We Ride the SHORTEST MTB Cranks

[@Scottatnord]

Should try running the 110mm cranks, but clock them both in the same direction so both pedals are dropped 110mm below the bottom bracket.

[@LawrenceMacMacster]

Hanging gold dicks.

[@jerry_xvi]

rock hits would go crazy

[@HH_Yee]

I do have 110mm crank and already done that. It feels really scary because your weight wiggle back and forth.

[@HH_Yee]

I think if you try that, it would be much better if the pedal is fixed to the crank rather than normally attached with axles. That would make sort of Giant version of the Outlier Pendulum Pedal in terms of function I guess...

[@bertkreft9689]

you shoud fix it - ​with a certain contraption @@HH_Yee

[@p199a]

with 0mm cranks or (pegs) you could remove cassette + derailleur and lower BB by 10cm to feel full benefits

[@bertkreft9689]

yes 👍👍👍 its wild - but do you know downhill scooters ? kickboards for offroad

[@p199a]

@bertkreft9689 bro thanks for info this is first time i heard about downhill scooters

[@fireblade1986]

probably put a 26inch backwheel on a 29er or a much shorter stroke shock

[@Shiznittlebizbampop1]

​@@bertkreft9689 Yo, I have to honestly thank you. Just like the other person, I didn't know what a Downhill Scooter was. I googled it, saw the pictures, and now think I might have a problem lol The reason for it being a possible "Problem" for me, is because I've already basically destroyed my body from basically anything with wheels and I'm only 32, and now you've introduced me to something I haven't heard of/seen or ridden. So now I have to buy one lol And something I think is funny, is that I bet that I'd be nervous the first few times riding one, just because it's so different. And this is coming from someone that has 2 decades of Skateboarding experience, a little more than that with Biking(Several different styles. BMX, Touring, and Track Racing). Regular Scooters(Good ol' Razor lol), Longboards, Caster Boards/RipSticks, Mountain Boards, Rollerblades and then things that are a bit stranger. Like Free Skates, Flowboards(Look them up if you haven't heard of them. Think Skateboard, but with 14 wheels) And the one that I consider tied in weirdness with the Flowboard is something called a Freeboard(Think of a Skateboard, but with the trucks of a Longboard, so the wheels are sticking out about 3 or 4 inches on both sides. Now mix it with a Caster Board/RipStick, but they don't twist in the middle, it's just a solid wooden board. And to top off the weirdness factor. On the top of the board, where the bolts go in on a regular Skateboard, you add open-ended brackets(Best word I can think of to describe what they are) that you slip your feet into, so your feet stay attached to the board like a snowboard, but not actually locked in place since they are open-ended. I just looked it up, just look up "Freeboard explained" here on YT and you should come across a video about them.) Sorry for the long comment, but considering you've introduced me to yet another thing to totally wreck my body on/with. And already saying how messed up it already is at such a young age, I thought I should at least repay the favor and possibly tell you about a few things you might be interested in trying lolol But for real, thank you. This actually seems like something I can do with my nieces and not actually wind up getting too badly hurt on, unless I just want to go totally raw with it and hit some crazy hills that I don't know lol

[@draggonhedd]

Seems like building a party bike with no cassette, no shifters, no RD, and pegs (0mm cranks), would really be a good way to train your line choices, flow, and pump skills.

[@TheLostCo]

I agree! After spending a few weekends in Whistler with this setup and I'm amazed at how quickly I adapted to picking lines that carry more speed. -Tor

[@stephenkrause6059]

I am 5'5" (165 cm) and on 155 mm cranks and love them. Ride trail and bike park with them. Love them!

[@billydeewilliams8909]

Agreed. I also run 155 on all three of my mountain bikes, though I'm 5'11" (I have short legs).

