GMOD VR: Places You've Seen In Your Dreams

Tonight we're using VR to explore and analyze the hazy world of dreams from the perspective of the waking mind. This map for Garry's Mod attempts to recreate classic liminal space images, with some original ideas as well.
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[@user-dn1nh3zu6h]

About ghosts. I recently realized something. The classic sheet ghost doesn't actually wear sheets. He wears a shroud. Somehow, all this time, I've eluded the notion that a ghost is not just a friendly bed linen. It is a corpse. A corpse hidden under a white shroud. After this realization, the image of a typical ghost suddenly became a little bit creepier for me.

[@agall664]

Oh man...

[@bananacockston8778]

Коля, что ты у либрариана забыл

[@woden__]

Damn i didnt know that 🌚

[@sato-kuu]

Ah, so you can remove the ghost's sheet?

[@woden__]

@@sato-kuu uuugghhghggh dont say that 🤧

[@earthcastle]

I played this map for the first time and thought "i would love to see the librarian play this", 1 hour later i'm watching him play it, and loving watching it

[@notinthebestmood1850]

IKR?! SAME HAPPENED TO ME WTF XD

[@GG-lk4xf]

If you see a Gmod liminal map, you bet hes playing it

[@aviatorfox4789]

My thoughts exactly

[@slothharlequin5942]

you are not the only one

[@Kallichore09]

Samee

[@Saluno375]

15:32 is one of my favourite Librarian scares ever - got me too! It's one thing to see a model do something in GMOD VR; it's an extra layer of creepy to see something literally mirror your very human movements.

[@Mach-2-Fishbed]

I managed to catch the flashlight reflection on the floor and though to myself "That's a mirror and Librarian's about to have a damn heart attack".

[@scrithen2836]

I KNEW it would be a mirror scare, it gets him everytime

[@camcam606]

I was not expecting the mirror. Scared the fuck outta me.

[@swishasweetrold]

Holy shit I've never been so scared in my life wtf

[@Soulstar1122Elle]

What happened to me in GMod I was walking and I saw my player model pillsbury doughboy

[@sketchsskotch1073]

Honestly this feels like if an AI try to build a habitable space for humans, studying old images of human spaces and then developing plans generated from the images but without any of the soul/passion of the human mind that goes into creating those spaces.

[@Slipperyslab]

Literally the plot of Kane Pixel’s The Backrooms lmao

[@alabaster_rox]

I'm pretty sure that's the plot of "Blame!" too!

[@sketchsskotch1073]

@@alabaster_rox Worst part is that I haven't read that or The Backrooms except the Found Footage video. Now I feel very stupid.

[@tearex8688]

@@Slipperyslab shit your right lmao

[@Slipperyslab]

@@sketchsskotch1073 here kzbin.info/aero/PLVAh-MgDVqvDUEq6qDXqORBioE4Yhol_z

[@Shinyloog20992]

That reflection scare was so genuine and so legit. If I was doing this in vr too I would have fallen backwards

[@ebonhawken574]

Made me jump too! His flashlight creeping around the corner is what got me good.

[@SkeleTonHammer]

15:30 lol. I love the mirror scares in VR. I think they work so well because the form you see in the mirror is moving very realistically, since it's literally like head and hand mocap. It's like you just saw a real life person also creeping around the corner.

[@chrystales6169]

It helps that this mirror and many other mirrors in source are perfectly clean so you wouldn't even tell that they are mirrors at first.

[@DonnaPinciot]

I feel like the distorted torture sounds were only meant to play for a short while in that room, and it's a bug that they kept playing throughout so much of the video. StopSound should be used whenever it seems like something shouldn't be playing anymore, as with that sound which overstayed its welcome. Just keep in mind that it stops _all_ sound, including any currently looping ones. Leaving an area and coming back should restart any intentional sounds, though.

[@ebonhawken574]

I don’t know why he didn’t notice it was a bug, was really distracting…

[@shrekrab]

Had this torture sounds glitch before. Stopsound doesnt stop it.

[@Valarius_J]

@@ebonhawken574 He spends a little too long monologuing and overanalyzing everything to notice. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar but in this video he made it seem like every floor tile has some hidden philosophical meaning to it. I still enjoy his videos but it feels like the more of these he does, it feels like he spends more time standing in an area explaining it like a museum tour guide rather than exploring and letting it all flow naturally.

[@kodak1587]

In my experience StopSound doesn't work in my installation of Hammer Editor, only lowering the volume to 0 is able to "stop" a sound from playing

[@DonnaPinciot]

@@kodak1587 Oh, I meant for TheLibrarian to run the command in the console to stop the sound. I don't know what process the map creator would have to go through to make it work properly.

[@GeekyGami]

You know, technically, the transition from a dream to a nightmare fits the definition of liminal perfectly

[@funni_noises]

it’s the moment when something happens but you don’t know what it was. Or the moment when everything changed for some reason

[@thetreeboy.]

2:36 - don't worry about your monologues, I believe I speak for us all when I say that they are entertaining and enjoyable.

[@zanderwithaz5315]

They're always really insightful!

[@rainetolentino4336]

When speaking about Liminal Spaces on Garry's Mod like this, i've been given vibes by Mac Dialed regarding on his videos. There we can see the artwork and similarities of the map designs comparing to the ones that we see on his videos. As stated before, Liminal Spaces are just imaginary places in your dreams whereas the look of the place you're at is odd or let's say you're on odd dimension. Yeah, Liminal Spaces are my favorite things when coming to Lib

[@iwest6256]

I can absolutely relate to the thing about having dreams where you’re going to school but somehow have absolutely no idea where you’re supposed to be going or what you need to be doing. I generally get those at least once a month. One interesting thing that regularly happens in my dreams is that I will somehow recognize people in it as being fictional characters but somehow not ever make the connection that the events occurring are not real. The interesting part is that usually, these “characters” don’t even match up to any actual work of fiction and are in no other way obviously different from other people in these dreams, I just inexplicably recognize them as fictional.

