Percent Containment and Prescribed Fire

[@susanmullaney9359]

I was glad when you said the fire was out and knew that your analysis/conclusion would be factually true despite sounding at odds with the containment percentage. And now I've learned what the containment numbers mean.

[@KatSchlitz]

"A fire can be out and uncontained..." Wow! Learning!

[@caseybmusic]

New to the channel. Thank you for these videos this week. Your information, data, and presentation have been so helpful in helping me and my family in Los Angeles understand wildfire better. This kind of expertise delivered with calm energy and empathy is rare. Thank you!

[@WildWestGal]

I learn so much from these videos, thank you!

[@ShulaMG]

Great video. Great information. Thank you.

[@makego]

Extremely valuable information. Thank you! We need to have people who actually know what they're talking about have platforms where we can all learn and promote the design of better systems to manage these problems. The wagging tongues and conspiracists are just so much noise drowning out the signal of real knowledge, learning, and better design, i e., policies, resource allocation, and actions.

[@charleensampson6816]

Very informative.....Knowledge is power....This needs to get out to the masses to help prevent these disasters....Much gratitude Zeke! 💯👍🎉

[@DanielinLaTuna]

Thanks for sharing, especially the information about engaging with the local indigenous people. When the Spanish colonists were setting up their missions in costal California (think Mission San Diego, San Gabriel, Santa Barbara, etc) the padres would write in their letters “The crazy natives (“los indios”) are starting fires again!” Did Europeans not know anything about intentional burning?

[@germansnowman]

Kaman K-MAX, my favourite helicopter! Thanks for your informative videos.

[@ThomasKnight-h2q]

The best! Thank you for what you do and the outstanding integrity you show. We don’t forget things that sear us to our souls, it’s human. Those memories guide us, they are the wisdom of experience it’s you. Peace be with you life is not easy but it beats the alternatives. Love to you

[@mikepallister3037]

Understand the science, don’t question experts, thanks for your expertise in science fire management

[@loismiller7742]

Great info!

[@squerry]

Just want to say I love your videos! I just recommended you to followers of California Weather Watch. I recommend that to all followers here. Fire nerd here, weather nerd there. Awesome crossover. Thank you!

[@sharonjones7674]

Appreciate the post, I too got scorched regarding the percentage from the last video I shared. Lol I wasn't worried because I've followed you for a bit. I just suggested if they wanted to learn and know more, watch the other info. 👍🙏🌷

[@beckyjohnstone1610]

Native American primarily burned in the fall as they were leaving hunting areas. Rains were usually on their way. I'm concerned that we are shifting species by scheduling almost all prescribed burns during spring months. I also know that delayed watering on grass seed fields after burning can severely impact seed production an important component of bird and rodent feed. I'm also concerned that some fire managers aren't familiar with the local vegetation. In 2007 I was repeatedly told thst they weren't worried about fire getting into the grassy meadow since the grass was still green. I kept telling them it was sedge, not grass and that it would ignite with the first sparks.

[@TheLookout1]

There's a lot of focus on the ecology with our burns here in Butte County. We've got some great ecologists and native folks steering our programs. We have had some burns in late spring/early summer to target star thistle in places whereit is dominating the native veg, but the long-term goal is to taper those burns off after the thistle are reduced. Most of our landowner burns are in the fall and midwinter.

[@beckyjohnstone1610]

@TheLookout1 I'm glad to hear that. I'm not seeing that kind of timing in Idaho. It's been very frustrating.

[@MarcosElMalo2]

Thanks!

[@LalaBala-iq4kc]

Thanks sir excellent information you provided

[@rosepierce2648]

Thank you for helping keep us in formed and teaching us to understand the maps. Thank you God Bless you and your family!

[@michaelkhoo5846]

Fascinating video, thanks for posting this.