[@CiclistaComunista]

Thanks for sharing your experience, I have the exact same height so I'll try those 155mm cranks

[@stephenkrause6059]

@@CiclistaComunista Maybe there is something else I should add. What size are you currently on? My 155 cranks were very, very expensive and for the price I would stay on 165 cranks.

[@agunlogisteam]

Im 164cm (5'4"?) The shortest and cheapest crank i use is 3x from Shimano MJ10 160mm (130mm exist! But i think that would be too far). Bought it only about 20USD. Still using 26er tho 😂

[@danielmcgowan9534]

I'm 5'7" (170 MN) and dropped down to 165mm cranks. It's a lot better.

[@billydeewilliams8909]

I bent a set of 155 Goldix cranks hopping off the top of two steps on my rigid bike just minutes after they'd been installed. They're great to try out, but you will need to replace them instantaneously.

[@mikehuang1369]

Damn I was hoping those are decent. They're one of the few budget short crank options

[@country-m1]

those 0mm cranks would be great with an electric mountain bike, then you can gain speed if needed

[@jg2wheels]

The 0mm cranks need to be wider to get the moto feel and better control.

[@GD-gj6mn]

Came here to say the same, on a dirt bike your stance is much wider providing much better control and balance.

[@Tzed250]

Put the Q factor out to nearly moto width. More stable and then you can drop your butt to the saddle and rail berms with your inside leg out front. Brrrrrrraaaaaapp!!!

[@OnlyTheReal_RPM]

True

[@OnlyTheReal_RPM]

On your bike, your stance is wider too

[@TheLostCo]

That would be sweet on the jumps! That wide stance would have you clipping pedals left and right through the rock gardens though. More testing needed! -Tor

[@maineiaclife9797]

In 70's we would put a cruiser seat on our stingrays and run tiny cranks from a little kids bike so we could get lower gearing. Also would cut excess off chopper bars so grips where in curved section, could wheelie foreever.

[@Omnis2]

A local roadie uses what looks like 100mm cranks on his bikes after he had some kind of knee injury/surgery. It's wild. He's fast AF too.

[@MyFloridaSRTcom]

I am that Roadie 😂

[@Yhigma]

3:17 someone hit the "hit the green" jump!!! Yo I been wondering about that thang

[@TheLostCo]

After driving past it for 4 years I had to finally pull over and hit it! -Tor

[@jamesluttrell2198]

I drove past it for 3 years and finally pulled up one day and asked the guy who owns it if I could hit it and didn't have a bike with me his names Danny and was a super cool guy let me borrow one of his bikes to hit it I'll never forget it

[@castortoutnu]

The 0mm one makes it into a scooter basically. Similar to Trottrx or Globe 3T

[@sticksspokesropes2342]

Love the outro fashion choice Tor🤘🤘 And thank you to the Lost Co for rebuilding the suspension for one of our needy but deserving racers!

[@ExperiencedNovice2024]

They are not cranks if they don’t crank. As others have said, these are just pegs.

[@OktaFierce]

Great stuff. Impressed how easily you rode those, looks scary to adjust that fast on such serious trail.

[@JaredHoff]

I need to go to Whistler. That place looks like so much fun.

[@LawrenceMacMacster]

Yes you do.

[@falk.r.h8963]

what a well made video. i always wondered how that would feel like

[@thomasboss4944]

How accurate was the platypuses feet comparison 😂

[@hil3007]

Love & miss videos like this!

[@_burd]

Funny how you got that phantom association of having a foot forward on the 0mm cranks because that's what your mind was so used to :)

[@carlosrobertson8265]

He said it felt like riding oppo, wrong foot forward.

[@viralbryko3955]

😂 11:01 platypus feet 👌🏿 spot on!

[@timtuckercom]

Currently riding 150-155mm cranks on my bikes. Tried a few months at 140mm and that felt just a hair too short. Seated pedaling felt OK but required an easier gearing. Something about standing pedaling just felt "off" in a way that I couldn't quite get used to. The Goldix and Cruz cranks on Aliexpress are really great for trying out different lengths. In terms of standards: Shimano spindle means only needing a single bearing size for the bottom bracket. Sram direct mount has a bit wider support for chain rings. Chainring is usually on the non-removable side for greater strength.