[@sato-kuu]

The nerve of Dream-You to walk around thinking they're the protagonist (but also being right)

[@fukyoutube-]

@@sato-kuu well i mean it is your dream so you are the protagonist. Even more so if you lucid dream

[@D_YellowMadness]

I can relate a lot to that. Both the part about being at school but not knowing where to go & the part about knowing some stuff is fictional but not realizing it must all therefore be fictional. That or just knowing it's all fictional but not questioning why it's fictional or how I know. Like I know it's fake but I don't know I'm asleep.

[@solidgent7870]

When you spoke about dreams having certain rules and logic and you feel as though it's normal, it reminded me of a childhood dream where every half an hour, every floor and ground in the world would be spontaneously covered in worms for a while. But it was just like "oh it's nearly time for the worms again, better stand on a chair".

[@Mallachd]

The way you became my comfort streamer overnight. I found you on accident while in chemo and already binged all your gmod maps and creepy comfy. Ty for the videos.

[@Shlappz]

Probably doesn’t mean much coming from a faceless stranger on the other side of the planet, but good luck with your health. That stuff hits close to home for me. Wishing you the best

[@tripaloski_6971]

I hope you're doing well internet stranger.

[@eljefe9106]

Xayum

[@FranticDreamerOld]

Hope you're well mate

[@sheer_coolness]

Hope you get better friend

[@mattsopiratoso790]

15:31 This right here, is the most clever type of jumpscare that I've seen before. You are in a kind of non-euclidian space. It doesn't make sense, so naturally you would not give a fuck about it's layout, that's where you think you are safe because you know it's supposed to be that way, then it happens. This room has no furniture, and the other side is a perfect copy of the side you are on, since this is quite common as far as you have explored, you wouldn't expect this room to have a mirror. The only place where this map actually made me jump. 10/10

[@thetexanhusky]

Yeah, I think the audio clip that started playing at the pool room at 27:20 glitched out, which is very likely why you were hearing it throughout the map after that.

[@gregoryrasputin5364]

Yeah, exactly my thought

[@TheHattOnYouTube]

The sound that plays is so disturbing and sends chills down my spine when I hear the high piched scream.

[@foodistzen]

@@TheHattOnKZbin I hear them from my basement every day

[@TheHattOnYouTube]

@@foodistzen I'm going to choose to not think about that

[@LehySnek]

What if you kept hearing it after playing the map...?

[@GroovyDominoes]

thats exactly what makes liminal spaces special to me, the places look like something i'd see in my dreams

[@Vicerodixe]

Groovy :0

[@martinmacjon1703]

how has almost no one replied to this?

[@gameryeetboi3327]

i am actually subbed and i was so suprised when i saw this I've actually made my own Npc's are becoming smart game (or 2)

[@Soulstar1122Elle]

Groovy 🐝

[@Mach-2-Fishbed]

25:36 this hits a bit deep for me. In a lot of my scarier dreams/nightmares there is often a source engine game influence on them. Before I get to that though, I should mention the "view" per se. I often feel as if I'm drifting off to sleep, my vision is usually tilted/floaty and I often see it as if I'm fighting to keep my eyes open (and what little I do see is often quite blurry). The source engine part is it's as if I'm at my PC playing a game, but at the same time, I feel as if I'm in it, almost trapped somewhere between the two. In most cases, it's in very tight, illogical spaces. I often find myself opening the console to try and enter cheats/commands to help myself, yet the commands doing nothing. After trying that, I often find myself opening the menu and trying the Quit button only for it to have the same result, nothing. A lot of this is usually happening while something is following me, not so much chasing, but following. My mind tells me to get away from it, but I never quite can, it always catches up. I can never tell what it is either as it's never quite in sight and what little is seen is often a black jumbled mess. Sorry if all that made little sense, but "They WON'T let you leave!", especially in a source game map about dream spaces really freaks me out.

[@noblechaos8049]

I get what you mean. Time and time again I've had the same kind of nothing works but it NEEDS to for to to survive type nightmares

[@artemis1993]

I really hate it when you try your best to run away from whatever's chasing you, but no matter how much you run, it's *always* right behind you. That is, if you can even run properly (sometimes running inside a dream feels like you are trying to run underwater) Another thing i hate in dreams is hiding. 9 times out 10, hiding is completely useless - it's only a matter of time until i'm found somehow, even if i shouldn't have (logically) been found.

[@fusrosandvich3738]

I've heard tale that forcing yourself to look at the thing you're running from dispells that dream permanently, due to forcing your brain at gunpoint to figure out what the thing you're running from is. The brain can't come up with something good enough in time and so defaults to something like your family messing with you by scaring you, or literally nothing, whateved could be thought of in an instant basically.

[@ambi_cc8464]

i agree and have done this a few times, but i'd like to note that temporally alot of things in my dreams should be impossible given the circumstances; for example if i heard a plate drop irl in my sleep i would experience that in the dream as if i saw someone do something to make that sound in what feels like full seconds before i actually heard it, such that its *always* seamless and makes perfect sense, which personally i feel cant be explained logically unless certain logical parts of your brain arent being used or are extremely dampened like your sense of time (thus you could have the events you experience be changed dependent on other things that happen afterward but still experience it continuously) also sorry for the necro lol i just waned to add this since im revisiting alot of the librarian's older gmod vids @@fusrosandvich3738

[@whimsical1188]

42:30 the doors have a fog effect that makes it look like the outside of a gas station, but when you open them, it's an indoor pool cool

[@foodistzen]

very unsubtle

[@fabiotacconi9230]

13:30 i think the reason rooms seem so large and exagerated are because in dreams you might "fuse" some of your old memories as a child, a time where the world feels overwhelming and disproportionate to the size of a child, in the eyes of a child, the world is huge, it's got many many sensorial effects

[@thebabyman4689]

Dreams are so damn interesting, and I wish more was known about them. We percieve dreams completely differently with the exeption of a small quantity of loose connections, but it's those connections that really pique my mind. I've really enjoyed the video, great work!

