Top 10 Cards That got BANNED Fastest in Magic

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@sicken2951
@sicken2951 8 ай бұрын
If i remember correctly "Skullclamp" was ban in Standard after 1 turnament when all the 8 decks from the Top8 played it.
@evilsheepmaster1744
@evilsheepmaster1744 8 ай бұрын
Not quite. It got through two tournaments (Pro Tour Kobe in Feb 2004 and Grand Prix Brussels in May 2004) before it was banned in June that year
@dark_rit
@dark_rit 8 ай бұрын
@@evilsheepmaster1744 Yeah they were really reluctant to ban cards in that era, even though their future future league KNEW skullclamp was absolutely broken after it got sent to the printers. One person in the FFL started using skullclamp after it got the infamous change to be +1/-1 after it went through multiple different versions like +1/+1 and +1/+0 IIRC before it got changed to -1 toughness and sent to print. After they played some games against the clamp deck soon enough everyone in the FFL were running decks centered around the card. They also thought "maybe people wouldn't figure out it's broken out in the hands of the playerbase" when the FFL was a few dozen people at most while the playerbase was tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of players.
@christophermccutcheon2143
@christophermccutcheon2143 8 ай бұрын
Yea but people didn't realise Skull Clamp was as busted as it is at first. It took a little while for the first guy to accidentally equip it to the wrong token, and then realised he just got a free card draw. So Skull Clamps ban was fast in terms of, like, we realised it was good _AND THEN_ it was immediately banned. It was still around for some weeks before this though. So it doesn't meet the criteria for this list
@fpjrzman
@fpjrzman 8 ай бұрын
At Regionals in 2004, there were more Skullclamps in decks than BASIC SWAMPS! That signaled to everyone a ban was coming!
@wizardsmix7961
@wizardsmix7961 8 ай бұрын
@@christophermccutcheon2143 This is just not true
@EnderPryde
@EnderPryde 8 ай бұрын
Objection: Lutri is *not* the only card to be pre-banned. In January 1994, the first banlist was created by the DCI (back before formats were even a thing). On that banlist, all cards that used the Ante mechanic were banned outright. On October 14, 1995, the Homelands expansion set was released, containing Timmerian Fiends - a card that uses the Ante mechanic. And of course, Ante was still banned (and still is to this day) In effect, Timmerian Fiend was pre-banned about 600 daya before it was released.
@seanmurphy6034
@seanmurphy6034 8 ай бұрын
Recurring Nightmare was banned on the pre-release.
@EnderPryde
@EnderPryde 8 ай бұрын
@@seanmurphy6034 checking the history of it, that is demonatrably not true. Recurring Nightmares first release was in Exodus with a release of June 1998 and wasn't added to any banlists until March 1999
@mrziiz6893
@mrziiz6893 8 ай бұрын
What the hell did Ante do, what is this forbidden knowledge, this banished keyword, I must know
@EnderPryde
@EnderPryde 8 ай бұрын
@@mrziiz6893 it's still in the Comprehensive Rules doc, but it does what it says on the tin. At the start of the game, if Ante is in effect (OFFICIALLY IT NEVER IS) each player removes the top card of their library and puts it into the Ante Zone at the start of the game (before drawing cards). The Ante Zone is a public knowledge zone like the Graveyard or Command Zone, and is in-effect a second exile zone. Cards that interact with Ante can manipulate or add additional cards to the Ante Zone. At the end of a game, whoever wins gains Ownership of all cards in the Ante Zone.
@EnderPryde
@EnderPryde 8 ай бұрын
@@mrziiz6893 why it's the forbidden keyword? Because certain state/country laws have restrictions on gambling and MTG doesn't want to deal with that, since Ante *might* fall under those gambling laws. So the rules specify that said rules must be agreed to ahead of time *and* be legal in your state/territory/country
@williamdrum9899
@williamdrum9899 8 ай бұрын
8:02 The TLDR on Lion's Eye Diamond is that without the "Activate only as an instant" you'd be able to use it on one spell in your hand before discarding your hand.
@djsedam123
@djsedam123 7 ай бұрын
Thank you 😊
@lanibentz9976
@lanibentz9976 8 ай бұрын
“Guys I can fix cascade” “Yes just like you ‘fixed werewolves’?”
@raynmanshorts9275
@raynmanshorts9275 8 ай бұрын
Don't forget all the attempts to make a "balanced" Black Lotus.
@Kosher3864
@Kosher3864 8 ай бұрын
What's broken about werewolves?
@williamdrum9899
@williamdrum9899 8 ай бұрын
​@@Kosher3864 Nothing, they're awful. Wizards can't make Cascade not broken the same way they can't make werewolves good
@dudono1744
@dudono1744 8 ай бұрын
Wouldn't "take 1 damage for each card exiled" prevent degenerate strategies ?
