Technical Guide | Learn Jin Raw f+4 Into Combo

[@Forward.4]

Thank you Mainman!

[@foreveruseless1292]

Lol, it's foward 4

[@adilmehmood1199s]

Lol, account name and dp

[@ザワールドディオブランドー]

? Forward 4 is the spelling, Foward is incorrect....

[@mrvakruha255]

@@foreveruseless1292 its forward

[@djw_tekken8490]

Tmm iw a noob there are much more better options

[@Ninjabob568]

Came back to give credit where its due, the specific term you used helped me understand that its not a forward RUN into ws4 but forward DASH into ws4. this adjustment helped me staple this combo. so thank you MainMan

[@lina31415]

Actually you can do it both ways, i.e. you can either do what TMM showed--you dash, then a deep crouch-dash, and then ws4, or you can run into instant-ish ws4. The former is easier though.

[@congobongoproductions5476]

Garden of the Tiger really fits these extreme combo videos T5DR OST goes hard af as always Keep it up TMM!

[@emogaysasuuke]

It's possible to make it even easier. Instead of using ff to go into the cd ws4, it's better to use b1 and then cancelling into a dash by pressing f once and then crouch dash into ws4. I'm pretty sure this gives enough extra frames to make it easier to land, and also gets jin closer to the opponent. This way is much easier in my opinion. I'm also fairly certain that, if you do the combo this way, it removes the need for a micro dash before the b2,1 input. Not sure about that last bit so correct if I'm wrong, but I hope this helped anyone struggling with this combo.

[@cupcakes7464]

I'm gonna try this later. If this actually works, then you're a godsend!

[@emogaysasuuke]

@@cupcakes7464 I'm glad that I could (maybe) help you.

[@Bloodhound_214]

So after the b1 only hit f once

[@emogaysasuuke]

@@Bloodhound_214 yeah, it cancels into a dash

[@GranDaddyIceBox]

I tried this a while back and I didn’t think it was faster, it was way slower for me.

[@lapunk9x9]

Thanks - I'm a Jin main now :)

[@noname_noname_]

MainNowSwe?

[@chinogambino9375]

Zen cancel can be perfectly safe but the problem is apart from closing the distance is you put yourself into a kind of a 50/50 position since your only option is to immediately block high/mid or low. To get the easier execution you put yourself under more pressure.

[@MFUnicornBey]

Exactly, not going into zen gives you a much better position. The pushback and the spacial control it gives you is truly underrated.

[@MrLifein66]

@@MFUnicornBey True, even if you perfect cancel the zen you go from a neutral position to essentially losing your turn. Is there a circumstance in which you do want to transition into zen though?

[@AMK316]

@@MrLifein66 on punish of moves with a lot of pushback that Jin can only punish with f4. It put you at plus eleven and makes it almost impossible for your opponent to retaliate unless they want to die to zen 1+2. It creates a huge 50/50 if you cancel into crouch dash for hellsweep or ff3 or other moves

[@AMK316]

@@MrLifein66 also it makes it way easier to convert the combo

[@jakovbabic5028]

Thank you mainman, was waiting for this video!

[@QKumberZ]

Lmao I read alt+f4, and I was expecting heavy memes

[@gl350cdi]

Alt+f4 is the hardest just frame launcher in the game

[@Johngle]

Raw alt+f4 > rage art is op harada pls nerf

[@mharrtj6350]

@@Johngle not even Harada can nerf it. Only Bill gates can. Email him

[@barracudaboi790]

If you learn to do this combo properly, you can alt+f4 your opponent's health-bar.

[@tabkg5802]

The even harder version is just frame plug

[@barracudaboi790]

The reason you can wait a little bit before doing the back 21 after the WS 4 is because you are supposed to do a micro side step right. It makes the more difficult combo ender of (31 forward to Zenshin / back forward 23 forward to Zenshin) 13 more consistent, especially on female characters. Got the information from this video kzbin.info/www/bejne/fZWVcqWAbrKehac . It may not work from the front axis, but works after a small step to the right.