[@Grandmaster-Kush]

There was a period where I had lucid dreams about 3 times a week for almost a year, almost all dreams involved me in a bombastic location like a city, or exploring ancient ruins in south america etc then it just stopped and I can remember like 1 dream a month at the most, I miss it :(

[@lineriderrulz]

I used to remember a lot of my dreams, though only had lucid ones lasting on the order of a few seconds. The problem is I was getting nightmares 8-9/10 nights and they got so disturbing I had to train myself to not remember dreams so I didn't dread sleeping or feel disturbed in mornings. The worst I had in recent memory was an ultra-realistic dream where I was at my parents' house with them and my sister and sirens started blaring. We went out in the front garden and many Russian ICBMs were flying overhead leaving trails in the sky. My family all cried and embraced and we said our goodbyes to each other, knowing we'd probably be dead within seconds. The feeling of dread was the worst thing though, it felt so real and absolutely terrifying to know that you and everything you ever knew was about to be suddenly erased in only a few seconds. I felt uncomfortable for the entire day after that nightmare. I don't like to think about it, but given what's going on at the moment, let's hope that nightmare wasn't a precognitive one...

[@Jepegish]

@@lineriderrulz Hopefully coincidental... given Ukraines current situation.

[@imnolongerasking5933]

Whenever I reach lucidity (especially in bad dream), I always thought the chase would be over until the things chasing me jump to the height I'm at.

[@midnightMoonlight09]

try keeping a journal of what you dream about, even if it's just "nothing" for that night it'll get your brain to start remembering them more often and eventually they'll start coming back to you, and maybe even becoming lucid more often

[@natalie_v0.0.1]

That sounds awesome. I want to lucid dream at least once, no luck yet

[@wickermind6668]

I love how I laughed at him getting scared of his own reflection, yet him moving his fucking hand at 20:09 made me spooked

[@danielc04]

It got me too lmao

[@drugsforhugs7106]

For real that was very unexpected

[@Slipy24]

Forgot it was vr for a moment and it got me aswell I was legit horrified for a hyper second

[@mem7562]

I was gonna make a 4-versed 1strophed poem about this, but I forgot it right away. This entire comment section is the first one in months which actually makes me take out the translator. Well done.

[@chrisa.2323]

Imagine playing like a makeshift hide and seek session with friends in this map

[@RowBlanka]

good stuff

[@mrwendigo3374]

Or prop hunt

[@IAmOnFireLol]

how about running from nextbots

[@IAmOnFireLol]

@hd01 maybe delete them

[@Icommittedarson]

Liminal spaces give a vibe of you being Unwanted. Like walking into a classroom you aren’t supposed to be in.

[@SixArmedSweater]

Part of why I’m fascinated by liminal spaces is that my dreams *aren’t* like this. I’ve got a really concrete sense of locations I’ve been, and my dreams make collages of those mental models, to the point where I can recognize every space I go through. A first grade classroom from my school will open up into the atrium of my childhood mall, followed by the street I used to live on, and they’ll all be instantly recognizable and almost flawlessly replicated. So liminal space content lets me experience an entirely different sort of dream than I actually have.

[@Jepegish]

Far more exciting as well. I'd imagine actually having one would be horrifying though!

[@ramsto_]

Game said "no more preparation for the intro, start NOW" *FNAF ambient noises*

[@EclipseGamer02]

I literally played this map yesterday and I was astonished, it looked simple at first from the workshop photos but it's really good. Oh and at 15:30 don't worry, that mirror gave me a heart attack too ahah, I'm sure the map dev made that room like that on purpose.

[@NathanDavisVideos]

Same here!

[@sentry3118]

The less directly scary/creepy parts of this map that lean more towards, dreamlike and serene and very pleasant to me. Like it 43:00 i'd love to swim in that, or the other water areas. Or the reddish brown room with tiled floor feels very comfy. Or the parts that feel almost like a normal house, but a bit strange and nit quite right, but not explicitly malevolent in any way.

[@daftmi9hty327]

"It's like I can hear a faint screaming" Also the scream "AAAAAAAAAAHHHH"

[@Iwidelyoutliveeverything]

the moment his reflection showed signs of being scared, my mind filled with a sense of safety. I felt like this new person was just as scared as us, so he must be an ally. Then I realized it was a mirror.

[@koigoi]

Something I read long ago about liminal spaces has really stuck with me because it applies to every single feeling of strangeness and dread. The reason liminal spaces work is because they're clearly spaces with known human design, but are also clearly inhospitable to any human life.

[@nuclearcosmos23]

That glitched screaming sound was driving me crazy and completely ruined the other half of the video for me next time you can try to use the console to stopsound and reset it great video either way as usual

[@antisocialvigilante7697]

Yeah i think the soundscape broke

[@tommyvercetti5029]

I highly recommend revisit Portal maps, they got weird, creepy atmosphere and sounds, even screams, i was spooked actually.