@williamdrum9899
@williamdrum9899 8 ай бұрын
@@dudono1744 I think that would make it unplayable
@neomegaryumk2971
@neomegaryumk2971 8 ай бұрын
Notably, the rules of Cascade were changed around the release of Tibalt's Trickery. Orginally you could Cascade into either side of the modal Double-faced cards, which meant cheating the more expansive side. And of course part of the banning of various Companions came because originally you could just cast them. They didn't have the "pay 3 to put it in your hand" requirement.
@williamdrum9899
@williamdrum9899 8 ай бұрын
But can you cast the "wrong side" of an MDFC using other tricks? Like Sunforger etc? I heard you can do it with Plot still
@dark_rit
@dark_rit 8 ай бұрын
Yeah split cards + cascade was absurd, you'd cascade into boom//bust and armageddon the board or hey blowing up a couple lands was also great.
@flaetsbnort
@flaetsbnort 8 ай бұрын
@@williamdrum9899 I don't think Sunforger works. Plot does, and I think it'll be remarkably difficult to fix
@DannyOE4
@DannyOE4 5 ай бұрын
"OMNOTH" "TEEBALT" "BED EVIL" I literally can't with you, bro
@LieutenantP1ckle
@LieutenantP1ckle 26 күн бұрын
Elaydrin
@therizzler.jizzler
@therizzler.jizzler 10 күн бұрын
zidra
@discussionsanddragons9178
@discussionsanddragons9178 8 ай бұрын
no way my mans actually just said “bed-evil”💀
@yoyoyo1999ify
@yoyoyo1999ify 8 ай бұрын
he does this all the time so people comment more. just ignore it and move on
@autobotstarscream765
@autobotstarscream765 8 ай бұрын
"Bed Evil" is what Magic players think when seeing Oko. 😏
@dennisjameson6492
@dennisjameson6492 8 ай бұрын
Yeah the amount of mispronounced names is incredible. I'm always wondering if this guy even plays magic.
@wizardsmix7961
@wizardsmix7961 8 ай бұрын
@@yoyoyo1999ify no, it’s cause he’s reading from a script that he didn’t write
@devonhalford5522
@devonhalford5522 8 ай бұрын
@@dennisjameson6492they’ve said that the narrator is a magic newbie but the writers know what they’re talking aboit
@cyclestormin
@cyclestormin 8 ай бұрын
"Bed Evil"
@chaoticklutz3633
@chaoticklutz3633 8 ай бұрын
Now I understand why Recurring Nightmare is the way it is
@Piratederp
@Piratederp 8 ай бұрын
"Bug-ler"
@CrazyRampage
@CrazyRampage 8 ай бұрын
“Eleedrine”
@benjaminself2977
@benjaminself2977 6 ай бұрын
God almighty…
@italianradio6148
@italianradio6148 8 ай бұрын
Didn't know how much I wanted DuelLogs pronouncing MtG cards until now.
@PsyrenXY
@PsyrenXY 5 ай бұрын
"Militia Bulgger" "Bed Evil"
@RasElclair
@RasElclair 3 ай бұрын
"Throne of Eladrin"
@yakov9903
@yakov9903 3 ай бұрын
I remember going to the Throne of Eldraine pre-release and looking at Oko for the first time thinking "How tf did this get through play testing?"
@SomeGuy712x
@SomeGuy712x 8 ай бұрын
(20:34) "We're not here to dunk on Wizards' design team, as fun as that is." That gave me a good laugh.
@ultratog1028
@ultratog1028 8 ай бұрын
Didnt think this list would be out of date 10 days later, but here we are.
@kanrakucheese
@kanrakucheese 8 ай бұрын
Top 10 cards that went the longest before being banned? I also want to see Top 10 Non-power 9 Cards of the 20th Century.
@dark_rit
@dark_rit 8 ай бұрын
Maybe gitaxian probe would be on that list, it took way too long for that card to be banned. In the context of standard bans though jace and stoneforge took way too long to be banned with a 2 year rotation they didn't get banned until they were set to rotate in a few months. They got banned a week after new phyrexia came out, but it was obvious the only decks would be cawblade decks unless they got banned since even for months prior cawblade was the most dominant standard deck in a long time. You could go to pro tour qualifiers and it would be all mirror matches all day if the format was standard, it was maddening.
@wizardsmix7961
@wizardsmix7961 8 ай бұрын
@@dark_rit I believe the #1 would be Violent Outburst at 13 years unbanned in modern.
@happymaster19
@happymaster19 8 ай бұрын
Summer Bloom would have to be in there.