[@azamwaugh]

Do the Cruz cranks work on a boost mtb?

[@timtuckercom]

@@azamwaugh Presumably they'd be OK, but I usually run with a 0mm offset chainring to give more clearance for larger plus tires. Might not be 100% optimal chainline, but I haven't noticed any issues with shifting.

[@Josukegaming]

Dear god I thought that going down to 165 or 160 cranks would feel weird, this is WILD!!!! This is the most interesting crank video I've seen yet

[@mudkayak6305]

on those 0 cranks your center of gravity is too high. Engineer some cranks that are maybe 50mm and position them both straight down from the BB or hook up the Outlier Pendulum pedals and give that a go

[@TheLostCo]

Those Pendulum pedals look like they might be just what the pegs are missing! Unfortunately the didn't exist yet this summer. -Tor

[@carlosrobertson8265]

50 mm low on the inside is gonna hang up in a lot of turns.

[@Anthonyholdway]

I've been waiting for someone to do this

[@workhorsemtb7075]

You guys did a good job of getting this video in front of me. I saw the short of the zero crank then this popped up on my front page. I haven't seen one of your videos in a long time.

[@TheLostCo]

So the KZbin algorithm does work! That's good to know, haha.

[@DNDinitials]

Recently moved to 165 XO transmission cranks when I upgraded to transmission from mechanical eagle and I love em, not going back to 170 as of now.😁

[@joshmccraty7064]

If you want to increase your stability and lateral control on the 0mm cranks you should mimic an actual moto bike and increase the Q factor significantly. Feel the difference of hopping around with your feet nearly together vs 1’ apart. I’ve ridden moto down mountains with engine trouble and not running and it’s actually nice and quiet and you have plenty of control. Tor is really standing way too narrow. I bet he’d love the feel of a wider setup so please make it and do it again! 🙏🏼

[@unitimmy]

i unicycle and we do a lot of different crank lengths because of the lack of gearing options. I’ve ridden cranks as short as 45mm. i don’t think there’s much biomechanically wrong with anything longer than around 125mm, but as you go shorter the disadvantages start to get really apparent. I think there’s little advantage unless you pair them with equal bb drop changes on a bike though.

[@Thecuber2.0]

The guy in the beginning was my mountain bike coach

[@ErinHornstein]

No

[@graham8316]

17:30 is somereally good riding. Looks super fast, but slow at the same time

[@SailingFrolic]

I saw a video of you at whistler and was WAITING for this video 😂

[@MrNickHanson]

“I thought it was interesting” - for science

[@KarlMaldenarino]

I think making a mount that's significantly wider would help a lot with stability. On normal cranks your feet are apart in a fighting stance. With the 0mm your feet should probably end up about the width apart they would be on a motorcycle in order to feel stable.

[@TheLostCo]

That could be! With the current stance I was definitely catching pedals through rock gardens more than I would have liked. I never realized how much I moved my cranks to dodge rocks before this little experiment! -Tor

[@aaroncamber5080]

I have the 0mm cranks which I stole off my tngnt ski bike! Super fun in steep or fast tech as well as when hitting jumps. If it weren’t for the obvious fact that you can’t pedal I would leave them on full time. Purely only worth it when riding bike park with zero pedaling involved

[@guillaumebarrette9040]

I ride -175mm cranks. They measure 175 but run in the opposite direction. Limited and special order, ask your local bike dealer about them 😂

[@AdventureAwaits4u]

I would like to see the pendulum pedal on the short cranks and the no cranks.

[@romanpramuka2703]

In fact, in that kind of activity, you don't need any cranks and also gears. You are going up the hill by the ski lifter, and down the hill by gravity.