[@D_YellowMadness]

The writing on the walls is from Left 4 Dead. It's stuff previous visitors wrote in the safe rooms that people set up for survivors to camp out in on their way to wherever they're going. The part about letting you on but not letting you leave might be referring to the weirdly placed chairs in this case. I was thinking there should be an area where there's a bathroom you have to walk past to get to a door that obvious leads to the next area so you can obviously just skip the bathroom if you want but you'll never know if there was something creepy in there. That's almost exactly what the very next thing they did was after I thought about it. Ever since I was a kid, I've always found bathrooms at night with the door partially open really creepy. I still sometimes lock my door after returning to my bedroom because I have this paranoid idea of something from the bathroom following me back to my room even if I walked past the bathroom without ever entering it. Music in dreams is different for me. My mind writes actual music that stays in my head after I wake up but I forget how it went about an hour or so after I wake up. I relate to the part about dreams often being frustrating. I've had a lot of dreams where I'm lost or trying to remember what I'm doing or figure out how I'm supposed to do it & it's often not even scary but just frustrating. I even once had a dream about trying to sleep & not being able to. I find a normal room in a weird place threatening because it's the place most likely to actually have someone or something in it. People aren't generally gonna hang out in an empty wet room or a room with nothing but a bunch of chairs & a toilet. But a room with two beds & a TV? That's where the murders happen.

[@foodistzen]

Finally a proper liminal map

[@jerestan8064]

Yeah not just a backroom map

[@CrabmanReturns]

Personally the reason I think “dream spaces” are creepy is because they appear so foreign , like a weird monster tried to replicate a human space but also bend it into a trap it understands

[@BlueTurboFox]

Okay but the part about the ‘dreams never really let everything go your way’ is so true. Like I’ve had countless dreams where I’d be angrily yelling and then my voice would just give out for no reason

[@theluignator]

The switch from the gameplay with those distorted screams in the background to the gameplay afterwards with none at all, made the second playthrough more creepier. It’s almost as if, between the time of the two gameplays, or dreams as the case would be here, something took out the being making the noises, something that is much more of a threat then whoever it was screaming could be. I can say one thing for sure, having no ambient sounds in this case did make it creepier to me.

[@theluignator]

As for said screams playing since the ballroom in the dark, I think of it like, getting into the nightmare part of a dream, and managing to escape, but nothing seems to be the same since that moment.

[@hroberson3397]

Maybe it's a bit of an inkblot, but some of this seemed like it was meant to evoke elements/themes of childhood trauma. For example the crying noises, and ESPECIALLY the "better safe than sorry" with two different mattresses, a soiled and clean one. Soiled mattresses in horror games with childhood themes always only makes me think of one thing.

[@tdoyr2119]

I once had this dream where I died and that the afterlife took place in a parallel universe, but with no animals or anything. Just me in this strange, dark world. And not dark as in nighttime dark, but like somebody draped a curtain over the sun and it was all in an uncomfortable amount of light, where you strain to see but can still make out colors and such. I also felt like I wan being crushed the whole time, like the world was almost flat in a way, despite being fully formed and spacious. I subconsciously knew that I would reside in this space for eternity, and that really made my dream-self depressed. Also, there was still a way to communicate with people, and that was with the internet. For some reason, I would be able to message people on things like discord, but images and videos never loaded. Also, every website seems to have been reverted to their state in 2010-2013, even though I never actually experienced seeing them in that state during that time. KZbin and other social media were also completely nonfunctional, and audio was absent the entire time, including things like my own breathing and footsteps. I also couldn’t leave the house for some reason, I was just stuck. I always felt like I needed more air in my lungs and I had a thick cloth over my mouth. All the plants were a yellowish-brown and half-dead, like you would see in a desert. It felt like the dream lasted for literal days. But as the days passed in my dream, the light level wouldn’t change and I always felt like I was a a little tired, but could never sleep. When I woke up, I realized that most of the undesirable effects came from me laying face-down on a pillow with another pillow on top. Also, did I mention that I felt really hot and damp? That was because I had a thick blanket over my entire body, including my head. The moral of the story is: don’t sleep with a pillow over your mouth and nose and a blanked covering your entire body

[@josephi9219]

Frustration plays a huge role in my dreams trying to get away from something sinister only to not make it away in time due to running in slow motion, trying to defend myself only for my hands to swing like they’re made of lead, trying to reach a goal only to make no progress to it.

[@SonnoMaku]

11:30 I have this dream all the time. I've been out of school since 2012 and I have this constant recurring dream of going back to school and not knowing which class I'm supposed to be in. The last time was a couple weeks ago. It's to the point where I now realize I'm having the dream again while in the dream and it wakes me up.

[@fabiotacconi9230]

you can see his hands shaking the whole time, i love these videos, i usually take a few snacks and drinks and watch these in the dark with a light i have that's about the same as a candle, it's very relaxing

[@TehUltimateSnake]

Yup feels like I'm right there with him exploring these creepy maps.

[@StitchPen]

Can't say I expected this! I saw it on the front page of the GMOD workshop but didn't think much about it. Cool to see you playing it.

[@redfalcon8062]

This showed up in my recommendations after watching some "Places you've seens in your dreams". And you're right about Liminal Spaces. It's about nostalgia. Places you think you've been there before but haven't. Sometimes your mind is able to construct some scenarios that you've only seen your dreams. Liminal Spaces are an amazing thing man I tell ya lol. I'm glad some people find the Liminal Spaces that are on the internet too. It gets rid of that annoyance of me trying to figure out where a picture of a Liminal Space is located.

[@TechNinjaSigma]

42:30 I can somewhat relate because a similar, fearful thought came to me after watching the Arthur Locked in the Library episode

[@Pluvillion]

That first graffiti is from Left 4 Dead. It’s found specifically in the caboose at Death Toll - The Church. In fact, most assets and graffiti in this map are taken from Left 4 Dead (like the dead bodies, Stache Whacker in the arcade, the “pizza restaurant” being Burger Tank, the slides from Dark Carnival, the jewerly store aisles and tables from Dead Center). It either adds to the “dream-like” feeling or the whole immersion gets ruined because you know where they came from. But hey, this is Source engine. The things created with this engine are downright just crazy sometimes.

[@generatoralignmentdevalue]

It's fascinating listening to you talk about how dreams work in your own experience, because just over half of your generalizations are true in my own experience. tbh I was more engaged by your monologue than the map.