@ChickenMcThiccken
@ChickenMcThiccken 5 ай бұрын
21st century
@Magus12000BC
@Magus12000BC 8 ай бұрын
Coming from Yu-Gi-Oh, I always wondered if the Jar cards in that game were a reference to something. I now suspect that Morphing Jar may have been a nod to Memory Jar in Magic. Their effects are awfully similar. They also came out months apart. Memory Jar being first printed in February '99 and Morphing Jar first being printed in the OCG in October of '99. I suspect that someone at Konami was a fan of Magic.
@HouYi-b6g
@HouYi-b6g 8 ай бұрын
The creator of yugioh is huge fan of tabletop games, MTG included Summoned Skull's name is directly a MTG reference in the OCG. It is called Summon Demon and the manga art is almost a 1-to-1 to an old mtg demon
@brendaneichler5244
@brendaneichler5244 8 ай бұрын
Yeah, I like to joke that Takahasi made a Magic the Gathering parody that got *way* out of hand.
@xolotltolox
@xolotltolox 8 ай бұрын
​@@brendaneichler5244 that isn't a joke, that's the truth
@Prince.Eva.Huepow
@Prince.Eva.Huepow 6 ай бұрын
You can find similarities, coincidental or not. There's an MTG Droll Lock combo that is horrible compared to the broken one in Yugioh, though I'm just stretching the similarity.
@BeaglzRok1
@BeaglzRok1 8 ай бұрын
It says something about current MtG design when 8/10 entries on this list were printed in the past five (5) years immediately following War of the Spark, with the other two being Memory Jar really only qualifying because it was released immediately after the banlist that was supposed to fix Combo Winter, and the other being Mind's Desire which isn't even considered that good anymore. Also, Modern Horizons 3 has Cranial Ram which R&D have said may warrant a ban in Pauper due to having an effect very similar to the banned cards Cranial Plating and All That Glitters. There may be a new entry to this list, even if it doesn't beat Lutri.
@murlocaggrob2192
@murlocaggrob2192 8 ай бұрын
It's also to do with a more aggressive banning strategy where WotC is more willing to ban cards than they were in the past. There's also multiple formats with individual banlists, which opens up more places a ban can happen. I'm not saying that R&D is perfect, but it's not strictly black and white.
@Razmatschannel
@Razmatschannel 8 ай бұрын
I swear he pronounces Eldraine wrong on purpose
@gally08
@gally08 7 ай бұрын
You mean Eladrine? 😂
@yanncatt
@yanncatt 7 ай бұрын
He does the wrong pronunciations on purpose in every video. I think he admitted before it's to fuel the algorithm by having us comment on it
@felipearaujodominici3057
@felipearaujodominici3057 7 ай бұрын
He mispronounced Thraben too, and a couple dozen other words too
@nathanielfischer5440
@nathanielfischer5440 5 ай бұрын
Yawgmoth's bargain was banned the fastest. The story goes that in 1999 when Urza's destiny was released. A guy made a Yawgmoth's bargain deck in extended that went off turn one, almost unstoppably, with almost 100 percent turn one going off and winning. He mailed the deck into wotc to show them, before the set was even available for tournament play. They emergency banned bargain in extended format before it was even available. I was around for it.
@CharlesLeeRay812
@CharlesLeeRay812 8 ай бұрын
Lurrus wasn't the first card banned in Vintage for power reasons. Mind Twist was banned in Vintage in 1996 for power reasons. All the fast mana made it possible to force your opponent to discard 4+ cards on Turn 1.
@UsaSatsui
@UsaSatsui 8 ай бұрын
I'm not sure that counts, since while it was the format that did become Vintage, the "no cards banned for power level" philosophy wasn't in place yet.
@fernandobanda5734
@fernandobanda5734 8 ай бұрын
That wasn't Vintage though. That was just "Magic".
@CharlesLeeRay812
@CharlesLeeRay812 8 ай бұрын
Both of you are incorrect. Type 1 then is known as Vintage today where the card was first banned. Mind Twist remained banned until 2007, well after it was renamed Vintage.
@UsaSatsui
@UsaSatsui 8 ай бұрын
@@CharlesLeeRay812 Mind Twist was unbanned in 2000. To be fair, though, that is a lot longer than I expected it to have been banned. Channel was also unbanned at the time.
@CharlesLeeRay812
@CharlesLeeRay812 8 ай бұрын
@@UsaSatsui you're right it was unbanned and moved to restricted in 2000 and 2007 it was taken off the restricted list.
@kingoberon
@kingoberon 8 ай бұрын
I think if discover only looked at the top x cards with x being the discover number it wouldn't be as bad as cascade since you could easily wiff looking at only 3 cards.
@stigmaoftherose
@stigmaoftherose 8 ай бұрын
The moment discover got teased I called that the lowest discover cost would be instant banned or break 0 cost spells just the same as cascade.