[@Billy-cs4cc]

Awesome guys, too cool.

[@TheLostCo]

Thanks for the comment, glad you liked it! -Tor

[@Varaxis]

Wrench flats on pedals holding on, showing their rare utility. They're almost as rare of a sight as gear indicators on shifters to me.

[@ScottBeard-k5y]

I ran 110mm on my haro bmx. BRIILL FOR CORNERING mad clearance.❤

[@macedhx]

Now, with the 0mm cranks you should remove the cassette, derailleur and you should make the pedals rigid like a moto, would give you so much more control of pitch in the air

[@JoshuaNap]

Good job on the video guys. I think cause your left foot is forwards while you jump it makes you feel like it’s forwards. Compared to moto guys that always have them next to each other. Was awesome to see you get more comfortable. Got no power though to pedal so maybe your next one could be an electric motor on it with 0 crank

[@onetime242]

You should try the 0 cranks without the derailleur and cassette too! The loss of unsprung weight and lack of pedal kickback would be great!

[@samc3769]

*"shipped from the east" very PC way of explaining that 🤣*

[@ScottBowman19]

Need to put a 20 tooth chain ring on the front for the 110s... and the zeros seem like they need to be wider

[@Emolokz]

Opposite, he needs bigger, not smaller, because he's running out of gear.

[@XCRiders]

Short cranks are the new oval chainring. New on the menu to sell us.

[@lilvegasbasc-se7en-0-duece67]

4:23 I have a Goldix, my gf loves it.

[@stampydragon2739]

Id love the 0 mm ones 8 have an e bike that doesn't require pedals but it only has a crank set mount

[@Gtwhite88]

MTN BIKE ELON 😂

[@aria8928]

I don't think the 0mm's would feel like a dirtbike tbh, on those proper form is usually hips all the way infront of your toes and both a good bit further infront of the wheel. I'd say it's almost more like an offroad scooter than anything.

[@TorreyWork]

Just found the channel. My name is Tor too! Def need some 110s!

[@realchiefyt-envtuber9903]

Those Zero cranks would be perfect for pumptrack for training

[@Emolokz]

You really need like a 36t chainring on the 110m cranks to take advantage of them.

[@CleverAccountName303]

I rode 0mm "cranks" on a full suspension ski bike. Ate shit hard on my first jump: missed the pedal, because I'm used to pedals being one forward/one back.

[@metalwheelz]

All you have to do is supplement the 0mm cranks with 250cc engine and you'll be back to getting up hills just fine.

[@TyRiggins]

Would’ve loved to see a 200mm crankset as well😂😂

[@johncarlson2258]

With the zero mil cranks, how much weight can you shave with no crank arms, chain ring, chain, even the rear cassette?⚖

[@NobodyImportant-m1x]

I really was hoping for a 10mm crank.

[@noControl556]

Do you think the "zero length cranks" or just fixed pegs would be better? Better to have the rotating pedals or just fixed at that point?

[@Ashton556]

you should run a larger front sprocket for the 170s to even it out

[@Ro_Chaos]

we need jay dalton on these things

[@zakkane2814]

Hell yeah on the merch! What are some go-to metalcore artists to check out?

[@mk3driftmotion]

Even if you have little Goldix, you can still get some.

[@BMXracer2024]

make the whole frame solid and have the bottom bracket with the suspension

[@5dayMovingAverage]

Im 5'7" and i love 155 cranks. My other bikes feels weird now and feels unnatural when I ride with them. It feels like 175 takes more effort than 155 for me.

[@fredEVOIX]

interesting for an EMTB as all they want is cadence not power and I found out pedal strikes on a 170mm bike are a bigger problem than on my muscular 120mm XC because well you plunge and sag way lower with a long travel plush setup

[@MarcinKrajewski79]

Nice Video

[@Iosis6]

A moto rider wouldn't like them either because of how high those raise you center of gravity relative to the rest of the bike. Also I would have removed the chain and maybe even the cassette and derailer just to get ride of weight you don't need. that would probably feel better.