[@ashtongleed4980]

Your comment about frustration being a general theme in dreams is something I find very true. For some reason the things we know we would want or want to do in real life, are always barely out of reach in dreams. I also find in many of my dreams a sense of helplessness, like not being able to understand why something isn't right, or being able to make sense of something.

[@Slipy24]

At 20:09your hand scared the crap outta me it made my heart drop

[@TheOneGuy1111]

Interesting. The idea of returning to the same place that you view as so integral to dreams is something that almost never happens to me in dreams.

[@Tyrless]

In dreams: It's always awkward to swing something or to fight back in lucid dreams. I don't know the full detail as to why this is a thing but more than likely because it has to deal with dreams being an altered sense of reality. Just something I wanted to share sense it fitted the theme of dreams :p

[@funni_noises]

The main this is that it’s a world the brain is making without any outside info getting in. Built entirely from memory so physics and stuff work how your brain can remember it but as it messes up it alters how it will work when it happens again

[@RealityRogue]

One thing I found fascinating is just how different you and I’s dreams actually are. It really depends on the mindset of the person at the current moment. Mine usually leans on the fantastical, coming up with unique worlds and adventures. I tend to write them down and use them as inspiration in the real world. But I won’t deny I’ve had some dreams where I’ve been stuck in cramped endless rooms and houses. If I’m particularly stressed out I’ll end up feeling chased, without seeing what it is. Or my teeth start breaking mid-conversation with someone.

[@rightsider]

mine are consistently non sensical, and it makes me wonder what exactly is on my subconscious mind during the day lol

[@faeronix]

With my school dreams, it's always me either being at an old version of my school, seeing classes i used to be in (during summer break) or me forgetting SPECIFICALLY my shoes at home, as if i walked to the car at some moment without a transition from home to school and I float out of the car and I'm like "oh wait, i forgot my shoes at home." only till i realize I'm dreaming, it shortly after just ends because I can think in my dream without talking.

[@rahim4725]

The screams started following you since the dark pool area. They didnt stop after you left. Even in the areas they didnt play before. Thats makes me feel like something found you and its coming for you. The screams are like a mark left on you so it will always know where you are.

[@sobasicallyimsalad9367]

15:32 i saw the flashlight reflection and was like "oh its a mirror room" and a lot of times its librarian's reaction that scares me. this was another one of those times.

[@unfairkibbles3226]

You were spot on with the genre change in dreams. One minute I'll be running from Chucky. The next I'm hanging out with him

[@TheMiGger]

This was scary as hell. Every single second of it, I thought something was gonna get really wrong really fast. I don't usually dream like this, I tend to have more "realistic" dreams (not always tho), but every image in here struck me really badly, like I knew every inch of that map was a trap.

[@Beshauw]

loved seeing that one scene from Kane Pixels video at 6:58

[@fuumdium1738]

I’ve always enjoyed listening to The Librarian talk about liminal spaces in relation to dreams, cause it’s something that resonates with me and my own dreams, and at around 13:30 when he’s talking about space, and how it’s exaggerated in dreams, I thought back to a dream I’d had a while ago, I remember getting on this bus, that from the outside looked perfectly normal, but when you got into it, the seats were placed weirdly, almost like a coach you’d ride as a kid in school going to some day out, and I remember this bus extending out further than it should, and once you reached the back, there was a doorway in which the buses structure turned right, and there was more seating in a long line to the right, and until I woke up I never questioned that the geometry of the bus wasn’t possible, like it was non-Euclidean in nature Thinking about it now, I’ve also always seen different styles in my dreams, in the sense that you could walk from something that looked like real life into something that looked like Borderlands (as an example) and it would seemingly mesh naturally and I wouldn’t question it within the dream, but outside I’d realise the strangeness of those two very different styles, something that’s also explored within the liminal aesthetic, when looking at artists such as Trevor Henderson

[@gordonfreeman8109]

I love how this map uses so many HL2 Beta sounds

[@grumpydixie1645]

not really surprised that the creator of the map used half life 2 beta sounds for the map, i think it kinda fits the whole liminal space idea, especially the beta citadel sounds

[@commodore7331]

the dream you were describing about not being able to find any of your classes, i've had EXACTLY that. some moments that stuck out to me were when i found the bathroom, it was a massive room about the size of an indoor waterpark lit only by the bright yellow light flooding in through the large windows. it contained a maze of bathroom tiles that was short enough for you to see over them and sparatically lined with frail pipes and showerheads. another moment that stuck out to me was when i got up to the top level from the elevator, it led up to a tight office type corridor with plain white walls and boring carpeted floors (especially weird because this place was supposed to be my middle school which is a very old building made entirely of asbestos) the corridor turned and winded around with absolutely no consistency and the wall on the left side of me was always entirely just a window that showed a vague outside (you could tell it was outside, but i cant put my finger on any specific type of environment or biome) the window also did not show any part of the buildings exterior which should have been visible because it kept turning and looping back in over itself.

[@aydenzgamer]

(video starts) Ominous FNAF music plays. The Librarian: Well thats a strange noise to start off with

[@ashtongiertz8728]

14:40 weird, I'm usually able to get away from things in my dream, usually because I have allies assisting me while we're all on the run from one thing or another. Usually it's people in suits, but other times its been things like tribalistic naked women, a Kaiju, or even the the EXPLOSION OF THE FREAKING SUN.