@fernandobanda5734
@fernandobanda5734 8 ай бұрын
​@@stigmaoftherose It didn't though. The lowest discover cost is Zoyowa's justice (if you target an artifact with mana value 1) but it needs you to have an artifact with mana value 1, which is almost impossible in a deck that only runs 0s and 2+s. So they did cover their tracks. Anything after that is discover 3, which is worse than mv3 cascade spells. Discover was broken but not in the obvious way. Wizards is not stupid to not know how cascade decks work.
@williamdrum9899
@williamdrum9899 8 ай бұрын
So basically the "Sunbird's Invocation" effect
@williamdrum9899
@williamdrum9899 8 ай бұрын
​@@fernandobanda5734It's literally the same mechanic except it's not a cast trigger
@fernandobanda5734
@fernandobanda5734 8 ай бұрын
@@williamdrum9899 And? They didn't print a card with a playable discover 1 o 2 so it didn't contribute to the established "Play 3s and 0s" strategy, which was what I was responding to.
@Did_No_Wrong
@Did_No_Wrong 8 ай бұрын
Winota....this card scares so many Commander players. Its so obviously busted and it can pump a ton of creatures in 1 turn since its effects applies to every single non human attacking.
@ChickenMcThiccken
@ChickenMcThiccken 5 ай бұрын
winota is my fav creature. i damn near never lost with her
@chrisgebben2043
@chrisgebben2043 8 ай бұрын
well to go further with "once upon a time" it also needed to be banned in modern because its the same deal but it replaced "Ancient Stirrings" and made it to easy to get the missing tron lands. and Lurrus (forgive me if mentioned) that vintage ban forced the rules commitee of commander to change their policies of auto banned cards the original clause was "everything banned in vintage" and Lurrus was the First one that was not bannable in commander so they had to categorizes every single type of card banned in vintage instead of that shortcut.
@filipebotelho3548
@filipebotelho3548 7 ай бұрын
How can an ENTIRE COMPANY be so stupid to repeat some mistakes like they did in Underworld Breach and Discover... Hundreds of people were involved and no one said anything like: "guys... Remember Yawgmoth's Will or Cascade?"
@Maverick7613
@Maverick7613 5 ай бұрын
"How can an ENTIRE COMPANY be so stupid to repeat some mistakes..."
@thedeadnotsleeping
@thedeadnotsleeping 8 ай бұрын
Thanks for the content on all your channels. We appreciate you.
@shinrapresident7010
@shinrapresident7010 5 ай бұрын
It's a fascinating phenomenon where no developers of any game actually play their games, whether it be cards or video games.
@premiumfruits3528
@premiumfruits3528 5 ай бұрын
Oko being printed was the card that 100% convinced me that Hasbro was directly involved with R&D and forcing them to print broken cards to sell boxes. Omnath was even further proof. That was when I lost all faith in Wizards.
@thoticcusprime9309
@thoticcusprime9309 3 ай бұрын
Shouldn't have Faith in anything
@Elcelisto
@Elcelisto 8 ай бұрын
With Companions, I entered into a MOM sealed Tournament (where they reprinted the companion) cards and the top three of that tournament were all companion cards. The winner was a Gyruda mill deck using stuff like Realmbreaker and Breech the Multiverse. Second place (and my deck) was Obosh one-shot using Valdarian Thrillseeker and backup to allow quick kills with Thrillseeker's backup ability. Lutri came 3rd which used Horobi to quickly boardwipe by copying targetted effects. After the tournament we agreed that if companion ever comes back we're not allowing companions from outside of the deck.
@omarescalante3114
@omarescalante3114 8 ай бұрын
The thing that irks me the most is lutri is a fine card. It was the RC responsibility to nor accept companion as a commander mechanic. It doesn't make sense for all reasons about deck size. But they gave in to wizards demands and allowed it. That's what really gets me it was a choice not a mistake.
@TobiGame1
@TobiGame1 8 ай бұрын
Such a wasted potential for the game.
@mrziiz6893
@mrziiz6893 8 ай бұрын
I mean that’s the best part about commander, it’s a casual format, fuck RC! As long as your friends are okay with it then let’s play em!
@mrziiz6893
@mrziiz6893 8 ай бұрын
I do have to say, compared to Konami and the banlist of standard magic, RC does a pretty good job overall. I think we should cut them a little slack, they’ve earned it.
@fernandobanda5734
@fernandobanda5734 8 ай бұрын
This video could've waited a few weeks because Cranial Ram is most likely getting pre-banned in Pauper.
@k9commander
@k9commander 8 ай бұрын
Nope. The Pauper committee wants people to test it before they ban it. There are times when players think a card is going to be busted and ruin a format, only to find out it barely makes a splash. They want to see which way it will go. They are prepared to drop the ban hammer quickly just in case.