[@simonamiot1332]

2:33 KATARINA, GET OUT OF MAINMAN'S HEAD

[@senta52]

loving the technical guides, keep it up man

[@yesno6847]

Thanks, I'm a kuma main now

[@lina31415]

What TMM showed is only the first (easier) part. The second part is what you do after the screw; he didn't show it because the wall was in the way, but what you do is 31~ZEN3, and it's pretty hard; you can feck up by not connecting the 31, or by not connecting ZEN3 at the end. The full combo is: CH f4 run, ws4, microdash, b21, 124 S!, [quck, precise, crouch-dash], 31~ZEN3. From what I know, this is the most optimal combo from CH f4 without ZEN. It does 68 dmg (if you do b21 as the ender it does 61) I believe, and It gives a clean wall splat (if you want to see how it looks like and the timings, go watch CherryBerryMango, he does this all the time).

[@thehunterwr4666]

Ty

[@SolidMGSnake]

Harada bring back the old magic 4 for Jin plzthx

[@CherryDKaya]

Or just bring back that crumble effect, it was pretty cool

[@beemoviejazz317]

No buffs for right leg.

[@foreveruseless1292]

I can understand why they nerfed it, I just think the crumple stun was really cool, maybe bring the animation back and reduce its damage

[@sapphirus217]

@@foreveruseless1292 yea is not like other charachter doesn't have the same thing...

[@yeah5874]

No

[@DaxCorsiar]

I remember the time when CH f+4 (season 2) didn't knock them back really far that even a caveman could of did the combo.

[@JaBiBLeS]

A lot of Jins do b1, forward dash after the f4 to reach the opponent easier

[@SolidSonicTH]

This is an interesting idea. Is there maybe a guide on what that looks like?

[@21kHzBANK21kHZ]

@@SolidSonicTH TMM has already made a video on it in the past.

[@Furionic696]

It would be F+4, b+1, ff (Jin explodes into a sprint from the stance), CdD, ws4, then the rest of the combo

[@JaBiBLeS]

@@SolidSonicTH this is how I learned it. kzbin.info/www/bejne/h5akgmqIa7hmY8U

[@masteryaya6500]

Thank you for this , after tryna do the double dash into wave dash for 3 hours it would never pick up high enough unless I got the timing pin perfect , but since I play on d pad , when I tried zen cancel it was so ez. Just hold forward 4 , and when u get into the animation just do the wave dash command into w4. Instantly connected the juggle. I will say it’s a lot harder to do on stick. However if ur on d pad I highly recommend doing the zen cancel . It’s a lot more consistent and easier to execute.

[@whalesharkgang6281]

0:43 when you're 35 but you can still do Jim's raw f+4 into combo

[@joulphil8695]

Jo very nice vid mainman. I was trying this combo 2 days ago and it didn't work. Now it works. Thx

[@ShuusakuSama]

my brain: got it, easy stuff my hand: ... ... ?

[@FlowingEdge-]

I promise y'all Zen cancelling into ws4 isn't hard at all it's actually much easier in my opinion than what TMM was explaining. I do it consistently from crouch dashing out of Zen. It completely eliminates the need for the initial dash into crouch dash. Just my opinion like I said. Good video either way TMM!

[@chrisedwards3640]

The issue there then is getting good enough at cancelling it to not get punished, and even then you give up your nice range 'advantage' when blocked.

[@FlowingEdge-]

@@chrisedwards3640 you hardly wanna be far away from your opponent with Jin anyway. His range is already complete trash. Unless you're a turtle Jin which is fine. But literally 15 minutes of practice whenever you play is enough to get the motion down in your muscle memory.

[@jakandem]

Pretty much. Telling people to practice "2nd hardest staple in the game" instead of the cancel is not a good advice anyway.

[@TheClawMaster_1]

I think in certain scenarios for example against a bryan (characters that are bad up close) cds cancel is good to use to close in but im no expert, I just played some ranked a minute ago and I used that against a bryan and it wasn't horrible. I think its not that bad to cancel stance but against steve I do prefer your option better.

[@bgp2k]

Thanks - I’m a Jin main now :)

[@dardenpro]

Love you for making these now

[@Mr440c]

Didn't know I was doing the second most difficult combo this whole time. I honestly feel that $100 one is more difficult.

