout universe doesn't.

[@DinggisKhaaniMagtaal]

I would guess stimpaks would not be vegan because of horseshoe crab blood or something lol

[@Alizudo]

[3:10] When crafting them, stimpacks are made from blood.

[@the_cw_]

he didn’t include cannibalism in his veganism

[@Haggysack2k8]

It's really bold to assume that this run is even possible in the slightest. Nearly every bit of prewar food or drink is definately not vegan, since the people of America in the Fallout timeline probably didn't care at all about this. And this is just one thing to take into consideration, the next big thing is: This is the Wasteland. You'll either eat and drink what you can get your hands on or you'll probably die. ...And before anyone asks, no i am not living on a vegan lifestyle.

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

In hindsight, the mac & cheese is probably more vegan than the apples. I can totally see the apples in gelatin and no cheese at all, just cheese flavour.

[@davelangton1217]

Is Captain Fannybones or his long lost brother gonnae appear in the Fallout world? There IS a mod for that!

[@GrievousReborn]

The Vault suit is leather it requires leather to upgrade

[@mastermarkus5307]

I think that's either a video game thing or the implication is that you're adding leather to it, because I don't believe for a second that that isn't made from something stretchy.

[@spacehitler4537]

​@@mastermarkus5307They are explicity stated to be made of leather.

[@mastermarkus5307]

@spacehitler4537 Ah, apparently, it varies depending on the game, at least according to the wiki. In Fallout 1 and 2, it's rubber, but 3 and New Vegas they're denim and leather (at least the vault 21 suits are stated to be made of those). Though I still think that making them out of leather seems bizarre as it would be more expensive and difficult to manufacture.

[@spacehitler4537]

@@mastermarkus5307 Might be a manufacturing and supply difference. Vaults that got the rubber suits also got earlier pip boy models and vice versa perhaps.

[@UncensoredScion]

A vegan that doesn't try and pressure other people to be vegan? Immersion broken 100% immediately, oh....

[@IchNachtLiebe]

The "meat is murder" dialogue option didn't come with the DLC.

[@JohnDoe-hj9fh]

From a vegan perspective they view animal exploitation in basically the same way we view child exploitation so I do understand why they try to get more people vegan. It's like us trying to pressure someone to stop exploiting kids

[@akashajones6079]

​@@JohnDoe-hj9fhExactly

[@theeutecticpoint]

stimms are made from human blood, I would suppose if you take your own blood in game then the stim you make from it would be ok? Also, is this part one of many, or a one off?

[@JogginClown]

Kinda reminds me of Skyrim. Except it takes place in a post-apocalyptic world instead.

[@minimouse1619]

Vegan Thomas... Never forget.

[@TheLaughingSimon]

Never heard of him

[@crazyguy32100]

"Obviously we want the mole rat to win" Beep,Beep,Beep,Beep,Beep.

[@psiklops71]

vegan Skyrim

[@BobbyCorwen1771]

Can you survive Scottsman as a Fallout?

[@c-puff]

Not enough damaging the local ecosystem or generating plastic waste to be a true vegan 😂

[@chloeno8]

Eating like Fury and Seffy minus the nibblots.

[@llHippiell]

i got the next gen upgrade on ps5 for free i can download all the dlcs but not the wasteland workshop or the vault tech workshop (i dont really care about this one) anyone got an idea of what i can do?

[@IamH8ted]

Holy shit! I know what I'm watching now.

[@Tinkertown-x9z]

You are in my top 5 bro. If its not too flattering, you took pood's old spot

[@JUDGERAMBO]

VATS was tested on animals.

[@magicpyroninja]

If you want to go by peta's rules, you can't have dog meat with you because kind of like enslaving him animal cruelty to keep a dog

[@JohnDoe-hj9fh]

Nobody, not even vegans respect peta

[@Tinkertown-x9z]

4:56 what is going on with those hands there?

[@acleanpairofsocks]

All the “actually”s and “technically”s in the comments lol

[@rufur2]

I can barely understand what you're saying, but I DO understand it tho xD

[@re--dacted]

Um, humans are animals, so cannibalism is not vegan.

[@Badazzgamer43]

Vegans would not last in fallout's univerce u cant realy be picky in that world if u wana survive.

[@akashajones6079]

Vegans aren't 'picky', we're against unnessary suffering of animals. Which humans in first world countries do in the billions

[@Badazzgamer43]

@@akashajones6079 Cool id like to see u survive in fallout's unvierce when a two headed rad stag chases u down. The most basic of dangers. U goona let it gorge u? or when a vicious pakc of dogs trys to attack? in fallout u have to be willing to get ur hands dirty if u wana survive.

[@Badazzgamer43]

@@akashajones6079 U have to be ready and willing to take a life in fallouts univerce cuzz the wasteland is one hell of a unforgiveing place.

[@GreenUnicorn06]

As a vegan of 20 years I was thoroughly entertained by this (despite all the terrible misinformation…I’m pretty convinced no one in your chat know much about veganism 😂) Like, the comment about Vitamin D is not really true, most vegans have no issue using medicine, we are not generally more tired than other people, and you can have vegan Mac and Cheese. I could go on, but I’ll spare you. Just please be mindful of the fact that veganism is more than just a hipster lifestyle, it’s a personal belief system recognised and protected by (among others) the European court of human rights on the same level as humanism or buddhism. Making jokes about it is totally fine and I think you managed to keep it pretty inoffensive, I’m just mentioning it because most people don’t know and many tend to take the joke way way too far. You would not believe some of the things people have said to me through the years 😅 Anyways, love your videos, keep it up! ❤

[@TheLaughingSimon]

Yeah it was very apparent there wasn't a single vegan in the chat, hence the rampant google searching 😅 I didn't want this to devolve into vegan bashing, it was just some good lighthearted fun. Besides, the real takeaway was (and usually is) the abject horrors of rampant capitalism. Which was fitting for a Fallout stream tbh😐☢

[@samuels.2411]

wouldnt mutants count as a new species and should not be unalived by an vegan?

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

Considering super mutants come from humans, could eating them be considered cannibalism....

[@Alizudo]

​@@HappyBeezerStudios Yes. If you upgrade the cannibal perk, it lets you eat mutants and feral ghouls.

[@JohnDoe-hj9fh]

If it's self defense then it's totally fine but then again vegans don't go around killing humans either. I suppose it's up to how challenging you want the challenge run to be

[@doggolovescheese1310]

No one but the fanboys can survive fallout 4 with the update xD

[@notorioustampaton]

Being vegan in Fallout 4 is easy, and the same is true with New Vegas on survival.