[@D_YellowMadness]

Same here. My dreams used to be more like what he described in that regard but I actually almost never have actual nightmares anymore. Sometimes, there'll be some kind of threat at one point like it could turn into a nightmare but I usually just avoid it or escape from it so the dream just goes on being totally mundane. One example was when I was having a normal dream about hanging out at home with my family & I saw a jockey from Left 4 Dead 2 trying to get in the window. It operated on video game rules where the window was arbitrarily unbreakable (or the jockey was just too dumb to break it considering it was just strafing left & right against the window in confusion) so we just ignored it & lived our lives. I've had similar dreams where a totally out-of-place wild animal is in our yard like a grizzly bear so I just close the curtains & warn everyone so we just don't go outside or call its attention to our presence & we just go on like it's not there. Realistically, that would still be scary but in my dreams, it's not for some reason.

[@Ky-Nas]

_tribalistic_ _naked women_ That doesn't necessarily sound like a nightmare, unless it's on some _The Forest_ type shit I suppose. Even still that's a very oddly specific antagonist.

[@wilhufftarkin8543]

If you haven't yet, you should definitely play Max Payne 2. There are a couple of levels in that game set within nightmares of the protagonist and man, I have never seen the feeling and atmosphere of a dream, especially of a nightmare, represented so well in a game. I still think about it from time to time. The most realistic thing about that is that these dream levels borrow environments from levels you played before and arranges them in a nonsensical way, but the transitions are as smooth as in a real dream. For example, one level starts in a police station, which suddenly becomes your appartment complex and later it becomes the hospital in which the protagonist woke up at the start of the game. There are also many weird things not quite right in these dream levels. It's hard to explain but if you have never played it, you will love it.

[@hunterofthemist7159]

this video feels like im watching someone trapped in a dream and their just talking to keep themselves sane, i love the vibe. its very ingaging

[@dhoffnun]

Many of my favorite spaces in "games" are ones that use the familiar in an unfamiliar way. Also I've totally been on the infinite dream slide.

[@thedukeofweasels6870]

"A childhood dream but they Shut off the lights and locked them in" maybe the liminal space uncanniness with this nostalgic association is about a the instinctual fear of corruption of innocence like you said it's also magical until the day you finally know better and then you're permanently changed and can't go back and all of your previous interactions are cast in a completely different light it's a type of death you'll never be that person again

[@JoyScreams]

Best way of describing liminal spaces in short is, "Weird but strangely nostalgic architecture"

[@zengakukatsu]

When you mentioned childhood dreams and a slide that goes to nowhere, I vividly recalled a dream as a kid where I went down a slide that got progressively steeper and tighter until I was stuck with no way out. It terrified me as a child, so thanks for reminding me.

[@party4lifedude]

I had similar dreams about those indoor playgrounds with the tubes and tunnels and slides going in all directions and a lot of verticality yet no risk of injury. And as I got a little older, I had similar dreams but with malls and indoor water parks and these vast structures that are like malls, but they are more like indoor cities.

[@twistedturk5708]

Oooh yea ive had countless school dreams in general, specifically of high school, and forgetting what class youre meant to be going to happens pretty often for me. Usually my thought process during them is just increasing anxiety that im gonna be late for class. Oh and sometimes it's not even forgetting what class i need to go to but more the fact that i cant remember where my locker is or what the combination is. All those fears of which stem from not knowing what class i went to next during the first week or two of a new school year or just somehow suddenly losing the muscle memory of what numbers to turn to when opening my locker. School dreams are pretty common for me, and they also kinda happen to be my favorite kinds of dreams, even if i didnt enjoy school before i graduated. That sentiment of enjoying dreams also extends to other ones in general, and it's rare that i have a dream that i really didnt enjoy going through after waking up

[@Asghar19019]

These maps are literally the best honestly

[@MrGooGone]

NGL these maps are way scarier to me than horror games. I think the fact they aren't listed as horror makes me feel way less prepared, and consequently it feels more like real life fear of the unknown.

[@Miidnatt]

I really enjoyed this map, its both a liminal and a cool map, love the diffirent areas. But it almost feels like something is watching you explore these unknown spaces…

[@scrithen2836]

I wish i had dreams like you describe, my dreams are either a completely different universe, like wizard shit, or a perfectly reasonable real life situation, nothing strange about it, i rarely get anything in the midrange, well, i do, i just forget them instantly without any time to write em down

[@bournelucid]

Another thing about running in dreams is the infinite endurance you have, i remember running away from a polar bear across a continent for days.

[@sinisterscribbles]

There’s something particularly haunting about that distorted screaming sound midway through onwards in the play through. It feels very off, like torture is happening in the other room yet always out of reach from actually being witnessed. Not to think too deep about it or pretend like it’s super important, but it does sound very familiar to me, like sub consciously in a dream I’ve heard something similar if not the exact same sound. Creepy.

[@sinisterscribbles]

With that being said, I really enjoy your liminal space map play through videos. Insomnia kinda kicks me down a lot but your videos, creepy or not, do aid in helping me sleep. There’s something particularly comforting about the subject matter to me. Appreciate your work.

[@creepernator152]

Really sorry about that distorted screaming that got stuck on loop, its a bug that for some reason loops that sound when you walk into the soundscape, I will try to fix this soon. You missed one room in the big airport area (the massive area that the red room leads to) on the side of the room there are various blacked out windows, one of them has a door you can open that leads to a restaurant area. Thank you for making a video on the map, I am very happy that you enjoyed your time in it!

[@TheHattOnYouTube]

I'm assuming you are the creator of the map, you did an excellent job at making it! Also that torture like sound is very terrifying you did a good job with it. (Minus the audio bug)

[@creepernator152]

@@TheHattOnKZbin that sound is just part of a soundscape from half life 2, it is not intended to continue playing after leaving that room, i will try to fix this in the next update. Thank you for the kind words

[@TheHattOnYouTube]

@@creepernator152 I'm also assuming it's one of the sounds from the Citadel, right?

[@creepernator152]

@@TheHattOnKZbin yep

[@ForgetfulHatter]

i love how many iconic images have been built into this map. the toilet with the chairs the staircase @ 40:25 its a real treat for anyone who looks at liminal spaces alot

[@phost2]

Lol the fnaf ambience as the cold opening definitely set the mood

[@FurasCebulowy]

3:20 I've also had a dream with a place like this as a kid except there were actually kids playing there like everything is ok.