[@davidkeatley4188]

Great content really appreciate what your doing !! Thank you

[@RICDirector]

There is 'contained', where fireline surrounds the fire; this is where you see the percentages, determined by the amout lined out of the entire length of the perimeter. These lines generally hold the fire for firefighters to go in and mop up, establishing control. 'Controlled', where defensible line is complete around the whole fire, and the fire is not expected to progress in the predicted upcoming conditions. 'Out' is when a fire is completely extinguished, without remaining live fire in the perimeter. Caveats: it isnt easy to completely extinguish a wildland fire. Roots burn and can smolder for a surprisingly long time; snags and even formerly live trees must be removed to prevent hazards and fire rekindling later. Thats why you will often just see 'contained 100%' or 'controlled' rather than 'out'. Hope that helps!

[@ThomasKnight-h2q]

Thank you great work.

[@ethanswanson9209]

Thanks for this explanation. When I lived in Rapid City, I think I remember a nearby fire going from high to low containment due to wind making it take off.

[@jmoto385]

Thankyou Zeke!

[@KK-rc5ds]

I know about containment percentage by listening to you during past fires. My son lived in Sonoma County and I had 100+ family members is Paradise during fires there.

[@stuweiss-zi9rc]

Zeke - a “tour de force” of fire management and fighting. Thanks! I look forward to the Steinberg structure footage and your interpretation.

[@jamesdunlap3962]

Great channel! Thanks for your good work. You need to do an episode on “what went wrong” with the Pacific Palisades fire. We need you just weigh in on how it at all happened and what failures allowed it to happen.

[@suburbanhousewife40]

Thank you for sharing your understanding. Prescribed burns seem very effective. Can’t do that in a windstorm, tho, right? What are best practices?

[@pwrhr]

More calm fire. Controls the smoke too

[@susanmullaney9359]

Thank you for eradicating yellow star thistle!

[@francesg.1587]

Great show! Thank you!!

[@Allium_369]

Very cool This information needs to get out to everyone in California. Everyone is extremely scared of fire right now.

[@harrycraviotto2375]

Tear in the cover that goes over reservoir, and drain the whole think, middle of fire season, WOW!

[@liesbethvanderpoel3855]

Thanks

[@davashorb6116]

You're cool!

[@lulufulu4867]

Agree the language is important. Especially the ratings of fires to convey the severity in a way that describes what is going to happen. “Extreme” doesn’t convey the severity, any conditions related to the Santa Ana wind phenomenon should be rated “catastrophic’.

[@lauracochran3213]

👍 thank you

[@PerpetualAbidance]

Can you / should you / do they do controlled burns in chaparral?

[@DanielinLaTuna]

I wish he had video of burning chaparral… It’s the predominant vegetation in SoCal; I’m sure the hill around Chico should have it as well. I’ve only passed through there once. Had a Sierra Nevada pale ale with lunch.

[@JD_49]

After the Marshall fire in CO that burned up 1,000+ structures a few years ago in winter, we are now having a goat grazing company come and have goats clear out all live and dead vegetation along the edges of our town. fertilizer for the ground from their poop, cool to see, reduced fire risk, less rattle snakes hiding in tall grasses and free food for the goats. It's a win all around. With a $850 million budget for the LAFD, you gotta wonder why no one has ever decided to do fire mitigation like this. Would it be the cities preventing it? Seems crazy that a desert environment with very little natural water sources and rain, and with millions of people would not look to mitigate fire damage. Surely goat grazing doesn't cost a lot. Better than prescribed fires in my opinion.

Can u turn up volume on your commentary please. In Japan where we reside part of the time a good fire burn got out of hand some years ago at the base of Mt. Fuji. I was very surprised because the Japanese operate at such a high level of expertise especially when it comes to fire prevention, management and controls. I guess that is the risk nomatter how good you think you may be.

[@opellouisedalsh5192]

Grassland burn...glad to learn Prarie Chickens are there...since having been recorded as extinct & reintroduced in UK. Thank you...stay safe.