[@adolfhipsteryolocaust3443]

Second most difficult staple

[@Mr440c]

@@adolfhipsteryolocaust3443 $100 is also a stapple. There is no universal ewhf combo that is more optimal. Even though you'll find yourself doing the new cds 1,3 combo since S3 more than half the time it will drop from ssl and is bad for some wall conversions. $100 is still the most concsistent if you have the microdash.

[@adolfhipsteryolocaust3443]

@@Mr440c ehm no

[@Mr440c]

@@adolfhipsteryolocaust3443 hey alright

[@evilDevilJin101]

Tmm, you have GOT TO SEE the wufl Tekken 7 tournament, man.

[@thejoekage9499]

would be awesome to see some reactions to bilals bryan, arslan zafina, and jdcr drag vs awais honey akuma

[@Zlatko815]

He was in the chat live a lot of the games. He said something about not being allowed to restream or watch it I think

[@jackyv626]

He already watched it

[@JohnLick96]

@@thejoekage9499 JDCR Drag vs Awais Honey Negan

[@kiweeltyler3586]

I would have like to se him explain why that one Jin main kept dropping his F+4 combos in this video here

[@flurple6921]

6:51 "in that part it might sound tricky, when i say 'micro dash' people go (ooga booga face)" me after he said micro dash: *ooga booga face*

[@FedJimSmith]

superb instruction main man.. very practical & high damage

[@oraora8214]

Try Xiaoyu 1+2 staple and see how many times in a row you can land it.

[@Sharkaholic1]

I’m a jin main and I can block anything after zen cancel. F4 without zen cancel is still better if u can do the combo so main Man U are correct the zen cancel can be mastered to make completely safe but it might take a couple tries to get used to

[@Xengard]

Yeah, you are totally safe doing the zen cancel, its like -9. Its not that hard to do it, but it is impossible to be 100% consistent. And you end up in the opponents face, so they get to mix you up

[@cobaltdeleon]

More like: "Tekken-ical Guide"

[@-Four-]

Get out.

[@arwinaziz911]

This man is to dangerous to be alive

[@barracudaboi790]

Nice pun.

[@doomdesire3460]

@@-Four- shh

[@thecrasianasian4707]

Yknow i was just practicing this yesterday lol. Thanks for the vid!

[@lskey_]

it would be better if you show the command history ,Great video^^

[@Smoothbotha21]

I’ve said that a lot too mainman don’t be readying the comments 🙄😒

[@iworry-cz5155]

The times when not even jin mains play him in tournaments

[@jacobwilbers6461]

you can also double wave dash into it but you have to stop right at the feet I used it to practice my wavedash accuracy if you go to far the ws4 will kick them to far away

[@vishnunamboothirin9206]

My favorite character jin kazama

[@GodKingIssei]

Main Man, what do you think about following options- Add mode in T7 where you can fight bosses from previous Tekkens, like a Rewind time, or have Tekken 1-2-3-4-5-6-TTT's added to Steam? Personally would love T4 and T6 in Steam most, more enjoyable and they had this Dark theme around, which made Tekken really great.

[@shahtayyib]

What I would give to fight jinpachi again

[@kusanagi4377]

Yeah but keep in mind that it has to be a close counter hit to work, it doesn't work at a far range, you'll have to get a feel to know when to go for it otherwise you'll probably lose your turn or get punished for missing the ws4.

[@MFUnicornBey]

yeah its possible up to Range 2.6 but practically speaking only below 2.20 and thats if youre really good at it.

[@kusanagi4377]

Sulaiman Kasule you mean mental alertness 2? Nah i get it down more consistently just dashing forward, and no, it's still not possible to get the ws4 at further ranges, all you get is a d2.

[@lina31415]

I'm pretty sure you can get this combo at any range, the timing just gets more strict the further away you hit the opponent.

[@kusanagi4377]

9jane i'm pretty sure is a known thing that at a certain range all you can get is a d2, even book does it.

[@lina31415]

@@kusanagi4377 I think on males it works on all ranges, it just gets very strict near the tip range, so most people go for d2. On females it only works up to a certain range, from what I remember. I'll do some testing tommorow to know for sure.

[@Rizingfz08]

Very nice trick, I learn this watching CBM.

[@YoungT413]

This guy sounds crazy. He’s making it seem like you need to know finger karate to pull off these combos. After counter hit you can stance cancel by simply pressing down+forward into a standing 4 and convert this entire combo with much simpler execution. Trust me if anyone would like to see me do it I have no problem showing you.