[@odinstone5038]

Usually when a sound or audio file keeps looping just type /stop sound and if it comes back then you know it’s supposed to be there. Sometimes gmod gets a loop going as a bug. That should help with the radio screaming.

[@fuzziau5669]

for those covered furniture strewn about in the exaggeratedly large living area... I think something that much more eerie is the fact you also usually see such things in the event someone has died, or is a place of a violent event to cover up the gore or at least, keep it preserved.

[@fuzziau5669]

as for dreams in general however... ive had many unique dreams, and in particular I remember such ones alluding towards a place of childhood. I distinctly recall a dream where I was in this seemingly underground open-play area where masses of children played with laser tag or other toy guns, perhaps hiding in corners for their games or even watching movies in this dark overall setting with dimly lit smaller colourful lights scattered around. it felt as if adults did not exist when you were there, it was guide-less and chaotic, something I felt was out of place in such an absurd way... everything felt so unnaturally designed, but with such intent that it was ominous never mind the fact that the other children were seemingly unbothered by this observation. it was alien to me, unfamiliar and eerie. as if whoever, whatever made it... had some malice behind its design

[@fuzziau5669]

another kind of dream I feel is unique is the kind that gives you a sense of displaced comfort. places that feel antique, disconnected by the modern world so much its as if youre at your grandparents place when you were barely old enough to remember. as if those memories you had were just as exaggerated as you recall them, with warm, open, quiet and vintage aesthetics that give you some odd and profound sense of comfort, but equally, a sense of discomfort in the sense that you dont see, or hear anyone or anything. an infinite maze of these rooms in odd proportions, only making as much sense as what a child could ever make when they were only a few years old, the point where their consciousness is barely even self-recognised and their perspective of persistence continues to grow. its messy, and unnatural. something I think people would also feel the same about are childhood memories that feel so distant, that youre unsure if it truly existed. ive had this memory of when I was a child, I believe the age of 5 or 6, that we had this really intense weather one night. me and my younger sister shared a room on the back end of the house, beside our parents room. I was watching an old animated superman movie, something ive yet to find the name of again to this day, but just halfway through the first part of the film... the weather was so severe that the power gave out... for whatever reason, out the window on the side where my sleeping younger sister was at.. I see this subtle "shimmer" emitting in the vast void of the midnight dark. I approach in morbid curiosity, for whatever reasons, unbothered or unafraid... by the time I approached, I looked through the cheap dirty glass to the right that would show you the dirt paved road towards our then farm house in the middle of nowhere. only across from my window on the other side would be a yard full of broken down vintage machines such as tractors and cars. but instead of that, I saw a void, and the only source of light being this figure made of light, the one I call the "Technicolour Man". this figure was almost blinding, their silhouette the only thing that could even be determined as a man, and all the light within being this pastel but blinding ever-changing mess of colours that the human mind could think of and more. I was frozen in place as I saw this man slowly walk past my window, only a few meters from it seemingly without any care about my presence on the other side of the wall. the figure only walking upwards towards the front of the house before I never saw them again. to this day I have a hard time believing if this figure truly existed, and to this day I refuse to think they didn't, the memory is so vivid and engrained into my mind, and each step of this memory being so unique and realistic to my own reality back then, I do think I am convinced that such creature did pass by my window past midnight as I was this young child.

[@fuzziau5669]

another dream I hilariously recall is quite brief but essentially it was a dream of my 8th birthday, it started with my outside of this hall that was from my primary school in Bega, NSW. when I opened the door to peek inside, I saw ballet dancers going into this infinite abyss where the hall expanded as far as the eyes could see, but seemingly lit evenly and cheerfully that it didn't induce any sort of concern. I remained outside of this hall, standing atop the stairs that headed down towards this dirt path surrounded by cornfields and a playground, even a giant water tower in the background of the corn, asserting its presence above everything and everyone. when I made it down the last step, Krusty the Clown approached me, offering me chocolate to which I rudely dismissed, flinging the treats that were sat on a tray which was strung around his neck and on their bloated chest. it upset them, but for whatever reason I showed no remorse. after this it got more hazy, however I do recall the female character and male character from the Goody movie, I had a subtle crush on the female main character, and for whatever reason had a seething hatred towards the male character - perhaps jealousy of sorts, but I do believe it ended with me and the female character being together and walking through the corn fields. I must admit, it was quite the unique series of events within a dream for a 7-year-old

[@jordantinucci3509]

I relate to this heavily, especially with things feeling natural to you in dreams.

[@dymaxion3988]

Your description of having dreams where you’re in a huge fantastical kids play area, but alone after dark; that is what fnaf security breach literally is. It’s a shame it didn’t turn out that great, because at least to me, the premise and setting is an awesome idea and i would’ve wanted to see it done better.

[@cayden3410]

It's always so fascinating to hear about how dreams work as a person who doesn't dream, whenever I go to bed, it's just a blink into the next day, maybe I DID dream, but my brain just erases it every night? Maybe there's more, maybe there's not. I am not quite sure and I don't think I will ever be... That's sort of creepy, really.

[@fettar2605]

14:58 i remember having a dream there. The carpet was green and the two rooms had different uses. The door at the end of the hallway led to a larger hallway. The first room on the left had no door and 2 turquoise sofas. The second room had no door either but it had a bed with brown covers. I remember how the dream started, my friend sent a snap of this abandoned shipyard or something and then i jumped a fence into a small paved backyard then came thru a glass sliding door into there.