[@theresi1008]

I lived in brisbane/south san francisco here in the bay area when i was young. saw controlled burns all the time. They were pretty normal so I don't remember how often. In South San Francisco, we lived across the street from a hill/mountain. our living room patio door faced the hill and we used to sit on our couch and have a front row seat to the common action of maintaining our lands to keep everyone and everything safe. In the video right now you are calling them prescribed burns but I was a kid so prolly I'm not using the right words. sorry bout that.

[@DebraDockler-os2sb]

Zeck I am concerned about Corning and redbluff and Anderson so maybe 🤔 you can help with your service please 🙏

[@hannah4peace]

People should know the speed on the Nebraska Prairie was speeded up!

[@KarenTewart]

Is there another native grass which we can plant to choke out the star thistle?

[@debratakagawa4764]

What does a preemptive fire look like in a brush area?

[@jimblacic]

Thanks for the info, but what about "controlled burns" that get out of hand? For instance, can you comment on the Los Alamos, NM wild fire of about 30 years ago that got out of control and burned into the town site and the Los Alamos National lab?

[@ValerieBurge]

@@jimblacic That fire happened in the year 2000. I remember cause it's the year I got married and my husband's best man was living with us cause he had been evacuated from Los Alamos. I'm no expert, but I think the winds weren't favorable for a prescribed burn there.

[@hannah4peace]

I live in southeast Kansas where in the spring they all burn the grazing land. I think too often. But what do you think?

[@kerrymain2235]

should I be able to see chat ? as a member

[@TheLookout1]

The chat can toggle on or off. So you probably had it in hidden mode somehow.

[@kerrymain2235]

@@TheLookout1 Ok. all new for me. Thanks for superb information. I love what I am learning. Love the story telling. Interview with Tim Chavez rocked.

[@PerpetualAbidance]

Maybe there should be a percent controlled that tells where there is active advancing fire.

[@SP_33333]

Prescribed burn = preventative maintenance, correct?

[@flashoflight8160]

How do you know for sure the replacement vegetation isn’t worse than the old one? I’m not going to blindly assume the new fuel is less flammable.

[@TheLookout1]

Right, in many geographies, invasive annual grasses can replace chaparral, increasing the potential rates of fire spread. Any controlled burn needs to consider the ecological effects.

[@rosspowers8536]

What does it mean that an area you showed was prescribed burned and a year later a wild fire destroyed all the trees?

[@matthewj9832]

What’s the one in ventura now? Auto fire?

[@TheLookout1]

I don't think it's going anywhere - headed into a golf course and toward un-built land.

[@dmoney4200]

Do you give classes or training?

[@sethboviper]

Prescribed fire in grass, yes, forest, yes. But chaparral is the problem, right? Unless thinking has changed recently

[@Myrslokstok]

Won't grass grow back soon?

[@debpatriot9557]

Frequent ,small fires . Also weed whacking.lol! ,,but fire regenerates and puts good nitrogen in the soil. It helps wildlife too in so many ways. I have stories,,but I will quit lol ! Thank you for educating people that just do not realize.

[@jmk1578]

I assume that the current LOW (?15%) containment with the Palasaides Fire does NOT bode well with the upcoming high winds anticipated for Tues-Wed, right??

[@TheLookout1]

I think they'll have it buttoned up.

[@MarcosElMalo2]

It depends on the direction of the winds. Do they blow any remaining hot spots into a fuel rich area or into a fuel deprived area? Areas that have already burned recently have less fuel to feed the fire. If the next wind event is out of the north, no worries for Pacific Palisades. The danger is that intense winds will blow from the South, letting the fire breach the containment line and spread to a fuel rich area in the direction of the valley. Also bad would a strong wind blowing from west to east that could threaten Santa Monica. Fortunately, these two scenarios are unlikely. Another Santa Ana wind event will blow from the North or Northwest. The fire has no place to go, even if the winds really kick up. It is 100% impossible that the fire will breach the southern containment line because that line is defined by the ocean. (Also, kelp forests are notoriously resistant to fire.) To the West of palisades is the burn scar from the recent Malibu fire. The Palisades fire has no place to go, as the fuels were already burnt by the Malibu fire. Hope this helps your understanding and relieves any anxiety you might have.