@AFreakingLlama
@AFreakingLlama 8 ай бұрын
I don't think Cranial Ram is getting the hammer. The power of All That Glitters mainly came from the ease of throwing it on cheap evasive creatures like gingerbrute. Cranial Ram comes attached to an unevasive germ, and required extra mana to put it on somthing else. That something else also only gets a 1 toughness boost instead of the +X of ATG. Also, historically, Rakdos hasn't been a good affinity color combo.
@fernandobanda5734
@fernandobanda5734 8 ай бұрын
​@@k9commander The pre-ban is official now.
@fernandobanda5734
@fernandobanda5734 8 ай бұрын
​@@AFreakingLlamaGavin anticipated the card to be banned, that wasn't really a discussion. The question was whether they would pre-ban or let it run loose for a few weeks. Today they pre-banned it.
@k9commander
@k9commander 8 ай бұрын
@@fernandobanda5734 Yeah. I was wrong.
@hyfy-tr2jy
@hyfy-tr2jy 5 ай бұрын
I recall when Omnath hit and everyone was complaining that this card was created to do nothing more than sell more card packs as everyone knew how broken it was even before the product release. Then the fact it was banned in roughly 2 weeks further fueled the conspiracy that it was left legal just long enough to boost sales for those two weeks.
@S1L3NTDr460n
@S1L3NTDr460n 8 ай бұрын
I like how Trickery got banned because it basically turned the game into rock-paper-scissors/gambling to see who wins, and made the game unfun to play, when that is exactly what modern Yugioh has been for years lol I've actually proven this with several people: You can literally just shuffle up and draw your opening hands and just reveal them, see how many hand-traps and starter pieces each player has, and literally just determine who wins that game immediately without actually playing it out. Basically just play RPS or flip a coin at that point and cut out the card game entirely lol
@paintherisen7530
@paintherisen7530 5 ай бұрын
Note that Mind’s Desire was restricted in Vintage prior to its release date.
@dennisyoung6122
@dennisyoung6122 8 ай бұрын
Skipped a point with Memory Jar. Another problem was that it essentially milled your opponent for 7 cards since they rarely could even use what they drew. I still swear I remember it being banned earlier than this that though. I remember hearing about it being/going to be banned while at the prerelease for the set.
@randomperson5579
@randomperson5579 8 ай бұрын
these days you could just play Narset PoV. what makes Memory jar better than Wheel in Commander is it's generic mana so you're commander doesnt even have to be red, playing NPoV and WoF requires red/blue color identity. NPoV and MJ only requires Blue.
@walnutsmcgoo
@walnutsmcgoo 5 ай бұрын
Hello from the future. Cranial Ram from Modern Horizons 3 was banned in Pauper MORE THAN A WEEK IN ADVANCE OF ITS RELEASE.
@henryhughes9433
@henryhughes9433 8 ай бұрын
Me watching this video made me realize just how crazy 2019/2020 magic was… I must of pushed that time period into the darkest recesses of my mind
@williamdrum9899
@williamdrum9899 8 ай бұрын
I took a break from the game for unrelated reasons but was laughing my ass off at how dumb WotC had gotten. It's like they all got collective brainrot (which isn't far from the truth)
@TheChayxxx
@TheChayxxx 8 ай бұрын
Yeah I havent given wizards my money in years. Ive been saying for quite some time now that it would be amazing how little they would have to ban cards in standard if they A) stopped trying to print commander cards in standard sets and b) bring back modern masters.
@threethousandbees7260
@threethousandbees7260 3 ай бұрын
I've only ever played timeless and seeing so many cards that I come across regularly on this list was both frustrating and objectively hilarious
@zackwashere37
@zackwashere37 8 ай бұрын
Me when the video is 10 seconds old
@raynmanshorts9275
@raynmanshorts9275 8 ай бұрын
Video's been up longer than some of these cards were legal.
@izaiahsundquist6877
@izaiahsundquist6877 8 ай бұрын
The description of Mind's Desire says "This is a Sorcery with a Mana Cost of 4 and w Blue". Easy mistake to make with the number 2 being right above the W.
@CasualCoreK
@CasualCoreK 8 ай бұрын
Throne of Elaydrine
@boots4snootin571
@boots4snootin571 7 ай бұрын
Elaydrin!!!!!!!! Pretty sure I play as an Elaydrin paladin in dnd
@christophermccutcheon2143
@christophermccutcheon2143 8 ай бұрын
I don't even remember Geological Appraiser. I was very active at this time. Banned so quick I didn't even notice it.
@AFreakingLlama
@AFreakingLlama 8 ай бұрын
You'd probably only notice it in Pioneer and the Arena-only Explorer. Standard lacked the broken combo pieces like Eldritch Evolution and 3-mana clones, and the best thing you could hit was probably Imodane's Recruiter. For formats like Modern and older, it didn't have enough interaction to stall before it could combo off, as most of your nonlands had to be either combo pieces or split-faced cards that technically cost more than 6 due to a weird rule.