[@lina31415]

The entire point of this combo is to do it without the ZEN cancel.

[@YoungT413]

@@lina31415 If it’s blocked I won’t do the cancel but you can react to the counter hit. Its the best move in the game. I’m not saying I’m better then this guy but sheesh he makes it seem like only a genius can play this game .

[@lina31415]

​@@YoungT413 Are you saying that you can counter hit confirm the ZEN stance? I can't. He didn't do a great job explaining, I agree.

[@YoungT413]

@@lina31415 yea you can counter hit to zen cancel and confirm the combo. It’s much easier imo. I didn’t even know you can do it the way he explained tbh.

[@YoungT413]

@@lina31415 do F4 into zen cancel then delay the standing 4. You can even counter hit into zen cancel then b2.

[@yeah5874]

Danielmado wouldn't have lost if you posted this eariler

[@aryanrao9428]

It helps to be able to do Bryan’s big boy combo off of a counter hit ff4 because it has a similar forward dash crouch dash input

[@Slammatoro]

The one that goes into double knees?

[@aryanrao9428]

@@Slammatoro no no the one where you micro dash into a crouch dash (his predator step basically) and do a 2 1. Then you do a b3 into a very delayed ws3, a quick db2 and a very quick ff2. That micro dash into predator step seems similar to this

[@sethandrews401]

These videos are awesome keep them ip

[@50195876]

I don't know about the crouch dash being deep as said at ~5:30. I found if I try to make it deep then I've taken too long and I can't get the pickup. Much more success in doing a very quick d+f and immediate release into while standing 4. But there are probably slightly different ways to do this and Main Man's might be a little different to mine, it's just what I found to be the case.

[@goriaguilohernandez5573]

Thanks for this amazing series! Next one can you do the Bryan big boy with the ss ws3,4 4, 3 ,4 ? Keep whiffing it a lot.

[@thescatmanr1802]

are you doing ws3,4 with qcf3,4? also the trick to hitting it post bound is timing with the dash and crouch dash after B+3. You can actually take a bit from this video with the F,f (hold) to get a longer dash, it drops without it.

[@emogaysasuuke]

Depending on what part(s) of the combo you're whiffing, the combo is easier if you do a quick side step towards Bryan's right before the qcf3,4 input. Hope this helps.

[@stevefox5865]

Side step right before qcf 3,4 (ws 3,4)

[@goriaguilohernandez5573]

@@emogaysasuuke Struggling with the side step part.

[@DeathsIntent96]

@@goriaguilohernandez5573 Try to buffer the sidestep during the recovery of whatever launcher you're doing, instead of rushing to input both the sidestep and qcf after you're free to move.

[@Dan-bf1li]

1 of the hardest combo in the game, even for jin mains

[@SolidSonicTH]

Doing ZAN cancel is really hard and needs execution...so here's combo that requires even more. The worst part of this is I'm probably going to try to apply this even though I got sort of decent at the ZAN cancel...

[@Zlatko815]

Don't think F4 zen is not good, you still have options and the combo is easier. If they jab or do any slower mid your zen options can still beat them out, or you can cancel and they give up their turn or smth else. Only drawback really is that you get right next to them but it's not that bad of a situation.

[@SolidSonicTH]

@@Zlatko815 You're at -1 but it's not horrific. I'm decent at the cancel but it is definitely fiddly (although not as nutballs as this is).

[@aikotekken2605]

I didn't need to micro dash i do just a long croush dash into ws4 and b2,1 connect for me xD

[@aikotekken2605]

it works without micro dash but it's more consistent with ;)

[@bongobagginz]

Did you test vs xiaoyu, small frame characters probably require the MD

[@aikotekken2605]

@@bongobagginz i test with kazumi but not xiaoyu :/

[@lina31415]

If you get CHf4 on tip range, regardless of the opponent's gender b21 can whiff. This "micro-dash" is not very strict, but it makes the combo fully consistent, so it's definitely worth doing.

[@SparseS17]

I had a thought while watching this. It feels like an Electric but balanced to be a mid. -high execution, timing based (harder exc bc mid) -pretty fast (a bit slower bc mid) -long range -safe on block (not plus because mid) -combos

[@Mr_Expandable]

So basically -Not electric because mid

[@rek3dge115]

i really enjoyed listening to u at 0.25 speed

[@bertakabrandon]

Please do more of these!