[@big_beak]

@@MarcosElMalo2 "Kelp forests" 👍😅

[@squerry]

Sorry, I know I’m not watching live. Do you have an estimate of how many miles of coast burned?

[@frieda3569]

Have you been able to study Australian Aboriginal fire technology ?

[@elmagodelmaryahoo]

Now Oxnard? 👉 Once state and city officials *DARE* to _“Think The Unthinkable”,_ then the probability of spontaneous combustion / spontaneous ignition in now *multiple areas simultaneously,* often Many Miles Apart, becomes increasingly remote….

[@Myrslokstok]

** use caption ** some noice by 8:00

[@marshallkohlhaas80]

You're so Flip pied LOL!!!

[@harrybaulz666]

Cant hear you over the motor!

[@MarcosElMalo2]

What?

[@WarblesOnALot]

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[@KtVogtF]

normalize your volume

[@MyWalk3296]

💞

[@esoteridactyl]

I wish these dumb talking heads on social media like the owner of twitter would truly LISTEN to people like you to understand 'the limits of firefighting' like you said.

[@hannah4peace]

I bet you've got lots more viewers recently. Hope they learn something. So much misinformation on fb.

[@greatartstudios]

Should the diversity hire head of the Los Angeles DWP be charged with involuntary manslaughter for keeping 117 million gallon reservoir above Pacific Palisades empty for a full year? This is criminal negligence! Also, The diversity hire Fire Chief of the LA Fire Department said and I quote, " We just show up at a fire and expect water to be there." This is also criminal negligence. Why does the LA Fire Department work with the DWP? 'm not a lawyer, I just play one on the internet.

[@DanielinLaTuna]

You mentioned the bladder bags near the end of your presentation. The rumor mill had it that the fire crews were so bereft of dollars that crews were reduced to using their wives’ purses and handbags. Social media disinformation, at its finest (sarcasm intended)

[@LalaBala-iq4kc]

All mighty ALLAH Azzawajalla help those people's

[@harrygilmana6126]

Common sense & colored pencils , learning

[@debpatriot9557]

I can't see my first long ,,great comment?

[@SamWilkinsonn]

YT has auto delete that deletes any comments it deems ‘controversial’. It doesn’t take much at all to get removed. Speaking about political or sciencey stuff is often removed..

[@TheLookout1]

Was it during the chat or after, as a comment?

[@debpatriot9557]

@@TheLookout1 After

[@adriennelow5345]

Do you believe that CA has mismanaged the forests and is to blame for these fires?

[@garyroberts2563]

This ain't no forest. Furthermore, the feds own the great bulk of public lands.

[@TheLookout1]

CA has mismanaged our forests, but these fires weren't burning in forests, rather in shrublands/chaparral. The type of vegetation is really important when we talk about how specific places should be managed.

[@DanielinLaTuna]

Fox News needs to show the actual fuels burning in these large fires that burn down whole communities. They show burning houses and long distance shots of mountainsides and ridges, but not the burning grasses, decorative shrubs, and chaparral in any meaningful way, then go on with their chatter about forest mismanagement. I always ask my Fox watching neighbors, “did you see any actual forest burning?” Not here in Orange County, Riverside County, San Bernardino, or L.A. Counties; they didn’t.

[@sherryanderegg7818]

@@TheLookout1 Also, many forest fires in California are in National Forests that are under federal (mis)management.

[@charitymcpherson6480]

Your title said “Now that the fire is out.” No mention of containment. That’s click bait, sir.

[@big_beak]

He explained what he meant during the video. So, not click bait.

[@charitymcpherson6480]

⁠@@big_beakIf your title says one thing and the explanation is diametrically opposite that’s click bait. Very definition

[@hookilledtobymilder]

Prescribed fire has no place in SOCAL. If you think so, you clearly don't understand our ecosystem.

[@ddanna58]

Thanks!