@wildcatterry17
@wildcatterry17 8 ай бұрын
Bed-evil…lol. Um I think that’s be-devil.
@autobotstarscream765
@autobotstarscream765 8 ай бұрын
It was until our host got distracted by Oko and thought "bed" like most Magic players. 😏
@barryanagrande1830
@barryanagrande1830 8 ай бұрын
"Bed-evil" "Bul-ger" "Kal-dem" I hate how much the mispronunciations hurt me 😆
@diehardeaglesfansince1994
@diehardeaglesfansince1994 5 ай бұрын
I can top that with dark souls 1 I was calling him gravel lord instead of grave lord
@michelvoortman4725
@michelvoortman4725 5 ай бұрын
Mind's Desire was legal in Extended at the time. I sometimes played a combo deck with Brain Freeze as well.
@kalebegelkamp6595
@kalebegelkamp6595 3 ай бұрын
Geological Appraiser was released on November 17th and Banned on December 4th, tying it with Omnath as being banned 17 days after release not 48 days after release.
@SeisoYabai
@SeisoYabai 5 ай бұрын
Oko is a card where on reveal I looked at the -1 and said "thats so broken, you cant print that, itll be banned immediately." Then I looked at the 4 loyalty and was even more baffled. And then I realized thats not a minus.
@dominiquejean5830
@dominiquejean5830 7 ай бұрын
If I remember correctly, Mind's Desire was restricted in Type 1 even before Scourge was released for obvious reasons.
@kennydarmawan13
@kennydarmawan13 8 ай бұрын
If Companions were there since day 1, then that won't be an issue since Yu-Gi-Oh!'s extra decks were a thing. And speaking of Tibalt's Trickery, it's MtG's Morphtronic Telefon.
@husuario2942
@husuario2942 8 ай бұрын
Yeah but it would change how the Game evolves around extra decks
@kennydarmawan13
@kennydarmawan13 8 ай бұрын
@@husuario2942 true. True. But then again, there are attractions. And those were a bust.
@fernandobanda5734
@fernandobanda5734 8 ай бұрын
Yu-Gi-Oh! didn't have an extra deck since day one, though.
@kennydarmawan13
@kennydarmawan13 8 ай бұрын
@@fernandobanda5734 true. But it was an early implementation.
@MrLeemurman
@MrLeemurman 8 ай бұрын
​@@fernandobanda5734 YuGiOh did have it day one, but it was called the "Fusion Deck", and it was mostly useless until Magical Scientist FTK and Cyberstein. But even then, the extra deck is not as broken as Companions, since it's more like starting the game with an extra card in hand.
@AAAARGHSEALS
@AAAARGHSEALS 3 ай бұрын
Great list but as a minor nitpick I think it'd be a little nicer if you used the card images from when the card was banned, it's weird to hear "this card was printed all the way back in urza's saga" and then it's a modern border VMA card or commander reprint.
@SquirrelSword
@SquirrelSword 8 ай бұрын
They should really have just giveny Otter son a different companion requirement. We Rule 0 him in as long as he's not a companion. Actually that gives me an idea: Top Rule 0s done in commander. Yeah there's no hard data there but maybe you could talk to the community on the subject.
@TheLegend-oy2sg
@TheLegend-oy2sg 3 ай бұрын
One small correction though I’m not sure how much it matters for the video, killing geological appriser wouldn’t stop discovery as the ability would go onto the stack and resolve if appriser was still on the field or not
@renatolorenzonfilho598
@renatolorenzonfilho598 Ай бұрын
I think he knows that, but it would stop the infinity because when mirror image or glaspool mimic enters they wouldnt be able to copy geological appraiser
@AnoraksMuseum-eu9ph
@AnoraksMuseum-eu9ph 8 ай бұрын
This list is already out of date 10 days later--Cranial Ram just got prebanned in Pauper 😅 Unfortunate Edit: Pauper not Modern I did something stupid on accident
@ultratog1028
@ultratog1028 8 ай бұрын
Pauper*
@foxofdiamonds2334
@foxofdiamonds2334 2 ай бұрын
“Cascade is a problematic mechanic” Meanwhile, me with my Zhulodok Commander deck.
@aegiswings
@aegiswings 8 ай бұрын
I remember losing to a memory jar deck (Megrim jar in type 2) back at FNM in 1999. Not sure if wasn’t banned yet or we didn’t realize it was.
@DarkTider
@DarkTider 8 ай бұрын
Uhm, Companion cards have always been in the command zone, NOT in the sideboard. This wasn't changed. It's just that the command zone isn't really used in most formats, but it still exists.
@ericfortin559
@ericfortin559 19 күн бұрын
Regarding Mind's Desire, Flusterstorm and Orcish Bowmasters now exist. Vexing Bauble was probably the best answer in legacy, but c'est la vie.