[@TheLostCo]

Thanks for the comment! Once I got lower on the bike I was a big fan of the 0mm cranks. And I tried to remove my derailleur but it had fused to my hanger, snapping my T25 when I tried to remove it! -Tor

[@azzy9532]

I imagine the 0mm cranks have a similar feeling to skiing.

[@shinbone4200]

I use 165mm cranks on my E bike and want to try 155. Not sure 5mm will make that much difference though. I would like to know where i can get some of those 100% pants. Finding protection is way harder than it should be.

[@andresamson8859]

I switched from 165mm to 150mm crank last year on my ebike. I have nothing but great things to say about it. Less pedal strike on the uphill and technical trail, which help keeping momentum on tricky situation. Also, it's easier to spin to higher cadence, where my EP8 love to be. I've not notice any range/speed difference on the uphill. I'm 6'3'' and it doesn't feel weird, simply different, it's only 10% difference after all... not 35% like the 110mm

[@augmented2nd666]

Well, like it or not, Mountain biking borrowed (stole) small sprockets from BMX (which pushed it beyond with the 8 and 9 tooth drivers, which honestly are a terrible idea, snapped chains, mulched bearings etc) and now you've brought Mountain biking the 0mm cranks. Well, If you go back in the annuls of Flatland BMX, there was a rider who replaced his cranks with PEGS making a 6 peg beast, which made sense at the time as lots of flatlanders never really pedaled or had pedaling in their tricks, many do now like upsidedown bike pedaling, although most are on freecoasters which makes riding fakie no longer give pedal pressure like a cassette so rolling backwards doesnt require backwards pedaling. I think theres also history of a 6 peg BMXer doing the mod for grinding, which requires entirely different pegs (no knurling, strong enough for grinds) and a different BMX. Cheers for thinking up a goofy take on this odd trend. I prefer long cranks, as when I ride BMX street I can tell the difference, especially due to the 30/9 66.6 gear ratio I run for more speed but slower harder pedaling, she dont climb but she goes fast. I can feel the leverage better as I've ridden shorter cranks on BMX too. I'll be sticking with the stock cranks on my enduro too, I just dont see a benefit to short cranks unless you dont want to learn how to not pedal strike, I prefer hopping off my bike if terrain gets too tech for me to keep pedaling while climbing than to smash my pedals on rocks or whatever, sometimes I can get away with lightly coasting if I time the power stroke good but otherwise no shame in hoppin off and walkin a bit till theres a spot you can get back on again, F climbing anyways, I'm not no XC climber, I just wanna go fast downhill but dont have lift access at my local trail (nanaimo BC) Theres also lots of unlisted trails that may or maynot be for bikes that I just explore anyways, if I gotta hike a bike for half an hour so be it lol.

[@bFOURdwZEROlf]

3mm cranks next!

[@arthur1670]

11:11 where is the chain ?

[@drill_fiend1097]

Put 0mm cranks, put a mid-drive motor, and fix the pedal so it doesn't rotate. Congratulations you just got an eMoto/Surron-lite

[@Kuzgun_Kuskan]

whats the hub on the chromag bike? sounds insane

[@MrTemplarViking]

Please produce the 0mm for skibike conversions!

[@heyimamaker]

I'm obviously not a pro, but immediately hated the shorter cranks on my single speed. Again, not a pro. But I feel like not being able to move a left of right foot back or down on a turn affects your weight distribution.