[@rickyrichkouassi2474]

"Garden of the Tiger" TDR 😎 Thanks TMM

[@udbhavmishra8995]

Thankyou main man 😨😨😨😨😨😨😨😨😨😨😨😨😨😨😨😨😨😨😨

[@jondizz]

Thank you for this senpai

[@KatRollo]

Back in T6BR, CH f+4 you just follow up with b+2,1 after running forward. Kinda similar.

[@sidar2692]

Nice! Do Dragunov’s Russian Assault

[@toto_feather8732]

"F4 has the 2nd hardest staple in the game. The hardest staple goes to Steve..." *Bryan's UF3 wants to know your location*

[@PogoPinguin1988]

Heard TMM brag about this comment on twitch and came here to give it the upvote it deserves!

[@ramzouu-gaming4607]

I achieved thanks bro 👍👍👍

[@crankyhead1089]

Great video, i think it would be clearer to understand, if you turned on the command history. I think that would also make the explanation easier. Also the music was pretty loud in this video so it was kinda distracting.

[@JAVIACDC1]

Isnt the music a bit too loud?

[@levinforever5086]

Yeah.... Im just gonna do the zen thing

[@aurourus6894]

going into stance after f4 gives you more damage and better wall carry

[@UziGR6642]

This BASTED is reason why Jin right leg is Still injured.

[@Tsujin_FGC]

This makes me feel like I been doing the most unnecessary thing ever because I would double Wavedash into WS4 💀

[@Jovane2707]

Same here bud :/

[@striving0]

Wave dash into ff3 instead

[@nubtnii6051]

Its time to practise

[@thrakirlp4233]

Theres one more Element to Tekken that alot of players forged. Its more Important than anything you can learn. Its consistency. If you drop a combo or can't take the oppertunity even 30% of the time its gonna hurt your'e rating even if it is the best move you can make.

[@ВаильАсторский-я2в]

Sweet main man, pls do a video for Armor King's combo(dark upper in lariat) i can do this one in fourty tries

[@BlazenWrath]

Well I got the 1st half down, it’s the micro dash I can’t get.

[@Ace-tq9kr]

Me too. I just can't get it. Any success?

[@nedplatz5126]

this combo breaks my hands harder than electrics

[@StardustCrusader18]

I'll just stick to Zen cancel like always.

[@thiagopessoa4725]

So thats why they say this character is hard.

[@Ace-tq9kr]

Anyone else struggling with the micro dash into b21 any tips?

[@shutupisaac4977]

You ever figure it out??

[@Ace-tq9kr]

@@shutupisaac4977 unfortunately not

[@josemota9188]

Funny how the punching bag is allways leroy😂

[@beemoviejazz317]

All the characters were his punching bag before.

[@berkgumus4047]

this thing was why i gave up playing jin xd

[@joshpuffpufftekken]

Thanks Adrian! Please can you make a Marduk VTS cancel tutorial

[@polishjerry8662]

just spam tackle bruh

[@satchenbilan-sharp4860]

is it just me or can you just zen cancel into wave dash and then continue the combo, loads less execution

[@LuistrAmalgo]

You can do that but then if f4 is blocked you are at the predicament of having to cancel the stance or you will be CH.

[@MFUnicornBey]

I see you havent realised the power of space control yet that F4 no zen posesses.

[@Zlatko815]

@@MFUnicornBey Sure but if you want the combo more consistent which is important too, f4 zen is also good.

[@MFUnicornBey]

@@Zlatko815 True, if you expect to get a CH its good to go for it. But then its not as good as a keepout move/check. So you just gotta know when to go for which.

[@EternalSilverDragon]

I haven't seen an Akuma for a while, but I'd like a tutorial on FADC please.

[@eliktooms9924]

dude i do the micro dash and still my B21 whiff why ???????

[@Jurico_Noes]

Took me a week to learn that combo

[@FunwithUC2]

why he dont show the inputs?