@Shoyro
@Shoyro 8 ай бұрын
I feel there's a few longtime MTG players that are silently grinding their teeth with pronunciation or are confused. Here's a few examples: Eldraine is practically said as "El Drain " Bedevil is usually said like "Be Devil" Kaldheim is called "Called●hi●m" Just trying to help avoid confusion with discussions.
@superbaas8822
@superbaas8822 3 ай бұрын
For anyone who wants a good example of JUST how absurd Oko and Krasis were, people were playing Noxious Grasp MAINBOARD to deal with Oko. Noxious Grasp has almost as many pro points as Questing Beast, and no, Grasp wasn't run to stop Questing Beast. Beast didn't start to become a threat until MONTHS after Oko got banned.
@RationalEgoism
@RationalEgoism 6 ай бұрын
With discover, you can still run cards with a higher cost like virtue of persistence or ones with a channel ability to survive the early game.
@tahapamuk
@tahapamuk 5 ай бұрын
Kaya the Inexorable and Lutri the Spellchaser is my favorite cards in MTG I love'em.
@Jeison-Nunes
@Jeison-Nunes 5 ай бұрын
I find it odd and weird why Lutri didn't come back as a normal creature or a legendary one to be a commander instead of a companion in Bloomburrow which has a focus on otters among rabbits, mice, etc
@melvinshine9841
@melvinshine9841 8 ай бұрын
Ah, yes, the ever present Bad Dream Kitty. If this channel ever gets an internal banlist Lurrus is definitely going to be on it. Duel/ManaLogs is probably getting sick of talking about that card. Getting banned from a format made for the stupidly busted cards that are banned everywhere else will never stop being hilarious to me.
@TJMiton
@TJMiton 7 ай бұрын
Cranial Ram was also pre banned in pauper. Skull Clamp was definitely banned faster than some of these.
@jacobblach6308
@jacobblach6308 5 ай бұрын
Are you the same guy from Himuraredx that does the Warcraft videoes? Love the content!
@Schmiduku
@Schmiduku 8 ай бұрын
“November 17th to December 4th. 48 days later” took me out of it
@mathieuaurousseau100
@mathieuaurousseau100 7 ай бұрын
I addition, Lutri is a card that's extremely easy to go infinite with, any fastblink card will give you infinite ETB
@sidneydykes5032
@sidneydykes5032 8 ай бұрын
Oko is standard was so dope I loved it. It’s banning hurt my soul
@connorleuthold7356
@connorleuthold7356 6 ай бұрын
This has not aged well considering how Cranial Ram was pretty much banned on announcement, and using that competitive vs casual format rule from earlier, Lutri by mana logs own rules, has been surpassed. Wizards wont let this man breathe.
@lukasazdanovic6477
@lukasazdanovic6477 5 ай бұрын
I love how there's an "editors note: at 16:27 cuz he mispronounced Escape to the wilds after the narrator mispronounced Eldraine, Planeswalker, Bedevil and Omnath. And thats only the first half xD
@ashemabahumat4173
@ashemabahumat4173 8 ай бұрын
Honestly, I think Cascade is cool as hell lol. It should probably be tied to an extra mana cost to arbitrarily slow it down, but just ripping cards off the top till you get a viable hit is something I vibe with
@johncontralis4658
@johncontralis4658 5 ай бұрын
Um thats not how Drannith Magistrate works in Commander. It doesn't prevent your opponents from casting it from the command zone. The zone was errataed to to be specified to be a non game zone always accessable to a player when it came to zone prevention. It's not in the hand, but it's still something that can always be played. It would need to be named as a target of a "cant be summoned" effect.
@glaucoruzzetti9630
@glaucoruzzetti9630 6 ай бұрын
Lutri would have been a fun card to play, all they had to do were "banned as a companion"
@skirk248
@skirk248 7 ай бұрын
list needs an update for the pauper preban lol. Absolute mad lads
@jamesscheurich6006
@jamesscheurich6006 8 ай бұрын
Lutri was my stamped card for that pre-release set.
@quinlanheckerson724
@quinlanheckerson724 3 ай бұрын
Stupid enough, I had several copies of Geological Appraiser before the ban, but none of the cards to play it properly. I wasn't the most online at the time, so I took the things at face value and tossed em in a box.
@Tigmas2288
@Tigmas2288 7 ай бұрын
Tibalts trickery would have been fine if it just said “counter target spell that an opponent controls” instead
@jorgelizonperea7669
@jorgelizonperea7669 8 ай бұрын
The best part of mind's desire was when you exile another one to cast
@brinkbleash
@brinkbleash 6 ай бұрын
It’s pretty interesting that a big part of this list is from the current FIRE design era.