[@growlith6969]

Weird? I've fot some weird for you. I was about to move to Colorado, I had already purchased a Levo and was tooling around the flat lands of the south east and was bored out of my mind and not learning anything about the bike handling I would need to keep up with my Colorado friends who were already quite good. I switched up and bought a dirt bike one size larger than a pit bike. It was a "big wheel" Yamaha TTR125. Weighs about 200 lbs and I do too. Being so small just shifting your weight from one peg to the other you can make it veer crazily to the side, bias front to back was super key, and I could finally move at a speed that was challenging, and I hammered around all the local trails, powerlines, and back roads for months, and then I moved. Heres the cool part. I was used to fat man on a little bike squishy suspension and not having to peddle, so without having to set up firmer suspension for all around peddling and riding being that it's and E, I also set up the Levo on the soft side, and discovered that I could dropper to the lowest point, sit down and rail flow trails and even some small jank because, well, thats what I was used to. When it came to big chunk the weight and softness helps even more. Following friends, they were standing in a lot of places where I was sitting, they had to slow down more for corners that I could carry more speed, and I was used to having manage bias on pegs very close together so corner bike lean became super important. Going from a 200lb bike with a 21" front tire to a 50lb bike with a 29" front tire was like going from construction boots to running shoes. Who knew, it was awesomely weird counter intuitive training and it catapulted me into being comfortable with insane speed, weight, etc in my new hard core environment.

[@jeremycunningham9005]

This dude sounds just like Alex Honnold. Wild.

[@TheLostCo]

The only difference is I fear death. -Tor

[@jeremycunningham9005]

@TheLostCo not with the way you rode those 0 mm cranks lol

[@basstrom88]

You should try -170mm cranks by just riding opposite foot forwards for every turn.

[@TheLostCo]

Would normal cranks be 0mm if we just rode with them vertical? 🤔 -Tor

[@basstrom88]

​@@TheLostCo *mind blown* 😂

[@ASRA177]

i wonder as a short guy that could pass as a kid once my helmets on if like a 145mm would be good for me lol

[@CalebCaldwell-nm8ff]

What hubs where on that bike?

[@TheLostCo]

Chromag R4 hubs! -Tor

[@Kenkello]

Next time put cranks from a mini bmx on the mtb that would be fun and also add 24‘ wheels

[@Ferrari255GTO]

This is funny asf 😂

[@benanderson4639]

I have to imagine that the moto cranks completely change cornering. Any decent moto rider will tell you that when you stand in the corner you're doing almost everything with your feet.

[@jamesf4405]

0mm cranks are also known as foot pegs! 😂😂

[@TheLostCo]

Scooter Bike!

[@bookle5829]

110mm crank makes you look like you have broken peddling animation

[@fpvunbox5148]

now u need to do mega long cranks

[@skyframe_zone]

the zero mm cranks are perfect for the ebike market

[@Maddogs2]

Nice forks

[@josedavidcastrorodriguez7929]

Bro where are those pedals from?

[@TheLostCo]

Pedalling innovations, they're pretty sweet! -Tor

[@cooperhorton1405]

Can you make a video with 230mm cranks ?

[@solobellimino2356]

When the zero go on sale😅

[@atomiccat2002]

Make some 40MM cranks :D

[@Tambetleite]

What helmet are you using?

[@TheLostCo]

Fox Rampage! Luckily I haven't had to test it out just yet. 🤞 -Tor

[@digvt]

Gold Dicks cranks now available from the web store?

[@TheLostCo]

IT'S SPELLED GOLDIX! And yes now in stock and ready to ship. We marked them up 1,000% due to popular demand! -Mike

[@syntrax-og]

I currently ride 170 cranks, but they feel slightly large for me. I just want a way to test all other sizes. Can you guys make something like that?

[@jonl1419]

Appleman bikes make a crank for this purpose, multiple places to screw in pedal to try various lengths.

[@johncarlson2258]

Do the zero mil cranks feel like you're riding a full suspension Segway?

[@TheLostCo]

This explains it perfectly, I'm like a Whistler mall cop! -Tor

[@mikehuang1369]

You probably need to retrain your muscle memory to adapt to such a large change

[@petedog9581]

Too many pedal strikes for me. 😂