[@NovaSeiken]

You're definitely not a Jin player, TheMainManSWE. lol You completely ignored the pros of going f4~ZEN and only touched the cons: in the case that you *hit* your f4~ZEN, you just put your opponent in an extremely oppressive situation where you are *+11* AND also in ZEN stance. What that means is that from there, Jin has: - At least *3 uninterruptable options* within the stance-exclusive moves, one of which is a *mid, homing, wallsplat, CH launcher* - Access to Crouch Dash moves like cd1 or *hellsweep* - Access to Dash moves - The possibility of transitioning into the highly advanced *ZEN~CDS~ZEN cancels* to wreck psychological terror and style on any human opponent who is a good Tekken player and tends to respect frames. For any guy like me who will perfectly cancel f4~ZEN consistently, there are really no risks involved in using this. The thing about f4 is that *it's desirable that you keep your opponent guessing* whether you will go into ZEN or not. If you always go for ZEN, a great opponent will detect this and consistently make you lose your turn, try to always put you in check with a df1 or to dig in some lows to make you compromise with ZEN cancel duck. On the other hand, if you never go for ZEN, you will lose opportunities to seriously oppress your opponent and he will feel comfortable/used to the spacing after every blocked regular f4. When you keep varying between f4 and f4~ZEN, the game of baiting a whiff by backdashing after a blocked f4 and whiff punishing with EWHF becomes even more effective because you put a burden on your opponent to keep guessing and acting accordingly. Completely neglecting f4~ZEN is depriving Jin from one of his most oppressive offensive tools: the *mere existence* of f4~ZEN is supposed to make the regular f4 game more effective.

[@ratso8193]

Rip WS3

[@احمدمرتضى-خ3ر]

Law's DSS combo pls

[@LoneAssassin-iy8ww]

Is it better to go for the bf23 zen 3 route or should we stick to b21?

[@callumlynn1431]

I find b1 cancel after f4 a good way of landing this combo

[@alixmj8651]

can you make a tutorial on how to do dash jabs. plz

[@jurneeholder626]

Whats song in video?

[@lordnegative3710]

is this combo still possible ? I hit the ws 4 but it doesnt launch

[@Ricard1807o]

Still works today?

[@skeletonking1154]

I just started playing jin and ive watched your 8 min video on jin but I dont know how to get good damage after a launch so ive just been opting out for like 38 dmg

[@Ace-tq9kr]

Look for combo guides on jin. The blasted salami has a good combo guide for jin.

[@bestscenes4759]

Thanks, I still don't know how to do it....

[@FGCDean]

idk what it is but i cannot do this combo on lever to save my life. On pad tho i can do it like 3 times in row easy

[@SatyamSharma-rk2id]

Next one lee's d2 pick up

[@kubex222]

tell me if i am wrong but this combo is range specific, max range is something like 2.40, it doesn't cover the full range of f+4 which is slightly above 3.0

[@yakari3311]

I cant do this man it just doesnt connectio

[@BashFisk]

Does this still work or no? I’m currently thinking it does and I’m just doing something wrong as the character I’m using to practice this isn’t bouncing high enough for me to do b12 after CD4 lol

[@Adam7180]

It still does. After the Ws4, do b2,1, the hitbox is so low that it can pick up the opponent for a combo

[@lokouba]

are you doing the micro dash before the b21?

[@SudhamsuSharmaneodonly]

if this raw f + 4 is 2nd hardest combo, what is the first hardest in the game?

[@yourmom6707]

My guess is the taunt jet upper. Widely accepted in the tekken community as a top 3 hardest combo

[@aztekwr]

Heardest combo? Steve? Jin? Go try Bryan's uf3 into qcb2,4 into b+3 cancel jab into b+3 cancel ff2

[@21kHzBANK21kHZ]

Why not show input history??

[@snakesedge581]

whats this song called anyone know?

[@JohnLick96]

This hair is giving me season 1 vibes

[@barracudaboi790]

But how? There is Leroy too.

[@CupOfWhiskey]

No way this is the second hardest combo, I can do this all day but don't ask me to try anything involving an electric lol

[@av34life]

The key word is "staple"

[@sebastianthielen9901]

Right staple u land it 5/5 in a promo Match, not pmode

[@CupOfWhiskey]

@@av34life fair enough I guess

[@FlowingEdge-]

Electrics are easy. Ff n df2 no need to even do crouch dash