[@normified]

I love the casual introduction with Fnaf 1 ambience lmaoo

[@Thunderbolt-Racing]

Hey, if you think the idea of a body of water in a dark room is creepy and weird: Be me, go to swimming practice at 4pm on a weekday. Because it's such an off-peak time during the winter in the UK there are only me and like three other kids in the whole-ass swimming pool. Now normally at this swimming practice, during that time of year it was pitch black outside and brightly lit inside. That alone was a surreal enough environment that it sticks out in my head as being liminal. However there was one particular day when the power actually went out, bathing the entire pool in darkness for a few minutes till the generators kicked back in. Other than the inital shock of lights suddenly going out it didn't really *scare* me that much, but it stands out in my mind as being a supremely odd situation. What was so unnatural to me though was the sound, it was so silent. Normally in films and that when there's a powercut, it's accompanied by some big poppin noise or a bunch of sparks, not so irl though. Just sudden unannounced darkness, followed shortly by screaming children. Not just the lights though, all the other electrical equipment in the whole building went out and that's what struck me, normally there's the humming of vents or ac equipment or pumps or something, but all that stopped leaving me with just the splashing sounds and the eerie echoing wails of the like three other kids that were there. Something about that, with half the usual soundscape but not the other half, was so odd to me that it stood out in my memory. The other weird thing I rememeber about that is that with the lights off, the water somehow felt colder. Like logically I know it wasn't because such a huge volume of water takes ages to heat up and cool down. But something about the pitch blackness made it feel like the water was sapping all the heat and energy from my body. Anyway, sorry for the rant, but you managed to dig up an old old memory of mine that I'd completely forgotten about until you mentioned that now. Probably the most surreal and liminal experience I've had to date, the idea that that happened to me and was left untouched in my memory for decades just adds to that fact and is literally sending chills down my spine as I type this XD

[@NathanDavisVideos]

11:48 - I've had those same dreams TOO myself when I was younger. When you try to run; but you can't.

[@ahcangela8549]

I don't know if anyone has pointed this out, but that room that shows up twice in with different textures at 23:40 and 51:54 is a recreation of a Mario 64 room that is often used as a "liminal space" image. The original also features a checkered ceiling and walls painted with a hills and sky pattern. However in the original image, the camera is located near the lower door and pointed up towards the balcony. A lot of those areas are of course recreations of famous "liminal space" environments, but I just thought that was a fun one.

[@Tulip_bip]

The reason why dreams are so strange is because your brain is just mashing together memories randomly. The reason why things are so empty and strange is because a lot of those memories are fading away

[@Maeve-The-Brave]

Definitely all seems so familiar and uncanny. Idk if it’s from my dreams necessarily, but I’ve certainly seen these things somewhere

[@gemgoska9102]

I love your reference to Twin Peaks at around the 30:23 mark. It shows the red rooms would be classed as a liminal space.

[@supersublimegenki9432]

Seeing unnatural abandoned structures is just creepy. Something that was “lived in” suddenly be devoid of life is unsettling

[@jesuscrust5846]

This is an older vid but I've been watching a lot of your videos and this one def hit home a little harder. I had a lot of dreams/nightmares similar to these environments. Gmod assets don't quite do it but the meaning is still conveyed. Especially when it comes to the"fun house" style rooms and the indoor playground centers, such as the discovery zone. Things would be contorted and could easily slip into a nightmare. A lot of them would be recurring, especially ones contained within my childhood home, which happens to be over a century old(as of current year). Familiar doors would open to rooms reminiscent of the "pool rooms" but without water and I would get trapped in the nonsensical architecture while being observed/taunted by unknown figures. I could go on and on about specific dreams, which is kind of baffling to me bc I didn't think they still existed in my memory until some of these maps started triggering some sort of pseudo nostalgia. The more liminal space media I engage with the more it occurs. So further down the rabbit hole I go. Keep up the great content, it's quite fun watching you put yourself through these maps. Especially in VR. Would love to see some "co-op" or guests who are mostly unknowing of what they are getting themselves into join in. I know it can take the scariness factor down, but a good map design could overcome that I think.

[@tbuk8350]

To answer your question, I completely relate to everything you said about dreams. They're often just barely unsatisfying in the end, and it seems like when going into new areas, what the area looks like is influenced by your mood at the time. Like, if you're just chilling and having fun, the areas will be these big open nice places, but if you're running from something, they'll be super cramped with everything possible in the way trying to stop you. Edit: The thing about daylight indoors is super accurate. I think the reason is that most of our time spent indoors is, well, indoors. We aren't usually looking out windows, we just know it's daytime from the light shining in through them. Once we go into a dream, our brain creates the world as we normally experience it, but once we go and do something odd, and look out the window, our brain doesn't have a way to fill in that gap anymore, because it would break the dream if the world suddenly changed. Edit 2: 39:11 That seems to be a recreation of a very famous liminal space photo. I've seen the original before. If I find the image, I'll link it here.

[@DarkwaveMistress]

Long comment ahead. This was really interesting, so many spaces that brought back memories. I was a kid/teen in the 90's. I like how many of those areas feel like places I know. For me, the creepiness of the liminal public space is that I actually was in a similar place but now it's wrong and impossible. Personally, the most unsettling ones were the home spaces. Sometimes you feel like just a second before you came in, someone left. They had dark staircaises. Rooms that were out of place, that feel inhabited by a stranger invading your house. One thing I also liked was the use of darkness and light, how sometimes it was impossible to know if we were inside or outside. That comes up a lot in my dreams, moments where it's difficult to know if I'm inside or outside, light and dark don't make sense, and the boundary between private and public life blurs and makes you feel exposed and trapped at the same time. When you mentioned murals, I felt what you meant. There's something really uncanny about spaces that want to emulate the outdoors by being clearly fake. They're not even trying to feel real. Weird vibe. Also, that area at 30:40 is just like the one in the Best of Blood music video by Malice Mizer (a jrock band) lol that put a smile on my face.