@infernalgoblin4508
@infernalgoblin4508 8 ай бұрын
can you please start saying this words properly, youre starting to sound like ai. and like some of the way your saying this is so wrong its like youre doing it on purpose.
@KinginZeCastle
@KinginZeCastle 8 ай бұрын
This dude has crazy mispronunciations every single video. I love it.
@lyndsaypeters5981
@lyndsaypeters5981 3 ай бұрын
Desire just sounds so annoying because you have to you Shuffle your library every time it gets copied
@Altasetraa
@Altasetraa 8 ай бұрын
Almost all these cars have been released in the past few years...
@ryanchristenson1059
@ryanchristenson1059 8 ай бұрын
Companions working in commander makes actually no sense since it takes up a sideboard slot, and sideboard wish cards don’t work. Bad rules just change them to make the game better
@InterloperBob
@InterloperBob 8 ай бұрын
The pronunciation must be some sort of deliberate paper towns strategy to check if AI is stealing their content.
@7ItalianStallion
@7ItalianStallion 8 ай бұрын
Is this wedge from the mana source?
@fauxtool952
@fauxtool952 7 ай бұрын
Your time line on memory jar is off. It came after the show and tell blue package being banned. It was one of the last cards from the block to be banned
@MFeyBlizzard
@MFeyBlizzard 5 ай бұрын
Underworld Breach combo is still the best combo (outside of thassa's consultation) in cedh for every edh player watching this
@keiharris332
@keiharris332 4 ай бұрын
Memory jar is also a card from Yu-Gi-Oh which had a similar effort if I'm not mistaken
@awesauce1
@awesauce1 6 ай бұрын
Anyone know the name of the song that plays throughout the entire video?
@CSDragon
@CSDragon 8 ай бұрын
3:33 Throne of _what_ El-Ay-Dren?
@Canadianvoice
@Canadianvoice 7 ай бұрын
The way you say eldraine...
@felipearaujodominici3057
@felipearaujodominici3057 7 ай бұрын
I've played a Minds desire to storm count 8 and got all mana rocks and X spells in a cedh deck I had 😂
@TheChayxxx
@TheChayxxx 8 ай бұрын
Lol “Wizards sometimes makes mistakes”. We might have a different understanding of the word sometimes
@Mrsmmasi
@Mrsmmasi 8 ай бұрын
Here’s a friendly reminder that half of the cards on this list were meant to be played in standard together. Allow that to sink in for a second
@kinzieconrad105
@kinzieconrad105 5 ай бұрын
Yeah I started playing magic with friends and made and unbeatable green reflect deck in 2009.. the common reflect card which can be played when your opponents hits and the reflected damage from this card can not be blocked! Yes I am the one who broke magic back then!
@pointyheadYT
@pointyheadYT 7 ай бұрын
They also killed Appraiser in Historic by making it cost 5 mana.
@BladeBingham
@BladeBingham 4 ай бұрын
This guy can give SaffronOlive a run for his money in the mispronouncing words game
@cheerioVIDS
@cheerioVIDS 3 ай бұрын
I swear he said bedevil wrong on purpose
@sunrise_flare
@sunrise_flare 8 ай бұрын
Its funny that most of these were all printed in a single standard rotation, like wizards just went fucking insane for a year and printed better yawgmoths will vecause fuck it we ball lmao
@Xhadp
@Xhadp 8 ай бұрын
I’m still shocked that Tibalt’s trickery was banned that quickly since it wasn’t only for its sole power level. Honorable mention should go to Felidiar Guardian where it had to be emergency banned 10 days after its ban list it was supposed to be in. Luturi ban in EDH, yeah huge L for Wizards there. Actually they had to force it to work in EDH otherwise burning wish, and other effects like Karn creator has no effect in the format.
@decisionparalysis7856
@decisionparalysis7856 8 ай бұрын
Lutri is one of my favorite cards of all time. I am not a fan of the companion mechanic, just aside from that, he rocks.
@willwithanxbox
@willwithanxbox 8 ай бұрын
The fact he purposely mispronounce names is the reason why i don't watch these videos fully anymore. How do you get Eladrain from Eldraine
@atmilbauer
@atmilbauer 8 ай бұрын
How do you know he does it on purpose?
@JacksonDuncanDesigns
@JacksonDuncanDesigns 8 ай бұрын
@@atmilbauer He first pronounces Zirda correctly, then less than a minute later calls it “Zird-uur”, then calls it “Zidra” I was still kinda skeptical about whether he mispronounces cards on purpose until he pronounced Bedevil as “Bed-evil”
@biasdahl4737
@biasdahl4737 8 ай бұрын
Omnoth
@__-nd5qi
@__-nd5qi 8 ай бұрын
@@JacksonDuncanDesignsnot sure it could be oversight like 2:04 buit not but
@eateroftheworlds
@eateroftheworlds 7 ай бұрын
Thtast awwul!
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